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Myosotis, 07.04.2007 19:55

Dear friends, can you tell me what insect detectors of the European part of Russia are available today and where they can be purchased? A great admirer of insects.

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07.04.2007 20:29, andr_mih

Here's all I can remember:
Determinant of insects, ed. I. N. Filipyeva, 1928.
Plavilshchikov N. N., 1950. Determinant of insects, 2nd ed.: A brief determinant of the most common insects of the European part of Russia, Moscow: Topical, 1994, 544 p., ill. Reprint edition.
Determiners on the Fauna of the USSR, Publishing House of the USSR Academy of Sciences. There are many volumes in different groups, but not all of them were published. http://entomology.ru/main_menu/news/20040105.htm
Determinant of insects of the European part of the USSR., 19??. "green" 2-volume book.
Determinant of insects of the European part of the USSR., 1964. "green" multi-volume.
Mamaev B. M., Medvedev L. N., Pravdin F. N. Determinant of insects of the European part of the USSR. Moscow, Prosveshchenie Publ., 1976, 304 p.
Determinant of insects of the Far East of the USSR., 198?, multi-volume.
Where to buy-in bookstores if you are lucky, and also here: http://entomology.ru/main_menu/shop/net_shop.htm
Opr. from the last series may have remained in the academic books. There are also separate group reports that are not issued in series. Buy apparently from authors, search for inf. in the Internet, for example. here: http://entomology.ru/main_menu/news/news.htm

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07.04.2007 21:12, guest: proctos

Determinant of insects of the European part of the USSR (in five volumes). Moscow,L.:Nauka.

T. I. Nizshie, drevnekrylye, s nepolnennym metamorphosis. 1964. - 936 p.;
Vol. II. Ch. 1. Coleoptera and fan-wings. 1965. - 668 p.;
Vol. II, Part 2. Coleoptera and fan-wings.
http://www.zin.ru/ANIMALIA/COLEOPTERA/rus/keyeurdp.htm
T. III, Part 1. Hymenoptera. 1978. - 584 p.;
T. III, Part 2. Hymenoptera. 1978. - 758 p
. T. III, Part 3. Hymenoptera. 1981. - 688 p
. T. III, Part 4. Hymenoptera. 1986. - 500 s .
T. III, Part 5. Hymenoptera. 1986. - 308 p
. T. III, Part 6. Hymenoptera. 1988. - 267 p
. T. IV, Part 1. Lepidoptera. 1978. - 711 p
. T. IV, Part 2. Lepidoptera. 1981. - 786 p
. T. IV, Part 3. Lepidoptera. 1986. - 503 p
. T. IV, Part 6. Largeflies, camels, reticulata, scorpion flies, caddis flies. 1987.200 p
. T. V, Part 1. Diptera, fleas. 1969. - 809 p
. T. V, Part 2. Diptera, fleas. 1970. - 943 с.

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20.12.2007 5:44, А.Й.Элез

For AntSkr. I can offer the most complete atlas (although very outdated in taxonomy, but in the completeness of intraspecific forms - subspecies and various kinds of aberrations - unsurpassed to this day; for other species - many dozens of forms, and for Apollo, in my opinion, hundreds, with all the unshaken or even doubtful nature of many of its forms and forms). to the present day) by A. Seitz. No Aces (highlighting only the main subspecies) will give even a trace of the variations that Seitz gives. Find my ad on this site or ask for information with a personal message or by email. Atlas on CD-skah 0 - one disc on bulavousym, one disc on raznousym (without scoops and motes). In English. Other information - upon receipt of your request. The material is not cheap.

22.12.2007 13:37, А.Й.Элез

The German-language version weighing several megabytes is freely distributed, and the entire CD-ROM is not available in English. The quality of the illustrations in the online version is not subject to discussion (the quality of the illustrations on the proposed disk can be checked by clicking on the link from the bulletin board of the Lepidopterologists Gallery concerning the bulavousym disk). Changes in taxonomy are not a problem to track, if you have a decent old atlas and the Internet at hand. New taxa (there are quite a few of them in percentage terms, and there are very few taxa for bulavousyms), of course, need to be looked for in the new literature. But in what new book will you find an exhaustive list of variations, such as that given by Seitz? Many collectors prefer to accurately describe a certain color form in their collection; try to find it in the new literature. There you will find at best subspecies, and even then not always fully represented. And color forms are given very sporadically and at best for individual regions (as, say, in Koch's case in Germany). A" hopeless obsolescence " of a fraction of a percent occurs with each atlas in a matter of months. Those who have a Seitz disk, even if they initially thought your way, immediately lose their disdain for Seitz, which is usually only due to the lack of the Seitz atlas and the lack of even familiarity with it... By the completeness of the description of intraspecific forms (not to mention the exact summary of the primary descriptions for each form (not just by species)) Seitz will never be surpassed again, because the bulk of macro-lepidopteran species were already known at his time, and subsequent determinants and atlases can only add individual strokes for their regions and sections of taxonomy ("more on small things") and shuffle the taxonomy as such twice a day, which does not require the collector to do it every day rearrange the material in the boxes, if at least the forms themselves are accurately labeled in them. Not only the owners of the discs, but also people who are familiar with the Seitz atlas, do not treat it as historical ballast. But this attitude is often found in cases of green grapes, when those who are not able to purchase the disc can only throw out to the public their very competent opinion about it (or advice to use the Internet version for German-speaking children), because Seitz's disc is not distributed for free, but to find a paper edition of the atlas, in addition, not German, but English, is almost unthinkable within the USSR... Even if you dump all the definitions and atlases published after Seitz into your apartment, they can't even come close to replacing him in terms of considering intraspecific forms.

