Reasons for the change in the number of swallowtails

  

and what did polixena get under the power line?

It was the most numerous in 2013, though I caught it once in early May.

It was the most numerous in 2013, though I caught it once in early May.

interestingly, I never saw it there and did not find it, only once at the tomb of the unknown soldier about 7 years ago, 1 copy came across.

Roma, why do you compare the first photo of my sage with your favorites? I have others, too

But only the steppe? the one that looks like this is actually a fig tree, but the cat didn't cry there. Here you have one sage from a variety of herbs with faint glimpses of some cornflowers (like) and, attention, mignonette! Reseda-sage steppe - something new in geobotany. And the real power is here:

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Ezox, these are the usual photos from the walk, this season))
Ezoooks! There are no cornflowers, there is flax ) And what a mignonette, it's sage

In general, it's so easy to judge biodiversity from two photos that don't even distinguish between plants...

Esox.. Here are these photos-all taken on the same day as the photos of sage. And the caterpillar - also on the same day.
In the same place, Ezox..
There are probably only 7 types of sage ... and you say - mignonette

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Nick444444, generally a clearing-in theory, a good potential for the formation of stations suitable for many types of insects. If there was kirkazone, it won't disappear, and neither will polyxenes. I thought you had everything mowed in the forest, but they do it in city parks.
In the clearings they say that even Apollons breed well

Nick444444, generally a clearing-in theory, a good potential for the formation of stations suitable for many types of insects. If there was kirkazone, it won't disappear, and neither will polyxenes. I thought you had everything mowed in the forest, but they do it in city parks.
In the clearings, they say that even apollons breed well

Apollons are unlikely to appear here , but Mnemosyne may well . Although I have a hunch that I can find Apollo not in the Kharkiv region, but, for example, in Yenakiyevo in the Donbas.

Nick444444, generally a clearing-in theory, a good potential for the formation of stations suitable for many types of insects. If there was kirkazone, it won't disappear, and neither will polyxenes. I thought you had everything mowed in the forest, but they do it in city parks.
In the clearings, they say that even apollons breed well

Of course, the clearing will be overgrown and somehow restored, but right now there will be nothing there. That's what it's all about, as I understand it. Well, the clearing was some kind of draconian, judging by the photo... It is possible and necessary to be more delicate...

A friend of mine tried to introduce Polyxena there. So Nikita met her the following year. But maybe it didn't last.

interestingly, I never saw it there and did not find it, only once at the tomb of the unknown soldier about 7 years ago, 1 copy came across.

I've only ever seen Polyxene around the swamp . Their range runs from a swamp to a hill that runs perpendicular to the road leading to the well and another hill where an underground vegetable garden has settled . And the whole area passes to the sports ground of stunt cyclists, there is even, in my opinion, kirkazon grows on the right side of the road, I don't really understand the plants, but it is very similar .

Mnemosyne in theory you should have, and not a little, near Kharkov such a forest that there anything can be..
I dreamed of finding Apollo from the very beginning back in the early 2000s - it didn't work out))) Yes, and it will not work out for sure wherever you look, the probability is only 1%, maybe somewhere in Karapty or the Crimea.
The story of Apollo is not simple... of course, in the aspect of populism, everyone is shouting that it died out because of human influence, but most likely everything was much more complicated)

Of course, the clearing will be overgrown and somehow restored, but right now there will be nothing there. That's what it's all about, as I understand it. Well, the clearing was some kind of draconian, judging by the photo... It is possible and necessary to be more delicate...

A friend of mine tried to introduce Polyxena there. So Nikita met her the following year. But maybe it didn't last.

I saw Polixena only on May 8, 2013 and 2014, then everything . I was just looking for her that day . Maybe try to implement mnemosyne here . It's been a long time since I've had this idea in my head .

Of course, the clearing will be overgrown and somehow restored, but right now there will be nothing there. That's what it's all about, as I understand it. Well, the clearing was some kind of draconian, judging by the photo... It is possible and necessary to be more delicate...

