Need butterfly pupae from Primorye

It's just a thankless task to raise hawkmoth and saturnia. It takes a lot of time and effort. Here bulavousyh me much easier to breed (and more interesting), although everyone says the opposite, they say, hawkmoth and Saturnia easier to breed. And, especially when you are constantly stuck on expeditions, there is no time for this at ALL! Sushye Saturnii and brazhnikov are another matter, there are no special problems.
And when breeding, there is often a dilemma-either you sit at home most of the summer and breed butterflies, not going anywhere in a normal way, or you normally go on expeditions. I personally prefer the second option.

All this is understandable, but I have no such problems. There is labor and time. I rarely go on expeditions, but I really want to go more often, and this requires money.
I'm also willing to pay for the material.

All this is understandable, but I have no such problems. There is labor and time. I rarely go on expeditions, but I really want to go more often, and this requires money.
I'm also willing to pay for the material.

"Are there any active entomologists from this region on this forum who would help to get pupae of local hawk moth and saturnia species? A huge request - please respond."

Almost all species of Saturnia have overwintering eggs (except bramei and gnome artemis). Therefore, it is more likely to persuade someone to shake the eggs off the females. But this is a troublesome task, because it is necessary to collect females for the light, and not every female can take something. And to bring IT ALL to the pupae - you will not see the white light, you will become a "slave of brooms". About Artemis similarly-the caterpillars tortured their gluttony. Therefore, taking into account the moral damage during cultivation, the pupae will be "golden".
About hawk moth-it just seems that if there is a huge biomass of insects in the yard, then the caterpillars fall directly from the trees by the scruff of the neck. Not at all.... It is very difficult to search, and if you do not walk along the roads, looking for caterpillar excrement under your feet, then it is completely hemorrhoid. Therefore, it is also necessary to grow from eggs-see thoughts above.
P. S. You can, of course, look for cocoons with pupae of peacocks, for example, jaropis. But this is also a certain art.
In general, it turns out to be a completely unprofitable occupation from the point of view of the performer.

"Are there any active entomologists from this region on this forum who would help to get pupae of local hawk moth and saturnia species? A huge request - please respond."

Almost all species of Saturnia have overwintering eggs (except bramei and gnome artemis). Therefore, it is more likely to persuade someone to shake the eggs off the females. But this is a troublesome task, because it is necessary to collect females for the light, and not every female can take something. And to bring IT ALL to the pupae - you will not see the white light, you will become a "slave of brooms". About Artemis similarly-the caterpillars tortured their gluttony. Therefore, taking into account the moral damage during cultivation, the pupae will be "golden".

Well, let them be gold. And gold is how much in your understanding?

"Very well, let them be gold. And gold is how much in your understanding?"

I would first try to find a person who will agree to do this business, and already with him I would discuss the conditions that will suit both of them.

By "gold" I meant labor and time costs, and not the actual cost of selling and buying .

P.S. This topic should be moved to EXCHANGE and SALE

I join Sergey (Hemaris)... I am engaged in breeding, we need cultures of sailboats (all), saturnias, hawkmoth, catocals, pigeon-caudates (and not only caudates). Seeds of kirkazons...
to cajarc. Collecting gren from Saturnia, hawkmoth and Parnassus trees is not a big problem... Here sobsna such people are looking for. Are you "from not them"? Any constructive suggestions?
So sho if someone can throw something from the living creatures (not only the Far East is interested), I will be happy to buy or exchange...

For example, last year I grew Actias aliena from an egg, 20 caterpillars, this is a complete hemorrhoid, I don't need such "happiness"anymore! And it took a lot of time, and effort, and nerves, and they eat, as cajarc correctly noted, incredibly! If you feed them just in time , they'll die. Humidity is slightly higher or lower than normal - they will die! And it's pointless to search for caterpillars in nature, you won't find much. Current from the egg! Last year I found Japonica pupae in nature, about 20 pieces, but this is a very scrupulous matter, they disguise themselves very well!
So, even the cost of pupae, at which they are now sold in bulk, will not pay for all these costs. I absolutely agree with cajarc!

Isn't aliena a subspecies of artemis?
By the way, can someone create a theme with photos of peacock eyes, there is no such thing yet?

Isn't aliena a subspecies of artemis?
By the way, can someone create a theme with photos of peacock eyes, there is no such thing yet?

We'll create it over time, but it's a bad start.