23.12.2007 12:22, Vadim Yakubovich

The German-language version weighing several megabytes is freely distributed, and the entire CD-ROM is not available in English. The quality of the illustrations in the online version is not subject to discussion (the quality of the illustrations on the proposed disk can be checked by clicking on the link from the bulletin board of the Lepidopterologists Gallery concerning the bulavousym disk). Changes in taxonomy are not a problem to track, if you have a decent old atlas and the Internet at hand. New taxa (there are quite a few of them in percentage terms, and there are very few taxa for bulavousyms), of course, need to be looked for in the new literature. But in what new book will you find an exhaustive list of variations, such as that given by Seitz? Many collectors prefer to accurately describe a certain color form in their collection; try to find it in the new literature. There you will find at best subspecies, and even then not always fully represented. And color forms are given very sporadically and at best for individual regions (as, say, in Koch's case in Germany). A" hopeless obsolescence " of a fraction of a percent occurs with each atlas in a matter of months. Those who have a Seitz disk, even if they initially thought your way, immediately lose their disdain for Seitz, which is usually only due to the lack of the Seitz atlas and the lack of even familiarity with it... By the completeness of the description of intraspecific forms (not to mention the exact summary of the primary descriptions for each form (not just by species)) Seitz will never be surpassed again, because the bulk of macro-lepidopteran species were already known at his time, and subsequent determinants and atlases can only add individual strokes for their regions and sections of taxonomy ("more on small things") and shuffle the taxonomy as such twice a day, which does not require the collector to do it every day rearrange the material in the boxes, if at least the forms themselves are accurately labeled in them. Not only the owners of the discs, but also people who are familiar with the Seitz atlas, do not treat it as historical ballast. But this attitude is often found in cases of green grapes, when those who are not able to purchase the disc can only throw out to the public their very competent opinion about it (or advice to use the Internet version for German-speaking children), because Seitz's disc is not distributed for free, but to find a paper edition of the atlas, in addition, not German, but English, is almost unthinkable within the USSR... Even if you dump all the opredelets and atlases published after Seitz into your apartment, they can't even come close to replacing him in terms of considering intraspecific forms.

In this case, it seems to me, says the person who wants to sell more discs with "expensive material"

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23.12.2007 21:36, А.Й.Элез

Thank you for the link, colleague. These are very old web pages (although they are being updated), and I have already viewed them once. Unfortunately, these are not links for free reading of books, but catalogs of the second-hand book trade. Seitz, as can be seen from them, was produced in parallel (conditionally, since the terms really did not coincide) in English, German and French. It was published in pamphlets in parts (usually dedicated to taxonomy sections, genera, groups of genera, families, or groups of families, which is why, as you can see, they sell mostly individual pieces of volumes: pages and / or tables from such to such, rather than whole volumes). By the way, if you look carefully at the list, you will see how many hundreds of English pounds (not pupaars and not euros) are required for entire volumes (not even in the original bindings, unlike, say, volume 2 in German). I don't see the complete set in 17 volumes and appendices there in English, but in French it is offered for 5,950 pounds sterling (also re-bound), as you can see. By the way, the first volume (Palearctica, mace-moustaches) in English is not on sale there at all, only pieces of it are sold, and that is very expensive (say, satirids separately - for 95 pounds, a piece from morfids to ericinids - 225 pounds, etc.). They offer only an APPENDIX (Supplement) to the first volume, for only

550 pounds sterling. (By the way, I do not distribute volumes of appendices at all, at least in open commerce, unless I can distribute them to good people, since among the authors there may be people whose property copyrights under the international convention have not yet expired, and with volumes from the 1910s there are no such concerns). Seitz himself died, if I'm not mistaken, in 1938, so there is no need to talk about his copyright on the text and illustrations themselves.
In general, a complete set of the English edition of Seitz, absolutely, is available in the library of the British Museum. There is probably also one in the Library of Congress. But neither there nor there you will be given it for scanning. In other world libraries, I know only incomplete complete sets. In the USSR, I know only some volumes in German.
Of course, it is very good that you gave this link on the topic of Seitz (I have long forgotten about it). Now, at least, forum visitors will see firsthand what product category they are talking about, and will not consider themselves better versed in Seitz than the price list you specified. In which, by the way, the second volume (offered by me in the electronic version), dedicated to all raznousym, except for scoops and moths, is not offered in English at all - either in whole or in pieces.

