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02.08.2019 1:00, ИНО

The latter went fine. A good family, strong enough. Not like mine at the time of bending.
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03.08.2019 0:27, ИНО

Yesterday's event:

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With rings, it turns out worse than without them, because when approaching the nest, the wasps perform an effective anti-photographic maneuver in the form of horizontal pendulum movements, as a result of which they fall out of the RIP zone.

12.08.2019 17:26, Hierophis

There is happiness jump.gif jump.gif jump.gif
Today I was lucky enough to get hold of a nest of vulgaris! Of course, not full-fledged, it is not known whether there is a uterus, but nevertheless, at work they moved an iron tank with earth, the earth was shaken out, and there were two nests, one Germanic, the other vulgaris, the nest Germanic completely kayuk came after the earth was shaken out of the tank and the vulgaris remained more or less intact, and I and I didn't know that there were nests in this tank, although I was looking for them in June. The upper part was almost completely assembled, and three tiers separatelyjump.gif, Only the lower tier completely crumbled. Looks when I got into the thick of the os-this is certainly something, and yet-not a single biteumnik.gif, Although there were three attempts)

Well, as usual-the ability of vespulas to navigate in a new place is just super, an hour ago I opened the fly-and already foraging!

Not that pooolisty which relocate-well sooo difficult, almost all the wasps are immediately lost, well, I have and so now the nests of nymphs live, yes yes, not some kind of dominant there, namely NYMPHS umnik.gif jump.gif

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12.08.2019 17:38, ИНО

Did not understand panov's immunity in relation to nymphs, with them that in the Nikolaev dry steppe it is absolutely shitty, right? Then congratulations, maybe Pan nymph breeding will raise their population to a normal Donetsk level lol.gifOnly, of course, in such a pipe you can not see nifiga... But here's how nymphs live in a free state:

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12.08.2019 18:17, Hierophis

Nymphs are really rare here, after all, we already have almost the Mediterranean umnik.gif jump.gifAnd in the "free state" nymphs are something all in nature and settle in nature, and not in cities, probably they are also oppressed there weep.gif

But about the ability of pooolists to move to another place - this is probably one of the mega-discoveries of Esox, because I have never seen such a thing, and I have not read anywhere, always pooolists, when a nest was disturbed/destroyed, built a new nest in place of the old one or next to it. I have often seen birds pecking at their nests, and then pooolists just finished building a nest nearby.
Yes, and about the return-the question also arises - there is some scientific data, for example - at least work with tags to accurately state that the pooolists carried away for 4 km from the nest were not stupidly confused after sitting in the dark for two days, but returned to their old place.

As for me, everything is simpler - stupid old pooolists, even after a long time sitting in a locked room and opening the nest at night, fly out of it in the morning as if they are in the old place, like a bullet, and as a result - are lost.
Smart vespulas, however, even after a couple of hours, if they find themselves in a new place-like bees that have been moved to a new place-first make a neat approximate flight, and then start foraging.

12.08.2019 20:44, Назар

Hierophis, wow, I was thinking that if you approach such a ruined nest , they will bite you, but this does not always happen.

Vulgaris ' foraging has also increased, and hornets are also flying a little more frequently. If you go into the shed, you can hear the multiple crackling of wasps in the wall-gnawing boards due to the fact that there is not enough space? Recorded this one sound.

Hornets also gnawed a little corner of the board in front of the hole, along with paint, and also covered the hole with paper a little-and what is the latter done for? Interesting.

12.08.2019 23:49, ИНО

This piece is a vestige of the paper shell that surrounds the honeycomb of all vespins, but hornets in hollows are too lazy to do it according to the canons. The shell has two functions: heat retention and protection from creatures that want to enter the nest. But only the latter does not work against all creatures, on the contrary, there are so many inquilins under the shell and in the shell by the end of the season that it's terrible. Here polists do not suffer from the shell, their larvae are hardened, they are not afraid of cold weather smile.gif

Yes, vespins try to crack their nests in tight cavities as they grow. When I was resting in a weird little house on chicken legs, they chewed on the vulgaris and finally chewed through the wall and started flying inside. And the gnawed shell of the nest can also crunch, but they always have to rebuild it to increase it. In general, as I noticed, probably 90 percent of vespula's foraging goes for building materials.