I seem to have fallen behind the times - who is Actias aliena?
(as it seems, here is a hint of selene)

according to the DV identifier, it is a subspecies of artemis, distributed in the insular part of the DV.

This post was edited by AntSkr - 02/16/2008 11: 04

I tried to bring Artemis out after Primorye.
I saw a female on a twig, put it in nothing, took it away in my hands. She put a couple of dozen eggs in my palm. I brought the eggs to Moscow almost safely, because in Moscow in a week and a half, about half as many caterpillars hatched.
It's good that there are old gardens not far from the house, I immediately chesanul there. Until the second decade of September, I broke off a single pear tree. My friends said that pears were preferable (in addition, the apple and plum trees considered as alternatives were lousy, and oaks (as I understand it, the main food plant) were covered with something like powdery mildew).
Branches carried armfuls. The guests were frightened.
One reached the chrysalis, but even that one died.
I heard the version that in the conditions of the Middle Zone, Far Eastern butterfly caterpillars do not have enough humidity.

"So, even the cost of pupae, at which they are now sold in bulk, will not pay for all these costs. I absolutely agree with cajarc! "(C)Ekos
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Zhen, because people are different. You go on an expedition, and someone can sit at home, but they can grow it. Sobsna such and are looking for... Well, among other things, you yourself wrote about marshmallows not so long ago... Here you can't really dream about pupae (although some of our mutual friends still grow them... rarely and not all - another question), at least to collect grena. This is, damn it, not difficult in most cases...
And sho many difficult to grow - even ba! Grt and breeders are few in our country. You just have to love it, that's all...

So still there is a kind person who will help in solving this problem for thanks or for money?

I have twelve pupae of A. aliena hatched ten butterflies in early April. I didn't do anything special. To be honest, I wasn't interested in butterflies - I was interested in a positive result, as the end of the experiment. That's probably why it all worked out. He was bringing home cocoons of varying degrees of readiness, not Grena.
By the way, Gus. were searched very easily by the excrement at the roadsides, absolutely everyone ate willow.

PS regarding Actias aliena: it was Dubatolov who came to the conclusion that Artemis is
Actias aliena sjoeqvisti Bryk, 1949 - a mainland subspecies from Actias aliena (Butler, 1879), described from Japan. The only type specimen (female) of Actias artemis (Bremer et Grey, [1852]1853), kept in the ZINa Museum in St. Petersburg, does not correspond to the butterflies that we have always considered artemis. What Chinese species it belongs to remains to be seen.

To Hemaris: if I am in those parts, and there is an opportunity (i.e. the presence of female saturnii), I will take Grena, I promise. When I see a female on the screen(!!) So I'll remember you! ...

An email came from Jingke Li (lijingkebeetles (woof)yahoo.com.cn), it may be interesting:

Cocoons
:Data:Daguokou, Chuqiong City,Yunnan province.Nov.2007
Attacus edwardsi ? cocoon $8/1cocoon, 150cocoons
stocks.
wholesale; 150 cocoons x$3=$450
Samia cynthia wastsoni? cocoon $8/1cocoons,
100cocoons stocks
wholesale: 100cocoons x$2.3=$230
all price exclude postage.

=Data:Mt.Laolishan(Alt.2678M), Zhanyi county,Yunnan.
Nov,2007
10$/1cocoon
Antheraea frithii ssp cocoons.
wholesale: 200cocoons x3$=600$

=Data:Mt.Dushan(alt.1846M), Qinglong county,(NL:40'70;
EL:118'100) Chengde city,Hebei province,China.
October,2007
Actias selene mandschurica cocoon: 6$/1cocoon,
200cocoons stocks
wholesale: 200cocoons X2$=400$

=Data:Dandong city,Liaoning,China
Antheraea pernyi 100cocoons x$1.5=$150
Dictyoploca japonica egg:100egg=20$

They also come to me, but it seems like a scam. By the way, a certain Yuri Berezhnoy worked in Primorye. So this thing threw so many people from Europe and the United States on the dough that it's time to hire a killer. Several of my friends from Russia also suffered from the actions of this fraudster. I organized a collection of complaints on a European forum two years ago, so the total amount of the claim against this person was about $ 15,000. Although some customers spoke positively about it, they say they bought it before and everything was fine. I ran him through my channels and found out that in the beginning he really worked honestly, and then flew into a large sum with customs on a deal with sushnyak. It seems to be the official version. It was not possible to find him at the place of residence, most likely he left the region. Any information about this person and their current location would be greatly appreciated.

