People Taxonomy: relationships between Paradigms

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Yakovlev, 11.06.2009 12:52

For a long time I would like to collect the opinions of respected colleagues about the taxonomy of Narodnaya. I would even like to write an article on this topic together with a philologist or ethnographer. Both scientific and funny.
Brief observations so far.
Ammophila wasp - ant lion, because it drags caterpillars!
Bronzovka-May beetle
A wonderful ornithological story.
My friend from the village of Jazator in the Altai Republic, Vladimir P. Kavriga, asked me about the birds I had seen in the vicinity of the village. In response to his questions, I complained that I hadn't seen any owls.
"Why," exclaimed Kavriga, " they even sit on poles in the village.
Then he pointed out the kites to me and said - well, here they are-owls
Later he told me about his childhood in the Krasnoyarsk Territory.
- Once, hunters brought a dead bird. Apparently a new view. Even the old people couldn't tell... It looks like an owl, but it's huge.
"so it's an owl," I said.
- nooo, he's an owl the size of a jar, and this one is healthy. Clearly a new view.

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15.06.2009 12:13, Victor Titov

In the Yaroslavl region, bronzes are called dung beetles (since they and rhinoceros beetles are found in manure-compost heaps on garden plots, stupidly and proudly called "dachas"

). But, finding in the same piles of larvae of bronzes and rhinos, they do not see any connection between them and beetles. Larvae for ordinary people-fat, nasty worms, pests, ruthlessly cut up with shovels.
All large dragonflies (including grandparents, grandfathers, etc.) are "rockers" (that's right, in the singular - rocker). Interestingly, Libellula quadrimaculata is called butcher (probably because of its wide, flattened abdomen).
All fat-bellied moths (even hawk moth!!!) "the moth.
Horseflies are called gadflies.
Large wolf spiders are often called cockroaches.

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28.03.2014 4:31, CosMosk

Perhaps I'll refine it a little more. I brought a linguistic catch from India.

ENGLISH - KHASI (Mon-Khmer famyli) - NEPALI - ASSAMESE - HINDI
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insects - khniAng - kirA -- - kIta kalU (telugu)
beetles - ?, khniAng - jankuli, junkEri --
firefly - 'niang ba ding - junkEri - -
butterflies - thapbalieh - pUtaly - pokhilA -titally.
lep.caterpillar - nyang niUh ---
dragonfly - niang kynthah um - CHiCHiMiRA [KIKIMORA?!)))] - jia [ziyA, lacewing also] - helicoptEr.
honeybee - ngap - - moumakhI - maddu maki.
bee - ungap ---
bombus - - maurioringOl maddumaki --
wasp - lwaI/dkhI - pahAle [poylE], bArula - borOl -
parasitic wasps (ichneumonidae) - - komOl kottI --
yellow pimplinae -- sunbArula --
ant - dkhiew - komilA - poruA [purvA] - chItty.
cocroach - niAng kalAw -sanglY - poitAsura -
earwig - niang khap shkhor - kanchepUwakawkatnyor --
phasmidae - - morO kirA --
grasshopper - puit - foten'grA -phorIng -
fly - skain - jingA - machI --
house fly - skain iing - busunA -makhi - machi.
mosquito - pyrjong - mos - moh - machAr.
flea - thyllAh ---
bug - simAd - podEra (with cicadas) --
bed bug - niang tyrpAid - urUs -- nul'
spider - thapbawA - mak(h)ura - mokorA -
scorpion - 'niang lar tham - bichI - brichIk - bichU.
centipede -ktiAr - chitun'ra - -
crab - ka tham ---
snail - mat tAh - - samuk -
fish - dohkha - matsya [matsa] - mas -
frog - jakOid - beiguttA - bhEkulI -
gekko - 'niang ap iing - bittY - -
bird - sim - chOra - sorAi -
dog - ksew - cucUr -- cuttA.
cat -miaw - biralU -- billy
tiger - khla- baag --
monkey -shrieh- bAdar --
snake - bsEin -- sap -
mushroom - tit - cheu --
tree - dieng - rook - gos -
fruit - soh - - pholmUl -
berry - soh - - bogOri -
seed - symbai - geera - gutI -
flower - sentiEw - phul,pushp - phul -
leave - sla - patta - pat -
rock,stone - maw - dungA - -

betel components (khasi): nut - kwai, leave - timpew , limestone - shun
bisquit - jingbAm (khasi) ---
tasty! - babAng! - mittO! -- suadIsht!