A friend of mine tried to introduce Polyxena there. So Nikita met her the following year. But maybe it didn't last.

Well, they had the task of providing access to the wires, most likely, this is what is required by the regulations - well, the wire will break there, you need to fix it.
"Refugiums" there remained 100% in the area of the supports, + at the edges of the whole there is not much left. And so-the presence of power lines is a doom to regular deforestation

I saw Polixena only on May 8, 2013 and 2014, then everything . I was just looking for her that day . Maybe try to implement mnemosyne here   . I've had this idea in my head for a long time .

Are there any tufts there?" And where do you get mnemosyne caterpillars from?
Well, to get hooked, you need to release at least 500 caterpillars probably )

Now Kharkovbut will fiercely scold for the introduction )))

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Mnemosyne in theory you should have, and not a little, near Kharkov such a forest that there anything can be..
I dreamed of finding Apollo from the very beginning back in the early 2000s - it didn't work out))) Yes, and it will not work out for sure wherever you look, the probability is only 1%, maybe somewhere in Karapty or the Crimea.
The story of Apollo is not simple... of course, in the aspect of populism, everyone is shouting that it died out because of human influence, but most likely everything was much more complicated)

According to my calculations apollo can only be in three places : These are the Donetsk Ridge, the Carpathian and Crimean mountains. The most likely place to find it is on the border with Poland, in the Carpathians. In Crimea, this is most likely a story, since there is not even a mnemosyne on the peninsula. Well, in the Donbas there may be strays from Russia .
http://lepidoptera.eu/records2/SpeciesInfo...ID=3&country=PL - although there is not quite a border, but close .

We have swallowtail caterpillars including on such common plants on the sands:



"also Seseli tortuosum?" On dill, carrots, etc. cultivated plants have never met, although in the dachas such good stuff is full.
I didn't specifically count the swallowtails themselves, but I saw the least of them in 2013.
P.S. And what is the situation in other regions with the meadow moth (Loxostege sticticalis)? I already have 1 copy this year. did you see that one back in May?

Sergey-D, so this Seseli tortuosum, it seems, is.

Rum, sage, indistinguishable from mignonette from a distance-this is something new. Is there a photo of him up close? Or did you take the sage cleaner that you have in the first picture for sage? Only all sorts of vacant lots, garbage bins and other ruderal biotopes are so densely overgrown with such chistets. But this does not cancel the mignonette in any way, it is clearly visible here:

According to my calculations apollo can only be in three places : These are the Donetsk Ridge, the Carpathian and Crimean mountains. The most likely place to find it is on the border with Poland, in the Carpathians. In Crimea, this is most likely a story, since there is not even a mnemosyne on the peninsula. Well, in the Donbas there may be strays from Russia .
http://lepidoptera.eu/records2/SpeciesInfo...ID=3&country=PL "it's not quite the border, but it's close .

I would say who in the Donbass can only be a stray from Russia .. ) And where there is a population of Apollo that is nearby, there is nothing near the Donbass on that map.
Is mnemosyne related to Apollo? In the Crimea, they could very well be, there are a lot of all sorts of micro-isolated populations of both Caucasian and Mediterranean animals, it's just that it could have been trampled there in due time, now nature will at least rest there
In the Carpathians, there are more places and somehow the accessibility is lower, no one climbs anywhere and everywhere, only on the paths found, so I think there is something there..

Only all sorts of vacant lots, garbage bins and other ruderal biotopes are so densely overgrown with such chistets.

And what is the name of this cleaner? Have you seen too much of this on vacant lots?

Now Kharkovbut will fiercely scold for the introduction )))

Mnemosyne has historically been there-I saw it myself back in the late 80's. I haven't seen it in the new millennium. The tufts are huge. But, apparently, some conditions were violated. Crested trees grow in any oak forest, even in tiny islands, but mnemosyne does not live everywhere. Although there are many habitats in the region.