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24.12.2007 3:19, Ekos

The German-language version weighing several megabytes is freely distributed, and the entire CD-ROM is not available in English. The quality of the illustrations in the online version is not subject to discussion (the quality of the illustrations on the proposed disk can be checked by clicking on the link from the bulletin board of the Lepidopterologists Gallery concerning the bulavousym disk).

But no

, the English-language version is freely distributed, and it does not weigh several megabytes, or even one disk, but fits as much as 6 or 7 CDs

and the quality is VERY excellent. This version is 100 % made in good faith!
Once again, I'm not against Seitz, but it's very outdated. But these options that are spelled out in it (by the way, not all of them) - are they important at all? All this is individual variability, and it is very pronounced in many species. But this is not a reason to constantly describe different aberrations in one or more instances. By the way, I also have a lot of atypical aberrant specimens of different species. But I am not going to describe new aberrations, so as not to litter the scientific literature with their names. And, most importantly, a varietet (aberration) is not a taxonomic category, unlike a species, subspecies, or race (infraspecific category). Maybe individual collectors are interested in this - " like, I have this variety here. You don't have that." That is, to show off in front of others. I will summarize this conversation. I believe that individual variability is very important for understanding many issues, but this is not a reason to describe atypical instances as varietes.

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24.12.2007 6:19, А.Й.Элез

I don't know what exactly fits in your 6 - or 7-CD version-the entire 17-volume set plus appendices (sometimes thicker than the main volumes), or just the first volume (the first volumes). All of Seitz should take forty or fifty discs at a decent quality, according to my estimates. Anyway, if someone also has a scanned Seitz and the quality of scans is no worse than mine, I can only congratulate them. My own version, of which only the first two volumes are ready yet, is almost never distributed for free and is addressed, of course, not to those who already have Seitz, but only to those who do not have it - neither non-commercial nor commercial. Only such people take it. If you have some kind of "non-commercial" Seitz, you, of course, have every right to distribute it for free, and I have no doubt that there will be many people who want to buy it from you on such terms, and I will be left without a clientele. But the practice of my distribution of material shows that free distributions of something non-commercial, as you can see, do not yet fall like an avalanche on everyone. By the way, the fact that the entire Seitz could have been scanned at the Library of Congress is absolutely impossible; this is a misunderstanding, check the scanned material more closely. If the books are library books, there should be marks somewhere. At best, only a few volumes could have been used from this library, and that is unlikely (but that they are actually from the United States or Great Britain is self-evident; this is also the origin of my originals).

As for the butterfly varieties, your approach is not without reason. All the more so today, when everyone has gone from the extreme of inventing a subspecies for each village to the opposite - to fighting against varietals and even, in many cases, against subspecies. At the same time, it would be rash to fuck up all the options at once. There are variations and variations. Since we're talking about color forms, you can spend your whole life catching some kind of hives, tracking the expansion of spots by half a percent of the wing length, and end up in a madhouse. You're right about that. But you can also distinguish more or less generalized types of varietals. Such are the temperature morphs (as Yakhontov once called them) - morphs as such, and not plyugavye differences within their arrays; such are the generalized forms of spots in some linden hawk moth, such, in the end, are the color forms of the female meleager, and so on. It is unlikely that the collector will be satisfied with the presence of one of the two forms of the female meleager wouldn't look for a second one. Seitz, by the way, also does not mince words in variations, even for apollo, but he guessed the obvious differences (or rather, initially not he, but those who described them). But the fact that for an amateur - madness and excess, for serious faunistics - not a small thing. A professional entomologist knows perfectly well that seven-point ladybirds can be all different on closer inspection, just like people, but he always takes into account generalized variations. Say, about fifteen years ago in the Entomological Review (or in the MOIP Bulletin? I can look more precisely in my notes, if you want) an article was published with an analysis of variations in the elytra pattern of the most common bandaged waxworm (they identified either 16 or 17 variations). No one decided to single out a million variations, but they identified their main types and tracked their statistics. There are other examples in the academic literature. And not to know, say, the names of cold morphs of common nymphalids (and to display them under only one specific label with typical ones) for a lepidopterist from some point in its development becomes shameful...

In general, I am extremely grateful for information about Seitz; if you would not mind, throw in information about how long ago this version appeared in circulation and what volumes of Seitz it includes?

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 28.01.2008 00: 50