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Reasons for the change in the number of swallowtails

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17.08.2015 0:35, Hierophis

Well, yes, a typical "working" Bombus vestalis, greetings from mayreptail. And perrvy really looks like a fragrance. Let, of course, Carcharot has a strong word to say, but it is very likely that in this particular case the point goes to the Nikolaev steppe.

Well, let it be a male, although I don't know, I don't remember when I took this photo))

17.08.2015 0:37, Hierophis

I was in Solontsy and Sagi in July, but I didn't see any pathos. I only imagined it once - it was an anglewort.

In what pine forests? Which are located in the south of the Tsyurupinsk arena?

I saw them in Oleshkovsky sands, east of Tsyuryupinsk, 10 km deep to the south, there are such huge willows, and the edges are lawns in the middle of pine trees, that's where they were, you need to look for a photo, I'll post it )

17.08.2015 0:39, Hierophis

And here's another)

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17.08.2015 0:42, ИНО

And not the fact that the male can be a female (to determine the sex of bumblebees by your smeared photos - this is only Karharot's strength, I pass). But it's definitely not a worker. Because this type of worker doesn't have any. This is the same type of bumblebee that you refused to identify on Mayreptail a month ago, treat sclerosis! However, then you did not refuse to determine the gender. And in vain.

17.08.2015 0:44, Hierophis

Carcharoth will have a good word to say

Carcharoth, how much does your word weigh? )) How many times heavier than the dominant? )

17.08.2015 0:45, ИНО

Bombus argillaceus is a mass species in Donetsk. But still leave your mobile phone at home and take a normal camera.

This post was edited by ENO - 17.08.2015 00: 47

17.08.2015 1:33, Hierophis

Well, yes, you didn't like the fact that laboratory technicians drink gold-containing drinks in practice, and in order not to succumb to this harmful influence, you left yourself.

I was just going to sleep)) But something was wrong, and then I remembered that lol.gif
Esox.. have you ever rolled tetrachloroaurate in practice? And how is it, well gets through, hands of golden steel? lol.gif

Yes, so I thought, well, it's nafik, I'd better go from there, and then as soon as you get hooked on this case, you'll work all your life for gold, so that you can drink drinks from it, well, for doctors too, because tetrachloroaurate, I'm afraid, will immediately make a hole from your throat to the very f. py lol.gif

17.08.2015 8:36, Кархарот

I'm pretty sure it's really B. fragrans. There is also a similar B. distinguendus (it differs in the muzzle of the face, which is not visible, and in smaller sizes), but it has nothing to do in the steppes. So, this is a very interesting find, it is a pity that it will remain unpublished, like the eastern hornet.

17.08.2015 12:40, Hierophis

I'm pretty sure it's really B. fragrans. There is also a similar B. distinguendus (it differs in the muzzle of the face, which is not visible, and in smaller sizes), but it has nothing to do in the steppes. So, this is a very interesting find, it is a pity that it will remain unpublished, like the eastern hornet.

Well, any entry in a source that has public access, and by the way, in a source that allows you to essentially produce "reviews" wink.gifis also a publication.
Well, in general, unlike a hornet, I don't have a dried bumblebee, and it's a pity to catch it smile.gif

After fishing, I tried to find a gallikus-alas.. Some nymphs came across and a bunch of dominulas. There don't seem to be any gallicuses on that steppe.
For lack of a better one)) weighed (15mm), most likely recently deceased, female dominula and live small male (14mm) dominula. 0.06 (7) and 0.08 (9) g
. The difference in weight will be attributed to the fact that the female managed to dry out)
Weighing a live sheet is not easy, it is clear that it is necessary to take a jar, calibrate the scales on it, put it there and weigh it, but because of the burying of the jar with your hands when you let the sheet in, there is an errorsmile.gif: Gloves are probably needed.
Measuring them with a barbell is also something else, a live male has an unstable abdominal size)) Dead polist too - it is not known in what condition his abdomen was when he was alive. In general, to measure them-complete garbage)
I'll use my binoculars to measure the wings and other fragments.
There will be time today-I will catch a nymph, germanica, dominula and weigh them all, especially interseno, which will show a nymph + dominula of approximately the same size wink.gif
Well, I will definitely get to halikus, let's look at the expert word of Carcharot about "twice"wink.gif)))

17.08.2015 14:49, ИНО

Well, I told you that your steppe is garbage - there aren't even any gallikuses.

