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20.08.2019 19:26, Hierophis

These ratings are mostly found on the Internet, the expert can get acquainted at least here, if he is not afraid of Wikipedia scripts weep.gif
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Шкала_силы_ужалений_Шмидта

The general effect on the poison pooolistov I felt before, but now somehow no longer felt, although when the nymph bitten in the spring, cheto was but barely perceptible, maybe it's just from fear of the NYMPH )))


And dolichovespula is considered quite weak in this rating.

20.08.2019 19:30, Hierophis

Although not, there is only one kind of dolichovespul weaker, the rest united with vespulami weep.gif
And about pompilid, maaalenkaya pompilida chernenkaya bit me recently, got under my T-shirt, so I must say, it was so painful as if three dominuli were bitten at once, but no more reaction. So if 5cm cryptoheilus ushkvarit, then you can probably jump to the moon, I give the idea to Rogozin for nothing - how to get around Mask with the conquest of the solar system lol.gif

21.08.2019 3:17, ИНО

Why bother an important person if you can jump in yourself? It is only necessary to save a spacesuit on a tryzubokelepatelny machine, and if the breathing mixture is with the participation of steppe grasses and mushrooms, then a meeting with an alien mind is guaranteed.

Well, I read this delusional scale (by the way, on the German language exam, I translated a note about this-Schmit himself) - complete crap. Sweaty bees alone are worth a lot! lol.gif All polistin in one pile raked, and they are very different., including the pain of stinging. In Rusina's doctor's office, it is interesting to read about some tropics, and I suspect that cryptocheilus is resting there as well. But since this Schmit is an American, it is not a fact that he was stung by European polistami at all, North American species will probably be more dominant in size and soreness.

25.08.2019 22:07, ИНО

Vo, polistov what a life force: with the wings completely bitten off by a hornet, she still managed to return to the nest! She must have walked. Vespulas can't do that.

25.08.2019 22:07, ИНО

In polistov what a life force: with the wings completely bitten off by a hornet, she still managed to return to the nest. She must have walked. Vespulas can't do that.

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25.08.2019 23:30, Hierophis

Well, if okodemik kept a candle and when the hornet gnawed the wing and when polista returned to the nest, then yes, cool, but if not, then you can just as well say that this polista was abducted by aliens, took the wing for analysis, and then she crawled out of space and returned to the nest weep.gif

25.08.2019 23:40, ИНО

A candle - not a candle, but the chronology of the destruction of the nest by a hornet and the subsequent return of polistov to it is traced umnik.gifAnd the injury itself is very characteristic, I don't know anyone, except a hornet, who could do such a thing with a polist. A person with scissors is not considered smile.gif

26.08.2019 11:34, AVA

A candle - not a candle, but the chronology of the destruction of the nest by a hornet and the subsequent return of polistov to it is traced umnik.gifAnd the injury itself is very characteristic, I don't know anyone, except a hornet, who could do such a thing with a polist. A person with scissors is not considered smile.gif

Maybe a hornet, too. Although there are doubts, the hornets have a different sequence of dismemberment of the opponent.
But polisty themselves often bicker like wolves, breaking off each other not only wings, but also arms and legs or whiskers. wink.gif

26.08.2019 12:21, AVA

  
Dolichovespul I also did not see, there are no them in any "thick of landings". I think that in our climate they are simply uncompetitive, but to the north their short family life gives them a significant head start over the vespulae and polistae in the years of "no summer".

It's strange that dolichovespulae don't come into view. After all, the main species are found in southern Europe, the Caucasus, Transcaucasia, Turkey and Central Asia. Well, Saxonica and sylvestris are also background species in Ukraine. So, seek and find.
As for the sensations from stings (I don't know about bites - I didn't have a chance somehow), I myself provoked different vespids for comparison. Indeed, polysts turned out to be the most painful, the rest do not hold out, even hornets. I usually forget about the injection after about 20 minutes without any consequences. But for my wife, the injection of dolichovespul causes the discharge of the wound, which then itches for another 3 days. So I guess it's a matter of individual sensitivity.
P.S. The reference to Rusina is not entirely correct. In the American tropics, some local polybias (s.lat.) are not only aggressive, but also painful to prick. Not to mention some bruises that even leave a sting in the wound, like bees.

