Reasons for the change in the number of swallowtails

And you don't have any brains left to read without smoking, just like many of your "friends". Sorry...

Oh, well, where really there )))
By the way, is this "yours" or" ours"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...d&v=3F6SFUebCuQ

I'm not interested. Besides, there were priests on the Maidan too, remember? And in some steppe reserve (I've already forgotten the name, there's no time to look for it now), a church was built not so long ago. So, we have a common problem of religious obscurantism, and it has nothing to do with politics. It's just that Russia is bigger, and there are more such cases, and the level of PGM per capita is about the same. But we have moved away from the topic of swallowtail and (its forage) grass.

INO, can it not be that just in those years there were some conditions (a garden, for example, full of dill) in which they accidentally multiplied en masse, and then these conditions disappeared, and the number became what it should have been for these places? Well, in general, such a period is not an indicator, you can get on the natural waves of life.

And yes, Shtil is right about style, it's not worth it (Hierophis is excusable, he has a wart in his head).

 
And yes, Shtil is right about style, it's not worth it (Hierophis is excusable, he has a wart in his head).

And this is what our brain aristocrats say! (tm)
Although, Carcharot can be forgiven, he has imperialism staples in his head)
Vavka by the way - if it happens, it will heal, but imperialism is for a long time
I would tell you about the Russian "priests" but only offtop is already and everyone knows the facts ..

Vavka by the way - if it happens, it will heal

Oh, if only... Judging by

he's got staples imperialism in his head)

unlikely...

This post was edited by Carcharot - 03.08.2015 17: 11

  
unlikely...

Well, why did you add "clips" there? Is there such a thing? ))
I don't know what it is or what you call it, but Ezox declares that he is a Russian Orthodox nationalist.
But in reality, this is all you have - imperialism.

And I am for a civil society where the privileges of citizens are determined not by nationality or kinship with the "elite" (read with the nobility), but by such factors as fair payment of taxes, and labor productivity, where the rejection of corruption and fraud is a reality at the state level.
Where the law and the law are one for all, where there are no "Peskov hours", "Patriarch hours", dualism of "boyars and serfs", where there are: really working social elevators, and science is not one of the ways to "get addicted to the state feeder" in the form of academics and officials, but a way to accumulate knowledge.
Where a person "catching butterflies" is not a "nerd finished", and a person leading a sober lifestyle is not an outcast "not respecting kolllektif")))

For such a society, for example, in democratic Western countries-in the EU

Well, why did you add "clips" there? Is there such a thing? ))

I didn't understand. What I meant was that if you put imperialism in my head, your wart is unlikely to heal.

I don't know what it is or what you call it, but Ezox declares that he is a Russian Orthodox nationalist.

What's that got to do with me? I do not consider myself either Orthodox or nationalist.

And I am for a civil society where the privileges of citizens are determined not by nationality or kinship with the "elite" (read with the nobility), but by such factors as fair payment of taxes, and labor productivity, where the rejection of corruption and fraud is a reality at the state level.
Where the law and the law are one for all, where there are no "Peskov hours", "Patriarch hours", dualism of "boyars and serfs", where there are: really working social elevators, and science is not one of the ways to "get addicted to the state feeder" in the form of academics and officials, but a way to accumulate knowledge.
Where a person "catching butterflies" is not a "nerd finished", and a person leading a sober lifestyle is not an outcast "not respecting kolllektif")))

So what's the problem, I'm also all for it with both hands. Only Ukraine has not yet determined Russia by all these parameters, so do not la-la. And with the "titular nation" we have no problems.

And yes, what does this have to do with swallowtails?

  
And yes, what does this have to do with swallowtails?

Swallowtails have nothing to do with it, it's just a shame for the state
For the very power of Dostoevsky, Bulgakov, Sabaneyev, Darevsky.
While in the world people strive for peace, there are quarrels between close peoples, and expand the "empire"..

You'd think I hadn't lived and visited both places, and hadn't had the opportunity to compare them. In / in Ukraine, are those who lead a sober lifestyle respected in groups, for example?
Or has science gone ahead and doesn't know corruption? We've been through all this before.