13.08.2019 7:43, Hierophis

Yes, in the morning you can feel especially well where the Power is - while the pooolists sit frozen to their combs and wait for sunlight, the vespulas are already foraging with might and main jump.gif

To the open nest of vespulas, of course, you need to know how and when to approach, and be prepared for the fact that they will bite, respectively. have an idea of the body's reaction to the poison, so that an allergy does not happen.
Vulgaris are much calmer and more peaceful than germanics, so their nest is easier to carry, and they live peacefully on the balcony, Germanics periodically bite, especially if the letterhead is located so that you find yourself on the flight.

By the way, germanics and hornets also bite more abruptly pooolistov umnik.gifHere I was recently bitten by gallikuses and dominuli in the steppe due to the fact that I hooked their nests, so the gallikuses generally gnawed and at the same time after half an hour it was not at all clear where they were biting there, almost like from a small bee that sometimes flies for clothes, the dominant bit more painful, but also after an hour everything disappeared, only the dot remained.
And if vespula bites, then for a day the bite site hurts umnik.gif

13.08.2019 7:49, Hierophis

By the way, these very peaks of the effolution of social wasps, polybia, build a paper shell, like vespula and hornets, well, maybe they are peaks, I do not argue, especially since they live in the USA, which is not surprising, but in our region vepuls on the top of the effolution umnik.gif

13.08.2019 15:34, ИНО

Why not Vespas? In general, by what sign does the pan" vershinnost " determine?

13.08.2019 18:26, Hierophis

To have the title of "peak of effolution", a species / genus of social wasps must meet the following criteria: dominance in the number of individuals, ecological plasticity, a developed social structure, and polymorphism.
Vespulas kill all our social wasps. Polysts can probably compete with vespulas in terms of the number of nests, but hardly in terms of the total number of individuals, as polysts are also quite ecoplastic, but they have a complete seam with the level of social organization. weep.gif

By the way, there is one more point - polistas are terribly afraid of smoke, unlike vespulas, and the reason for this is obvious, and probably the beginnings of "swarm behavior"( in quotation marks-because real swarm behavior is a way of dividing nests umnik.gif), so the beginnings of this behavior also clearly appeared as a result of suffering from fires when nesting on the ground. then the pooolists can move to the surviving blade of grass or stone and lay a new nest, but this will still be of little use, the time has passed. Vespulas don't care about steppe and forest fires, they live mostly underground in nature.
So, it is enough to let a little haze on the nest, and the pooolists leave it with terrible speed, so that even recently released wasps jump off the honeycomb, and then you can safely do anything with the nest.

And by the way, yes, thanks to this slowness of the pooolists, I have repeatedly managed to knock them down even when approaching the hands or face, but the vespula flies like a bullet, and we can only hope for luck that it will fly into clothes or hairumnik.gif, This is only if you do not plan anything evil you walk on the steppe and hit the nest unnoticed, then polisty can pinch taking advantage of the lack of readiness to repel their attack.

14.08.2019 1:18, ИНО

But all these titles are in the head of Pan Stepovoi, and evolution has no peaks. This, if I may say so, is a term I use exclusively to make you laugh with panlol.gif, If you judge by the number of individuals, then the "pinnacle of evolution" is viruses lol.gif

14.08.2019 18:03, Hierophis

And yet, Vespula is the Power and pinnacle of effolution! jump.gif jump.gif jump.gif

Polistov can only be compared with Eumenins, but there, in terms of sociality, polistov will be on top weep.gif