26.08.2019 21:14, ИНО

What is wrong with Rusina? After all, here we are engaged in a "scientific" argument about who stings more steeply: polistines or vespines. The Russian version of Polistina is steeper. Although it is possible that vespa mandarinia takes the amount of poison and the depth of injection confused.gif

Unfortunately, in the Donetsk region doloikhovespyl did not fall not only in my field of vision, but also in the field of view of other entomologists. But these are not the insects that easily escape attention. Either they are invisible or they are not...

I've never seen polists bite off anything to each other. I doubt very much that their mandibles are strong enough for this, they are more designed for soft-bodied victims. Except to nibble on one spot for a few minutes - but that will give. Here you can pinch your opponent to death. And the hornet, attacking the nest of polistov in order to get brood, acts exactly like this (this year I observed): grabs adult wasps one by one by the antennae, legs or wings and throws them off the nest. At the same time, it bites with all its might, so that the crippled wasps do not immediately return to the nest or do not return at all. Bitten off like scissors body parts - his handwriting.

26.08.2019 21:23, Hierophis

By the way, standing on the balcony at 6 am, and watching not only intensely foraging vulgaris, but also mosquitoes curling around their nests, you clearly realize the steepness of vespulae-yes, thermoregulation umnik.gif
Vespules can not only forage even at +15, but also maintain the optimal temperature for larval development in the nest, which is what poolistam - like Rogozin to the Moon jump.gif

26.08.2019 22:27, ИНО

And what do mosquitoes have to do with thermoregulation? They also curl and bite perfectly at +15. Rather, they are attracted to the jet of carbon dioxide that blows out of the tap.

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27.08.2019 14:25, Hierophis

I don't even know what to call it, professional, wonderful and just cool!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NxOYkw2z54
And the guy obviously took out the nest in order to move it, probably put a box with the nest there later, wait until the workers come together,and take the nest home.

I'm also going to make such a spacesuit this winter, so that you can carefully move the vespula nests at any time of the year jump.gif
The nest is certainly larger than ours, but not at times, I found 10-tiered germanic nests here, but of course including the royal ones.

And in this video, the defensive power of Vespul is just perfectly visible, without a spacesuit-they will pinch nafig umnik.gifHere, I don't care what kind of pain there will be when bitten by one wasp)))

27.08.2019 17:28, ИНО

Well, Pan gives! This is New Zealandumnik.gif, which means that at the hands of a professional guy, these sedges are waiting for relocation not to a new place, but immediately to the next world, and at the expense of taxpayers ' money. And no one's going anywhere. By the way, here is the key advantage of the raproductive strategy of polistov over vespula: the first would fly away with the queen and the next day the nest would be rebuilt, so trying to overcome them in this way would be pointless. A" spacesuit " such Pan Stepova is very unlikely to do, except that being a tailor and having access to special material on which the claws of wasps do not hold, and which the stingers do not pierce them. Not, of course, something outwardly similar he can manage to give birth from an excess of free time, but it will already be a cargo cult.

In America, vespin's underground nests are easier, faster, and more technologically advanced: they suck everyone in with a special suction cup, but they dig afterward, so a "spacesuit" is optional. Here, the authorities also took care of us with a fool: they gave the SES a task to destroy hornet families around the city. But there they act much dumber and more primitive: they sprayed conditional dichlorvos into the tap, plugged it and forgot, so that the unfortunate os still has at least some chance.

