Catching night and day butterflies

Who uses what fishing methods so as not to damage their fur and wings?For example, a hawk moth sits on the fabric of a light trap,how to remove it quickly and without damage?

You cover it with a net, the butterfly should fly away to the depth of the net. With your hand, you intercept the exit from the net. Next, you take an insulin syringe with ammonia and inject it with an injection into the chest. The butterfly is euthanized and then you can do whatever you want with it)

And another question is the safety of the material on long trips, on mattresses or something else?

This requires a small cardboard box. According to the size of this box, you prepare cotton mattresses. Each mattress is packed in paper with a stand of 1-1. 5 cm, depending on the size of the insects. The paper will press down on top of insects and will not create shaking on the mattress. Several such mattresses wrapped in paper are inserted into a box and carried around on a hike. There may be several boxes.

If the catch is short-term for 1-2 nights, then it is recommended to pin moths immediately after capture. To do this, a porous material is glued to the bottom of the plastic box, into which pins with butterflies are inserted.

I also got carried away with the hawk moth))
also: in the net you need to get good at it, so as not to press it by the wings or from above - it will rub. either in the crease to drive, or to the wings up-intercept. And an injection from below between the abdomen and chest. Yes, specialists?) In morilka - this is the last century. For babochnaya melkota.

niyaz, I read about mattresses,but I thought that the pubescence when pressed with cotton wool will be damaged. Well, for example, what is the best way to remove the same hawk moth from the fabric of a light trap?
I think to use a shallow container with cotton wool soaked in ethyl acetate inside, and cover the butterfly on the plane with it. On another site, I saw a method of killing hawk moth with a homemade electric shock.
And it seems easier to squeeze the breast during the day?

In general, write more opinions, with photos and videos it would be more interesting, I think, not only to me.

niyaz, I read about mattresses,but I thought that the pubescence when pressed with cotton wool will be damaged.

Then the second option: immediately put on a pin.

Well, for example, what is the best way to remove the same hawk moth from the fabric of a light trap?
I think to use a shallow container with cotton wool soaked in ethyl acetate inside, and cover the butterfly on the plane with it.

Remove with a net, as mentioned above. Hold it in your hands while aiming to cover the butterfly, the hawk moth may already fly away.

On another site, I saw a method of killing hawk moth with a homemade electric shock.

To kill with an electric shock, you need to directly hit the electric charge in the butterfly. To do this, the butterfly must be located directly between the electric arc. Again, while you aim, the butterfly will be scared off and fly away.

And it seems easier to squeeze the breast during the day?

This is if the butterfly is small.

Well, about squeezing, I mean daytime butterflies the size of an admiral.
That is, to shoot a night hawk moth with a net from the canvas of a night trap?Honestly, I can't imagine how to do this without damaging the pubescence.
Sorry fishing video no.

on this forum there are a lot of topics dedicated to this topic, where everything is described and shown. cho stupid?! books-1, practice-2!!!!!!!!!!!! let the seeker find!

This post was edited by AGG-02.03.2012 00: 20

For example, a hawk moth sits on the fabric of a light trap,how to remove it quickly and without damage?I think to use a small jar 5-6 cm deep with cotton wool soaked in ethyl acetate, cover it quickly.

Cover with a jar - the hawk moth will be obobetsya.
I do this-I wait for the hawk moth to calm down and freeze on the screen (almost everything - but not everything absolutely! - so they behave), I carefully put my fingers under the wings and grab him by the chest with a sharp movement. Next , an injection of ammonia in the chest from an insulin syringe.

AGG, I read the forum more than once or twice, I didn't find any specifics in catching ( not luring, etc.). Well, before practice is still far away, there are snowdrifts outside the window))

Bad Den, this probably requires a good skill, and with small nocturnal ones it probably won't work. I also read that if you inject a lot of ammonia, you can damage the instance with this?Need like a drop?

It is most convenient to take a butterfly from the screen with flat tweezers. Some are perverted by attaching wide shoulder blades made of orthogonal glass to the tweezers. In my opinion, there is nothing better than tweezers. Although kotbegemot will obviously argue with me. He puts all the small things in small long glass jars and puts them in the refrigerator until they are straightened out.

I also read that if you inject a lot of ammonia, you can damage the instance with this?Need like a drop?

