Wasp nests

You're lucky
It still seems to me that two different queens build nests, you just don't see them together)
Well, if the goal is to save the nest, then it is better not to touch it, because if you move it now, then probably the queens will run away, if with the workers, then there will be a big loss of workers due to possible incomplete reorientation. But in theory, if you really move it with the workers, at night.

Nor can it still happen that the uterus will not live up to full-fledged nests..
Is it a Saxon wasp or a forest wasp?

You're lucky
It still seems to me that two different queens build nests, you just don't see them together)
Well, if the goal is to save the nest, then it is better not to touch it, because if you move it now, then probably the queens will run away, if with the workers, then there will be a big loss of workers due to possible incomplete reorientation. But in theory, if you really move it with the workers, at night.

Nor can it still happen that the uterus will not live up to full-fledged nests..
Is it a Saxon wasp or a forest wasp?

Yes, the goal is to preserve the nests. Then I'd better leave it as it is, I warned my relatives not to touch it, I'm only afraid that one of the guests will not hit it, but this is unlikely. The uterus looks more like a Saxon one than a forest one (I compared it with the photo I found on the Internet). And how long does it take to develop working oss?

oh, and we have this year after the snowless frosts something queens almost do not catch your eye, no, even polistov. Usually at this time, the German wasp queen seekers fly everywhere.

I kept German and common wasps, and their first workers appear about 17-25 days after the nest is laid, unlike honey bees, everything depends on the air temperature.

In our region, by the way, there are no such open vespula nests, very rarely a nest is made in a corner, but either in the ground or between walls.

And the size of these nests you have not very large become at the maximum development? Is the wire not pulled down?

Our queen wasps fly a little, I also saw one hornet, but there are more bumblebees, although they are probably just more noticeable, since they fly low above the ground.
Almost every year I find wasp nests in various places near my house, almost always in shelters (in the attic of a barn, under a slate, in a wooden wall), sometimes also in the ground, but those open nests that I saw were all small and abandoned.
At the expense of the maximum size, so I went to the attic where I wanted to move the os to look at the old nest, it's quite large, about the size of a three-liter jar near the base, so the wire will have to be strengthened, maybe I'll add a wooden bar on top for strength. In addition, in that attic I found, to my delight, a new nest, which looks like it has just been started, just next to the big old one, now I think, can the old one be removed, or will it not interfere? I wanted to completely clean out the old nests from there, or is it better to leave them (maybe they attract new oss)?

How interesting it is for you there!
Can you take pictures of what the old nest looks like? I wonder if there are any differences with German or ordinary languages? Or maybe that big nest was German wasps?

Like a very large nest for Saxon wasps?
Maybe it's germasnki?
According to my local observations, common wasps, such as Vespula vulgaris, always settle in the ground, and the color of their combs is light straw. And in German wasps, the color of honeycombs and the paper layer is gray, nests are also found in all sorts of buildings, boxes, in general, half-open.
I generally thought that the nests of Saxon wasps are not large, about the size of a tennis ball, and there are three or four tiers of honeycombs. Although I don't even know what it is, toli read somewhere, toli was told so.

Old nests are quite an interesting story - I noticed that in places where there are old nests, new ones usually appear with enviable regularity. There's something to it. Mtaks do not overwinter in old nests, and cavities from them are not used later next time if the nest was in the ground, and paper is not usually taken from them, but maybe when some females wake up after wintering in the spring, they first rush to find a place for the nest exactly where they were born.
Or maybe the place itself is just convenient for nesting.
In general, the fact is that I found places where there were just dozens of old nests of German wasps, and new ones in the same place. For example, under the skin of buildings, in thermal insulation, under the plates of flower beds.
The only thing that can be confusing is that the old nests are probably a reservoir of specific wasp parasites.

So I don't even know, in general, in theory, if you rely on natural processes, then you don't need to clean up, well, or not everything, if everything is completely cluttered with nests.

And as for the number of females in this spring-it so happened that the frosts were very strong, and there was no snow at all at this time! As a result, a lot of animals, especially those wintering in the form of larvae or adults, froze. And where there was snow-everything is normal, despite the frosts...

Hierophis, I am glad that you are interested, I will try to take pictures tomorrow. The socket is the same color as the two on the wire shown in the pictures above. Still, I want to remove it when the uterus of the new one flies out, they are very close, in addition, there is another small abandoned one above, it is easier to remove it. Yes, and the old big nest in some places has subtle traces of some kind of dust, maybe there are parasites there, so it's better to remove it. Only now that the wasp then found a new nest, I'll still remove the landmark, but there it's close to the departure hole.

Also in that attic there is a hornet's nest the year before last, so far the only one, usually only wasps settle there, and even then not every year. This is on one side of the end of the attic, but from the second one there were always only abandoned small nests, it can be seen that the side does not suit the wasps well.

