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06.02.2019 20:48, aleko

Hello! Please help me identify this butterfly? Chisinau neighborhood, September 24, 2017. Thank you in advance!

If it was spring, I'd say it's Orthosia cruda. And in September - maybe a pale form of Helicoverpa armigera? At least it's about the same size?
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06.02.2019 21:43, MIV

If I understand correctly, the antennae of both sexes of Eichoa sibirica are filiform.
Can I use the PHOTO to determine the gender?

1. Ocd. Krasnoyarsk, taiga. 19.07.12.
picture: 2._Eu____sibirica__Boisduval__1832_________________________________.______._1.08.09._leg.__.______.jpg

2. Khakassia, Baysky district, Ochursky bor. 1.08.09.
picture: 1._Eu____sibirica__Boisduval__1832_______.________________.___________._19.07.12._leg._______________._..jpg

3. Mustache
picture: ______Eu____sibirica__Boisduval__1832_______.________________.___________._19.07.12._leg._______________._..jpgpicture: ______Eu____sibirica__Boisduval__1832_________________________________.______._1.08.09._leg.__.______.jpg

06.02.2019 22:42, Раду Кибзий

If it was spring, I'd say it's Orthosia cruda. And in September - maybe a pale form of Helicoverpa armigera? At least it's about the same size?

Approximately 1 cm 8 mm

07.02.2019 13:53, aleko

Approximately 1 cm 8 mm.

In September, we have in the middle band of butterflies of this color mainly fly Xanthia icteritia/togata (usually until mid-September), but their kidney-shaped spot is not completely darkened, as here, but only in the lower part. Actually, apart from the kidney-shaped spot on your photo, almost nothing is visible, you can only guess. This is the color scheme and the shape and color of the spot we have in Helicoverpa armigera, it flies at the end of September, however, the rest of the pattern is usually pronounced, and yours is very pale. Maybe just badly "killed" already.
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07.02.2019 14:02, aleko

And according to my scoops in the last post on the last page-did no one have any ideas for 3 days?

07.02.2019 16:14, Alexandr Zhakov

Please help me identify the correct scoop. Unfortunately, the camera is old and does not shoot well, I had to shoot dark ones with a flash and adjust the levels, but it doesn't get any better. All caught in the Ryazan region on the light.

A lot of photos, laziness mother, does not allow you to quickly answer, especially when there are a lot of questions, and I don't want to knock on the keys much. request, or specify the dimensions or take photos over the graph paper, there are no sizes, upload several photos, the answer will be faster. Working together with svm2, something like this:
116. Egira conspicillaris
117. ???
118. Nonagria typhae
119. Mesapamea
120. Protolampra sobrina
121. Apamea remissa
122. Coenophila subrosea
123. Mamestra brassicae
124. Melanchra persicariae
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07.02.2019 16:15, Alexandr Zhakov

In September, we have in the middle band of butterflies of this color mainly fly Xanthia icteritia/togata (usually until mid-September), but their kidney-shaped spot is not completely darkened, as here, but only in the lower part. Actually, apart from the kidney-shaped spot on your photo, almost nothing is visible, you can only guess. This is the color scheme and the shape and color of the spot we have in Helicoverpa armigera, it flies at the end of September, however, the rest of the pattern is usually pronounced, and yours is very pale. Maybe just badly "killed" already.

Helicoverpa armigera, I think without a doubt.

07.02.2019 16:36, aleko

 
118. Nonagria typhae


Thank you very much! That's just 118 I have doubts. True, I've only met females in typhae before, but I've never seen such a completely "unpainted" male anywhere, and it seems to be early for him in early August, and the underside of the front wings does not have a darkening, as usual in typhae. Part of the wing he lost somewhere, but it is not noticeable that he was very flown.

07.02.2019 16:48, Alexandr Zhakov

Thank you very much! That's just 118 I have doubts. True, I've only met females in typhae before, but I've never seen such a completely "unpainted" male anywhere, and it seems to be early for him in early August, and the underside of the front wings does not have a darkening, as usual in typhae. Part of the wing he lost somewhere, but it is not noticeable that he was very flown.

you probably made a mistake, but the Fabula zollikoferi variant?

