Digging through old material

So, only this year I switched to entomological pins and high-quality boxes, and all my material for the previous 15 years of fishing is stored in homemade boxes and gradually destroyed by leatherworms. Today, having decided to see how things are going there, I was once again convinced that it is better not to look at it at all, otherwise it is just a waste, especially during the day... the guard is full. Well, okay, in principle, everything is either already caught or it is quite realistic to catch it next year. At least the nocturnal ones are more or less in order, otherwise it is very time-consuming to restore all the scoops, moths and micra. By the way, what is the best way to disinfect butterflies from a leatherworm-infested box before transferring it to a new, good one?
Now for more details about what you saw in the old boxes.
1) A large perelivnitsa, caught as a child in 87, characterized by a small number of white spots on the wings.
2) Spring mottled wing with interesting coloring (and underparts).
3) Mother-of-pearl, caught in the same distant 87 year and left me undefined, can someone recognize it? (and underbody, 45 mm span).
4) Not a certain pigeon, I really did not want to send it to a banal view, because it was distinguished by a brighter color of the underparts and a different shade of blue on top, caught in the O-Zuevsky district on June 20, 1999 (and the underparts).
5) Two boxes with scoops, one with moths, two more with other nocturnal photographed just like that.

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Yes, leatherheads are certainly a problem for many entomologists. But there are always not enough boxes and you have to make your own. By the way, mother-of-pearl like niobe, golubyanka don't know, but I think that bellargus?

This post was edited by DavBaz - 08/31/2008 11: 44

Sergey, as I can see from your collections, your collection consists only of views from the Moscow region.? I liked the different sawyers, thank you!

And where is Callimorpha dominula caught? And what's the big deal about blueberries?

Yes, leatherheads are certainly a problem for many entomologists. But there are always not enough boxes and you have to make your own. By the way, mother-of-pearl like niobe, golubyanka don't know, but I think that bellargus?

I have a lot of Niobos, but they are not at all similar to the mother-of-pearl presented in the pattern, color and size. I would like the pigeon to turn out to be bellargus, but I doubt it very much.

Sergey, as I can see from your collections, your collection consists only of views from the Moscow region.? I liked the different sawyers, thank you!

Mostly yes, there are still some from the Ryazan and Tambov regions, but only a few from other places.

And where is Callimorpha dominula caught? And what's the big deal about blueberries?

Dominula is from under the Carpet, Serg-Pas district of MO and Mozhaisk district of MO. Moth Alcis repandata (Linnaeus, 1758) f. conversaria.

I have a lot of Niobos, but they are not at all similar to the mother-of-pearl presented in the pattern, color and size. I would like the pigeon to turn out to be bellargus, but I doubt it very much.

I certainly agree that it is a little different than the usual niobe, IMHO, but still for MO the most suitable option is niobe. Maybe there is variability,or maybe I was wrong ,but what do other participants think? , and about the pigeon, I'm also not very sure, but it's similar.

I certainly agree that it is a little different than the usual niobe, IMHO, but still for MO the most suitable option is niobe. Maybe there is variability,or maybe I was wrong ,but what do other participants think? , and about the pigeon, I'm also not very sure, but it's similar.

It's not my fault that perlutrovka and Bolshaya perelivnitsa are from the Vitebsk region, although this is about the same area as the MO. We'll wait to see what others have to say.

And in my opinion, the golubyanka is still a banal icarus. There are some small black dots. I agree with Niobe.

Yes, the ogogo collection!

This post was edited by Zhuk - 31.08.2008 13: 06

And in my opinion, the golubyanka is still a banal icarus. There are some small black dots.

Yes, that's right. But in males, icarus underparts rather vary from gray to light gray, and here some brownish. Brownish more likely in belargus

This post was edited by DavBaz - 08/31/2008 13: 08

Well, yes, I also have even less doubts already started. Even some kind of transition form

Pyadenitsy klassnye

And in my opinion, the golubyanka is still a banal icarus. There are some small black dots. I agree with Niobe.

Yes, the ogogo collection!

Tolya hi, I looked at your report from the Volgogr. region-great!!! What do you mean you agree with Niobe? That it's really niobe? I've never seen such niobos anywhere, though...

So should I write a hybrid of Icarus and bellargus on golubyanka? I don't know how to cook, although I've never heard of bellargus flying in the O-Zuevsky district...

That it's really niobe?

Hi! Yes, I went cool, I still can't get away from the trip myself
And what in mo other than Niobe can be similar to her? Maybe it's just not standard.

You know, it doesn't look like niobe at all, and there's no mother-of-pearl on it, although this is not an indicator. True, I can't think of anything else myself, and she is not from the Moscow Region, but from Belarus.

This post was edited by sdi - 08/31/2008 13: 29

Niobe has a form with yellow spots.

IMHO, mother-of-pearl - niobe, golubyanka-icarus (a bellargus did not even fly close).

I agree with Kharkovbut-niobe and icarus.
bellargus really doesn't look like that at all.

niobe and icarus

The mother-of-pearl is niobe, and it doesn't look like Bellargus. He's been dead for a long time in MO, and he wasn't here before.

The mother-of-pearl is niobe, and it doesn't look like Bellargus. He's been dead for a long time in MO, and he wasn't here before.

Most likely you are right, I don't even doubt about the golubyanka (I just really wanted to). And I'll take a picture of yellow niobos together with a strange mother-of-pearl so that the difference is better visible, otherwise if you look at the photo I put, it really seems that niobos are without options.

I'm not an expert on pigeons, especially on bellargus, which are really in the MO if only by chance, so I ask those who have them: what is the most characteristic feature that distinguishes bellargus from icarus (the strokes on the white border do not seem to me like that)?

Just the most characteristic difference of bellargus (if you do not understand more deeply, for example, with the genitals) this is a mottled border of wings (look at the photo). And you have an unambiguous icarus. The fact that it is brighter and shinier means that the caterpillar developed in somewhat unusual conditions. For example, I cite the dependence of the appearance of adult pigeons on the food plant on which the caterpillar developed (look at the photo).

This post was edited by bora - 01.09.2008 05: 54

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Most likely you are right, I don't even doubt about the golubyanka (I just really wanted to). And I'll take a picture of yellow niobos together with a strange mother-of-pearl so that the difference is better visible, otherwise if you look at the photo I put, it really seems that niobos are without options.

This, of course, is not the usual yellow form of niobe, but an aberrant one, but a rather characteristic feature of the species is striking - dark contrasting veins on the underparts of z. krl.