17.08.2015 17:57, Hierophis

Well, I told you that your steppe is garbage - there aren't even any gallikuses.
In general, every person who has ever worked on a high-precision scale in their life knows that tweezers are needed.

What, THA took a sip, and perked up? lol.gif

Esox, do you even have such a quality as logical thinking? Which also allows you to take a broader look at the situation and understand that if you always go to the same beam, then I go to different places where everything is different ))

About tweezers-well, ixpert, what can I say, I would look at how to use tweezers to put a live sheet in a jar, close the lid behind it weep.gif
And to kill a polist for the sake of an experiment is inhumane umnik.gif

By the way, I thought that the difference in weight of a large dominant may well be close to 2xfold compared to a gallikus, but this does not save you, because there was no talk about weight )

17.08.2015 18:48, ИНО

17.08.2015 18:54, Hierophis

So the species diversity (not to be confused with the species richness) is not what you have...

Chet here I do not understand..
We have gallicuses, so both the species richness and diversity are on the same level. What does their number have to do with these concepts? This refers to "population balance," as Esox himself wrote recently. See tha diluted was today)))

Weighing results

Nymph
Dominated
Germanicus

0,11
0,1
0,08

The nymph is larger than the dominula by about 1mm, but most likely already it, I didn't even measure the germanic, and so barely caught it)
By the way, the nest of Germanicus - power and strength! Foraging is what you need)

17.08.2015 19:08, ИНО

What does the number have to do with it? Give me a definition of the concept of"species diversity".

Your weigh-in results are nothing. Where is the sample? By the way, I can get such accuracy of measurement on a Chinese pocket scale for 50 UAH, without hesitating to paw with my hands. Is the gyro stabilizer broken or something? In general, it's hard for me to understand how you manage to weigh a live wasp in a jar. She moves her legs, waves her antennae, and if she connects her wings, then she is generally an achtung. On your superanalytic scales, even the breathing movements of the abdomen, in theory, should affect. Meanwhile, there is an easy way to immobilize a wasp without the slightest harm to it. Put it in the freezer for a minute or two.

17.08.2015 19:42, Hierophis

Ezox, you are still 100% iskperd.. First of all, by the way, what makes you think that "there are no gallicuses"? Are you even a teacher, or a market woman? ))
Here, look - this is the very science lol.gif
Just because I didn't find any gallicuses doesn't mean they aren't there.

Well, about the scales - again ikspertny nonsense-first of all, the scales cost not 50 but 300 UAH, but this is then, now such - 700. You, Ezox, often see Chinese scales with such a measurement limit for 50 UAH? lol.gif

And about the freezer.. Esox, and the condensation that will appear on the cooled wasp will not affect the weight? Ixperd..

And about the selection .....
This is exactly the case when the sample is not needed, I'm talking about a comparative weighting of one, say, the smallest size, gallicus and one, large dominula to find the extreme weight difference. What's the sample, uluala? )) Clever words razkidyvaeshsya?
And before that, I have experimental weigh-ins umnik.gif
Here, unless of course, ideally, you need to choose the smallest and largest of many individuals, yes, but this is already the second case..
Sample, lol.gif

17.08.2015 20:04, ИНО

17.08.2015 20:18, Hierophis

As for the gallikus, I think that reading your expert grumbling, even Carcharoth will take it upon himself, even though he's taken it upon himself to protect you)

As for the scales, that is, you have a bad manner-to judge everyone by yourself, these Chinese scales are full of modifications, and if you have such, then others with a probability approaching 99% will have others with different functionality and price.
This is one time.
Secondly, I do not believe that such scales as you posted cost 40-60 UAH, especially if they are now 250, because prices for the entire Chinese region have risen no more than twice. And just such scales previously cost about 180 UAH on the market, and therefore in the Internet about 125, not 50))

I probably bought it myself for 180, well, at least I bought something useful and not a schmobler, and that's good ))))))

17.08.2015 20:38, Hierophis

I couldn't resist))))
Ezox, so why did you buy these scales to weigh gold for cooking tha? Uni is over, but the habit of drinking gold-containing drinks remains? lol.gif

Ezox, I can recommend, switch to AgNO3, it is much cheaper, but I think it also invigorates not bad, but you will save money, you will buy a cooler scale and a binocular weep.gif lol.gif

17.08.2015 20:45, ИНО

Faith is an individual matter for everyone. Well, how can I prove to you that in the winter of 2013 they cost an average of 50 UAH on Slando? In the same place on the site, the old information has already been rubbed, probably. So don't trust yourself.