07.02.2019 17:08, aleko

you probably made a mistake, but the Fabula zollikoferi variant?

Both spots are very similar (in Typhae they are quite different), the underside is one in one, with the same golden powder on the edge, and the size is suitable - if the wing was intact, it would have a span of approx. 37 mm. One bad thing is that the German site lists this species from the Astrakhan region, if only a random migrant? But it should be noted that in 2010 we had a wild heat wave (since August, terrible fires began in Meshchera), perhaps, indeed, such an individual could fly to us on the wave of this heat?

This year, which also had a hot and long summer, I got a few rare butterflies that didn't come across in our band at all - in particular, Tiliacea Citrago and Acontia melanura, the latter as many as 6 pieces.

07.02.2019 17:23, Alexandr Zhakov

On the lepiforum is a male, you have a female. The species is widely distributed in Europe, but very rare, even in Scandinavia there is. In Russia, in the Hebrew part, it is also widely represented. In Nonagria typhae, the shape of the wings is really different.
https://artsdatabanken.no/Pages/144451

This post was edited by Djon-07.02.2019 17: 27
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07.02.2019 18:42, СаняМухолов

Hello. Can you tell me who it might be? Caught in Thailand, Chiang Mai, early November 2018.

Are there really no offers?

08.02.2019 9:59, Alexandr Zhakov

On the lepiforum is a male, you have a female. The species is widely distributed in Europe, but very rare, even in Scandinavia there is. In Russia, in the Hebrew part, it is also widely represented. In Nonagria typhae, the shape of the wings is really different.
https://artsdatabanken.no/Pages/144451

They suggest that smile.gifthis is a male who made a mistake again. ♂
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08.02.2019 19:52, vidjl

Please help me identify the correct scoop. Unfortunately, the camera is old and does not shoot well, I had to shoot dark ones with a flash and adjust the levels, but it doesn't get any better. All caught in the Ryazan region on the light.
117 - Mesapamea secalis/secalella? 10.07.2010
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Similar to the dark Helotropha leucostigma
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08.02.2019 19:59, vidjl

If I understand correctly, the antennae of both sexes of Eichoa sibirica are filiform.
Can I use the PHOTO to determine the gender?

If you look at the abdomen, then both females in my opinion.
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09.02.2019 2:32, Лена Андрусенко

Guys and girls, hello everyone!
My name is Elena, I live in the Vladimir region. Accidentally found this forum, I look people communicate, so maybe I will not be left without attention. My passion for butterflies started 3-4 years ago, I like to take photos, but I don't know many names. Two years ago, I began to catch and buy a little. I hope for your help.

09.02.2019 3:14, Ольга Титова

Welcome, Elena. You won't find a better forum. That's how I started, too.
I dare say-Agonopterix yomogiella Saito, 1980?
Sakhalin, 2018.

Pictures:
picture: DSC_0041.JPG
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09.02.2019 18:09, ПРИСТегнитеРЕМни

Good day, gentlemen! Who is rummaging in pigeon holes? I have a link - 25 pictures of these cute butterflies to determine mol.gif mol.gif mol.gif

https://golos.io/ru--opredelenie/@ivprstvox...lykh-golubyanki

P. S. I would like to thank everyone who identified or at least tried to identify lepidoptera in the batches I previously threw beer.gif

09.02.2019 19:36, coriander-lithurgus

Good evening dear entomologists! While working with my collection collections, I came across this scoop. I once pre-defined it as Photedes extrema. We have a rare local species in the North Caucasus. I obtained the specimen in the lower reaches of the Kuma River in the sandy Caspian semi-desert. Prior to this, such a butterfly in the real world did not have to face, because there are doubts about the correctness of its opedeleniya. What will be the points of view? Thank you in advance. smile.gif

Pictures:
picture: RioiPN3.jpg
RioiPN3.jpg — (78.95к)