27.08.2019 18:18, Hierophis

There, in clear English, it is written why he got this nest, and even without English, it is clear that they will not get the nest with such care in order to destroy it. Eh, "science" weep.gif

31.08.2019 0:25, ИНО

Well, he'll study the parasites first, and then kill them. It will study the behavior, and then kill it. This is their law. German studies in New Zealand is a quarantine type. just like that, no one will allow it to be moved somewhere and open a letok on all four sides there. That is, the fate of that family is deplorable.

And I found this nest, without a stalk:

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Polisty we turn into polybium smile.gif

And here's another Oska caught a curious appearance:

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I wonder if Panova meganaturalizdnosti enough to correctly determine?

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31.08.2019 0:36, Hierophis

Well, now, according to the laws of N. Z., he is an expert weep.gif
And I don't care if a person writes that he didn't take them to kill them. Of course, you can even ask him what and how, but why? Here is one participant, and from the opposite camp to me, a good phrase about Esox- "this person hears only himself", primitive of course, but the essence is captured correctly umnik.gif

31.08.2019 0:41, ИНО

If he is going to release the future founders at the end of his experiments, then it's time to call the police. But, I think, this is only in the dreams of Pan Stepovoi.

03.09.2019 9:44, AVA

  
And here's another Oska caught a curious appearance

And what exactly is the "curious appearance"? In my opinion, this is quite common... rolleyes.gif

03.09.2019 18:13, ИНО

Very light, as for our nymphs, platbands and antennae.

03.09.2019 19:34, AVA

Very light, as for our nymphs, platbands and antennae.

It is clear, although this is not uncommon for nymphs near Moscow. And their platbands generally "play" from almost completely black to almost completely yellow. And among the population of the same nest. And last week for the first time I met a nymph with expanded yellow stripes on the sides of the pronotum. Well, almost a gallicus (which, unfortunately, we don't have).
So I try not to take these signs separately into account at all.
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07.09.2019 13:16, ИНО

A hundred of my hornets and vulgaris on the loggia have died out, rarely-rarely when a single forager flies by. The Vespins are very bad indeed.

07.09.2019 15:51, Shimmermare

Natural installation "Moscow 2020". Nest of Dolichovespula sp., emnip, this year. I wonder if the polists are involved or as usual?
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Polysters are very weak this year. 30 cells each in September. Summers are cold and wet.
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And these dolichovespuls generally died after the first workers appeared. Like saxonica, if you look at the nest. Or not. But definitely not media. Not an expert.
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But there are unusually many ordinary vespulae. During the day, about 10 females looking for a place to spend the winter were pestered. And for the first time in my life I saw a working individual Vespula rufa.
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08.09.2019 13:49, ИНО

Folkus may be involved.

11.09.2019 13:40, Tivanik

I've been watching a Vespula germanica nest in a mouse hole for several weeks. Usually, wasps drag lumps of earth out of their burrows. Today I saw two wasps dragging white "ellipsoids" (larvae?)out of their burrows. about 1 cm long. The second wasp managed to select and take a picture of this ellipsoid (the quality is poor-a photo on the phone). What is it and why do the wasps carry them?

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This post was edited by Tivanik - 11.09.2019 13: 41

11.09.2019 15:16, Hierophis

These are larvae of the same wasps. Wasps take out their larvae before the end of the life of their family, which means that in your area the life cycles of vespula nests have come to an end. In our area, this usually happens in early November.
By the way, a very good feature characteristic of wasps that are at the top of evolution is to adjust their life cycle to the duration of the optimal temperature period.

But why they do this is not clear. In vespula nests, queens never overwinter, unlike polist nests, where the queens sometimes settle down for the winter and even sometimes use the nest again, so there it makes sense to throw out the larvae.
But nevertheless, the fact is that in a healthy vespula nest, by the end of the cycle, almost perfectly empty honeycombs remain, nothing rots and there are not very many parasites.
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11.09.2019 15:30, Tivanik

Thanks for the information. And these empty nests are then somehow used by wasps?

