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Identification of Hymenoptera (wasps, bees, ants)

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01.12.2013 20:38, Кархарот

I would love to, but I don't have a camera, I can take a video)

The video will not work, you need good quality, a snapshot of the general view of both oss from the side and the male's head from the front.

01.12.2013 20:40, Кархарот

I was sorting through the photos and came across this picture. Mordovia, 17,06,2013. Tell me what kind of view.

Ancistrocerus, female. There are not enough angles to the view, if it was in the Crimea, I would say that it is A. antilope, since other species in our country have a different color. But in Mordovia, they can also be colored darker, like this instance.

01.12.2013 22:03, KingSnake

Ancistrocerus, female. There are not enough angles to the view, if it was in the Crimea, I would say that it is A. antilope, since other species in our country have a different color. But in Mordovia, they can also be colored darker, like this instance.

We have, in fact, 5 species (reliably registered):
Ancistrocerus antilope, A. gazella, A. nigricornis, A. parietum и A. trifasciatus. Who can be other than antilope?
http://nature-mordovia.ru/index.php?option...id=212&Itemid=1

This post was edited by KingSnake - 01.12.2013 22: 04

01.12.2013 23:20, Коллекционер

The video will not work, you need good quality, a snapshot of the general view of both oss from the side and the male's head from the front.

I'll try again tomorrow)

02.12.2013 14:58, Коллекционер

Here, I hope you can see everything you need https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNiucIn3lYA&feature=youtu.be

02.12.2013 15:22, Кархарот

We have, in fact, 5 species (reliably registered):
Ancistrocerus antilope, A. gazella, A. nigricornis, A. parietum и A. trifasciatus. Who can be other than antilope?
http://nature-mordovia.ru/index.php?option...id=212&Itemid=1

Of these, it is unlikely that anything else can be. A. gazella and A. parietum should still have spots on the chest, A. trifasciatus has fewer bandages and a slimmer body, and A. nigricornis (like A. gazella) has sharper shoulder angles.

02.12.2013 15:28, Кархарот

Here, I hope you can see everything you need https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNiucIn3lYA&feature=youtu.be

It was a pair of A. trifasciatus, the male looks quite normal, see fig. http://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id224174/
But in A. parietinus it is not so.

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02.12.2013 16:41, Коллекционер

It was a pair of A. trifasciatus, the male looks quite normal, see fig. http://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id224174/
But in A. parietinus it is not so.

thank you, it turns out the determinant of the subvel

05.12.2013 17:05, Коллекционер

I don't understand what kind of species is Sceliphron curvatum ? or someone else, the color of the legs knocks down
http://youtu.be/_wOmG4ee7gI

05.12.2013 17:13, AVA

I don't understand what kind of species is Sceliphron curvatum ? or someone else, the color of the legs knocks down
http://youtu.be/_wOmG4ee7gI


The color varies greatly. Look at the mid-spine sculpture. If with regular transverse ribs - S. deforme, if the sculpture is irregular (leathery-ribbed) - S. curvatum.
In fact, these two types require good research - there are too many questions about them. confused.gif
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05.12.2013 20:24, Коллекционер

and with this one, even the gender can't be determined
http://youtu.be/xuXRsnbpypk

06.12.2013 1:06, AVA

and with this one, even the gender can't be determined
http://youtu.be/xuXRsnbpypk


Come on... smile.gif
This is a female Liris niger [Crabronidae]
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06.12.2013 13:47, Коллекционер

Come on... smile.gif
This is a female Liris niger [Crabronidae]

So she's from Crabronid.. here I am loshara, I put her first to them, and then for some reason I took her to the pompils.. thank you)) mol.gif

06.12.2013 22:58, lunkov

Xylocopa latipes (Drury, 1773)was recognized by the great black bees
For small ones, I have no idea...
Maybe someone is interested, I can change to butterflies. I'm in Moscow, there's no forwarding.
Caught: Indonesia, Bali, Kuta, 15.11.2013
W 8°42 '55.45" S
D 115°10 '25.47" H