10.02.2019 14:31, IchMan

Colleagues, good afternoon!
Asked to throw on the forum, maybe someone will recognize. While everyone is just surprised...
Even the family was not definitely identified.
"The wingspan is about 2 cm, solid light. Feature: The tegulae end in black tassels.
Karelia, nature reserve "Kivach", 21-25. 08. 2017, meadow, light trap"
picture: moth_sp2459.jpg

picture: moth_sp2470.jpg*

10.02.2019 15:03, Vlad Proklov

Colleagues, good afternoon!
Asked to throw on the forum, maybe someone will recognize. While everyone is just surprised...
Even the family was not definitely identified.
"The wingspan is about 2 cm, solid light. Feature: The tegulae end in black tassels.
Karelia, nature reserve "Kivach", 21-25. 08. 2017, meadow, light trap"

Maybe Sciota lucipetella is broken? confused.gif

10.02.2019 16:55, vidjl

Good day, gentlemen! Who is rummaging in pigeon holes? I have a link - 25 pictures of these cute butterflies to determine mol.gif  mol.gif  mol.gif

https://golos.io/ru--opredelenie/@ivprstvox...lykh-golubyanki

P. S. I would like to thank all those who have identified or at least tried to identify lepidoptera in the batches I have previously thrown up beer.gif

I'll try some of them:
1 Coenonympha glycerion (Satyridae)
7 Cyaniris semiargus
2 Lycaena tityrus
6, 8, 9, 14, 15 it seems to be all Lycaena thersamon
16, 17 Lycaena helle
3, 19 Celastrina argiolus
20 Cupido argiades
21, 25 Satyrium w-album
22, 23, 24 Satyrium acaciae
7 More will help others smile.gif
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10.02.2019 16:59, vidjl

Good evening dear entomologists! While working with my collection collections, I came across this scoop. I once pre-defined it as Photedes extrema. We have a rare local species in the North Caucasus. I obtained the specimen in the lower reaches of the Kuma River in the sandy Caspian semi-desert. Prior to this, such a butterfly in the real world did not have to face, because there are doubts about the correctness of its opedeleniya. What will be the points of view? Thank you in advance. smile.gif

I would like to take a closer look at it without labels and take a lighter picture...

10.02.2019 18:49, coriander-lithurgus

I would like to take a closer look at it without labels and take a lighter picture...

Okay, I'll try.

10.02.2019 19:57, coriander-lithurgus

Here's what else I was able to squeeze out of my old "soap box".
I also looked through the scoop under MBS. On the distal edges of the wings, dark streaks are clearly visible, although not very clearly. I would like to note that spring - early summer 2017. in the western part of the Caspian region, it was abnormally rainy. The butterfly seems to have suffered somewhat from them. Elements of the wing pattern may have been partially erased. shuffle.gif

Pictures:
picture: VfoKS_croper_ru.jpeg
VfoKS_croper_ru.jpeg — (110.44к)

10.02.2019 20:28, ПРИСТегнитеРЕМни

I'll try some of them:
1 Coenonympha glycerion (Satyridae)
7 Cyaniris semiargus
2 Lycaena tityrus
6, 8, 9, 14, 15 it seems to be all Lycaena thersamon
16, 17 Lycaena helle
3, 19 Celastrina argiolus
20 Cupido argiades
21, 25 Satyrium w-album
22, 23, 24 Satyrium acaciae
7 More will help others smile.gif


Thank you for the definition.

3 - is this exactly what it is? confused.gif Both of them have almost no black spots, as well as black strokes on the edge of the wings.

The magnificent "seven", I suspect, will be extremely difficult to identify at all. Identifying pigeons by the upper side of their wings is, as I understand it, about the same as determining the blood type by hair color lol.gif

10.02.2019 22:38, vidjl

Here's what else I was able to squeeze out of my old "soap box".
I also looked through the scoop under MBS. On the distal edges of the wings, dark streaks are clearly visible, although not very clearly. I would like to note that spring - early summer 2017. in the western part of the Caspian region, it was abnormally rainy. The butterfly seems to have suffered somewhat from them. Elements of the wing pattern may have been partially erased. shuffle.gif

Yes, Photedes extrema, its left wing is pretty much killed, which I doubted. In Siberia, it is not uncommon.
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10.02.2019 23:11, Kharkovbut

