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Identification of Hymenoptera (wasps, bees, ants)

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18.11.2012 17:46, akulich-sibiria

Definitely not Symmorphus angustatus, I found it in my collection.
It reminds me of Ancistrocerus parietinus or A. oviventris (if you close your eyes to the longitudinal furrow on the first tergum). They have such notauli and parietal fossae, and the characteristic feature is a very wide second segment of the abdomen. As for the furrow , you've seen that it can even be found in Odynerus (or Gymnomerus, I don't remember what it was).
Check the second sternite from the side, its leg obscures.



I'll take a look, and what should happen to the second sternite?
A little later I will post another photo of a strange wasp, my signs differ between Allodynerus and Stenodynerus, perhaps something else.

18.11.2012 19:09, AVA

Dolichovespula sylvestris ?
Germany


No, Dolichovespula media.
Look at the lower corners of the sides of the prothorax. There should be clear oblique edges.

18.11.2012 19:15, AVA

by the way, I found an article that there are 2 varieties in Germany-Vespa crabro germana and Vespa crabro crabro
http://www.aktion-wespenschutz.de/Wespenar.../horniUnten.HTM


Varietals are just color forms. And you write them as subspecies. I specifically gave you just above your post all the data on the junior synonyms of the specific name Vespa crabro. And V. crabro germana just appears among them. And this is not just speculation, but the result of studying all the type specimens, as well as a lot of comparative materials throughout the entire range of this species. And the fact that amateur collectors, having taken a specimen from different places, believe them to be representatives of different taxonomic groups is their deep delusion.

18.11.2012 19:21, akulich-sibiria

in the vicinity of Krasnoyarsk. about 10 mm. The first tergite without a sharp break between the vertical and horizontal parts. Sides of the gap. segments without sharp lateral keels, rounded. The longitudinal keel in the center of the segment goes to the rear of the hull. The mustache is completely black. The punctuation of the back and head is dense, dense. The lateral corners of the pronotum are angular. 1-3 tergites with yellow bandages on top, on the 4th tergite torn into spots. Wing caps are dark with small yellow spots, dotted along the outer edge in rare large dots.
as a variant of Allodynerus rossii.
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18.11.2012 19:22, akulich-sibiria

Alexander, you can view the above posted photos on the account of Ectemnius schlettereri

18.11.2012 19:35, akulich-sibiria

Definitely not Symmorphus angustatus, I found it in my collection.
It reminds me of Ancistrocerus parietinus or A. oviventris (if you close your eyes to the longitudinal furrow on the first tergum). They have such notauli and parietal fossae, and the characteristic feature is a very wide second segment of the abdomen. As for the furrow , you've seen that it can even be found in Odynerus (or Gymnomerus, I don't remember what it was).
Check the second sternite from the side, its leg obscures.


Yes, if you ignore the indented strip on the first tergite, then it is very suitable for parietinus, the second sternite is evenly rounded, the rollers at the base are strongly developed, in the middle longer than on the sides. True, I have a female as determined, now they do not fit together. And the color of the platypus in this case plays a role, in the previously defined one it is completely black, with a part of the platypus adjacent to the antennae smeared with a couple of spots. Confuses straight, not rounded 2 sternite, although the rollers are also developed that this specimen has. (we have already discussed the first copy here.)

This post was edited by akulich-sibiria - 18.11.2012 19: 57

18.11.2012 20:06, gstalker

No, Dolichovespula media.
Look at the lower corners of the sides of the prothorax. There should be clear oblique edges.

Thanks !
I also already doubted about sylvestris after looking here http://www.bwars.com/index.php?q=wasp/vesp...hovespula-media

19.11.2012 17:28, Кархарот

in the vicinity of Krasnoyarsk. about 10 mm. The first tergite without a sharp break between the vertical and horizontal parts. Sides of the gap. segments without sharp lateral keels, rounded. The longitudinal keel in the center of the segment goes to the rear of the hull. The mustache is completely black. The punctuation of the back and head is dense, dense. The lateral corners of the pronotum are angular. 1-3 tergites with yellow bandages on top, on the 4th tergite torn into spots. Wing caps are dark with small yellow spots, dotted along the outer edge in rare large dots.
as a variant of Allodynerus rossii.

Definitely not him. I would define as Gymnomenus laevipes scandinavicus.

19.11.2012 17:35, Кархарот

Yes, if you ignore the indented strip on the first tergite, then it is very suitable for parietinus, the second sternite is evenly rounded, the rollers at the base are strongly developed, in the middle longer than on the sides. True, I have a female as determined, now they do not fit together. And the color of the platypus in this case plays a role, in the previously defined one it is completely black, with a part of the platypus adjacent to the antennae smeared with a couple of spots. Confuses straight, not rounded 2 sternite, although the rollers are also developed that this specimen has. (we have already discussed the first copy here.)

In fact, A. parietinus still has rounded sternite. I can't find this message. Can you take a photo of both instances (the second sternite on the side)? The fact is that in A. oviventris, the elevation of sternite is not very pronounced, you need to fill your eye. The color varies geographically, in the same A. oviventris the platypus can be from pure yellow to pure black. A. prietinus I have from Novosibirsk, it is also colored like this one above.

P.S. Still, it is difficult to determine the os from the photo.

19.11.2012 18:34, akulich-sibiria

Definitely not him. I would define it as Gymnomenus laevipes scandinavicus.


BINGO!! 100% hit rate. It's really him. I was confused by the teguls. Indeed, they are smaller and rounded from the inside. Tentacles of 4 segments. Very poorly visible are two parietal pits, which are closely located and poorly visible due to rough dotted lines, as well as the shape of the platypus and, of course, the structure of the mandibles, the 4th prong at a greater distance, in front of which there is a deep notch. And the distribution of this particular subspecies is indicated in the DV! jump.gif

19.11.2012 18:43, Кархарот

BINGO!! 100% hit rate. It's really him. I was confused by the teguls. Indeed, they are smaller and rounded from the inside. Tentacles of 4 segments. Very poorly visible are two parietal pits, which are closely located and poorly visible due to rough dotted lines, as well as the shape of the platypus and, of course, the structure of the mandibles, the 4th prong at a greater distance, in front of which there is a deep notch. And the distribution of this particular subspecies is indicated in the DV! jump.gif

I have one specimen of this species with no parietal pits at all, so anything can happen... What is bingo?
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19.11.2012 18:56, Mantispid

I have one specimen of this species with no parietal pits at all, so anything can happen... What is bingo?

Bingo is a game in which numbers are randomly selected, and players must fill in the corresponding numbers on their cards. The first player to fill out the card in accordance with the rules of the draw wins. To indicate his winnings, he usually shouts " Bingo!".
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19.11.2012 19:00, akulich-sibiria

photo 2 sternite, tried on the side, rounded. At the base, the longitudinal rollers are variously long in the middle and along the edges.
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and here is a photo of the previously discussed copy, also signed parietinus, the difference from parietum is in the form of rollers, I have parietum, it has rollers of the same length throughout.
In this specimen, the shape of the 2nd sternite is flatter, in my opinion almost flat.
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19.11.2012 19:03, akulich-sibiria

Bingo is a game in which numbers are randomly selected, and players must fill in the corresponding numbers on their cards. The first player to fill out the card in accordance with the rules of the draw wins. To indicate his winnings, he usually shouts " Bingo!".


Well, not so very close to the direct meaning I had in mind. It just sounds like a 100% hit to us. Thank you Ilya for the clear wording smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

19.11.2012 19:28, Кархарот

photo 2 sternite, tried on the side, rounded. At the base, the longitudinal rollers are variously long in the middle and along the edges.
and here is a photo of the previously discussed copy, also signed parietinus, the difference from parietum is in the form of rollers, I have parietum, it has rollers of the same length throughout.
In this specimen, the shape of the 2nd sternite is flatter, in my opinion almost flat.

My leg is blocking it anyway, I can't understand it. I tried to take a picture myself, but I still have to train. Take a look, maybe it will help, there is no doubt about the definition.

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19.11.2012 19:41, akulich-sibiria

Well, I would say that the shape is similar to the second one I gave, not a rounded shape, but a flattened one....The first one is more rounded, right now ...I'll break off his leg...I'll try again.))

19.11.2012 19:44, akulich-sibiria

although you have it photographed at an angle of a little, I looked at my own at the same angle, the same thing (I'm talking now about the instance that we talked about on this page initially.)

19.11.2012 19:49, Кархарот

It seems to me that your second and my second are the same (A. parietinus) and I call it a rounded shape smile.gif

19.11.2012 19:51, akulich-sibiria

neither can I catch the sharpness of the line..well here are some more pictures
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19.11.2012 19:53, akulich-sibiria

It seems to me that your second one and my second one are the same (A. parietinus) and I call it a rounded shape smile.gif


well, the fact that they are the same, I will agree, and the fact that it is rounded, I will accept as a fact. smile.gif Of course, I would like to show my OS specialists. Maxim Proschalykin isn't going to see you there? ))) I would find an opportunity to pass ))))

19.11.2012 19:55, akulich-sibiria

then I have it in these photos is not round, and spherical like ))))

19.11.2012 20:13, Кархарот

well, the fact that they are the same, I will agree, and the fact that it is rounded, I will accept as a fact. smile.gif Of course, I would like to show my OS specialists. Maxim Proschalykin isn't going to see you there? ))) I would find an opportunity to pass ))))

You probably shouldn't have broken your leg, I still don't understand. You need to look for yourself (experience is not enough from the photo, and unfamiliar fauna). But it seems to be a different view.
Maxim visited us in September, and it is unlikely that he will go again in the near future. But on occasion, I would look with pleasure at your material, especially since you do not have many types. If everything works out, I'll go to ZIN next fall, and you can send it there sometime.

19.11.2012 20:16, akulich-sibiria

maybe. Yes, I don't have many types here at all. )))

20.11.2012 13:13, gumenuk

Sawyer - 1. View - ???
Moscow region, Ramenskiy district, Khripan. Date - in the file name.

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28.11.2012 1:01, Evgeniy Ribalchenko

In general, I have little experience in identifying hymenoptera yet. it seems that the views are simple, but you need confirmation from knowledgeable people. cool.gif
all collected in Poltava region
No. 1 and No. 2-collected from one ear of cereals on the bank of the Vorskla River in mid-June 2011.
No. 3 and No. 4 - woodlands. early August 2011.
the rest are young pine trees on the sands. early August 2012
but in bembiks confused white stripes

This post was edited by Evgeny Ribalchenko - 28.11.2012 01: 14

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28.11.2012 9:54, Раду Кибзий

Hello! Tell me, please, what is the Latin name of these ants? Thanks! April 16, 2011, roc. Chisinau.

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28.11.2012 13:02, guest: Nikittokkk

Maybe Formica sp.
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28.11.2012 19:00, Mistes

Please help me identify these types:
1.
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It seems to be some ichneumon, maybe Ichneumon stramentor - but the black hind legs and the lack of spots on the back are confusing.
2.
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3.
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Bumblebee, but which one? smile.gif
I really look forward to your help. smile.gif

28.11.2012 23:12, stierlyz

Well, the photo of ants from Chisinau, to put it mildly, is not very detailed, but it is clearly not Formica, rather Myrmica.
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29.11.2012 8:17, gumenuk

Sawyer DSC06064.jpg. View - ???
Moscow region, Ramenskiy district, Khripan. 23.06.2012.

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29.11.2012 9:38, akulich-sibiria

Sawyer DSC06064.ypg. View - ???
Moscow region, Ramenskiy district, Khripan. 23.06.2012.

similar to Rhogogaster viridis (Linnaeus, 1758)

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29.11.2012 10:01, gumenuk

Pililshchik 7949. View - ???
Moscow region, Ramenskiy district, Khripan. 11.07.2012

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29.11.2012 17:28, guest: nikittokkk

Well, the photo of ants from Chisinau, to put it mildly, is not very detailed, but this is clearly not Formica, rather Myrmica.


In my head - mirmika, but for some reason I wrote formica
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29.11.2012 18:48, Раду Кибзий

Well, the photo of ants from Chisinau, to put it mildly, is not very detailed, but this is clearly not Formica, rather Myrmica.

So-Myrmica (Myrmica). The view of course can not be determined from this photo! wall.gif

30.11.2012 3:32, Liparus

In general, I have little experience in identifying hymenoptera yet. it seems that the views are simple, but you need confirmation from knowledgeable people. cool.gif 
all collected in Poltava region
No. 1 and No. 2-collected from one ear of cereals on the bank of the Vorskla River in mid-June 2011.
No. 3 and No. 4 - woodlands. early August 2011.
the rest are young pine trees on the sands. early August 2012
but in bembiks confused white stripes

Sphex funerarius m
Prionyx sp. m
Scolia sexmaculata sexmaculata m
Scolia hirta hirta f
Colpa quinquecincta m
Scolia hirta hirta f
Bembix rostrata
Bembix rostrata
Bembix rostrata

30.11.2012 14:37, Evgeniy Ribalchenko

Sphex funerarius m
Prionyx sp. m
Scolia sexmaculata sexmaculata m
Scolia hirta hirta f
Colpa quinquecincta m
Scolia hirta hirta f
Bembix rostrata
Bembix rostrata
Bembix rostrata

that's thanks smile.gifin principle, and assumed. but about the first two wasps, I thought that this was such a sexual dimorphism in Sphex funerarius, since the wasps were removed in pairs from one inflorescence in the evening, apparently, they slept holding the ear with their mandibles.

30.11.2012 14:42, Evgeniy Ribalchenko

and at least there are options about the type of this Prionyx? do we have many similar ones?
maybe something more specific to shoot to help determine?

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30.11.2012 15:32, Liparus

Prionyx lividocinctus

30.11.2012 16:52, Evgeniy Ribalchenko

Arthur, thank you so much. the second batch of road sedges and bees for identification.
Poltava region, city of Poltava, Leninsky district, right bank of the river. Vorskla, deciduous forest, on the inflorescences of Canadian goldenrod.
August 10, 2012

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30.11.2012 19:03, Mantispid

Arthur, thank you so much. the second batch of road sedges and bees for identification.
Poltava region, city of Poltava, Leninsky district, right bank of the river. Vorskla, deciduous forest, on the inflorescences of Canadian goldenrod.
August 10, 2012

IMG_2661-Batozonellus lacerticida (Pallas, 1771)
IMG_2649-Cryptocheilus versicolor (Scopoli, 1763)
IMG_2655, IMG_2658 and IMG_2659 - Philanthus triangulum (Fabricius, 1775)

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