Offers on lunkov1970@yandex.ru

This post was edited by lunkov - 06.12.2013 23: 03

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07.12.2013 14:11, AVA

Xylocopa latipes (Drury, 1773)was recognized by the great black bees
For small ones, I have no idea...
Maybe someone is interested, I can change to butterflies. I'm in Moscow, there's no forwarding.
Caught: Indonesia, Bali, Kuta, 15.11.2013
W 8°42 '55.45" S
D 115°10 '25.47" H

Offers on lunkov1970@yandex.ru


Bottom row (left):
Polistes sp. 1-female
Polistes sp. 2-female
Vespa velutina-female (there are several subspecies, but the definition from the photo is doubtful. Possibly V. velutina ardens)
Vespa crabro-female
Polistes sp. 2-male
Photos are usually not sufficient to identify oriental polistes.

Question!!! Are you sure about the collection location of the 4th instance on the left?
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07.12.2013 20:19, akulich-sibiria

Krasnoyarsk, Ostepnenny slope, approx. 11 mm. Quite similar to cavifrons, except for one thing, this instance has a gap. a segment in a rough cellular sculpture. On the sides there are rather clear raised edges.
The length of the 3rd member is more than 3 times the width. Platypus with an angular middle part, one tooth on each side. Similar again to cavifrons, but the teeth are located at a greater distance from the median part. Midrib in very frequent spots, opaque, short grooves form behind. The sides of the mid-chest are slightly wrinkled longitudinally. The sides of the posterior chest are covered with long, thick fine wrinkles.
Perhaps it is a female Ectemnius lapidarius ????? confused.gif
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This post was edited by akulich-sibiria - 07.12.2013 20: 20

07.12.2013 23:19, akulich-sibiria

Krasnoyarsk, ostepnenny meadow, when mowing. About 12 mm in size. Is this a male Eumenes coronatus? Hind legs are almost without dark spots, light red, with a small black spot near the apex. The front basins are covered with long light hairs. 2nd sternite without long hairs. 1 and 2 tergites with raised hairs. There are no long hairs on the trim, but they may have just worn off…
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08.12.2013 13:46, lunkov

Bottom row (left):
Polistes sp. 1-female
Polistes sp. 2-female
Vespa velutina-female (there are several subspecies, but the definition from the photo is doubtful. Possibly V. velutina ardens)
Vespa crabro-female
Polistes sp. 2-male
Photos are usually not sufficient to identify oriental polistes.

Question!!! Are you sure about the collection location of the 4th instance on the left?


Yes, I forgot to write it. 4th specimen on the left (female hornet) caught in the Moscow region.

08.12.2013 15:54, akulich-sibiria

is it Polistes nympha?
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08.12.2013 16:25, akulich-sibiria

Krasnoyarsk, the bank of the reservoir. about 15 mm. is it Dolichovespula saxonica?
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08.12.2013 21:07, AVA

is it Polistes nympha?


Yes, female
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08.12.2013 21:08, AVA

Krasnoyarsk, the bank of the reservoir. about 15 mm. is it Dolichovespula saxonica?


Yes, working specimen
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09.12.2013 2:43, akulich-sibiria

Alexander, can you say something about the first Ectemnius?

09.12.2013 10:55, Кархарот

Krasnoyarsk, ostepnenny meadow, when mowing. About 12 mm in size. Is this a male Eumenes coronatus? Hind legs are almost without dark spots, light red, with a small black spot near the apex. The front basins are covered with long light hairs. 2nd sternite without long hairs. 1 and 2 tergites with raised hairs. There are no long hairs on the trim, but they may have just worn off…

I can't say for sure yet, but I doubt it's E. coronatus. I'll try to look in the collections, it seems that there were similar ones from your edges.