They also come to me, but it seems like a scam. By the way, a certain Yuri Berezhnoy worked in Primorye. So this thing threw so many people from Europe and the United States on the dough that it's time to hire a killer. Several of my friends from Russia also suffered from the actions of this fraudster. I organized a collection of complaints on a European forum two years ago, so the total amount of the claim against this person was about $ 15,000. Although some customers spoke positively about it, they say they bought it before and everything was fine. I ran him through my channels and found out that in the beginning he really worked honestly, and then flew into a large sum with customs on a deal with sushnyak. It seems to be the official version. It was not possible to find him at the place of residence, most likely he left the region. Any information about this person and their current location would be greatly appreciated.

No, comrade Lee in "kidalov", as such was not noticed (in fairness, I must say that he is as cunning as a car with monkeys), but somehow I read complaints about the quality of dry material.
As for Berezhny, the last time I heard that he lives somewhere in Sochi, I'll try to find out more.

There is one more "but" here - it is quite difficult (but possible) to get pupae or grena from abroad. If you send it by regular mail, it will take at least 2 weeks, during which time anything can happen. You need DHL, etc. express delivery service. And they are required to complete all official paperwork, since they pass through customs (on their own initiative) - this takes an additional time. Yes, and ordinary mail items are sometimes inspected at customs.

This post was edited by Bad Den - 02/17/2008 15: 17

And I read about Lee Sho throws (bourgeois wrote). I'm not going to have anything to do with him myself, although he's got carts coming in one after the other. It mainly offers wholesale goods at non-wholesale prices and with unclear quality... Waabche teapots are difficult to make friends with quality... Like grizza-there is no Chinese Porsche...
Yura Berezhnoy has not lived in Sochi for a long time, he is now in Vladik. Keeping his promises is really stressful, as is his reputation lately. Although he did send me some stuff from the DV...
Because of the hillock in Russia, parcels with animals go unpredictably - they can pass without problems, or they may not pass at all. Our f... ahem... valtanutaya customs-a worthy part of the body of the state, what's there.

Quote from the letter: "There is no need to hurry, maybe it will come, we'll wait. About our mail, there are simply no words anymore - the Russian service is terrible and merciless. "

The most striking thing is that a parcel from St. Petersburg goes to Belarus as much as from Germany, or even longer. It also takes a long time to get to Russia. Easier by train.

  
PS regarding Actias aliena: it was Dubatolov who came to the conclusion that Artemis is
Actias aliena sjoeqvisti Bryk, 1949 - a mainland subspecies from Actias aliena (Butler, 1879), described from Japan. The only type specimen (female) of Actias artemis (Bremer et Grey, [1852]1853), kept in the ZINa Museum in St. Petersburg, does not correspond to the butterflies that we have always considered artemis. What Chinese species it belongs to remains to be seen.

For those who are interested, see the work of Dubatolov, Lvovsky and Streltsov, published in the collection" Animal World of the Far East " in December last year (Blagoveshchensk). In my opinion, it is even posted on the website of Dubatolov.

to Hemaris:
In general, I do not promise anything, but if you suddenly have the desire and time-I will breed you a saturn.

PS And with alienami I got shitty - up to the penultimate age reached about 20 caterpillars, but only 2 reached the pupa. They die in a terrible way, mainly from fluctuations in the humidity regime. A little in one direction, a little in the other direction and all-a fatal outcome!!! And they eat like tanks!!! You barely have time to throw food and clean up the shit!

By the way, European postal services are also not so good, for example, the French one. A week after sending, the parcel leaves the Russian Federation (tracked via the Russian Post website by number), and after 3 (!) weeks it gets to the addressee in France, and this is by airmail. Tracking number doesn't work through the La Poste website. The Spaniards are also very leisurely...

Get grena C. japonica, C. boisduvalii, Rh. fugax can still A. jamamai is quite realistic, with hawkmoth I do not know who overwinters eggs if you tell me, it is possible that the eggs of tailbearers and everyone who has caterpillars come out in the summer-too many problems for shipment. From pupae only ludorfiya-further summer, legs while still thank God go, and to sit at home in the summer...
By the way, the seeds of the riverine kirkazon, collected last fall for a friend, there is not much left, they really lay in my apartment all winter (it was a pity to throw them away) so I don't know if they still germinate.