Why did you buy the scales yourself? Dose the herb? Poppies - of course, we remember, we remember.

This post was edited by ENO-17.08.2015 20: 49

17.08.2015 21:04, Hierophis

Well, hello.. Now it turned out that the case was on Slando, that is, on the site for selling BU things))) In general, everything is clear..

Ezox, you'd better catch gallicus and dominula, weigh them, wipe your nose, so to speak, and show off your lab skills )

About grass and poppies - who cares what, and who has what hurts)

17.08.2015 21:27, ИНО

You yourself BOO: ukrovpeysky liar. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't say anything. Slando is a type of Ukrainian e-bey: who wants what, then sells it. If you want-used, if you want-new. Those scales cost around 50 UAH NEW. And in glamorous online stores, exactly the same products are many times more expensive. You probably got yours there, didn't you? In general, you are a strange electronics engineer - you don't know such elementary marketing things.

This post was edited by ENO-17.08.2015 21: 28

17.08.2015 21:28, Hierophis

By the way, about libra, and power, this time-the West))
In my mother's laboratory, I saw scales, accuracy up to 0.01 grams, so, this product of the USSR was almost the size of a comfortable household stove, weighing there is generally a ritual, there is not something like tweezers, it was impossible to breathe there, but the accuracy and repeatability of readings... There it was necessary to do 10 weigh-ins to be sure of the result.

Well, let's now compare the Chinese cheap scales, only they are conditionally Chinese-these are all American developments, piezoresistive, accelerometric and gyroscopic sensors have become so miniature, mass-produced and cheap that they are now integrated into almost any mobile phone. This is power, science, and progress.
The power of progress and science is then visible - when their product is available to everyone.
I pulled out a gyro sensor from a broken mobile phone - the size of a tablet )))

The size of the Russian nanotech is even afraid to imagine)

17.08.2015 21:30, Hierophis

You yourself BOO: ukrovpeysky liar. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't say anything. Slando is a type of Ukrainian e-bey: who wants what, then sells it. If you want-used, if you want-new. Those scales cost around 50 UAH NEW. And in glamorous online stores, exactly the same products are many times more expensive. You probably got yours there, didn't you? In general, you are a strange electronics engineer - you don't know such elementary marketing things.

lol.gif lol.gif lol.gif
Ooo got the clips)) Once again, everything is clear with you umnik.gif

and understand - on Slando, not only does everyone sell what they want, but also writes what they want! lol.gif
So buy, buy NEW ONES for 50 UAH weep.gif lol.gif

17.08.2015 21:46, ИНО

You're not exactly Roma BOO (see the abbreviation above). At our biofactory, these scales are made in the Soviet Union: http://www.laborkomplekt.ru/?page=7&sid=1&srid=9&iid=9
Read TH. What are the hundredths of g? Size, of course - you can't put it in your pocket, but it's VERY far from the gas stove. Weight 12 kg -but this is specifically so that microquakes of the building have less impact. And if you notice the platform closes to avoid the slightest breath of air (and you weigh a live running wasp in a jar - trash is rare). And they still work. Moreover, if they are one (or two?) at the biofactory department, then I'm even afraid to estimate how many at the chemical and physical faculty, so the product is quite mass - produced. Weighing there, of course, is a bit of a hemorrhoid, but the accuracy is at the level. Fully electronic imported analogues even now cost a fig, I was pricing them out. And your mother at work, probably, some kind of miracle-yudo, produced under Stalin (if you did not invent this story with your mother from beginning to end). Back then, the Americans you loved were similar (if not worse). If the Soviet Amers hadn't destroyed them, they would now be producing pocket electronic scales, just like my Chinese ones, but not lying at all and at a price of twenty rubles. That's it!

Once again about Slando: you can leave reviews about the seller there. Including that the purchased product turned out to be substandard. Some sellers even return money, so as not to spoil their reputation. This was not the case with these scales. Yes, and the scales are exactly the same as I then bought at the market for 70 or 100 UAH, I don't remember. Now I regret that I was too hasty. Also delivery from China, only more broth. Although then for me the difference is 20-30 UAH (including delivery, for which, of course, you would have to pay more than 50 UAH-directly to the courier service). By the way, I also sold something on Slando (I have been registered there since the ancient times when it was called "e-market"), so I can assure you that at least some of the goods sold there (mine) absolutely meet the description. How do you buy your hardware anyway? You go to the radio market and rummage in the trays, rummage, and then come back with empty hands, because the right thing has not yet been delivered and will not be delivered until next month? Well, in that case, you're just a hardened scoop, even if you think you're an advanced European.