09.12.2013 11:48, akulich-sibiria

I can't say for sure yet, but I doubt it's E. coronatus. I'll try to look in the collections, it seems that there were similar ones from your edges.



So I have suspicions caused Females coronatus is, there are no males, there is nothing to compare. If necessary, I can make other angles.

09.12.2013 12:34, AVA

Alexander, can you say something about the first Ectemnius?


These are my thoughts.
The shape of the platypus most closely resembles that of the female Ectemnius lapidarius.
Unfortunately, even in the 4th image, the back side of the propodeum is poorly visible. Take a closer look for yourself - in Ectemnius lapidarius, it should be bounded by clear ridges not only from above (as can be seen in the picture), but also on the sides.

09.12.2013 12:40, AVA

Yes, I forgot to write it. The 4th specimen on the left (a female hornet) was caught in the Moscow region.


Hm... You have lifted the stone from my soul. smile.gif
Just Vespa crabro, although the most common hornet, but in Southeast Asia it has not yet been recorded.

09.12.2013 13:23, akulich-sibiria

Well, I think I found it, but it's extremely difficult to film it....I looked at the views that I have, all of them dotted with gaps.the skin is quite soft, not so coarse-meshed.

09.12.2013 13:41, akulich-sibiria

I can't say for sure yet, but I doubt it's E. coronatus. I'll try to look in the collections, it seems that there were similar ones from your edges.



by default. parts of coronatus disappear due to the presence of a long pubescence on the 2nd stubble and on the base of the platypus, although these features are not indicated in the DV. By default. plague lunulatus, sternite with yellow bandages. What is the connection between E. lunulatus and E. coarctatus lunulatus
On DV come out in the form of a yellow spot on the forehead again on coronatus.
basins are medium. and rear view.the legs have long hairs only on the outside. The hind legs are red, without black spots, the thighs are almost completely black. confused.gif

This post was edited by akulich-sibiria-09.12.2013 14: 02

09.12.2013 19:03, Кархарот

E. lunulatus and E. coarctatus lunulatus are the same thing. And it's not him. But just E. coarctatus can be. You've taken everything you need, you just can't see very well. Wait, I haven't reached the collection yet...

09.12.2013 19:15, akulich-sibiria

Yes, I already saw that it wasn't him. Still, there are hairs raised on the 2nd stubble, they are smaller than in coronatus, but longer than in coarctatus, I found two pieces of the second type, they are smaller, there are spots on the sides of the 2nd tertite. The platypus is similar in shape, but the first member of this specimen is completely black, while the previously defined coarctatus has a bright yellow front.

09.12.2013 19:20, akulich-sibiria

what are the clear differences between Ancistrocerus trifasciatus and ichneumonideus? I gathered them in a pile. I look at it, but I can't understand it...I found one with a clear rounded second sternite and a longer second segment of the abdomen, as well as individuals with a flat 2nd sternite and a shorter 2nd segment of the abdomen. Are there any individuals that have both these and other signs that you should pay more attention to? on the color or still the shape and ratio of the segments of the abdomen ?

09.12.2013 20:03, Кархарот

Yes, I already saw that it wasn't him. Still, there are hairs raised on the 2nd stubble, they are smaller than in coronatus, but longer than in coarctatus, I found two pieces of the second type, they are smaller, there are spots on the sides of the 2nd tertite. The platypus is similar in shape, but the first member of this specimen is completely black, while the previously defined coarctatus has a bright yellow front.

I found a male similar to eumenes from the Irkust region in my collection, in my opinion, both he and yours are E. glacialis. Mine differs only in a longer frontal spot and the fact that the last three segments of the antennae are red. But these are not specific features.
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09.12.2013 20:06, Кархарот

what are the clear differences between Ancistrocerus trifasciatus and ichneumonideus? I gathered them in a pile. I look at it, but I can't understand it...I found one with a clear rounded second sternite and a longer second segment of the abdomen, as well as individuals with a flat 2nd sternite and a shorter 2nd segment of the abdomen. Are there any individuals that have both these and other signs that you should pay more attention to? on the color or still the shape and ratio of the segments of the abdomen ?