I catching (research) insects:
= Nga kem (wad) khniang (khasi)
= Mo kirA pokrindE (?~pokrindei chu) (nepali)
=~ machi pagri (hindi)

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28.03.2014 5:10, CosMosk

I am slowly developing arguments against the "slavocentric" origin of culture-for Truth and respect for other cultures. There is something to learn, and not to fantasize, replacing at least some, but a real tradition. Your own - it will be clearer.
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I'll start with the last thing on my mind, because it's entomological.
If it's interesting , I'll tell you something else)

So, who is a kikimora? "some' imaginary friend'?" And in the Nepali language-Chichimira = dragonfly. Oh, as in the point-just as it is-kikimora marsh)) But here-the meaning is lost. It seems that in Russia it first became a fly ("a small creature with red eyes"), which leaves the house in the spring with rooks (so it is), and which is driven out by wormwood and juniper (so it is). And then the people's memory sank into oblivion and delirium.

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23.06.2014 15:18, John-ST

From the children's section:
Krasnoklop-beetle-fireman
Myagkotelki-beetle-soldier
Yasnotochny leaf-eater-firefly, buckwheat is also a firefly, only not yet grown, respectively, did not represent interest, sometimes massively demolished to the thickets of yasnotki, so that there were more fireflies later
Brought home a terrible locust (song grasshopper), cut to blood with his saber palm, at home grandfather explained that this is a grasshopper and they bite until they bleed, and do not cut with a saber (later it was tested experimentally, they bite with and without a saber, and at the same time it turned out that their comrades are very good at removing warts), and the small shit that we called grasshoppers is fillies, locusts are a big filly that bursts all over the place in droves. grass.
Staphylin the magnificent is such a mega-wasp with a terrible sting that can pierce the leg through if you step on it, so it was destroyed by crushing the great one at high speed so that it did not have time to pierce the camera (some claimed that it did), or remotely with bricks, especially desperate ones pressed on the dispute with their foot.
Butterflies are respectively of two varieties, white-cabbage and all the rest - chocolate.
Bedbugs (shield beetles) differed from beetles only in the presence of a characteristic stench.
Barbel beetles are such cockroaches, respectively, the slipper cries for them, their larvae are bark beetles.
Weevils are just weevils, a separate category of insects.
The babblers were just flies.
Flies-indoor or ordinary (almost all flies), dung (blue and green caliphorids), shit (dung flies) and horseflies, large specimens of the latter were called royal, they were made into helicopters. The majority of hymenoptera, which do not have pronounced signs of bees, bumblebees and wasps, apparently belonged to the category of flies.
Goldeneyes are green stinky flies.
Entomological interests:
To catch grasshoppers and fillies, then it was kept in various containers and, if lucky, cricketed until it died, it was also caught to study the autotomy process, after which it was often fed to a friend's dog or cat, grasshoppers were also caught in order to catch a particularly fat specimen with the longest saber, trophy specimens could be exchanged for something valuable: for example, a tag, balls from a bearing, a piece of thick leather, a package of ascorbic acid with glucose, and other equally valuable items.
Catch red beetles (poplar leaf beetle), the main goal is to catch more of their comrades, often it was stretched for several days, then the catch was collected during the entire event in one container and at the end the number of live beetles was counted, sometimes this was done on a bet with getting or losing the above-mentioned profits as a result.
Catching fireflies was done just for fun, followed by looking through the crack of a matchbox, although some competitive incentive was present, who caught more at that higher level of ESV.
Catching a May beetle usually took place in the evening, beetles were collected in the form of T-shirts or jackets, depending on weather conditions, a valuable trophy that increases the ESV can be exchanged for real values, a little later in school, along with ground beetles, were used to intimidate individuals of the opposite sex or were launched during the lesson on a string.
The destruction of wasps, including the terrible wingless ones (staphylins), and caterpillars, because they are harmful, the main profit is getting satisfaction from performing socially useful work.
To catch soldier beetles, they were used for their intended purpose as ship crews, testers of shushpanzerov and aerospace equipment, garrisons of sand fortresses, etc. (also for these purposes, weevils caught along the way or in the absence of softlings were used).
Catch click beetles to make them click.
Catching dragonflies, large and colorful (mostly rocker arms), is a valuable trophy, especially if the wings are not scratched.
Simpetrums were caught exclusively by hand, for the purpose of training reaction speed, dexterity and eyesight, they did not represent trophy or commercial value and were usually released after capture, with the same purpose competitions were held for swatting flies with the palm of the hand.
Getting benefits from ants, for this purpose, a straw was poked into an anthill and the resulting benefits were licked, some people chewed the ants ' asses to get benefits, red forest ants were considered especially useful, information about their ant heaps was of commercial value. Small red ants, often caught under stones, small logs, etc., were considered harmful and were called zassykhs, in accordance with the name, when such an anthill was found, it was necessary to piss it, this was often done repeatedly and comrades were invited to such events, for the same reasons they urinated on nettles growing along the blind area behind the house.
There was also an attraction of unprecedented coolness, crush a bee or bumblebee (this is cooler) with a bare palm, a bee sitting on a flower swatted its bare palm to the ground so as not to be stung, for this they looked for bees on dandelions or put a plucked flower on the ground and waited for the bee to arrive, most often this was done weakly or on a dispute, in addition to stinging, when using dandelions, it was possible to get an unrealistic arrival by swatting at the same time a small stone or awn, being caught by adults for this occupation was usually punished, often with the distribution of a cradle.
Spiders were also considered insects, divided into two categories pigtails and spiders, the first studied autotomy, the second ignored or, if you come across a royal (female krestovikov), kept at home in a jar and fed flies.
P. S. forgot, bumblebees and bees were caught in a matchbox, the boxes were shaken and listened to the buzzing, stupid for fun, this event lasted until you got bored, the boxes were not needed for other purposes, or, in protracted cases, until the patient died.
By the way, a matchbox was a valuable thing, if there were matches in it, its value increased many times, and if the "sulfur" on the matches was green or even red, then you could give up on several boxes of ordinary matches, one hunting match could be replaced with a box of ordinary matches, my pride was a gift set of matches with freshwater fish.
They also caught swimmers, usually along the way with catching tadpoles and newts, and throwing frog caviar, all this was then kept at home in three-liter cans wholesale or separately, newts and healthy swimmers could be exchanged for something.
Butterflies for some reason nafig no one was interested, fly themselves and fly, nets caught all sorts of aquatic life.