I didn't start the provocation:

Only history is worse than ecology,... especially the story about 96.7 percent

And who is quarreling with us - I would point my finger, but you still do not want to notice the obvious, it is pointless to discuss with you here, as in the issues of nesting polistov, you already have your own special opinion, no facts that refute its consequences, unshakable. And taken, apparently, from zomboyashchik

  
And who is quarreling with us - I would point my finger, but you still do not want to notice the obvious, it is pointless to discuss with you here, as in the issues of nesting polistov, you already have your own special opinion, no facts that refute its consequences, unshakable. And taken, apparently, from zomboyashchik

That's just not necessary, my principle is slightly different from the generally accepted one, and for me the main thing is not "my opinion" but "an opinion confirmed by facts". So about the police officers - you are absolutely wrong, I changed my mind. Just like about zomboyashchik by-I don't watch it at all, and this is a fact

Not convincing somehow. With the application for withdrawal, you certainly did it cool, but what does Ukraine / Russia have to do with it? Have you tried to tell your friends from the neighboring village, for comparison? Now, if you did this in a few random groups in both countries, and then told a few random people in each...
From my experience of long working trips to institutions of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the National Academy of Sciences, I can say that the people there are about the same in this regard.

PS: we had fixed salaries in science just in Ukraine, they depended only on the number of "titles", and in the Russian Federation they have long been evaluated by results, in particular by publications in international journals.

I'm already tired of answering the rest of your beautiful slogans and statements, because it's all nonsense. I remember very well how many times, starting from the early nineties, we were imposed with our own lifestyle and opinions, and I also remember who it was.

You get tired all the time when things get difficult.

It is absolutely true that everything is about the same here, and in such a short time (short - I mean even a decade , not the events of the last two years), not much has changed.
But we got the opportunity to change.


Here is our author of the topic ENO something completely tired, does not answer the question about the number of whiteflies, mother-of-pearl and other daytime butterflies at that time, nor on the waves of zhini, and not even on the offtop about how the terrible Omeriga quarrels us

Gentlemen, you have deviated from the topic of swallowtails.

What a nightmare, Imperial swallowtails! I won't even enter into this argument. On another forum, almost every day since November 2014, I bring my arguments (and I'm not the only one) - everything is absolutely to no avail, Hierophis is impenetrable. Carcharoth, if you can convince him, it will be a world-wide miracle. As for the tone, look at what tone Shtil and Djon took in this topic at the very beginning (or rather, Shtil - from their first post, and Djon - a little later). "Poking at childhood" - that's-this, I understand, tactfulness is beyond the roof. "Dill gardens" we both had, and still have, however, I can't say about the treatment with insecticides yet, I haven't asked the gardeners yet. But I will definitely ask. Similarly, wild umbelliferae thrive, for example, the same stingray. But the swallowtails really became much smaller. That is, at first, the number generally fell below the detection threshold, then slightly increased, but still it cannot be compared with the past. And no one, no matter what his scientific authority, will force me to discern this reliably hidden phenomenon. But perhaps you are right about something else: it is not now that swallowtails have become less than average, but in the late 90s there were much more. But then everything comes down to this most hypothetical average, what to take for it? The same philosophical question as whether a bumblebee is black with a yellow stripe or yellow with a black stripe (or, for example, a wasp, but the Oligarch had a bumblebee). For example, in Svyatogorsk and Bogorodichny, the number of swallowtails has been stable all this time (in comparison with my district), and quite high, much higher than we have now. This means that, at least in comparison with these localities, the number of swallowtails in the Kirovsky district of Donetsk is currently reduced. So there must be some objective reason for this difference. Unfortunately, for the end of the 90's I have nothing to compare it with, then, except in Donetsk, I didn't observe swallowtails anywhere. If at that time in the same Svyatogorsk (at that time - Slavyanogorsk) swallowtails were generally higher than the roof, then it would be possible to speak with some confidence about the general outbreak of its number at that time in the South-East of Ukraine (just where there were a lot of swallowtails, they then became average, and where there is a lot of simple - not enough). If it was the same there as in the mid-noughties or now, then the number changed geographically unevenly and we need to look for the reason for this unevenness. In general, the question is complicated. When I created this topic, I thought that someone already had the answer. Now it is clear that you will either have to look for it yourself, or score.

Carcharoth, if you can convince him, it will be a world-wide miracle.