Of course, the shape is more important than the color. But we need to look, maybe it's something else altogether. There is a good site, here - http://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id224167/
here - http://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id224168/
here - http://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id224173/
and so - http://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id224174/
Compare, I think you can handle smile.gif

09.12.2013 20:07, akulich-sibiria

Krasnoyarsk. approx. 9 mm. Female Symmorphus. Front vertical. part of the 1st seed of the abdomen is clearly smaller than its horizontal one. part. Top in rough spots, the edges of the horizon. the parts are evenly narrowed to the base, slightly expanded at the top. Sides of the gap. there is no sharp raised edge, there are only wrinkles. There are no yellow stripes on the 3rd tergite. In general, there are few yellow spots on the body. The legs are mostly black, and the legs are also almost completely black. The sides of the mid-chest are shiny, with occasional rough spots. The front edges of the pronotum are pointed in the form of teeth. The hairs on the body are quite long. By default. I'm going out on S. mutiensis (=sinuatus). By DV on S. angustatus
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09.12.2013 20:10, akulich-sibiria

Of course, the shape is more important than the color. But we need to look, maybe it's something else altogether. There is a good site, here - http://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id224167/
here - http://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id224168/
here - http://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id224173/
and so - http://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id224174/
Well, I think you can handle it smile.gif


I found the male trifasciatus clearly there, and I assigned one female (already when I saw the shape of the second sternite on the example of other species) from trifasciatus to scoticus. The problem is in some females, but I think I'll try to figure it out. wink.gif Thank you for the links. Yes, a good site, I visit here.

09.12.2013 20:16, akulich-sibiria

I found a male similar to eumenes from the Irkust region in my collection, in my opinion, both he and yours are E. glacialis. Mine differs only in a longer frontal spot and the fact that the last three segments of the antennae are red. But these are not specific features.


Yes, I first went to the DV to see this view, but I was confused by the shape of the spot on the forehead, mine is clearly rounded, even in coarctatus it is slightly more protruding forward.

09.12.2013 20:16, Кархарот

Krasnoyarsk. approx. 9 mm. Female Symmorphus. Front vertical. part of the 1st seed of the abdomen is clearly smaller than its horizontal one. part. Top in rough spots, the edges of the horizon. the parts are evenly narrowed to the base, slightly expanded at the top. Sides of the gap. there is no sharp raised edge, there are only wrinkles. There are no yellow stripes on the 3rd tergite. In general, there are few yellow spots on the body. The legs are mostly black, and the legs are also almost completely black. The sides of the mid-chest are shiny, with occasional rough spots. The front edges of the pronotum are pointed in the form of teeth. The hairs on the body are quite long. By default. I'm going out on S. mutiensis (=sinuatus). By DV on S. angustatus

S. angustatus has rounded shoulder angles. I think it's S. bifasciatus (=mutiensis, =sinuatus). It doesn't differ much from the ones I have. even in terms of color.
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09.12.2013 20:17, Кархарот

Yes, I first went to the DV to see this view, but I was confused by the shape of the spot on the forehead, mine is clearly rounded, even in coarctatus it is slightly more protruding forward.

Well, we can't just pick out a new species based on a spot, and it doesn't fit the others. In a good way, you need to look at the genitals, but I haven't figured them out yet.
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10.12.2013 5:32, akulich-sibiria

Well, we can't just pick out a new species based on a spot, and it doesn't fit the others. In a good way, you need to look at the genitals, but I haven't figured them out yet.


Well, the genitals are no problem, the practice is already there, I don't think that they have something else there smile.gif
Well, yes, we can't do it on the spot, just one of the first signs was indicated for DV, I think there were just no others.
It would be nice to show all the animals personally wink.gif shuffle.gif

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