Of course, it's interesting, I'm just as I remember myself, it was common wasps that I was fond of.
Do you even have German wasps? Usually, if there are any, then at the end of August they are full.
And as far as I know, German wasps do not live in a wetter climate, there are mostly hornets, common wasps, forest wasps, and Saxon wasps.

And the uterus will definitely find the nest, whether with the old nest or without, for this I would not be afraid. But if the new one is displaced, then she will have problems, and then! I did an experiment-I shifted the hive with German wasps during the day during the active summer by 2 meters at once. And after the confusion, somehow all the wasps moved to a new place.

And in a hornet's nest, how many cells are there, and is there a difference between the cells of the lower and upper ones? By the way, I still haven't found the answer to this question - do hornets have different uterine cells from workers? It seems that such information is simple, but nowhere do they write such details
We have very very few hornets. I found nests, but it was not possible to move them home, but by the end of the season in that place I was always waiting for a not very pleasant, but strange "surprise" - someone always hollowed out the nest from the stumps, and literally tore it, chewed it, or something. As a result, it was not clear - where there are some honeycombs, there even the cells were all crumpled and torn. And so on for two consecutive seasons.

Hierophis, unfortunately, I can't say anything about German wasps and honeycombs in hornet nests, my main hobby is completely unrelated to insects (electronics), I didn't do a deep study of wasps, although I've also been fond of them since childhood, somehow I didn't think to divide them into different species, I just watched behind the nests. Yes, the queen really quickly found a nest, after I removed the old one, it didn't hurt her at all. I wonder who could have hollowed out nests from stumps, maybe some animal or bird? I once came across a hornet's nest in the garden, so there was a whole swarm of wasps there, I carefully covered the hole, but they still flew away from there. Added snapshots: 1. Two old wasp nests and a new one between them, 3L jar for scale. 2. Opened the left large nest, you can see 5 tiers of honeycombs. 3. An old hornet's nest and another abandoned one.

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some people are lucky.. they don't want me in the attic... some polistes everywhere.. I want vesp!

Wow!
The same big nest is not very similar to our nests of German wasps, which can be found indoors-German wasps usually stick evenly to the joint of walls or corner, so it turns out something like a swallow's nest.

Are the cells in the lower cells in that big nest the same as in the upper cells? It looks like this from the picture.

I was offered such versions about the destruction of nests-this is either a wasp-eater or a badger. In principle, both of them are found here. But for some reason, the destruction of hornets ' nests occurs with enviable regularity at the end of the season.

And electronics is now a job for me, and a hobby too, but from an earlier period, after all, now I somehow don't really do anything, except that I built a geiger counter. But wasps - yes !

Collector, well, I don't even have polystov on my balcony, but of course the dream is hornets! Well, all the pools of course. And bumblebees. And apis melifera, and polisty too, in general, all to live ))))

For me, this is just a paradise of luck to you!

2 vespa crabro: Not everything is so depressing!
Today your nickname was observed by me actively flying in Savvino. I recommend that you go and check out the point marked specifically for you on the map (there are old trees there)

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vasiliy-feoktistov, the sense that you saw there, and even caught To persuade the uterus to build a nest on the balcony or somewhere else, you need to try very hard - this is not for you to stick dead animals on pins ))))

vasiliy-feoktistov, the sense that you saw there, and even caught To persuade the uterus to build a nest on the balcony or somewhere else, you need to try very hard - this is not for you to stick dead animals on pins ))))

Hornet and does not like to build on the balcony. I suggested we look for a nest in that place. With vespa crabro we live in the neighboring streets, however.
2 vespa crabro: take buses No. 65, 23, 33 on Yubileynaya Street and go to Savvino for a few stops (get off at the stop in front of Bolshoy Savvinsky Pond), then go on foot and there will be hornets.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 06.05.2012 16: 42

  

Are the cells in the lower cells in that big nest the same as in the upper cells? It looks like this from the picture.

On the first tier, everything is the same size, and on the rest there are the same size as on the first tier, and slightly larger, covered from the inside with something yellow.

Just the presence of uterine honeycombs with a cell size larger than in ordinary honeycombs is the main sign of the "success" of the nest. In German and common wasps, the uterine honeycombs are built last and always have only large uterine cells. Males are bred in normal cells.

But in hornets, I don't yet understand whether their uterine veins are larger or not.

I recently went to visit the Tambov region.There I found about fifty polist nests,3 hornet nests, and the queens were very large approx. 4, 5 cm, Germanics,vulgaris,and Saxonics also flew.There polisty settle where they want, found 3 nests under the plate!!1 in the teapot!!The rest are in the barn and hayloft I couldn't resist taking a few polist nests and bringing them to the terrarium
P. Svasiliy-feoktistov thank you

This post was edited by vespa crabro - 09.05.2012 21: 25

 
P. Svasiliy-feoktistov thank you

No problem. By the way, yesterday I saw several more hornets in the same place. They must have a nest somewhere. I recommend looking for it.