Tinplate)) How to convince that all evil is from Omeriga and the West? Including the Internet, the computer, as well as the entire, well, absolutely the entire structure of modern science, as well as its main achievements, as well as all those journals where our scientists sleep and see their publications

Tinplate)) How to convince that all evil is from Omeriga and the West? Including the Internet, the computer, as well as the entire, well, absolutely the entire structure of modern science, as well as its main achievements, as well as all those journals where our scientists sleep and see their publications

All evil comes from fools. And from Omeriga-sponsoring the development of "svidomosti" of the inhabitants of Ukraine (which boils down to the fact that in Russia it is very bad and therefore it is aggressive, it always interferes with unhappy Ukraine) during the entire period of independence and for the purpose of a subsequent armed coup under the pretext of European integration, as a result of which Russia had to take Crimea. Crimeans, of course, are happy, but this did not affect the Russian economy very well, but Omeriga received its profit. And then the war, sanctions, etc. Again, the profit is obvious.
And about achievements and magazines, who's arguing. And there are a lot of wonderful people living there, just like in any other country.

The last time it was so hot in the topic with "flying snakes"

Also in the topic about hornet's nests, too. Please excuse me, really, it's time to stop.

 

Here we must also take into account that in the 90's I did not know all of our day butterflies. And even now I don't know all of them, for example, I haven't even tried to understand the bluish-gray pigeons, and even more so to monitor their numbers. But if we take the number of such large common butterflies as podalirii, day peacock's eye, admiral, anglewing c-white, galatea, cow's eye, then it, of course, fluctuated from year to year, but no one else noticed such a large-scale directional long-term change as for the swallowtail. Here, burdock has huge outbreaks, but it is outbreaks, not falls, that every year, even the most depressing, it comes across in quantity.

You'd better watch other species so closely, not just the swallowtail. Believe me, there are much more interesting things than this swallowtail. You'd better watch the fatheads, we have them through the roof in the Donetsk region. I remember in 2009 there were almost no burdocks, but this is a common sight everywhere, especially in the steppe regions.

  
If I notice this for thickheads (oh, I still need to learn how to identify them to the point of view), then I will keep an eye out.

Download the butterfly detector for Ukraine and you will be happy.

There is an atlas, there like. and there are fatheads, too. But there is still no desire to study the distinctive features. But if you want me to look at something in nature for you, then please tell me what it is. Only I don't go far now, there are military training grounds everywhere.

In the Kherson region, the swallowtail prefers this kind of grass on the sands.



Today I walked on the sandy steppe, saw only three swallowtails and did not see any caterpillars. But this does not mean that its number has decreased, because at the very end of August 2013 I saw a lot of imagos, and at the end of September 2014 - a lot of caterpillars. So let's see.

This post was edited by Wave Storm-08/04/2015 22: 10

I think I know this kind of grass, it also grows here. I haven't identified it yet (by the way, they haven't identified it here in the botanic forum for another user either). Although I'm not 100% sure it's her. Three swallowtails in a day and zero swallowtails in five years is still a big difference.

Make clear photos of inflorescences and fruits, and everything will be determined.

I think I know this kind of grass, it also grows here. I haven't identified it yet (by the way, they haven't identified it here in the botanic forum for another user either). Although I'm not 100% sure it's her. Three swallowtails in a day and zero swallowtails in five years is still a big difference.

You just need to walk more often, and look better, zero swallowtails in 5 years - I think even some typical urban "club resident" who is only" in nature " sometimes gets out to the nearest forest belt, at that time I saw more swallowtails than you)))

Roma, think less, otherwise you're not doing well.
Carcharot, it seems, has already identified his plant (glory to the Plantarium!) - Seseli tortuosum, it turns out, is a priestess and such happens, who would have thought. It will be necessary now to look at the fruits again to be sure. And it is very similar to the fact that it is this plant that someone has been trying for a long and tedious time to identify in the botanical branch of molbiol. If its swallowtail caterpillars are eaten, then the amount of potential wild food in the territory of the designated area has increased several times (and by "thickets of the stallion" I meant only the stallion poreznikovaya, which grows only on wet gullies, and the whole winding deposit near the Donetsk Sea is overgrown).

This post was edited by ENO-04.08.2015 23: 43

Here in the Volgograd region, swallowtails feed not only on umbrella plants, but also on the Artemisia arenaria sandy wormwood.

