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20.01.2019 14:20, ярослав

Why not Clepsis pallidana? July is a bit late for Aphelia.

In my opinion, the pallidana pattern on the front wings is not suitable in this case.What do you think?

20.01.2019 16:49, vidjl

in Noctuinae, see.

Then only one option remains the shabby Sineugraphe exusta

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20.01.2019 17:23, Сергей-Д

Help with the definition.Caught in the light in the Orenburg region on 7.07.2018.The wingspan is 11 mm,the head is round,the labial palps are bent back.

Helcystogramma arulensis.
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20.01.2019 17:28, Сергей-Д

In my opinion, the pallidana pattern on the front wings is not suitable in this case.What do you think?

what's wrong with it? it is very variable, until it disappears completely.
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20.01.2019 23:03, MIV

Then only one option remains the shabby Sineugraphe exusta


Yes, you're probably right. Confused by the small size-31 mm.

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22.01.2019 6:14, maik

butterfly caught in Arkhyz May 2018 L-33mm wink.gif
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22.01.2019 6:56, Василий пенза

Panolis flammea
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22.01.2019 10:57, ярослав

Tell me this Lamoria anella (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775)? Caught in the light in the Orenburg region on 18.06.2018.

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22.01.2019 11:14, ярослав

Help with the definition.Orenburg region 15.09.2018 to light. The span is 18mm.

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22.01.2019 18:17, Сергей-Д

Tell me this Lamoria anella (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775)? Caught in the light in the Orenburg region on 18.06.2018.

Да.
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22.01.2019 18:19, Сергей-Д

Help with the definition.Orenburg region 15.09.2018 to light. The span is 18mm.

Psorosa dahliella.
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23.01.2019 9:23, akulich-sibiria

good afternoon. Is it possible to say what kind of moth, I think from ionomeutids.
Kessleria or Swammerdamia of some kind.
2 individuals. There are more, but unfortunately there are still females, although there are no options for wing color yet.
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23.01.2019 10:36, akulich-sibiria

or is it just plain Plutella xylostella ?

23.01.2019 10:36, akulich-sibiria

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24.01.2019 1:55, Aleksandr Ermakov

Plodia? smile.gif
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24.01.2019 9:56, Alexandr Zhakov

or is it just plain Plutella xylostella ?

точно Exactly Plutella xylostella
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24.01.2019 13:39, ярослав

Help me determine it.Caught at the end of September in the Orenburg region in the light.

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24.01.2019 17:32, vidjl

Help me determine it.Caught at the end of September in the Orenburg region in the light.

Both Euxoa from the tritici group, the first is similar to Euxoa eruta, the second to E. aquilina, it is better of course to cook.
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24.01.2019 19:54, svm2

Of course, I may be wrong after all, Euxoa ,but first of all, it does not belong to the tritici aquilina group(maybe something has changed now and I do not know), and the end of September is a little late for it.
I would look at christophi/emolliens for both
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24.01.2019 21:36, Sergey Rybalkin

I have such people from the Orenburg region identified as christophi

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25.01.2019 10:02, ПРИСТегнитеРЕМни

Good afternoon, gentlemen! Is it possible to distinguish moths of the genera Idaea and Scopula by their appearance? Or just by genitals/intuition?

All images were taken in the Volgograd region.

1. Private plot, mid-June, in the light.
picture: Idaea__0PristremIM_00001677__2016.06.18__N48.688_E44.408_RU_VGG.jpg

2. In the same place, at the end of July, on the light.
picture: Idaea__0PristremIM_00003117__2015.07.30__N48.690_E44.384_RU_VGG.jpg

3. In the same place, at the end of July, on the light.
picture: Idaea__0PristremIM_00003150__2015.07.29__N48.690_E44.384_RU_VGG.jpg

4. In the same place, mid-July, on the light.
картинка: Idaea__0PristremIM_00003261__2015.07.16__N48.940_E44.663_RU_VGG.jpg

5. In the same place, at the end of June, on the light.
picture: Idaea__0PristremIM_00003456__2015.06.30__N48.690_E44.384_RU_VGG.jpg

6. Ibid., beginning of August.
picture: Idaea__0PristremIM_00005347__2014.08.05__N48.688_E44.408_RU_VGG.jpg

7. Ibid., mid-June.
picture: Idaea__0PristremIM_00005821__2014.06.16__N48.688_E44.408_RU_VGG.jpg

8. Ibid., beginning of June.
picture: Idaea__0PristremIM_00006462__2013.06.08__N48.690_E44.384_RU_VGG.jpg

9. In the same place, the beginning of June, on the light.
picture: Scopula__0PristremIM_00003892__2015.06.08__N48.688_E44.408_RU_VGG.jpg

10. In the same place, the end of May, on the light.
picture: Scopula__0PristremIM_00004165__2015.05.25__N48.688_E44.408_RU_VGG.jpg

11. Ibid., end of May.
picture: Scopula__0PristremIM_00005948__2014.05.25__N48.690_E44.384_RU_VGG.jpg

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25.01.2019 11:59, svm2

1.5-Idaea deversaria, from what you can see
2,3,4-Idaea descitaria
6,9,10-Scopula marginepunctata
7-Idaea mancipiata, most likely, if the size is smaller than 1.5, and if the same, then it may not be quite standard deversaria
8-Idaea rufaria
11-Scopula ochraceata

25.01.2019 13:29, Александр Козловских

Middle Urals, early July.
Help me determine it.

user posted image

25.01.2019 14:21, ярослав

Of course, I may be wrong after all, Euxoa ,but first of all, it does not belong to the tritici aquilina group(maybe something has changed now and I do not know), and the end of September is a little late for it.
I would look at christophi/emolliens for both

I was wrong.Caught at the end of August).