Okay, pictures to measure)) this is one thing, but you can list the names of plants that, for example, I met during that very walk, it will even be useful, of course, I did not define almost all of these plants myself, but I now know their names, and there is a reason to repeat

Here are some plants that I met and photographed at that time - onosma, drooping sage, forest sage, Ethiopian sage, Pontic astragalus, broomrape, clematis, ashberry, catnip, meadowsweet, yurineya, dwarf almonds, pickles, rosehips, teren, yarrow tansy, gulyavnik, istod, parsnip, thyme, krestovnik, rogachka, chernokoren, vechernitsa, bellevalia, plantain, wormwood, flax of three types, chistets, milkweed, rindera, dwarf and salt-loving irises, lastovenya, zopniki, various small astragalus, bluebells, clover, poppies, thistles..
I'm sorry, I forgot who

Now it's your turn, Ezox, to list the plants that grow in your pictures, JUST PLEASE )) you do not need to list ALL the plants that grow there, starting from tulips and crocuses, exactly at the time when the pictures were taken

We have swallowtail caterpillars including on such common plants on the sands:

Here on a similar (or the same) plant and we live on the sands.

  

Mnemosyne has historically been there-I saw it myself back in the late 80's. I haven't seen it in the new millennium. The tufts are huge. But, apparently, some conditions were violated. Crested trees grow in any oak forest, even in tiny islands, but mnemosyne does not live everywhere. Although there are many habitats in the region.

In general, given what I read about mnemosyne, about its wintering, surprisingly ka kona has not yet died out Some of these species-mnemosyne and apollo - are very stenobiont, probably polyxena is somehow better and the swallowtail with podalirium is so generally

Are there any tufts there?" And where do you get mnemosyne caterpillars from?
Well, to get hooked, you need to release at least 500 caterpillars probably )

Now Kharkovbut will fiercely scold for the introduction )))

All Mnemosyne population from Gusinaya Polyane will move to the Forest Park

Ouch!! X from my list of plants - how COULD I FORGET the different asparagus, ephedra, and leopoldia !!!
All right, Esox, now it's your turn to reveal biodiversity

Hemlock, yes, I confused, but the hogweed is somehow not the same ))

Okay, Esox, you'll flood, or you'll list the kind and types of your own that you've identified yourself ) I will even help you - you take what I have listed and write there-yes/no, well, add your own

And yes, Esox, first list your variety, and then-the name of that plant )

It says that there are a number of oral reports from 1970 to 1980. about the meetings of Donetsk entomologists with Apollo in the north-east of the region.

Yes, hardly. Full names of entomologists and collectors would be indicated. Although it's interesting - I didn't catch Apollons-if they are like Mnemosyne, then they are not strong flyers, IMHO you can't notice such a sensation and not catch it... I would chase to the last one.

But the whole point is that this thing grows in continuous thickets on disturbed lands, in the virgin steppe - scattered individual specimens.

Interesting.. I will clarify these data, simply, it is a perennial, refers to indicators of steppe communities and here..

Yes, hardly. Full names of entomologists and collectors would be indicated. Although it's interesting - I didn't catch Apollons-if they are like Mnemosyne, then they are not strong flyers, IMHO you can't notice such a sensation and not catch it... I would have chased to the last.

Here in the CC in principle

http://redbook-ua.org/ru/item/parnassius-apollo-linnaeus/

how many points - but all of them are "outdated"..

I don't know that, and Plantarium agrees with me.

Sage of the forest

Here in the CC in principle
http://redbook-ua.org/ru/item/parnassius-apollo-linnaeus/
how many points - but all of them are "outdated"..

donetsk dot here is an indication of the pre-Soviet period with missing material...