ENO, I thought you were talking about Seseli tortuosum. We have swallowtails eat (except for vegetable gardens) mainly it, as well as ash and wholeflower. Whether they eat Seseli libanotis - I don't know, I haven't seen it here (an extremely rare species for the Crimea), but in theory, they should.
In the photo Wave Storm is not the fact that Seseli tortuosum, but almost 100% that some kind of Seseli.

And we have a lot of Seseli libanotis, sometimes whole thickets together with hogweed:


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Different wasps love it:



Unfortunately, I haven't seen any swallowtail caterpillars.

This post was edited by ENO-05.08.2015 17: 45

I know I saw a lot of this plant when I was in Dronovka.

Today I thought that in my neighborhood, too, the extinction of swallowtails has begun) As soon as I get to the steppe, there are plenty of swallowtails right away, but I don't remember near the house on the deposits this season, except in the spring
Probably a population depression, not otherwise

Today I walked through the Goose Glade in one place, I saw 6 swallowtails, and the day before ten, so everything is in order, the trouble is only in the Forest Park, where these reptiles cut 75% of the places where you could catch something literally 10 days ago, there is now a solid steppe.

it's all steppe now .

Eeeee) Solid steppe is something like this Solid steppe is power!
And what you have done in the park is a solid PPC, we have about the same thing in city parks get up..

Today I thought that in my neighborhood, too, the extinction of swallowtails has begun) As soon as I get to the steppe, there are plenty of swallowtails right away, but I don't remember near the house on the deposits this season, except in the spring
Probably a population depression, not otherwise

And there are many Apollons in the Caucasus. So you think we have them, too?" What does this topic have to do with how many swallowtails there are in your steppe and in your non-steppe? You're mentally depressed, that's what.

And the sage drooping in Nikolayevshchina low any, ours is better.

This post was edited by INO - 08/11/2015 01: 01

 
And the sage drooping in Nikolayevshchina low any, ours is better.

Not well, listen, it's just a mega-expert of some kind))

Here it is, drooping sage, the one that is "our best", growing in the beam of Ezoksa





But the sage that grows here, its height is up to the chest, and some-almost up to the chin, chin, Esox! )))

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About the rest - I repeat once again, who has something that hurts, that's what he says

Today I thought that in my neighborhood, too, the extinction of swallowtails has begun) As soon as I get to the steppe, there are plenty of swallowtails right away, but I don't remember near the house on the deposits this season, except in the spring
Probably a population depression, not otherwise

...which is strange, because this year the grass is hoo-hoo due to a large amount of precipitation. We still need to see how things will be in the second half of August, when it will be cooler, maybe then there will be more swallowtails.

Roma, why do you compare the first photo of my sage with your favorites? I have others, too:





But only the steppe? the one that looks like this is actually a fig tree, but the cat didn't cry there. Here you have one sage from a variety of herbs with faint glimpses of some cornflowers (like) and, attention, mignonette! Reseda-sage steppe - something new in geobotany. And the real power is here:


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Up to the chin, you say?

"Herbaceous plant with a height of 20-100 cm." Pedivikia. In the "Determinant of higher plants of Ukraine" ed. Prokudina (1987) - the same figures. So, it turns out that what you're so violent about is the Napoleon complex! And so yes, I admit, sage is the same in height, just your previous photo in this regard was unsuccessful, I probably shot it in a jump.

By the way, yes, what did you say about the flowering of this sage in April and the impossibility of feeding Megascolia maculata on it?



This post was edited by ENO-08/11/2015 14: 18

Eeeee) Solid steppe is something like this Solid steppe is power!
And what you have done in the park is a solid PPC, we have about the same thing in city parks get up..

Here is such a steppe we have formed
The habitats of such species as polyxena and Achine have been covered , the latter will now have to be searched only in the shade of the forest .

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the trouble is only in the Forest Park, where these bastards cut 75% of the places where you could catch something just 10 days ago, there is now a solid steppe .

well, they started cutting down the power line in mid-July. I was shocked myself when I come to a fat place, and there for a week solid cutting only. interestingly, someone's underground vegetable garden under the power line was left or also put under the knife

Here is such a steppe we have formed
Covered habitats of such species as: polyxena

and what did polixena get under the power line?