Hello, Sergey Viktorovich.
You sent me seeds and ludorphia in exchange for beetles.
I would be happy to continue working with you. I think we'll send you an email closer to the season, if you don't mind.

Yes, no problem, spring is just around the corner for us today plus.

Get grena C. japonica, C. boisduvalii, Rh. fugax can still A. jamamai is quite realistic, with hawkmoth I do not know who overwinters eggs if you tell me, it is possible that the eggs of tailbearers and everyone who has caterpillars come out in the summer-too many problems for shipment. From pupae only ludorfiya-further summer, legs while still thank God go, and to sit at home in the summer...
By the way, the seeds of the riverine kirkazon, collected last fall for a friend, there is not much left, they really lay in my apartment all winter (it was a pity to throw them away) so I don't know if they still germinate.

Thank you for your feedback. From this list, I am only interested in A. jamamai and C. boisduvalii. Only pupae and very rarely adults overwinter in hawk moth. That's why it won't work with eggs. There is of course an option to send them by EMS mail to Moscow or St. Petersburg, and from there by train to Belarus. This is the fastest way, but in the summer, in the heat, many hawk moth eggs can develop in 5 days, so there is a risk. It is best to collect the caterpillars and get the pupae. I'm interested in:

From Saturnium:

Actias artemis, Actias gnoma (eggs lie quite long and you can use the scheme I suggested).

From hawkmoth: first of all, all species of the genus Hemaris, Sphecodina caudata, Laothoe amurensis, Smerinthus caecus, Callambulyx tatarinovi, all species of the genus Hyles (except H. galii, H. euphorbiae), all species of the genera Clanis and Marumba, Phyllosphingia. Well, and everything else that you can get.

sveriga@yandex.ru send me a message.

In general, Actias artemis grow well at 50-70% humidity on birch. They need to be regularly watered, sprayed from a spray bottle. This is especially important for caterpillars of recent ages, otherwise there will be problems with pupation. High humidity in the absence of ventilation is fatal for Actias artemis caterpillars. In addition, the quality of the feed is of great importance. Feed should be changed at least once every 2 days.

I fed Pallas on an apple tree, they eat perfectly, in the end the tree near the house was almost completely stripped off, I changed the food every day. But they did not want to eat oak in any way, although in some lit. sources indicate this tree as the main food plant! About humidity. In summer, humidity of 50-70% is rare in the southern DV. More often - about 80%, and the year before last it was about 100% all summer. Tropics, in a word!
In general, the main difficulty in breeding actias is the humidity regime. I don't really want to do this anymore. It's much easier to go and catch a dozen aliens than to grow the same dozen from an egg.

  
From hawkmoth: first of all, all species of the genus Hemaris, Sphecodina caudata, Laothoe amurensis, Smerinthus caecus, Callambulyx tatarinovi, all species of the genus Hyles (except H. galii, H. euphorbiae), all species of the genera Clanis and Marumba, Phyllosphingia. Well, and everything else that you can get.

You swung really hard. Sphecodina is generally very rare, from the genus Hyles, except for galii, we have only H. costata-a mega-rare thing! The Klanis are the same thing. From this list, only Laothoe amurensis, Smerinthus caecus, Callambulyx tatarinovi (and then not in all years) and Marumba gaschewitzii are quite common almost everywhere.
And the question is-how to take eggs from female hemaris? With other hawks, everything is clear, females often just lay eggs in cages or even just boxes. And the bumblebees?

Zhen, so after all, people are different. You go on an expedition, and someone can sit at home, but they can grow it. Sobsna such and are looking for... Well, among other things, you yourself wrote about marshmallows not so long ago... Here you can't really dream about pupae (although some of our mutual friends still grow them... rarely and not all - another question), at least to collect grena. This is, damn it, not difficult in most cases...
And sho many difficult to grow - even ba! Grt and breeders are few in our country. You just have to love it, that's all...

Anton, marshmallow eggs are a different story. I'm interested in that myself, for reasons you know. Besides, marshmallows is one of my favorite bands. Yes, and in the case of Saturnia and hawk moth, you need to get eggs and tediously bring them to the imago. From marshmallows, however, you only need to get eggs that degrade, although this is often a very difficult task. In addition, eggs from marshmallows can be obtained in expedition conditions, the main thing is to stock up on cages. And this is easier (I speak from my own experience) than getting eggs from them, but in laboratory conditions. So, there are no problems here - and go as much as you want on expeditions and get eggs!