It is necessary to take a single-tube (insulin) syringe and pump ammonia there at a minimum (literally for several divisions). First, spoil a little, and then the skill will come with time. Everyone started out this way, and unfortunately, marriage is always unavoidable at work.

AGG, I read the forum more than once or twice, I didn't find any specifics in catching ( not luring, etc.). Well, before practice is still far away, there are snowdrifts outside the window))

Bad Den, this probably requires a good skill, and with small nocturnal ones it probably won't work. I also read that if you inject a lot of ammonia, you can damage the instance with this?Need like a drop?

don't damage anything with ammonia. the main thing is to press the plunger smoothly and use the syringe as little as possible.
and don't ask stupid questions, all these skills come quickly in practice. if you have any banal questions , all the answers have long been in the forum archives.

sdi with wide shoulder blades is probably more convenient to fix the base of the wings-so as not to flutter.
FROM plastic, you can make tweezers of any shape, curvature and length.Thanks for the advice. I think when the season comes to practice on the banals, the benefit even in the city, the light in the room flocks fully and of different sizes.
Later I'll post an article about making a so-called stun gun for killing large moths. The author claims that this method is more effective than others,but I doubt it). And as it turned out, I'm not the only one.

... here I read-I read...there have never been any problems with removing hawk moth from screens, grass, bushes, etc. during night fishing on lamps - even if you scare them off,then after that they either accelerate into the screen or fly a couple of meters to the side and land somewhere again...Of course, not all hawkmoths behave like this,but here,for example, most hawkmoths of our latitudes behave exactly like this)...
Personally, I cover them with a net,and then-execution)...from the screen or bush, I "remove" the net in one fell swoop in any direction (the main thing is not to knock down the lamps and not to fill up the entire structure :P)...and if the hawk moth is sitting in the grass and "gets stuck", then I just cover it with a net...sometimes, however, you cover a hawk moth, and it does not understand that it is in a net - it sits and does not move)))
So I don't think there's anything to worry about...still, it is better to pay attention to the conservation of catches - after all, you will catch, and it is more difficult to keep butterflies whole)

metall-mikki Well, there is also a problem with saving-more precisely, with transportation, especially for long distances by rail, transfer to buses, etc. If you do not prick the straightened ones from shaking, they will not be able to do anything.In cotton wool pubescent I think will not stand.
of course, the ideal option is to take in a collection of freshly eaten at home. but this is not the fact that the time and place will be)

You have "the first season is still ahead" everything comes with practice. you know the general principles, and then you will understand for yourself, and this is not a prophecy, but a real life experience-who wants/can, and spends 5-10-20 years in prison you will find your own way and wake up others to teach

... here I read-I read...there have never been any problems with removing hawk moth from screens, grass, bushes, etc. during night fishing on lamps
, I personally cover them with a net,and then-execution)...from the screen or bush, I "shoot" the net in one fell swoop in any direction
, so I think you should not worry about this...still, it is better to pay attention to the conservation of catches - after all, you will catch, and it is more difficult to keep butterflies whole)

It can be seen in the rain never caught, or in heavy fog at 100% humidity. There's not much left of the butterfly in the wet net. Tweezers clamped, pricked with ammonia and no rain is terrible.

It can be seen in the rain never caught, or in heavy fog at 100% humidity. There's not much left of the butterfly in the wet net. Tweezers clamped, pricked with ammonia and no rain is terrible.

So I'm thinking about tweezers. Moreover, it is not difficult to make different ones with different curvature and size of the blades. Well, with a net,I can't imagine how the daytime ones won't even be damaged, probably just practice.

It can be seen in the rain never caught, or in heavy fog at 100% humidity. There's not much left of the butterfly in the wet net. Tweezers clamped, pricked with ammonia and no rain is terrible.

By the way, yes...if we talk about fishing in the rain, then I don't even know how to "rope"hawks...the sun shone only two or three times in the rain, but the hawk moth avoided me-I didn't see them at all in those days...in heavy fog - never caught...and in general,in heavy fog, the activity of insects does not fall?