25.01.2019 14:27, vidjl

Of course, I may be wrong after all, Euxoa, but first of all, it does not belong to the tritici aquilina group(maybe something has changed now and I do not know), and the end of September is a little late for it.
I would look at christophi/emolliens for both

Vasily you are right, there is no change, E. aquilina I probably wrote down to the heap in tritici smile.gif no.gifOf course, all the dubious Euxoa is better to cook, and so not exactly everything turns out, and the second one is also similar to E. christophi, maybe it is the first one, but it still pulls on eruta in appearance, as I see it (it is necessary to cook!), and in September there is a second generation of it in the southern regions.
I have such people from the Orenburg region identified as christophi

You, Sergey, can have up to three species here, and you also need a gene analysis.
By the way, the number of Euxoa species alone in the South Ural region is 31-32, or even more according to the latest data.

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25.01.2019 14:35, Radik

Good hour.
It may be possible to identify an overseas butterfly
Turkey, Manavgat/Alanya, in the ROC. Kizilota, bus stop. 28.06.2018
36. 703053, 31.580005

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25.01.2019 18:02, svm2

Vasily you are right, there is no change, E. aquilina I probably wrote down to the heap in tritici smile.gif  no.gifOf course, all the dubious Euxoa is better to cook, and so not exactly everything turns out, and the second one is also similar to E. christophi, maybe it is the first one, but it still pulls on eruta in appearance, as I see it (it is necessary to cook!), and in September there is a second generation of it in the southern regions..


The fact that Euxoa is a dark forest, I agree, and cooking does not always help, I refer to eruta-I do not agree, too fluffy whiskers, skkoree are the same as the second one , just the flattened plane of the antennae does not always coincide with the plane of the wings when drying. Solid colors like Matted emolliens, but I might be wrong

25.01.2019 18:05, Сергей-Д

... Euxoa is better cooked... (it is necessary to cook!)... also need a gene analysis...

And often helps?
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25.01.2019 18:44, Alexandr Zhakov

Good hour.
It may be possible to identify an overseas butterfly
Turkey, Manavgat/Alanya, in the ROC. Kizilota, bus stop.
36.703053, 31.580005

Add another date, it may help.

25.01.2019 19:24, ПРИСТегнитеРЕМни

Thank you for the high-quality definition of my moths! I'm wall.gif wall.gif wall.gifalready with them."..

A few more copies taken at home and on expeditions:

1. Volgograd region, Shcherbakovskaya gully, mid-June... Someone very similar to Abraxas.
картинка: 0PristremIM_00010566__2018.06.11__N50.492_E45.702_RU_VGG.JPG

2. Same place, same time. Scopula ornata?
картинка: 0PristremIM_00010440__2018.06.09__N50.492_E45.702_RU_VGG.JPG

3. Volgograd region, private plot, early June.
picture: 0PristremIM_00003812__2015.06.09__N48.688_E44.408_RU_VGG.jpg

4. Same place, late August.
picture: 0PristremIM_00002948__2015.08.23__N48.690_E44.384_RU_VGG.jpg

5. Karelia, end of July.
картинка: 0PristremIM_00010703__2018.07.12__N62.197_E33.280_RU_KR.JPG

6. Kazakhstan, Emba River bank, early June. Something from Boarmiini like.
картинка: Boarmiini__0PristremIM_00007363__2017.06.04__N47.047_E54.067_KZ_MAN.jpg

7. Volgograd region, private plot, end of August, also Boarmini.
картинка: Peribatodes.rhomboidaria__0PristremIM_00005178__2014.08.25__N48.690_E44.384_RU_VGG.jpg

8. The same place, the same tribe, but in the middle of June. Both are similar to Peribatodes rhomboidaria, but there is no 100% certainty.
картинка: Peribatodes.rhomboidaria__0PristremIM_00003696__2015.06.10__N48.690_E44.384_RU_VGG.jpg

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25.01.2019 19:28, vidjl

The fact that Euxoa is a dark forest, I agree, and cooking does not always help, I refer to eruta-I do not agree, too fluffy whiskers, skkoree are the same as the second one , just the flattened plane of the antennae does not always coincide with the plane of the wings when drying. Solid colors like emolliens mats, but I might be wrong

Euxoa emolliens is listed only for the Gorno-Altaian and Lower Volga regions, but it wasn't listed for the South Ural region, which is why I didn't mention it. In general, yes, it is more similar to the first one than eruta and christophi. With a mustache, it's not so clear.
And often helps?