I'll try some of them:
1 Coenonympha glycerion (Satyridae)
7 Cyaniris semiargus
2 Lycaena tityrus
6, 8, 9, 14, 15 it seems to be all Lycaena thersamon
16, 17 Lycaena helle
3, 19 Celastrina argiolus
20 Cupido argiades
21, 25 Satyrium w-album
22, 23, 24 Satyrium acaciae
7 More will help others smile.gif
3, 4, 5: Glaucopsyche alexis
7: Polyommatus coelestinus
10: Plebejus sp.
11, 13: Polyommatus icarus
12: Aricia agestis
18: Cyaniris semiargus

This post was edited by Kharkovbut - 10.02.2019 23: 12
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11.02.2019 8:29, ПРИСТегнитеРЕМни

  3, 4, 5: Glaucopsyche alexis
7: Polyommatus coelestinus
10: Plebejus sp.
11, 13: Polyommatus icarus
12: Aricia agestis
18: Cyaniris semiargus


Thank you very much! Now everything fell into place.

Just want to ask for these two moths. I initially identified it myself as Cleta filacearia, but there is still a feeling that something is wrong here. The first was shot in mid-May in Volgograd on Bald Mountain, the second-in mid-June in Shcherbakovskaya gully.

P. S. Soryan, the Internet was very laggy, so the comment was loaded three times in a row at once, and for some reason without photos. I've fixed it now.

картинка: Cleta.filacearia__0PristremIM_00002002__2016.05.16__N48.640_E44.424_RU_VGG.jpg

картинка: Cleta.filacearia__0PristremIM_00010437__2018.06.09__N50.492_E45.702_RU_VGG.JPG

This post was edited by buckled UPTEMNI-02/11/2019 08: 51

11.02.2019 10:55, svm2

2-Idaea aureolaria
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11.02.2019 14:50, WesternDragon

 
11, 13: Polyommatus icarus

Please excuse the question, but can these pigeons be P. thersites?

11.02.2019 15:59, ПРИСТегнитеРЕМни

And again I put another batch of butterflies on the screen. This time it's the nymphalids. I was able to independently identify them up to the genus level, but I couldn't manage the species identification.

https://golos.io/ru--opredelenie/@fb2000000...ochek-nimfalidy

Thank you in advance wink.gif

Then everyone's favorite scoops will go. Which really took out my brain... forward feet, figuratively speaking wall.gif

11.02.2019 16:08, Kharkovbut

Please excuse the question, but can these pigeons be P. thersites?
Can. smile.gif But very unlikely.
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11.02.2019 16:42, maik

help with Polygonia c-album if any subspecies
1. Abkhazia
picture: DSCF7229.JPG
picture: DSCF7230.JPG
2. KCR Arkhyz
picture: DSCF7233.JPG
picture: DSCF7234.JPG
3. Stavropol
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picture: DSCF7236.JPG

11.02.2019 19:57, Andrey Bezborodkin

help with Polygonia c-album if there are any subspecies


Yes, all the usual P. c-album without any subspecies. The light morph hatchinsonii Robson, 1881 is common in the south of the ECR, and now the climate is warmer in the north as well.
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14.02.2019 18:24, maik

tell me troides
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14.02.2019 19:14, Andrey Bezborodkin

tell me troides
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It looks like T. rhadamantus. They are often kept in "live butterfly gardens" .
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15.02.2019 10:25, maik

It looks like T. rhadamantus. They are often kept in "live butterfly gardens".

And I think it's Troides aeacus male

15.02.2019 15:02, John-ST

And again I put another batch of butterflies on the screen. This time it's the nymphalids. I was able to independently identify them up to the genus level, but I couldn't manage the species identification.

https://golos.io/ru--opredelenie/@fb2000000...ochek-nimfalidy

Thank you in advance wink.gif

Then everyone's favorite scoops will go. Which really took out my brain... forward with your feet, figuratively speaking wall.gif

In my opinion:
1-2. Argynnis adippe (Denis & Schiffermuller 1775)
и
3-6. Brenthis daphne (Bergstrasser 1780)
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16.02.2019 13:03, Andrey Bezborodkin

I think it's Troides aeacus male

Try to compare here, both types are presented. Anything can happen:
https://en.butterflycorner.net/Troides-aeac...wing.983.0.html
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