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24.06.2014 2:08, Чегар

We had an old and almost abandoned cemetery right behind the school, where there were a huge number of kravchikov Lethrusapterus. Naturally, they dug holes in the graves or at their base - there the ground is not trampled. And naturally they were called gravediggers, and there was a strong belief that they dig up coffins and devour the bodies of the dead. Their appearance reinforced this confidence. Behind the cemetery, a vacant lot stretched all the way to Lake Eight, where we sometimes "burned the prairies" in order to roast "locusts" (large straight-winged birds) and "blacksmiths" (small ones). All this was eaten with gusto. There were also mantises, green, which were considered females, and brown, respectively - males. By the way, the name "bogomol" was well known, but I don't know where it came from, but I don't rule out that it could have originated among Soviet fifth - graders. Otherwise, this insect can not be called, only an adult does not see such simple things.
Now just on the site of the cemetery - a kindergarten, on the site of a vacant lot-a microdistrict where my nine-story building stands, and another 500 meters in the direction of the lake-the house of Reaper.

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24.06.2014 13:29, Чегар

Whole Asian civilizations rose up on fried locusts. And the cooking method - so this is the most important thing! This usually happened in August, when all the beautiful things were already over, and only school was ahead. We had as much fun as we could. August was the wildest and most desolate month. It is possible that they ate fried grasshoppers (by the way, this is delicious) with a slight hunger. Parents are at work, and go voluntarily home in broad daylight and eat borscht from the refrigerator? Well, no way.
But with this gastronomic entomology, collecting began. I wanted to take something from this carefree August to a new karmic circle. In the first collection there was everything that flew and crawled, then for several years individual families were eliminated, now only beetles remain. I didn't bother with names, especially Latin ones, back then. There were known: hornbill, rhinoceros, ibex (copris lunaris), gravedigger (L. apterus from the cemetery), stinker (Blaps mortisaga), April, May and June beetles, barbels and separately-woodcutter (funereus, pioneer-camp classification), the most numerous dorcadions of tauricum - "seeds", fireflies (according to the last post by John ST). It was believed that "fireflies" should glow in the dark. An experiment was made on the spot, the beetle was placed in the press and observed through the hole. Then the first doubts about the correctness of the definition arose. For the first time I heard the word "bronzovka" with an accent on the second " o " - Bronzovka, so experts from senior detachments in the village identified the beetle found dead on the stump. But for some reason I didn't like this pronunciation option. Just like the name of the horned beetle-deer beetle. Something about it was too amateur, too frivolous. Show-offs, in short. Rogach he is a rogach!

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