You swung really hard. Sphecodina is generally very rare, from the genus Hyles, except for galii, we have only H. costata-a mega-rare thing! The Klanis are the same thing. From this list, only Laothoe amurensis, Smerinthus caecus, Callambulyx tatarinovi (and then not in all years) and Marumba gaschewitzii are quite common almost everywhere.
And the question is-how to take eggs from female hemaris? With other hawks, everything is clear, females often just lay eggs in cages or even just boxes. And the bumblebees?

In captivity, you remember Kuzmich's words from the Peculiarities of the national hunt: "There are no fish here" and "The beast has gone to the far cardon". Let's just say that out of 16 species of hawk moth found on the territory of Belarus (meaning autochthonous and semi-autochthonous species), I can collect 11 caterpillars in the mass, including Hemaris fuciformis, Hemaris tityus and Proserpinus proserpina. By the expression "in bulk" I mean at least 20-50 caterpillars per day, and this is despite the fact that adults of the same species are extremely rare. For example, in good years, you can collect up to 50 caterpillars of Proserpinus proserpiana in a day, whereas I have seen imago in nature 3 times in my life (this butterfly does not fly to the light at all). Take Crimea. Of the 6 local rare species, 4 can be collected en masse, including Hemaris croatica, Acherontia atropos, Hyles hippophaes, Daphnis nerii (not always), although my local friend claimed that there are not all these in large quantities. In short, you just need to know where and when to look. Who can believe that I collected more than 70 death's head caterpillars in three days in the Crimea?

I think Sphecodina caudata is also better to look for in the caterpillar stage. You just need to explore the thickets of grapes in places where butterflies fly.

Hemaris eggs are easy to get. You need to put the female in a cage, put a branch of honeysuckle there and put the cage on the border of sunlight and shade. You can also collect eggs on forage plants. For me, in my area, it is not a problem to collect 100 eggs of Hemaris fuciformis in a couple of hours. But it is easier to collect adult caterpillars on honeysuckle and feed them to the pupa. They don't eat much.

This post was edited by Hemaris - 19.02.2008 12: 09

So, come and collect, we will be very happy to see you. But we are unlikely to delve deeply into the biology of hawkmoth, because we are just as crazy and we have our own priorities and interests. By the way, in one place I met a dozen Sfekodins in one day, I caught three, it was May 26.

So far, there are no extra funds for such a trip. It is more profitable to purchase the material after the fact. Therefore, I will be glad to find any material that you can find without interrupting your priorities and interests. For example, your banal Laothoe amurensis and Smerinthus caecus are of considerable interest to me. By the way, it is not necessary to delve into the biology of hawkmoth. I am ready to help with instructions.

Good health, colleagues!
"So, there are no problems here - and go as much as you want on expeditions and get eggs! "(c) Ekos
Golden words! Och would like to...Not tokmo to me (you know); -) Hmm....And on Parnassus with Saturnii (which also has gren diapausing) the same bullshit...
In opchim, we are interested in all types of marshmallows, sailboats, hawkmoths, catocals and saturnios, and we are also ready to provide instructions...
Sergey Viktorovich, have you tried to breed ground beetles and bronzes? I once bred a couple of our species 6-7 years ago, then completely switched to lepidoptera...

Uv. Hemaris, aren't you interested in the same banal L. amurensis and S. caecus from Western Siberia? If you are interested, please instruct us and let's try to build it!

This post was edited by Konung - 19.02.2008 19: 53

Uv. Hemaris, aren't you interested in the same banal L. amurensis and S. caecus from Western Siberia? If you are interested, please instruct us and let's try to build it!

Still asking! Of course, I'm interested. I don't care where they're from. Laothoe amurensis is also not uncommon in Belarus, but females do not fly to the light. Over the past 10 years, only two reliable cases of females being caught in the light are known. This is despite the fact that there are enough males arriving. Caterpillars of this species live only in the crowns of large aspens, so they are not found on land. So it turns out a paradox-there is a species, but you can't really get acquainted with its biology. I've been chasing it for 10 years and to no avail. It's not serious anymore.
I added your ICQ to my account.

What specific instructions do you need? I can't say anything about finding caterpillars or catching females, as I have no experience. I only know that if these species are numerous, you can look for mating pairs in the grass during the season. On the content of caterpillars, I can give a lot of advice, but only on soap or in a personal account.