14.08.2019 18:10, ИНО

15.08.2019 17:35, Hierophis

Today I was chewed by vulgaris at work, when I moved the nest, pieces of honeycomb flew off, I had to pick them up and put them in a box, I did so, but I didn't put one piece, I forgot, although I knew about it. And here sednya I walk there, and I feel, under trousers cheto climbs)) In general, I stepped just on that piece and there the workers were already hatched and strengthened.. I took off 7 oss and got bitten by two. What is the advancement of vespulas - if they took up biting, and sat on clothes, then they climb and bite, bite and climb, not like cowardly pooolists-they bit and immediately drape. Probably vespuli behave like this, betting on wool, for which they take clothes. Here, by the way, my theory umnik.gifabout increasing the cowardice of wasps with a decrease in their social organization affects. Vespula workers fight the aggressor without fear, giving their lives for the sake of a biteumnik.gif, so that initially attacking the pants, a couple of wasps got under them and bit the ankles) And the poolists, having stumbled on clothes, would immediately fly away.
Indeed, the bite of vespula is much less painful than that of polistov, but then))) There was almost no swelling, but it still hurts and stings, and then it will itch for a couple of days.

15.08.2019 18:01, ИНО

And how many mosquitoes, woodlice and midges give up their lives for the sake of a bite-that's where it is, the pinnacle of sociality lol.gif

It turns out that pan will be more sensitive to the stings of vespulae than I am, I almost always passed by the evening, at most-the next morning. And from the sheet in general, it takes about 15 minutes, but what 15 minutes it is!

15.08.2019 18:14, ИНО

And I had a miracle: a family of hornets on the loggia came to life! True, foraging is weak, as in June. Here polistov such feints do not happen: in the season, the number of families always grows until its collapse, if no one touches the nest.

15.08.2019 19:04, Hierophis

In this case, pooolists would have 0 effective stings out of n attempts! They simply wouldn't have thought to crawl up the leg of their pants, and if they tried to fly up to their face, they would have been knocked down, given their speed weep.gif
And yes, it is overcast today, however. In such weather pooolisty at all it is not known, will take off whether )))

15.08.2019 19:08, ИНО

They take off at +16 in the dark and sting at -2.

15.08.2019 19:19, Hierophis

15.08.2019 19:24, ИНО

This is how such gentlemen who do not remember their own words an hour ago, climb to communicate with normal people?

15.08.2019 19:38, Hierophis

Tinplate) In general, "normal" people do not attribute normality to themselves, like many other outstanding qualities lol.gif
And also people, firstly, usually understand that the word "will" does not mean a fait accompli in this case, and secondly, they do not attribute phantom symptoms like scratching the injury site to the factors of poison action. Scratching may occur after a normal scratch or bruise has healed, or it may notweep.gif.

15.08.2019 20:09, ИНО

Clearly, the drain is counted. But it's still interesting: what do normal people attribute to themselves in Panov's opinion? An abnormality?

That's what, and just itch wasp settlements normally should not even be on the first day, let alone the third. So congratulations: Pan has an allergy to the object of the big and pure love of his life, albeit in a mild form. While.

15.08.2019 20:17, Hierophis

Yeah, it's a tough case weep.gif

And normal people don't attribute anything to themselves. Ascribe to themselves "normality" usually just at the reception of acc. narrow specialists weep.gif umnik.gif

15.08.2019 20:21, ИНО

So, Pan thinks that normal people usually don't know they're normal? eek.gif And how does the pan know so much about resp, narrow specialists and their patients?

15.08.2019 20:46, Hierophis

I don't know what a certain pan thinks there, but I believe that judgments about the normality and abnormality of an individual should be taken accordingly. narrow specialists, about whom, as well as about the peculiarities of some of their patients, I know from acc. lectures and popular literature jump.gif

15.08.2019 21:06, ИНО

Where did Pan get such lectures? Well, if he is so enlightened on this subject, then what diagnosis will he make for himself based on forgetting his own words from an hour ago and other disturbing symptoms?

