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31.12.2013 12:14, Oldcatcher

Nucleolaria hinuhinu Moretzsohn 2011;
Lyncina camelopardalis mariae (f) Schilder 1927, mentioned by you Annepona mariae (Schilder 1927) Where did you find" Maria"? We started celebrating early.... Matchast teach.smile.gif)))) instead of this case!)))))))

31.12.2013 13:14, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

But later (under the USSR) it was decided to indicate the Russian name in educational and popular science publications.,


As far as I know, this is a legacy of the "struggle against cosmopolitanism"period. There is a Zino nursery rhyme on this subject:

Baron Stackelberg came to the Institute one day, saw a freshly tested bug under the name "hairy shit" and realized that it was time to retire.
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31.12.2013 13:44, John-ST

Nucleolaria hinuhinu Moretzsohn 2011;
Lyncina camelopardalis mariae (f) Schilder 1927, mentioned by you Annepona mariae (Schilder 1927) Where did you find" Maria"? We started celebrating early.... Matchast teach.smile.gif)))) instead of this case!)))))))


MariAE genitive, sawing Shura, sawing...

31.12.2013 13:46, John-ST

As far as I know, this is a legacy of the "struggle against cosmopolitanism"period. There is a Zino nursery rhyme on this subject:

Baron Stackelberg came to the Institute one day, saw a freshly tested bug under the name "hairy shit" and realized that it was time to retire.


In our case it was a dark photo of Stalin lol.gif
The idea, in principle, was sensible to give Russian names to tummies, at least in science and pop literature, but the comrades were as zealous as always.
It would be nice if we created a Russian nomenclature of insects, the people demand, entomologists are silent, and dark cats with shit are coming. frown.gif

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31.12.2013 15:30, Guest

"Where did the" non-Russian " beetle get its Russian-folk name?" This would be quite possible if the generic name had a Russian counterpart. For example, if we had an ordinary cloven-hoofed animal, and they had Parnokopytonos Baal.
Nooo, Uncle! Cho't you with etymology lied. Elephant-a word (term) and "Russian-folk" and "scientific", however, in Russia slonofff never seen.
There were mammoths, but this is something else (and the word is different, and the time is different).

31.12.2013 15:40, Юстус

The previous "post" is mine ("nezregilos" cho-that...).
And vaapshche, similar (see "posts" vyshe) verbal "shnyaga", it seems to me, or in a separate topic, or down with it. In this topic - only "litters".

31.12.2013 16:15, Oldcatcher

The theme is "hamagoi". It just needs to be rubbed! And the topic of names should be highlighted and discussed separately!!!

03.01.2014 15:15, akulich-sibiria

something from Catops sp. 3 mm. Krasnoyarsk.
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03.01.2014 17:42, John-ST

Bugs from the stash
08.06.2012
MO, Zheleznodorozhny
1. Some sort of wormwood-based lixina
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it is also in kind
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2. on the aspen grass
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3. Photo shit, but at least to the end. Massed on willow leaves
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03.01.2014 18:14, John-ST

More remnants of beetles
MO, Railway

1. 16.05.2012
It seems similar to Dorytomus ictor, but it seems to me that the "nose" is thinner and somewhat longer, although the angle may be like this confused.gif
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2. 07.06.2012
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3. 25.06.2012
Is this Dasytes? On yarrow flowers
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03.01.2014 18:38, vasiliy-feoktistov

Bugs from the stash
08.06.2012
MO, Zheleznodorozhny
1. Some sort of wormwood-based lixina

Lixus (Dilixellus) fasciculatus Boheman 1835
The last 2 years we have on wormwood in the mass.
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03.01.2014 18:39, TEMPUS

Bugs from the stash
08.06.2012
MO, Zheleznodorozhny

3. Photo shit, but at least to the end. Massed on willow leaves

3 - Agrilus planipennis
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03.01.2014 18:41, vasiliy-feoktistov

3 - Agrilus planipennis

Don't rush it: it's definitely not her.
then John-ST: what is the size of this agrilus?
PS It is worth checking it for: Agrilus pratensis Ratzeburg, 1837 (just on willow and aspen it happens in bulk).

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 03.01.2014 18: 44
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03.01.2014 18:43, Mantispid

Bugs from the stash
08.06.2012
MO, Zheleznodorozhny
1. Some sort of wormwood-based lixina
It's in nature
2. on the aspen grass
3. Photo shit, but at least to the end. Massed on willow leaves

1 - Lixus fasciculatus Boh.
2 - Phyllobius pyri L.
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03.01.2014 18:45, Mantispid

More remnants of beetles
MO, Railway

1. 16.05.2012
It seems similar to Dorytomus ictor, but it seems to me that the "nose" is thinner and somewhat longer, although the angle may be like this confused.gif 

yes, obviously not D. ictor, maybe D. suratus of some kind?
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03.01.2014 19:04, Dergg

  
3. Photo shit, but at least to the end. Massed on willow leaves
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Zlatka, in my opinion, is more like Agrilus viridis. This is one of the most popular species in our country, and just likes willow trees.
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03.01.2014 21:38, Triplaxxx

something from Catops sp. 3 mm. Krasnoyarsk.