It is in the definition for Euxoa, 95% gives the result of genital analysis, of course there are many closely related species, which even cook, even eat =), but there is no result, everything is difficult there at all.
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25.01.2019 19:42, Zhuk

Thank you for the high-quality definition of my moths! I'm wall.gif  wall.gif  wall.gifalready with them..."
A few more copies taken at home and on expeditions:

1 Eurrhypara hortulata (Crambidae)
2 Scopula ornata
3 Idaea sericeata
4 Camptogramma bilineata
5 Macaria brunneata
6 Synopsis sociaria
7-8 Peribatodes rhomboidaria

25.01.2019 19:50, Zhuk

Middle Urals, early July.
Help me determine it.

Lomaspilis opis
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25.01.2019 20:30, Сергей-Д

 
It is in the definition for Euxoa, 95% gives the result of genital analysis, of course there are many closely related species, which even cook, even eat =), but there is no result, everything is difficult there at all.

In the most common species, such as the tritici, aquilina, and obelisca groups, at least in my regionwink.gif, the genitals will not help to quantify about 95% of the specimens. A large range of intraspecific variability with many forms, as a result of which there are no key features and you can define the species as you want. The option with differences in whiskers for many species is more reliable, although I agree that in some I don't even know what will help at all.
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25.01.2019 21:05, vidjl

In the most common species, such as the tritici, aquilina, and obelisca groups, at least in my regionwink.gif, the genitals will not help to quantify about 95% of the specimens. A large range of intraspecific variability with many forms, as a result of which there are no key features and you can define the species as you want. The option with differences in whiskers for many species is more reliable, although I agree that in some I don't even know what will help at all.

I agree, the variability is very large, it is difficult to determine, at least some kind of sawyere, but a clue. I work out complex options in Novosibirsk for all the clues, but still a lot of questions remain, most sites don't have faith, they determine exactly how they want it.
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26.01.2019 8:18, ПРИСТегнитеРЕМни

In the most common species, such as the tritici, aquilina, and obelisca groups, at least in my regionwink.gif, the genitals will not help to quantify about 95% of the specimens. A large range of intraspecific variability with many forms, as a result of which there are no key features and you can define the species as you want. The option with differences in whiskers for many species is more reliable, although I agree that in some I don't even know what will help at all.


Can it be that they also cross a little bit there (genitals are similar)? Then there may not even be a clear boundary between the species, and it is generally unclear whether to consider them as separate species or as strongly divergent subspecies...

One of the nerds (I forget who) came up with the concept of "subvid" for such cases, but for some reason it did not take root. But it would be very convenient.

26.01.2019 13:58, шустов

Good hour.
It may be possible to identify an overseas butterfly
Turkey, Manavgat/Alanya, in the ROC. Kizilota, bus stop.
36.703053, 31.580005


I may be wrong, it's too shabby ex, but I was reminded of Spodoptera littoralis / litura, in Turkey, most likely littoralis.

26.01.2019 16:57, ПРИСТегнитеРЕМни

And a few more specks. This time in the larval stage of the life cycle. I hope at least someone will be able to identify ))

1. Mountain Crimea, mid-July, on the ground.
картинка: 0PristremIM_00000042__2017.07.15__N44.429_E33.705_RU_CR.jpg

2. Volgograd, mid-May. I think it's on mullein or some similar plant.
picture: 0PristremIM_00002085__2016.05.13__N48.600_E44.422_RU_VGG.jpg

3. Volgograd, early May, on a thicket of elm ordinary (suddenly realized that this is not a moth, but let it really hang).
picture: 0PristremIM_00002144__2016.05.06__N48.640_E44.424_RU_VGG.jpg

4. Volgograd, the end of June, I don't remember what it was on (probably, there was no point in posting this picture at all).
picture: 0PristremIM_00003485__2015.06.30__N48.690_E44.384_RU_VGG.jpg

5. Volgograd region, private plot, mid-June, in the foliage of raspberries.
picture: 0PristremIM_00005781__2014.06.18__N48.690_E44.384_RU_VGG.jpg

6. Volgograd, late May, on the stalk of some cereal.
picture: 0PristremIM_00005956__2014.05.25__N48.690_E44.384_RU_VGG.jpg

7. Volgograd region, private plot, end of April, on the ground.
picture: 0PristremIM_00006270__2014.04.19__N48.688_E44.408_RU_VGG.jpg

8. Krasnodar Region, Bolshoy Thach neighborhood, early May. On the spruce branch.
картинка: 0PristremIM_00010044__2018.05.02__N44.080_E40.437_RU_KDA.JPG

This post was edited by buckled UPTEMNI-26.01.2019 16: 59

26.01.2019 17:46, Ilia Ustiantcev

Not a moth - Dicranura ulmi

26.01.2019 18:35, Сергей-Д

  
1. Mountain Crimea, mid-July, on the ground.
2. Volgograd, mid-May. I think it's on mullein or some similar plant.

1-Selenia sp., 2-I may be mistaken, but it resembles a young Lycia hirtaria, maybe it fell from the trees if it was in the neighborhood.

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