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18.10.2017 23:14, Oleg Belkin

October 1, 2017 In the Smolensk region, in a swamp, among cranberries and moss, such an interesting nest of wasps was found, up to water about 8-10 cm. There is a video of 1.5 minutes, I don't know how to attach it, the wasps either dry the nest, or warn - they work intensively with their wings while on the nest.

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19.10.2017 0:04, ИНО

As far as I could see, this is Polistes nimpha. The place is tin, of course, probably the water level has risen a lot since the spring, along with the sphagnum. The female founder would hardly have willingly pawned it in such conditions. To ventilate there, most likely, there is nothing more, the brood by that time, if not all developed, then froze.
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19.10.2017 1:09, ИНО

That's all, the foraging of all wasps stopped, and the improvement of the weather was already powerless to resume it. This year, the end came to the Vespula families earlier than last year, and last year - earlier than the year before. Tendency to reduce the period of activity on the face. Only the males of Germanicus restless fly. Today I got one failed drowned person out of the pond.

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28.10.2017 20:04, Кархарот

I haven't looked in here for a long time, and it turns out that it's not for nothing, since it's still the same Christmas Eve as before.

By the way, interestingly, in the articles of well-known local imperialists, information is circulating that Katamenes dimidiatus feed their larvae with scoop caterpillars. Moreover, some articles even attribute the exclusivity of such a diet. This data was also distributed to other resources on the Internet.
However, what our free European catamenes collect is somehow not at all similar to caterpillars / cocolki scoop wink.gif

For this type, there is only one publication that defines its production.:

28.10.2017 20:14, Hierophis

28.10.2017 20:19, Hierophis

By the way, it all started with that amazing 24-cell nest, before that it was essentially a smouldering hearth with individual nests. And now there are hundreds, even thousands of nests, and many of them - with a huge number of cells (built by one wasp , there are also joint ones) and there were also these osmia signata, and moreover, not far from there I found nests well sooo similar to the nests of flavigularis, only so far no one has come out, and I have not seen who made them.
This is very similar to the founder effect.
And why all this? I have already made this assumption here earlier)) They run from there, run jump.gif

28.10.2017 20:55, Кархарот

Well, if there is a publication, I will only be happy, I will definitely refer (no kidding).

It is especially interesting to see how the "suggestion made here earlier" will be discussed (but now I am already laughinglol.gif).

ENO is right about mining, they have a wide range. Moreover, two generations. I myself have seen two types (some fireflies and alfalfa-type scoops), but, of course, those who have more material will have more types of prey.

28.10.2017 21:04, ИНО

28.10.2017 21:12, Кархарот

So why doesn't he publish in the liberal West?
I have long understood that all important works should be published in English (or in two versions: Russian and English, which allows Entomological Review), since it is understandable to all colleagues, and Russian is only a small part of them.

28.10.2017 21:15, Hierophis

Two generations? Well well smile.gif

In general, katameneses are cool!
Once before, I spoke about the primitiveness of single wasps, their limitations, the constraint of their behavior strategy in choosing places for nests, forms of nests, prey, and so on.
Of course, Vespula is out of competition here smile.gif
But, the Katamenes turned out to be so plastic, so free in choosing their actions, that it's just amazing!
A whole consortium is formed around them, various wasps and bees nest in their nests, and their prey is stolen by all sorts of arrogant, but more stupid single wasps.
So katameneses are good , I think they are the future ))))

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28.10.2017 21:25, Кархарот

 
So katameneses are good , I think they are the future ))))

Most importantly, do not forget to mention this in the article (as its main conclusion).

28.10.2017 21:47, Hierophis

Yes easily)
I will not write in your dull style
, but in general, I am waiting for the publication of an article by our real academic scientist, I can even assume its title:
"To the discovery of a parthenogenetic population of Cerceris bugorchata consisting of only males in the vicinity of Donetsk" umnik.gif

28.10.2017 21:56, Hierophis

By the way, I happened to grow a catamenes larva by feeding it a double set of caterpillars. well, it turned out, just one testicle was lost - that's where the power will be) Almost all the cultivation ended successfully, and I then released the OS, but some of them went to winter, and this one is among them, then I will release it there, if it winters normally - this is what it will probably set jump.gifup for you

28.10.2017 21:57, ИНО

The grass required for writing such an article is not allowed to reach us through block posts, probably most of it is spent on the work of your historians.

28.10.2017 22:06, Кархарот

just one testicle lost - that's where the power will be)

Oh, my God...

28.10.2017 22:15, Hierophis

Who's talking about what lol.gif

But Carcharot won't lay out his egg! He will not be able to take a picture umnik.gifof it))))))))

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28.10.2017 22:23, Кархарот

And I have two of them (just in case, I'll specify - in one cell of katamenes).
Why do you have your one that wasn't lost hanging on the grass?