[/quote]You can either list the plants that you saw during the hike from which you posted the pictures, those plants that grow in that period[/quote]
You surprise me, Roma, the further you go, the more! What is "that campaign" and "that period"? There are also pictures for different months, even for different years! Any person who understands the phenology of flowering steppe plants would have noticed this in an instant!

 
You surprise me, Roma, the further you go, the more! What is "that campaign" and "that period"? There are also pictures for different months, even for different years! Any person who understands the phenology of flowering steppe plants would have noticed this in an instant!

Listen to Esox, don't be nervous, quote carefully ))
You already zayulit absolutely, what months, kaike years??
I'm talking about the period when you have blooming sage drooping, you posted pictures in the message number 77 there are moments of flowering / flowering of sage drooping.
Tell us about this period. Take as a basis any of your hike/hikes at this time, you have a lot of them )) and list the plants you picked at this time. What could be easier)))

That is, I have to list all the steppe plants I have encountered that bloom in the same period as drooping sage? Or all the plants that I saw during this period, including dry shoots, sprouts and underground parts? Still, you can't put two words together properly. Okay, I'll give you a fourth try. Finally, give your stream of consciousness a clear and unambiguous formulation.

That is, I have to list all the steppe plants I have encountered that bloom in the same period as drooping sage? Or all the plants that I saw during this period, including dry shoots, sprouts and underground parts? Still, you can't put two words together properly. Okay, I'll give you a fourth try. Finally, give your stream of consciousness a clear and unambiguous formulation.

Not well that at all

Here's a list of plant names..

Here are some plants that I met and photographed at that time - onosma, drooping sage, forest sage, Ethiopian sage, Pontic astragalus, broomrape, clematis, ashberry, catnip, meadowsweet, yurineya, dwarf almonds, pickles, rosehips, teren, yarrow tansy, gulyavnik, istod, parsnip, thyme, krestovnik, rogachka, black root, vechernitsa, bellevalia, plantain, wormwood, flax of three types, chistets, milkweed, rindera, dwarf and salt-loving irises, lastovenya, zopniki, various small astragalus, bluebells, clover, poppies, thistles, asparagus, ephedra, leopoldia, and even dream-grass, it also vegetates at this time.


which vegetate when the drooping sage blooms/fades - in our steppe.

Write:

1) What plants in your megastep are growing at this time from those listed in the list?
2) What plants do you have growing during the specified period that are not mentioned in this list?

Well? )

donetsk dot here is an indication of the pre-Soviet period with missing material...

Well, judging by what they wrote for our Apollons, there is supposedly only some Apollo from the Crimea, and that one is supposedly dubious. There don't seem to be any other instances.
But still IMHO, in the Carpathians there are many chances to find, it is certainly very difficult, but if you search, you can find anything

Yes, almost all steppe plants grow during the flowering period of sage drooping. Even ephemeroids do not completely die off aboveground parts, although, of course, you will not find them in the riot of other grasses. In general, you need to understand that you are actually interested in a simple thing that is not related to all sorts of sage: which of the plants listed by you are found in our country, and which are not. So? Duya to you, because you have identified 90% of your plants only to the genus, and most of these genera are distributed throughout the Palearctic, some of their representatives are found everywhere. And they vegetate during the flowering of that sage, because this is exactly the time when everything is vegetating in the northern temperate zone.

If you get it down to the type, then ask away. And ask simply and clearly, without any sage, hikes and periods: which of the below- (above-) listed plants are found in your "megastep"? Then, so be it, I will answer. In the meantime, stop tasting your poppies, it won't do you any good.

It's just some kind of tin))

All right, Ezox, I'll do it for you

Here are the plants from my list that grow in the megastepi of Esox during the specified period-drooping sage, forest sage, pickles, rosehips, teren, plantain, wormwood, chistets, milkweed, dwarf and salt-loving irises, zopniki, astragalus, clover, poppies, thistles, asparagus.

And the rest of those listed there-you, it turns out, do not have

And in general, Ezox, you drive..
Look, you're texting me in response to my sage photo: