Identification of beetles (Coleoptera)

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06.11.2009 13:13, Victor Titov

Upis ceramboides Linnaeus, 1758-это. On a birch tree?

I'm not an expert on these beetles, but maybe it's not the same species?
The applicant from Kazakhstan has at least different shin shapes.
And so it turns out something incredible: a birch tree in the Moscow region and a dune in Kazakhstan...

Yes, there is nothing like it!!!
Either an error in the label, or ... I don't know.

Yes, very strange (I mean the biotope in which the beetle, according to Justus ' report, was found). I wonder if this is a single specimen over a long period of time, individual finds over a long period of time, or even a small series "at a time"? Otherwise, we also have a single specimen of Lucanus cervus in the Yaroslavl region, found according to the label near Yaroslavl. But we are very critical of it, prudently and reasonably do not rush to declare the inclusion of deer in the fauna of Yaroslavl region.

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06.11.2009 14:17, Liparus

...Otherwise, we also have a single specimen of Lucanus cervus in the Yaroslavl region, found according to the label near Yaroslavl. But we are very critical of it, prudently and reasonably do not rush to declare the inclusion of deer in the fauna of Yaroslavl region.

Well, everything is pretty clear, most likely the beetle was brought in somehow or the label was mixed up.
My znapkomoy has in the collection a nymphalid from the Crimea dated 1900, Ivy said that this is the second find from the Crimea.And Vladimir Savchuk who traveled all over the Crimea up and down said that they do not have this nymphalid in the Crimea.Like Limenitis ?camilla (Linnaeus, 1763)

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06.11.2009 22:51, Victor Titov

Otherwise, we also have a single specimen of Lucanus cervus in the Yaroslavl region, found according to the label near Yaroslavl. But we are very critical of it, prudently and reasonably do not rush to declare the inclusion of deer in the fauna of Yaroslavl region.

Well, everything is pretty clear, most likely the beetle was brought in somehow or the label was mixed up.

A deer beetle was brought alive to one of the participants of our forum by his friend, who reported that he found it in the vicinity of Yaroslavl, indicating a specific point. Interestingly, this point has a name that indicates the historical presence of oak forests there. The label is written from the words of this person who found the beetle. This person, who is trustworthy, absolutely does not need to mislead our forumchanin. Therefore, the option with confusion in the label is completely excluded. But the option of" skidding " the beetle, of course, is not only not excluded, but also more than likely. Although, again, it is interesting that this instance is a male of the form, so to speak, super minor. Unfortunately, subsequent searches at the specified point did not yield any results (which, in general, was quite expected).

But still, are these your fees? It's just that, despite the thousands of beetles collected, I can definitely remember almost every beetle, if it's not a mass species. This is certainly not a mass "on the dunes"! Don't you remember if you collected it yourself?

Likewise, dear evk! I also remember the points where I found my most notable trophies.

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07.11.2009 16:08, Юстус

But still, are these your fees? It's just that, despite the thousands of beetles collected, I can definitely remember almost every beetle, if it's not a mass species. This is certainly not a mass "on the dunes"! Don't you remember if you collected it yourself?
Just a very improbable beetle for the place you specified.

"After all," this is my training camp. I, too," despite "the dozens (not" thousands "or even hundreds) of beetles collected, remember so far (although it would be possible to make a discount on age) not "every beetle", of course, but their families tied to the collection sites. At that time, there was no big (genus-species) difference between beetles, in particular, for me (as current experience shows, the matter did not go far ahead). The purpose of this "sortie" was far from entomology. Insects "korobchilis" only in order that "good" is not "wasted". Among other things, there were also "chernotelki". My "non-specialist" view (which had the experience of identification, not going far beyond a large summer workshop on invertebrate zoology) distinguished only 3 species, which were taken.
As for the "mass character", as a result-they (these beetles) on needles 2 pcs. Thus, it seems to me that "delivery" is unlikely (especially taking into account the "remoteness" of the place from the paths "found" by nonresidents; the locals, when they saw me for the first time with binoculars sitting on the "dune", took me for the first time). "spy" with all the ensuing consequences). I can't talk about the "mass character", because I didn't pay enough attention to it - I took it (not in series! and in case of breakage) 2-3 pcs.what crawled to your feet.

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07.11.2009 18:58, vasiliy-feoktistov

"After all," this is my training camp. I, too," despite "the dozens (not" thousands "or even hundreds) of beetles collected, remember so far (although it would be possible to make a discount on age) not "every beetle", of course, but their families tied to the collection sites. At that time, there was no big (genus-species) difference between beetles, in particular, for me (as current experience shows, the matter did not go far ahead). The purpose of this "sortie" was far from entomology. Insects "korobchilis" only in order that "good" is not "wasted". Among other things, there were also "chernotelki". My "non-specialist" view (which had the experience of identification, not going far beyond a large summer workshop on invertebrate zoology) distinguished only 3 species, which were taken.
As for the "mass character", as a result-they (these beetles) on needles 2 pcs. Thus, it seems to me that "delivery" is unlikely (especially taking into account the "remoteness" of the place from the paths "found" by nonresidents; the locals, when they saw me for the first time with binoculars sitting on the "dune", took me for the first time). "spy" with all the ensuing consequences). I can't talk about the "mass character", because I didn't pay enough attention to it - I took it (not in series! and in case of breakage) 2-3 pcs.what crawled to your feet.

If you are talking about U. ceramboides, then I recommend visiting here: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=173520 and then you will understand why the questions arose.

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