28.10.2017 22:37, Hierophis

)) Well, that's why it hangs, because it wasn't lost)
Considering the number of nests and the density of population, I still decided to disassemble several nests, I dismantled the nest completely immediately after the end of provisioning and carried only caterpillars and an egg on a piece of the building, so that it does not hang on the grass, but on a piece of the nest, and a piece of grass)
In fact, everything is fine and without the nest itself, it turns out, both feeding and pupation.

But about two - this is serious) Let's just say it happened due to the intervention of the experimenter, or two wasps were deposited in one nest?
I generally observed attempts to capture one wasp postoroy another, but it seems to be deposited there only one ) But this is if two katamenesovyh, and so them. testicles, and a few happened in the nest, this is normal, then spangles, infections, climb, then flies (just flies)) fly..
You need to learn how to close the katamenes nest at the time of landing. many wasps can, after all smile.gif


And I also plan to make layers from this population, there are three small stones with the number of cells of about 50, and the place is suitable. Because dumb, after all, the bottom is a shaky place for Katamenes to live)

28.10.2017 22:45, Кархарот

I mean, this photo on the grass doesn't make much sense. The position of the egg in the cell is much more valuable.

Let's just say it happened due to the intervention of the experimenter, or two wasps were deposited in one nest?

Neither one nor the other. Just one wasp "deposited in one nest".

28.10.2017 22:53, Hierophis

There is a picture of the testicle in the whole nest, and a picture of the attachment point, just this picture is larger, it's for the whole frame smile.gif

And I'm afraid to imagine how many nests probably had to be examined in order to identify such an anomaly as a double laying.. sedge sorry) Although, the idea is interesting, if two larvae for one food, well, or for two food but in one jar.

28.10.2017 23:02, Hierophis

Oh, one of the pictures is sanctioned, well, ldano ))

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29.10.2017 8:39, ИНО

Both.

29.10.2017 21:40, mihel60

I didn't think that many people like to deal with wasps - for the first time I read so many messages about them only here!

26.11.2017 8:00, beautyfil

I don't think it's magna. First (second, if you count the bumblebee) this is definitely Andrena albopunctata, and the second (third) - I don't know, maybe carbonaria, I don't know them very well, maybe magna of course, but I would say for sure if the abdomen was visible.
Long-whiskered yes, eucers, I don't remember which 4 species are so large, I remember that there are 4 of them, and there are more than two dozen of them in total.

Magna is like this, by the way. This is my photo from the red list of bees of your favorite Europe. tongue.gif
But we have deviated from the wasps 'nests to the bees' nests...


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26.11.2017 12:23, Hierophis

Heh, I have now in what derzhitsya andren there is tongue.gif
And that xylocope, or whoever it is, seems to be judging by the projection from above, not a yellow drawing, but an obnozhka )

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26.11.2017 23:31, Кархарот

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30.12.2017 15:13, Night1ngale

I was sitting playing at the computer, and then this miracle sat on the wall. End of December - minus outside the window. I don't know how or where it came from.
As I understand it, this is one of the polists. How to determine if it is a uterus? If the uterus, then is it worth bothering with a terrarium?
So far, I put it in a jar with a piece of cardboard, feed it with sugar-coated water.
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30.12.2017 16:35, AVA

I was sitting playing at the computer, and then this miracle sat on the wall. End of December - minus outside the window. I don't know how or where it came from.
As I understand it, this is one of the polists. How to determine if it is a uterus? If the uterus, then is it worth bothering with a terrarium?
So far, I put it in a jar with a piece of cardboard, feed it with sugar-coated water.

Wintering female Polistes dominula.
I flew in the fall to spend the winter, now I warmed up and "decided" that spring had come. If there are no special plans regarding the monitoring of polysts, then you should not bother. The view is banal. Just put the jar in a cool place, and somewhere at the end of April, release the wasp into the wild.

14.08.2018 22:43, alexanderz

Greetings to all forumchan!
In my dacha, I found a nest of wasps under the ground. I've been watching it since the end of July at intervals of about a week.
At first, it was a small entrance, 3-4 centimeters in diameter, through which insects flew in and out of the nest. Then, when I arrived a week later, I found a sinkhole next to the old entrance - a large hole and a lot of "swarming" wasps. Pieces of honeycomb were scattered around. There were honeycombs inside, too.
A week later, at the site of the nest, I found one large hole. The nest is alive, the wasps now fly out of its lower part "from the depths". The walls of the "burrow" are "processed".
What happened to the nest, who can say? And what kind of os?
Also, the last time I saw a large fly on the edge of the nest (there is a photo), which fearlessly descended into the very depths of the "hole", but then came out.
Zavra will go to the dacha (Ryazan region), see what happens next.