The photo is clearly not Catops, but Sciodrepoides fumatus (Spence, 1815) - a very characteristic penis.
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03.01.2014 21:51, akulich-sibiria

The photo is clearly not Catops, but Sciodrepoides fumatus (Spence, 1815) - a very characteristic penis.


Yes, thank you, he is. As I understand it it used to belong to the genus Catops

03.01.2014 22:34, akulich-sibiria

Rep. Khakassia. 6 mm. The photos are not quite successful. Can someone tell me what kind of genus and what family?
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This post was edited by akulich-sibiria - 03.01.2014 22: 41

03.01.2014 22:58, Triplaxxx

Family Agyrtidae, Pteroloma sp., genital group.

03.01.2014 23:13, akulich-sibiria

they said it on time. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif Here are the genitals.
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and here's another thing as I understand it Megatoma is quite large 6 mm
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03.01.2014 23:48, Vitis

More remnants of beetles
MO, Railway

1. 16.05.2012
It seems similar to Dorytomus ictor, but it seems to me that the "nose" is thinner and somewhat longer, although the angle may be like this

2. 07.06.2012

3. 25.06.2012
Is this Dasytes? On yarrow flowers

1 -- Dorytomus rubrirostris (=edoughensis auct.), in green it is affinis. The female is still of the old generation: the middle of May is the norm for Moscow, it is not uncommon in our country at the beginning of May, unlike many other doritomuses that fly earlier.
2 -- Agrilus sp. - little information, but similar to viridis. From the previous post -- viridis: well, there is no one else with such a habit and color on the willow, and even in the mass.
3 -- Dasytes is obviously niger.
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04.01.2014 3:12, vasiliy-feoktistov


2 -- Agrilus sp. - little information, but similar to viridis. From the previous post -- viridis: well, there is no one else with such a habit and color on the willow, and even in the mass.

Most likely viridis is. I apologize for the earlier assumption of Agrilus pratensis (I was prompted by the difference in the color of the pronotum and elytra, and the willow is also full of it)mol.gif. In general, the "pipe" with these agriluses.
I will add just in case about the earlier assumption that this is an introduced species of Agrilus (Uragrilus) planipennis Fairmaire, 1888: in my entire life, I collected only 2 specimens in the city. (in the same place and on different days) individual finds. Here one of them is. It is extremely unlikely that she is in Ivan's pictures.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 04.01.2014 03: 27
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04.01.2014 3:41, I.solod

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04.01.2014 7:45, Vitis

Most likely viridis is. I apologize for the earlier assumption of Agrilus pratensis (I was prompted by the difference in the color of the pronotum and elytra, and the willow is also full of it)mol.gif. In general, the "pipe" with these agriluses.
I will add just in case about the earlier assumption that this is an introduced species of Agrilus (Uragrilus) planipennis Fairmaire, 1888: in my entire life, I collected only 2 specimens in the city. (in the same place and on different days) individual finds. Here one of them is. It is extremely unlikely that she is in Ivan's pictures.

Vasily, well, on the contrary, it's good when there is a discussion. So, the forum lives. Read another opinion and you'll think: maybe I'm wrong. And sometimes the rush to answer is superfluous (as I have with marginat) smile.gif.

I'll put it this way. pratensis with blue heads mod. ndkr., brighter, smaller, lives (in our country, anyway) for a long time. on aspens and poplars, on willows like never found even.

planipennis-this parasite sits on the ash trees, and it is different, of course.

viridis in the photo (which is with a reddish prsp.) of this color is very common on the bush. willows with pubescent leaves, but on smooth-leaved willows (such as pentandra) we have a completely different, purple form of viridis sitting. And figs knows whether it is a separate species (from viridis) or just an aberration fixed by genes - I read an article on this topic somewhere. On the beech tree, too, a special color form lives. In short, a pipe smile.gif.
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04.01.2014 8:59, Mantispid

Here with this group "viridis" really full pipe. I once even created a whole topic when I was trying to figure it out, - http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=492784

On different trees they are different, many such forms have already been separated into separate species, such as Agrilus suvorovi from poplars. And I pulled them and genitally they do not differ and kartinochki with coleo-net do not work ((((well, or I'm blind)
And there are still funny virids from hazel....

04.01.2014 13:15, akulich-sibiria

1 -- Dorytomus rubrirostris (=edoughensis auct.), in green it is affinis. The female is still of the old generation: the middle of May is the norm for Moscow, it is not uncommon in our country at the beginning of May, unlike many other doritomuses that fly earlier.
2 -- Agrilus sp. - little information, but similar to viridis. From the previous post -- viridis: well, there is no one else with such a habit and color on the willow, and even in the mass.
3 -- Dasytes is obviously niger.


so famously you are able to make definitions based on such photos. At one time, I posted photos with signs and descriptions here, so they didn't even take up most smile.gif rolleyes.gifof them

04.01.2014 13:18, akulich-sibiria

Most likely viridis is. I apologize for the earlier assumption of Agrilus pratensis (I was prompted by the difference in the color of the pronotum and elytra, and the willow is also full of it)mol.gif. In general, the "pipe" with these agriluses.
I will add just in case about the earlier assumption that this is an introduced species of Agrilus (Uragrilus) planipennis Fairmaire, 1888: in my entire life, I collected only 2 specimens in the city. (in the same place and on different days) individual finds. Here one of them is. It is extremely unlikely that she is in Ivan's pictures.



well, plannipenis differs quite well in size, I have a little, so they are "a head" longer than all the viridis taken smile.gifI will be at home after the holidays, I will take a picture in comparison smile.gif

04.01.2014 13:21, akulich-sibiria

Vasily, well, on the contrary, it's good when there is a discussion. So, the forum lives. Read another opinion and you'll think: maybe I'm wrong. And sometimes the rush to answer is superfluous (as I have with marginat) smile.gif.

I'll put it this way. pratensis with blue heads mod. ndkr., brighter, smaller, lives (in our country, anyway) for a long time. on aspens and poplars, on willows like never found even.

planipennis-this parasite sits on the ash trees, and it is different, of course.

viridis in the photo (which is with a reddish prsp.) of this color is very common on the bush. willows with pubescent leaves, but on smooth-leaved willows (such as pentandra) we have a completely different, purple form of viridis sitting. And figs knows whether it is a separate species (from viridis) or just an aberration fixed by genes - I read an article on this topic somewhere. On the beech tree, too, a special color form lives. In short, a pipe smile.gif.



but what about the lateral keels of the pronotum, the nature of the location of points on the forehead, the dents of the pronotum, the shape of the elytra, and so on...Is it really possible to judge by color? I have such a confusion with this genus. Maybe I should repeat all my posts. But all from the Krasnoyarsk Krai

04.01.2014 13:27, Mantispid

but what about the lateral keels of the pronotum, the nature of the location of points on the forehead, the dents of the pronotum, the shape of the elytra, and so on...Is it really possible to judge by color? I have such a confusion with this genus. Maybe I should repeat all my posts. But all from the Krasnoyarsk Territory

Evgeny, you can also go here for the agriluses - http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=492784
I will now try to revive that temu

04.01.2014 13:59, akulich-sibiria

Evgeny, you can also go here for the agriluses - http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=492784
I will now try to revive that topic



In the topic, the same participants as here, it is unlikely that there will be something new, but I will try to drive out the most difficult ones. Of particular interest were the agriluses that live on wormwood. I was caught from this plant when mowing.

04.01.2014 14:26, Mantispid

In the topic, the same participants as here, it is unlikely that there will be something new, but I will try to drive out the most difficult ones. Of particular interest were the agriluses that live on wormwood. I was caught from this plant when mowing.

with Xeragrilus, on the contrary, everything is simple, I think all 3 are

04.01.2014 15:10, vasiliy-feoktistov

well, plannipenis differs quite well in size, I have a little, so they are "a head" longer than all the viridis taken smile.gifI will be at home after the holidays, I will take a picture in comparison smile.gif

That's right, the ash tree is large: the size of a two-point medium-sized one. It doesn't compare to the rest of us. In that picture, it is she who is collected, although poplars are solid, and there are no ash trees nearby (maybe I didn't see them). There's nothing to think about here: both copies. collected and are in my collectionsmile.gif, too, from the phone I write now: inconvenient.

04.01.2014 16:02, akulich-sibiria

That's right, the ash tree is large: the size of a two-point medium-sized one. It doesn't compare to the rest of us. In that picture, it is she who is collected, although poplars are solid, and there are no ash trees nearby (maybe I didn't see them). There's nothing to think about here: both copies. collected and are in my collectionsmile.gif, too, from the phone I write now: inconvenient.



well, in that picture I don't see a comparison with anything. I'm not at home, so I can't say, but it seems that planipenis is listed in the DV identifier as an aboriginal. And it seems to me, subjectively on those copies that I have, that it is more saturated copper-blue...Although this is not an indicator at all

04.01.2014 16:05, akulich-sibiria

with Xeragrilus, on the contrary, everything is simple, I think I have all 3


well, great!!! Then I'll try to show you mine again. Although many features are confused in the same definitions of the Far East and Europe, let's just say they are relative, and for a more accurate definition, you need to use comparative material.

04.01.2014 16:26, vasiliy-feoktistov

well, in that picture I don't see a comparison with anything. I'm not at home, so I can't say, but it seems that planipenis is listed in the DV identifier as an aboriginal. And it seems to me, subjectively on those copies that I have, that it is more saturated copper-blue...Although this is not an indicator at all

In that post, you need to poke at the name: under it is a link to the Zinovsky site. Introduced it to us, however recently.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 04.01.2014 16: 27

04.01.2014 16:38, akulich-sibiria

In that post, you need to poke at the name: under it is a link to the Zinovsky site. Introduced it to us, however recently.


well, yes, the truth is that for a long time it is included in the list of quarantine species

04.01.2014 19:59, Vitis

so famously you are able to make definitions based on such photos. At one time, I posted photos with signs and descriptions here, so they didn't even take up most of them smile.gif  rolleyes.gif

Evgeny, well, this is the Moscow region - not the Krasnoyarsk Territory or even Saratov. Feel the difference wink.gif.
The author of the image gave enough information that is largely consistent with mine: field observations in Chernihiv and Sumy regions-regions relatively close to Moscow and with a similar climate. (By the way, I advise everyone to GO OUT INTO THE FIELD MORE OFTEN-from March to November.) Even with such a muddy photo, I have the right to say that this is viridis - taking into account the circumstances of the collection, the region and, after all, the two-tone color (I won't risk one-color ones for sure, even from a good photo!, but if you know the food of the plant, you can make some leading assumptions).
Let's guess again. The last "possible" two - color variant is subauratus. So she has such a combination of colors, as far as I know, does not occur (with red prsp. ndkr. blue ones, for example), and it sits on poplars, less often on branches, BUT in crowns, which is why the author of the picture is very unlikely to observe it en masse.
but what about the lateral keels of the pronotum, the nature of the location of points on the forehead, the dents of the pronotum, the shape of the elytra, and so on...Is it really possible to judge by color? I have such a confusion with this genus. Maybe I should repeat all my posts. But all from the Krasnoyarsk Territory

It is impossible to judge by color, although there are cases (as described above) when certain conclusions can be drawn. More often, for reliability, it is better to look at structural features (especially if the beetle is not known on what and is individually assembled). It's a lot more complicated with single colors, but you know that without mesmile.gif. I'll take a look at your beetles, see how the time goes (I'm just stressed out with him right now). But I'm not Volkovich and not Alekseev, and the factor of southern Siberia must be taken into account... (remember magdalis wink.gif.
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05.01.2014 22:31, John-ST

Spring weevils

27.04.2013
MO, Mytischinsky district, Manyukhino village

1. Anthonomus pomorum?
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2. Anthonomus pomorum?
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3. Anthonomus, maybe a female? Something more brown and "fat"?
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01.05.2013
Moscow Region, Krasnoznamensk


4. Like Ellescus scanicus, but some of it seems too monotonous
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02.05.2013
Moscow Region, Zheleznodorozhny


5. As far as I understand natural Ellescus scanicus
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6. Very small
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06. and 07.05.2013
MO, Zheleznodorozhny


7. Phyllobius pyri?
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8. Phyllobius pyri?
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10.05.2013
Moscow Region, Zheleznodorozhny


9. Dorytomus nebulosus?
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11.05.2013
Moscow Region, Zheleznodorozhny

pictures of shit, beetles on one bush, but the first one has a longitudinal stripe on the psp

10. Cionus scrophulariae?
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11. Cionus scrophulariae?
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12.05.2013
Moscow Region, Krasnoznamensk


12. Phyllobius pyri?
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13. Something like Otiorhynchus?
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14. Similar to the previous one, but with an emerald tint
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15. Small weevil
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14.05.2013
Moscow Region, Zheleznodorozhny

Stoned larinas were sitting on some plum-type fruit tree along with hawthorn caterpillars.

16. first
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17. the second one is probably the same
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15.05.2013
Moscow Region, Zheleznodorozhny


18. Cionus scrophulariae?
were sitting in the same place as the previous ones ционы
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05.01.2014 23:15, Mantispid

Spring weevils

27.04.2013
MO, Mytischinsky district, Manyukhino village

1,2-yes, A. pomorum
3-I don't see anything but A. humeralis such
4 and 5 - yes, Ellescus scanicus, on 4 just dirty such
6 - Ceutorhynchus from the former Marklissus
7,8,12 - yes, Ph. pyri
9 - most likely yes, D. nebulosus
10,11,18 - yes, Cionus scrophulariae
13,14 - Otiorhynchus (Pendragon) ovatus L.
15 - Ceutorhynchus sp.
16,17 - Larinus sturnus
17 -
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