15.08.2019 21:17, Hierophis

15.08.2019 21:22, ИНО

Well, how long has it been since they last passed judgment on pan?
Although I think that with such an amazing awareness of this issue, the pan will already have a head start for any graduate " acc. to a narrow specialist" will give. After all, the absence of a crust does not prevent him from imagining himself cooler than prof. entomologists. Except that the abdomen with the back is sometimes confused lol.gif

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15.08.2019 21:31, Hierophis

15.08.2019 21:35, ИНО

Well, for example, someone who writes a dissertation on the relevant topic or has already written it. Well, or at least finished the biofactory department, and even if it is prompted in the middle of the night to look for the back of the insect's abdomen, it will not think to look for it lol.gif

So what's the answer to my first question from the previous post?

15.08.2019 22:18, Hierophis

So, especially for narcissistic very gifted distinctors of bellies from backs(although they never managed to understand where the dependence of identification on the length of the abdomen is laid in the self-taught key), I explain:

a professional is someone who gets paid for their activities umnik.gif
Corresponding prof. an entomologist is one who is paid for entomological activities. For what kind of work our smart guy is paid money - it is not known, respectively. his prof. entomological activity is a big question.

And everyone can finish a fax and write a dissertation, especially if they are lucky(or unlucky, then maybe they should throw it out?) get a Ukrainian-style diplomaweep.gif, although you still need to defend your dissertation, and be able to sit down on a budget seat, and only then engage in narcissism, waving your ESV in public places lol.gif

15.08.2019 22:38, ИНО

Well, let's assume that Pan Stepova is waving all sorts of things around, periodically threatening to shut up all post-Soviet entomologists with his mega-discoveries and mocking them. I just answered the question he asked me.

15.08.2019 23:43, Hierophis

16.08.2019 0:02, Hierophis

And by the way, what kind of scholarship is there already?? How many years has it been?? )) The term of study in a budget postgraduate program is 3 years, then forward to pasture weep.gif

17.08.2019 2:47, ИНО

How many years have passed since what? Since the creation of the world? Or since the beginning of the Ukrainian military aggression against Donbass?

Here is about the publication of Panov's works - this is already interesting. What author's name should I enter to find them in a number of international publications: Hierofis, Efarilis or Roman Stepova? lol.gif

19.08.2019 21:44, Hierophis

By the way, on the weekend pooolisty strongly froze to honeycombs, and all that was overcast and the temperature is approx. +23, and vulgaris all this time-there/here there/"jump.gifBut the polistovs still have larvae.
This is if suddenly it will be overcast for a long time, then what will happen to the larvae, they will probably die of hunger weep.gif

20.08.2019 14:03, Shimmermare

You've been discussing polyster bites. vespula, what about Dolichovespula? Living in central Russia, I saw a vespul nest 3 times in my life (two in a cavity inside a log and one in a closet in the attic, all vulgaris), but there are enough vespulas: media, saxonica, sylvestris. By some misunderstanding, I've never been stung by them. They're probably a little tougher than Vespulae, since their colony size is a couple of times smaller?

I also don't understand why you think Polista's bite is sick. For me, so the lightest of all stinging: after 5 minutes and you will not remember that someone stung.

20.08.2019 14:22, Hierophis

Personally, I have never seen a dolichovespula in a live form, not even to be bitten by it) In our region, if they exist, they are somewhere in the thick of landings or further north.
But maybe our Internet expert Ezox will now simulate a dolichovespula bite in our mind and tell us everything)))

According to my feelings, it is the very moment of the bite that is the most painful of course in a hornet, then there are polists, when stung by which(or rather only by nymphs and dominuls) I have an instant severe pain that also passes mometally, and only then vespula the pain from stinging which sometimes, again, sometimes feels less than when a bee sting that has flown under your clothes, but then it starts burning and a long burning pain.
By the way, such a weak soreness at the time of the bite also has its strategic advantage, since the nest destroyer will not notice the bites at first, and then in five minutes yad will begin to act, and the animal will no longer be up to the nest))

By the way, after the hornet sting, everything went the same way for me very quickly, although the stings were in the head and almost under the eye, but after half an hour it was already difficult to understand where the bite was, the swelling resolved and the pain passed. I read that the" pain index " of a hornet is lower than that of vespula and that of polists is higher than all these, but IMHO the one who compiled this index stung himself with hornets under anesthesia)))

20.08.2019 18:31, ИНО

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