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22.08.2018 21:27, AVA

Greetings to all forumchan!
In my dacha, I found a nest of wasps under the ground. I've been watching it since the end of July at intervals of about a week.
At first, it was a small entrance, 3-4 centimeters in diameter, through which insects flew in and out of the nest. Then, when I arrived a week later, I found a sinkhole next to the old entrance - a large hole and a lot of "swarming" wasps. Pieces of honeycomb were scattered around. There were honeycombs inside, too.
A week later, at the site of the nest, I found one large hole. The nest is alive, the wasps now fly out of its lower part "from the depths". The walls of the "burrow" are "processed".
What happened to the nest, who can say? And what kind of os?
Also, the last time I saw a large fly on the edge of the nest (there is a photo), which fearlessly descended into the very depths of the "hole", but then came out.
Zavra will go to the dacha (Ryazan region), see what happens next.


Vespula vulgaris wasps (Linnaeus, 1758) often build nests in underground burrows or passages of mammals, expanding the cavity as the family grows and the size of the nest itself increases.
Nest disturbance is also a common occurrence. Who exactly did this, it is difficult to say, since there are quite a lot of fans to eat wasp brood. From woodpeckers and small martens, to wasp eaters and even bears.
The fly encountered is Volucella inanis (Linnaeus, 1758), one of the species of babblers that "parasitize" Vespula nests.
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23.08.2018 9:30, alexanderz

Thanks for the clarification.
The nest lives. I think what will happen when the rains start? Can I cover you with something?" It's a very big hole.

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23.08.2018 11:15, Hierophis

So the nest is no longer there, there is nothing to cover.
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27.08.2018 12:39, alexanderz

Perhaps, most likely, someone has ruined the nest. Maybe magpies or crows?
However, for two weeks I observed that the wasps fly out of the hole at the bottom of the formed hole, as if from the continuation of the "mink". But gradually the activity faded and only rare single insects flew out this weekend. There was also a dead wasp in the former nest.
Thanks to this topic, I became interested in nests and OS life. Found in the vicinity of the village of Tyukovo (Ryazan region). here is a nest like this:

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27.08.2018 12:42, alexanderz

And on my plot, in flowers, such a thing. During the summer, similar small nests were found earlier, for example, on gooseberry bushes. Then they emptied out.

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27.08.2018 14:08, Hierophis

It is unlikely that magpies-crows will climb into such a nest, we have vespula nests ravaged by wasps, these are birds of prey, and recently there have been quite a lot of wasps. Probably some animals like the badger can dig up too.
After the nest is destroyed, wasps sometimes build another nest nearby, especially in the middle of summer, but such nests are not very successful, even if the uterus is preserved, they still will not have time to build everything they need by autumn, and at best they will bring out a few males, and if the nest is destroyed at the end of summer, this is generally kirdyk, probably even the males did not have time to fly out, although I do not know how in your area, we have vespula males appear at the end of September.


The nest in the hole in the wall is a slightly different wasp, there were vespulas in the ground, and these are dolichovespulas, forest wasp, Saxon wasp-like that. These wasps are very rare in the steppe zone, we have never seen. They say that vespulas hatch their queens early and the nests are empty early, in August there should be almost no one, so this picture was taken somewhere in July?

And small nests on plants are made by polists, in this case nymphs or dominuli.

All these varieties of wasps are annual and only fertilized females remain for the winter.
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27.08.2018 14:32, alexanderz

Thank you so much for your reply!
The picture of a large paper nest on the brick ruins was taken this weekend, more precisely on Saturday, August 25 (I mistakenly marked the picture "26.08.2018").
Polistov in a small nest, I previously identified by photos on the website "Public wasps of Chuvashia".
I didn't identify any wasps in the underground nest, but I took a dead wasp from the nest, so I'll try to figure it out. However, I do not know if it can be considered an inhabitant of this nest or maybe it is a squeezed uninvited guest? Could this be the case?

27.08.2018 14:58, Hierophis

As for the nest in the ruins - you can observe what is happening there, according to the idea of foraging, that is, there should be practically no flight of wasps for food, and maybe not all types of dolichovespula stop being active early. You can try to determine the type of these wasps too, for sure there is a dead wasp nearby, or you can catch a live one.
Then you can disassemble the nest and see how it works.

AVA has already written what kind of wasps were in the underground nest, but you can try to determine for yourself. It is very unlikely that the wasp that was lying there dead-from another nest, the probability of course is, but very small) There are two options-either vespula germanica or vulgaris, then after studying the differences, they can easily be distinguished even in flight )

Polistov in this picture, I personally find it difficult to determine, you need to be visible mandibles, tip of the abdomen, antennae, but there are also only two options-dominuli or nymphs.
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27.08.2018 22:19, alexanderz

Okay, I'll try. I won't be going there for another week, but I'll look at all three nests.

02.09.2018 19:52, AVA

... Found in the vicinity of the village of Tyukovo (Ryazan region). here is a nest like this:

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02.09.2018 22:54, AVA

And on my plot, in flowers, such a thing. During the summer, similar small nests were found earlier, for example, on gooseberry bushes. Then they emptied out.

If it is a nest from MO, it is almost certainly Polistes nimpha.
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