Watch this person's video
http://www.youtube.com/user/myrmecostore

He has very informative videos)

I'm sick of these nests!I destroyed two of them in the garage.A week later, honey agaric two arrived and destroyed it with wasps.In the country two in the greenhouse...Grapes, however, are eaten!

I'm sick of these nests!I destroyed two of them in the garage.A week later, honey agaric two arrived and destroyed it with wasps.In the country two in the greenhouse...Grapes, however, are eaten!

Yes, not only they eat: the wasp can also fuck up suddenly and feel "full pants"
Odinzhi even went to the man's dacha specifically to destroy the nests in the attic (he was afraid). So-and-so......

Nazar, vespa crabro, who has something interesting there? And then we have everything here is still quite poor, I did not get anything sensible with bumblebee queens, I did not even try to take root vespulas, there is simply nowhere to find a vespul nest in nature for observations yet, we still have queens foraging mostly.
And the first generation of working oss will be released for dominulus polists in a few days.

Yes, I still have older larvae being fed,I also saw a lot of hornets at home,but I didn't catch any,I also caught a golden and copper bronzer, and so nothing more.
Polist's uterus has taken root well
in the terrarium

P.S Last year the nest grew without a womb

Hurray!Yapoymal hornet vasiliy-feoktistov you were wrong he is here near flying with my house, I do not need to go anywhere He is quite large 5 cm

Hurray!Yapoymal hornet   vasiliy-feoktistov you were wrong he is here near flying with my house, I do not need to go anywhere He is quite large 5 cm

I saw it yesterday, by the way, on an abandoned railway. This is the one that goes from the station to Savvino near the new quarter "Morton". Yes, they fly everywhere with us now. No wonder: I see it all the time.

Hurray!Yapoymal hornet   vasiliy-feoktistov you were wrong he is here near flying with my house, I do not need to go anywhere He is quite large 5 cm

Podeli on two size Or let out a scolia ))))))))))

Podeli on two size Or let out a scolia ))))))))))

We do not have any scolias of any kind, only the size can be divided.

I don't know.But he really is 5 cm he measured

I don't know.But he really did measure 5 cm himself  

Well, I saw 3 centimeters or a little more, but this is by eye, in flight so-as I do not catch them (not my area). But in reality, we have a lot of hornets (I see them very often). Just take a closer look. Well, I will tell you in a personal account where I will see them. Good luck.

Now the older larvae have woven cocoons and the rest are catching up with them.Recently I was in a clearing in Moscow there were a lot of hornets and bumblebees,now I will go there every year

I noticed 2 nests in the forest (like germanic) and one hornet's nest, I want to pick them up in the fall, what do you think, try to feed them so that the colony develops better?

As you wish, but it is better to put a cup of honey and give insects.

In our forest, it is more difficult to see a hornet's nest,large thickets.

the same garbage, I just noticed that it was flying around a dry tree, I decided to wait, as a result, it flew into a hollow tree in a dry birch tree at a height of about 2.5 m, and I noticed in the spring when there was very little green at all

Here in our clearing someone left a tank, maybe there will be wasps or hornets to nest.The tank is large approx. 5 meters.

How are you doing?"?I have everything going like clockwork, my nest is being built actively, there are a lot of eggs and larvae, working individuals will come out soon

I have a Saxon wasp nest for my collection at home, where there were 6 tiers,this is the first time I've seen such a nest

Here are photos from the terrarium, sorry for the quality

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I unfortunately lost the uterus in all the nests described above. First in the attic, and then near the veranda. There are no other nests. Although it may be possible to find nests in the ground, you will need to look in the garden.

This post was edited by Nazar - 10.06.2012 15: 03

My hornet's dream hasn't come true yet either, or rather, Myung Yan didn't, and I ended up destroying the nest, and it didn't do any good.
I found a nest of German wasps in a boton ceiling with holes (reminiscent of the Katyusha guns), and in one of the holes laid with a stone, lo and behold, Germanica flew in. I, in anticipation of the relocation of the nest, knock out a brick... and behind it-nothing!
Just shining a flashlight, I saw that the ball is located at a depth of about 3m from the entrance.. And vseravneo decided to get it. The diameter of the ball was quite small, like a tennis ball, and the population is probably no more than 7 aboutc. So I decided without precautions, found a stick about 5 m long, attached a hook made of wire, tried to pry the nest for a long time, faked it, and on the way the honeycomb itself fell to the bottom of the pipe, it was impossible to get it. On the shell sat the uterus and a couple of wasps..
Maybe this nest will recover.

And I also brought a polistov nest, but without a uterus. So far, everything is fine there, but this is for now, and then there will be only males there.