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Сергей-Д, 17.08.2007 7:38

Who can tell from the latest taxonomy reviews whether the Arctiidae, Lithosiidae, and Synthomidae are separate families or all of the Acrtiidae together? Or false mottles separately? It's different on different sites, but there's still no consensus?

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17.08.2007 8:33, okoem

It seems that now they are all united in Acrtiidae?

20.08.2007 7:35, Сергей-Д

And according to the fire sources , how many families are there now? Two - Pyralidae and Crambidae? Or else there are all sorts of types of Galleriidae, etc. allocate? And then I have one listed-all just Pyralidae.

20.08.2007 8:49, Ilia Ustiantcev

Everyone is now a bear, and in the ognevki like 3 families-pyralidae, crambidae, piraustidae.

21.08.2007 8:09, Сергей-Д

how confusing everything is. When I last looked at the list of Arctiidae on the Internet at Dubatolova-false mottled birds were not there. And on sites with lists of butterflies by region (tezhe www.faunaeur.org) fireflies are Crambidae+Pyralidae and that's it. Is it really impossible for all schools to come to a common opinion, by analyzing at the molecular level, DNA, some thread in this way (I don't really understand this, but I think that it is possible to establish the similarities of species).

This post was edited by Sergey_D-08/21/2007 08: 14

22.08.2007 9:56, Bad Den

how confusing everything is. When I last looked at the list of Arctiidae on the Internet at Dubatolova-false mottled birds were not there. And on sites with lists of butterflies by region (tezhe www.faunaeur.org) fireflies are Crambidae+Pyralidae and that's it. Is it really impossible for all schools to come to a common opinion, by analyzing at the molecular level, DNA, some thread in this way (I don't really understand this, but I think that it is possible to establish the similarities of species).

The fact is that for one school it is an indisputable proof of the proximity of taxa, for another it is not a proof at all. There would be " guiding and guiding..."then, of course, we would have come to an agreement faster smile.gif
And data on the same DNA may not be available for all species.

This post was edited by Bad Den - 08/22/2007 09: 56

23.08.2007 8:35, Vabrus

Can anyone recommend the literature on the taxonomy of mottled lepidoptera? In particular, it is very interesting to distinguish the artificial group Bombyces et Sphinges. I want to find out who selected it and when.

This post was edited by Vabrus - 08/23/2007 19: 32

14.09.2007 3:58, Ekos

After all, false mottled bears are classified as a separate family, and I've only ever seen it referred to as a bear once or twice. But about lichens... Many people include them in the composition of bears, but recently there has been an increasing tendency to allocate them to a special family. In general, the most interesting example in clarifying kinship relations, as it seems to me, is the tropical family Callidulidae with a single Russian species. So, according to some characteristics, they are higher butterflies, and according to others, they are lower, pyraloid. So, go figure it out...

14.09.2007 13:50, RippeR

in my opinion, lzhepestryanok can be attributed to the bears.. At least in terms of tracks, this is the very thing.. The most bear-like caterpillars that I have only found, which are most often found, relate specifically to false chickenpox.. I was even surprised smile.gif
Although I would have known better by what signs they are distinguished into a family, I would have written something more substantial.

14.09.2007 18:24, okoem

I understand that since experts do not have a single opinion on false chickenpox, we have to choose according to our own taste where to put them. Personally, I like to refer to them as bears. Yes, and the caterpillars of Amata nigricornis are really "bear-like".

14.09.2007 19:07, lepidopterolog

Yes, redrawing the taxonomy "to your own taste" is nonsense lol.gif
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15.09.2007 15:14, RippeR

on the taste and color of the et taxonomy.. We need to work on our own smile.gif

18.09.2007 5:19, Ekos

By the way, did anyone catch Pterodecta felderi from the family Callidulidae in our Far East? Write the places of finds, it is very interesting to find out its true range.

23.09.2007 8:03, Vadim Yakubovich

Ekos, you also caught tongue.gif

24.09.2007 6:18, Ekos

Ekos, you also caught it tongue.gif

Well, yes, you caught me doing it smile.gif- it was in the Bastak Nature Reserve, 20 kilometers north of Birobidzhan (in the country of Eurendia). It was also caught in the area of Obluchya and, according to the old collections of Christof, in Radda (all in the same Eurendia). And in the Khabarovsk Territory, it is noted in the middle reaches of the Khor River and, according to unconfirmed data, in the extreme south of the Bikin district. And there seem to be a lot of points in Primorye. If someone has additional data on the spread of this butterfly-write! The butterfly is very interesting umnik.gif

This post was edited by Ekos - 24.09.2007 06: 21

24.09.2007 23:56, okoem

Yes, redrawing the taxonomy "to your own taste" is nonsense lol.gif

Did I mention redrawing? I was talking about the fact that if some taxonomists refer to bears, and others to false chickenpox , then what should I do? I am not a taxonomist, I can only choose one of two options for myself.

18.10.2009 13:03, Илюха

So, let's solve this problem :do Synthomidae and Lith-osiinae belong to the Dipper family or not ?Do tapeworms belong to the scoop or is it a separate family Erebidae ? Do scoops belong to the scooper or the sickle-wing , or is it a separate family ? Are marigolds a separate family or a subfamily of Nymphalidae ?

18.10.2009 13:38, Ilia Ustiantcev

It looks like this:
Lithosiinae dipper absolutely exactly, Synthominae there also include recently.
Erebidae - very controversial. I like to think of it as a separate family.
Sovkovidki, also recently - sickle wings.
Marigolds are still a subfamily, which is a pity.

18.10.2009 14:02, Илюха

It's a pity, of course, I wonder on what basis the marigolds were shoved into the Nymphalids ? confused.gif

18.10.2009 19:27, Dr. Niko


Sovkovidki, also recently - sickle wings.

But can someone explain this? I'm sorry, do they have a similar dog face? Or what? confused.gif

18.10.2009 23:00, Bad Den

But can someone explain this? I'm sorry, do they have a similar dog face? Or what? confused.gif

Most likely, based on molecular genetic studies.

19.10.2009 10:52, Alexander Zarodov

Sovkovidki, also recently - sickle wings.


And where can you read about it on the Internet?

19.10.2009 13:04, Vlad Proklov

And where can you read about it on the Internet?

Here, for example, is the synopsis:
http://vak.ed.gov.ru/common/img/uploaded/f...9/BelyaevEA.pdf
Well, then follow the links.
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11.06.2010 11:27, Alexander Zarodov

And what now are dippers all in the Erebidae? Where can I read it?

11.06.2010 22:53, Vlad Proklov

And what now are dippers all in the Erebidae? Where can I read it?

And dipper, and volnyanki.

http://pensoftonline.net/zookeys/index.php...ownload/414/400
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12.06.2010 18:59, Dr. Niko

And dipper, and volnyanki.

http://pensoftonline.net/zookeys/index.php...ownload/414/400

Yes, unifying taxonomy is gaining momentumsmile.gif, at least in recent years I have not seen anything more dashing. But svezhak is always a pleasure to view. Thank you, Vladik!)))

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