One more thing: ads on Slando are free (without special ads). So you would also have served something: "Master nugget will repair tube televisions and babinny tape recorders, 25% discount for patriots of Ukraine, 50% for heroes of the ATO". Maybe you'll unwind.

This post was edited by ENO-17.08.2015 22: 06

17.08.2015 22:00, Hierophis

You're not exactly Roma BOO (see the abbreviation above). At our biofactory, these scales are made in the Soviet Union: http://www.laborkomplekt.ru/?page=7&sid=1&srid=9&iid=9
Read TH. What are the hundredths of g? Size, of course - you can't put it in your pocket, but it's VERY far from the gas stove. Weight 12 kg -but this is specifically so that microquakes of the building have less impact. And if you notice the platform closes to avoid the slightest breath of air (and you weigh a live running wasp in a jar - trash is rare). And they still work. Moreover, if they are one (or two?) at the biofactory department, then I'm even afraid to estimate how many at the chemical and physical faculty, so the product is quite mass - produced. Weighing there, of course, is a bit of a hemorrhoid, but the accuracy is at the level. Fully electronic imported analogues even now cost a fig, I was pricing them out. And your mother at work, probably, some kind of miracle-yudo, produced under Stalin (if you did not invent this story with your mother from beginning to end). Back then, the Americans you loved were similar (if not worse). If the Soviet Amers hadn't destroyed them, they would now be producing pocket electronic scales, just like my Chinese ones, but not lying at all and at a price of twenty rubles. That's it!


About mamamia weep.gif



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17.08.2015 22:02, Hierophis

And if you notice the platform closes to avoid the slightest breath of air (and you weigh a live running wasp in a jar - trash is rare).

And here it is more detailed...

Esox answer the question - if a wasp takes off in a closed jar - how will the weight change in relation to the situation when the wasp is sitting on the jar or running on it? ))))

17.08.2015 22:23, Hierophis

The master is a nugget... babin tape recorders...

And yes, listen, nugget.. lol.gif Enough THA nayarivat, soon instead of convolutions solid gold will be) What kind of babinny tape recorders still, and dedinny tape recorders are? ))

17.08.2015 22:29, ИНО

17.08.2015 23:00, Hierophis

 
Do you think the wasp will take off and hover in the middle of the jar without touching the walls? My answer to the question: in this case, the paramedics should be called urgently. Here's a better video trick to do: put a jar with a wasp trying to get out on your miracle scale, while simultaneously removing their display. And if the numbers there don't jump like your like-minded people on the Maidan, then I... no, I won't admit that I was wrong, but I'll just agree that your scales are shit.

Esox.. be more cultured, you are not in your university, but on a public resource! You can save your extreme comparisons for symposia lol.gif

Shortly. posdina ))
You can either answer properly but the question is

18.08.2015 0:02, ИНО

Yes, it's clear that this is the result of a gas station, and in the original there was not gold, but guess what. To be honest, for the first time I hear that some kind of tetrachloraurate is drunk. And I see you have some experience.

Theoretically, if the wasp hangs in the air inside the jar, then the scale readings will not change. But in practice, this cannot be the case. In practice, the wasp will beat inside the jar and the readings will dance as if a person were jumping on a floor scale. Got it?"

This post was edited by ENO-18.08.2015 00: 03

18.08.2015 0:45, Hierophis

Yes, it's clear that this is the result of a gas station, and in the original there was not gold, but guess what. To be honest, for the first time I hear that some kind of tetrachloraurate is drunk. And I see you have some experience.


The fact of the matter is that intuitively, of course, I understand that we are talking about alcohol) but what exactly you wrote there instead is that the gas station changed to "gold" - I can't guess until then )))

18.08.2015 1:51, ИНО

Alcohol. It said "alcoholic beverages". But where the gold came from, I don't understand myself, now mozilla offers only one correction option - "calcium-containing".

Well, I should have written right away that your scales are not only gyroscopic, but also some software crap. Guess what." But still, such scales personally arouse a strong suspicion in me. Kh. z. what they recognize as the truth there, and what they cut off. In normal, human high-precision scales, the last digit is almost always a sausage. And this is a sure sign that the machine is working(with). And you don't know at all at what point they are fixed, on what is supposed to be, or not. What if some fluctuation of, say, the table duration falls into the desired range? Or, on the contrary, the insect will mince its feet so often that the "brain" will not be able to distinguish between real weight and overload?