11.09.2019 16:18, Hierophis

No.
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11.09.2019 20:04, ИНО

In Nikolaev uterus polistov spend the winter in nests? Are you sure Pan saw this? As far as I know, on the South Coast only there is such a thing within the territory of the former Ukraine, and only in nymphs (Carcharot wrote). I have only once observed a female dominula wintering in the gap between the nest and the substrate on which it was built, but that does not count.

Everything, my family vulgaris on the loggia finally ordered to live for a long time...

12.09.2019 20:48, Hierophis

Ty.. Not well, not in the cells of course pooolisty sit in nests on plants, but nevertheless, somehow at the factory they did an audit of the shields on cranes in the winter, and the electricians tore off the old nests, so there were enough pooolists crowding on the back side of the nests, and this is not uncommon in pipes, so let Carcharot he writes, and we have enough of our own... Although, maybe they are also refugees from Krymnash, they just escaped in advance weep.gif

13.09.2019 10:07, ИНО

On the reverse side , it doesn't count. In the Crimea, nymphs spend the winter right on the cells and store honey for this purpose, as do many tropical species. And refugees could be only on the contrary, from Nikolayevshchina to the Crimea, but who will let them go?..

19.09.2019 1:53, ИНО

Wow, I was dominated today, planted for the winter under the bark of a tree, smashed! Not only was the finger swollen, but the whole arm ached and even the heart, like, started to give out. Fortunately, after 15 minutes, the pain, as usual, passed, but the swelling from the finger subsided only after an hour. How many polisty stung me, and this was not yet. But.on the other hand, I have never been stung by a dominula at the beginning of hibernation, maybe they store up poison for the winter, like vipers? So now, yes, I believe that Schmit that polists can make a very powerful application, vespula was not even close.

19.09.2019 19:08, Назар

It's been getting colder for a couple of days now, but both my nests are still alive, and today I saw hornets and vulgaris foraging.

19.09.2019 20:18, ИНО

And I have all the" self-born " on the loggia bent. But polysts from the interspecific family contained in the room, recently began to lay new cells, although in theory, all fertilized.

20.09.2019 11:39, Tivanik

I've been watching a Vespula germanica nest in a mouse hole for several weeks. Usually, wasps drag lumps of earth out of their burrows. Today I saw two wasps dragging white "ellipsoids" (larvae?)out of their burrows. about 1 cm long. The second wasp managed to select and take a picture of this ellipsoid (the quality is poor-a photo on the phone). What is it and why do the wasps carry them?


Tonight the temperature was approaching zero. It's now +8, clear-wasps are flying from nest to nest.
Near the nest crawls here is such a wasp. Is this germanic womb?

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This post was edited by Tivanik - 20.09.2019 12: 15

20.09.2019 14:40, AVA

Tonight the temperature was approaching zero. It's now +8, clear-wasps are flying from nest to nest.
Near the nest crawls here is such a wasp. Is this germanic womb?

No, this is her "folder". tongue.gif
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20.09.2019 14:57, Tivanik

No, this is her "folder". tongue.gif


I thought that the males were smaller than the workers, and this wasp, like, was bigger

20.09.2019 15:10, Hierophis

Males are bred in male cells that are larger, respectively. and the males are bigger, it's just that some worker wasps are also displayed in these cells, and they are also very large)
The uterus is thicker and in general they are different, as it comes across-it will immediately be clear that this is a uterus)
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20.09.2019 15:13, Tivanik

And how do males differ from working wasps? Longer and more curved antennae?

This post was edited by Tivanik - 20.09.2019 15: 14

20.09.2019 15:26, Hierophis

If you do not take it in your hand, then yes, the antennae are much longer and the furiness in males is increased, but if you take it in your hand, they do not have a sting) This one that's sitting on my arm has hatched unsuccessfully, its wings are twirling, it probably can't fly..
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