Roma, have you decided to arrange a night fishing trip for catfish on the Internet again? I don't sleep for some reason, of course-they shoot.

18.08.2015 7:18, Hierophis

Well, not for nothing it is called "mozilla", next time tsanidsoderzhaschie offer )) Only here you also have eyes, you need to read before posting ) Are you going to write articles like that in smart magazines too?) Or do you think Carcharoth will do the reading for you?"

Esox... all such scales have a program, without it they would not work) And the developers of all this probably thought about table fluctuations and other things, because these scales are analogous to more expensive and serious products, where the same programs and algorithms are used.
But of course, ixpert Ezox thought, and already found vulnerabilities )))

Ezoks, well, you yourself shouted - " puten enter!", so he introduced you, shout again, not only will they start shooting))

18.08.2015 10:06, Кархарот

Hierophis, I have now finally put aside the last little lingering doubts about your insanity.
And my strength to read this forum is no more. It's all nonsense.

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19.08.2015 20:48, Wave Storm

Oh, well. It's time to write on the topic.
I was today in the steppe gully in the Kherson region in the west of Berislav, looking for swallowtails.
Alas and ah. I found as many as 0 individuals. This is despite the fact that there are a lot of thickets of stallions there.
Maybe these are really waves of life, or maybe they were eaten by spiders or riders?
In any case, it is still too early to draw conclusions, you will need to check the sandy steppe at the end of this month and September.

This post was edited by Wave Storm - 08/19/2015 20: 49

19.08.2015 21:24, Nick444444

Oh, well. It's time to write on the topic.
I was today in the steppe gully in the Kherson region in the west of Berislav, looking for swallowtails.
Alas and ah. I found as many as 0 individuals. This is despite the fact that there are a lot of thickets of stallions there.
Maybe these are really waves of life, or maybe they were eaten by spiders or riders?
In any case, it is still too early to draw conclusions, you will need to check the sandy steppe at the end of this month and September.

You can look for local clusters of them smile.gif. Surprisingly, I found such a cluster in Gusinaya Polyana in the Kharkiv region. Approximately it is similar to the point in Yenakiyevo, and there are more wink.gifof them .
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21.08.2015 13:45, ИНО

I was called yesterday on the Donetsk Sea. On the adjacent vast deposits there is simply a darkness of flowering meandering toadstools:

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The soil there is unusual: not sand, but not chernozem. On the black earth, this stallion does not grow practically. I didn't see any swallowtail caterpillars, I only saw one butterfly in 10 hours, a small one. So the size of the swallowtail population clearly cannot be considered as a function of the number of forage plants, at least in our area.

As it turned out, in the mass, the flowering meandering stallion emits a very strong sweet aroma that attracts pollinators. But despite such a darkness of honeybees, no interesting species were noticed: only the most common bumblebees. honey bee, polystis, and in large numbers Eristalis tenax.

Closer to the shore, the green area smoothly turns into an undisturbed steppe of this type:

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It doesn't look like my megastep(tm), the flora is very different, for example, a variety-there are no such carnations in my beam:

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Another species grows in my beam - an elongated carnation. I haven't tried this one yet.

Also there grows some unknown to me hitherto species of umbrella, wormwood and onions:

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And the ubiquitous feather grass-volostik. No kemreks, no mytnik, no cutter, no veronica, no bluebells, not even asparagus-almost none of the steppe plants I have previously listed. Apparently, the difference in the soil cover affects. My megastep (tm) happens only on the best chernozem.

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21.08.2015 14:39, Кархарот

Unknown umbrella is a Russian gorichnik, and onions, most likely, are musky. I can't name cloves and wormwood, I don't know them either.
We have about the same picture near reservoirs - the steppe as such remains, but several times poorer than away from dams, fields and forest belts...

21.08.2015 16:36, ИНО

Thanks for the definition. There are enough forest belts there. The main difference is still, I think, in the soil. The " sea " itself is a former quarry for the extraction of some kind of shale (sand, it seems, but I can't say for sure, I'm not good at geology), and the land around it is appropriate-light brown, clearly not black soil. But it doesn't look like the sands of the Seversky Donets either: it's not loose at all, but rather clayey.

21.08.2015 16:53, Кархарот

Well, there may also be a question of "chicken and egg" - after all, good soils are formed as a result of the functioning of a "good" steppe. In general, geobotanics know better.

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