I use the following methods for catching butterflies (small, medium, and large species):: with a net, the main thing is to quickly fix, immobilize, the insect and inject ammonia. Thus, completely different types were taken. I shake it off in the stain, by the way, at the fifth congress, everyone who bought the ribbon from my colleague noted the good preservation of the back hair. With an insulin syringe, I sharply pierce the butterfly sitting on the screen at the junction of the back and abdomen, and make an injection. I use all the methods in the process of fishing, depending on the situation that seems most convenient to me. One evening, already in the light twilight, I collected pigeons sitting on the field grasses, just with tweezers.

This post was edited by captolabrus - 02.03.2012 22: 18

I use the following methods of catching butterflies: with a net, the main thing is to quickly fix, immobilize, the insect and inject ammonia. Thus, completely different types were taken.

Even micra?

Micra, not taken, of course, in this way. I meant acceptable for the net in terms of dimension, types)))) Yes, and a novice amateur hardly had in mind the question of catching micra, as it seems to me.

This post was edited by captolabrus - 02.03.2012 22: 20

Micra, not taken, of course, in this way. I meant acceptable for the net in terms of dimension, types)))) Yes, and a novice amateur hardly had in mind the question of catching micra, as it seems to me.

That's right, Micra isn't particularly interested.I'm still at a loss for classification ,as my interest in insects is more aesthetic than scientific, although it's more of a mix.
Do fingerflies belong to micra? They are interesting.
Myself quite often in different areas(within a certain area) I found hawkmoth on the grass during the day, you could take them as they say with your bare hands, they did not resist.
I think the diameter of the net in 40 cm will be optimal? Or does someone use a smaller diameter for small butterflies (for example, pigeons)?

Brush away the fingerfly in the stain. The diameter of 40-50, I think it is not necessary to get smaller, and even more so to divide the nets according to the intended species catch. This is my opinion.

Yes, I basically thought that there is no point in several diameters of the net. I will be looking for a fishing podsachek with a folding hoop for rework.
About the activity of lepidoptera. It still seems to me that both diurnal and nocturnal species have a rest period during the day. at least I judge by my meager observations (at an earlier age, I caught and dried it,but of course nothing good came of it))

As for the diameter of the net, it is more convenient to catch moths landing on the screen with small nets (D=30-40 cm). Daytime-larger nets (D=50-60 cm).

That's right, Micra isn't particularly interested.

It is better to collect for one and mikra. If you do not define and do not straighten, then store on mattresses. They may come in handy over time. All the butterfly people started with macro, but then some of them were offended that in the old days they ignored micra.

I will definitely straighten it out, since the collection is not a scientific work for me. Simply put, I like its appearance, aesthetic side, as an artist-designer, I draw ideas from it.

Better stains have not yet been invented. But there should be a lot of them. Some for catching and soaking, others for storing before impaling already enticed ones. And in the stain should not be any cotton wool and other things, all in the lid. Constantly check for humidity, so that dew does not fall.
At night, use the net only in exceptional cases and during a lousy summer, when all the butterflies are caught on the approach.
With tweezers, I take only a tempting butterfly.
Brazhnikov really better to take your fingers out of the net or screen. , Small stains, large ones can also be used.

I think for large nocturnal injections of ammonia is preferable to staining. Banks still talk fast

I think for large nocturnal injections of ammonia is preferable to staining. In banks, all the same optreplatsya quickly

Do you know the parable of how to catch a hare?
We need to put some salt on his tail.
And to pour salt you need to catch it
Also with the pricking of ammonia butterflies, to prick, you need to starve. In any other case, the butterfly is injured much more. And time takes much more. (we have already written about large hawkmoth, an exception)
The butterfly in the stain does not flutter if it is there alone and you do not manipulate the stain very much in space.

Do you know the parable of how to catch a hare?
We need to put some salt on his tail.
And to pour salt you need to catch it
Also with the pricking of ammonia butterflies, to prick, you need to starve. In any other case, the butterfly is injured much more. And time takes much more. (we have already written about large hawkmoth, an exception)
The butterfly in the stain does not flutter if it is there alone and you do not manipulate the stain very much in space.

Always" night " pre-remove from the screen just like that banks (at home a stock of 40 pieces since I never throw them out after coffee). In them podmarivayu, and only then and stab with ammonia can be. The main thing is that the stain is always dry. And there was more than one copy.

vasiliy-feoktistov, yes, I was just going to use such cans for bulk products ,but the problem is that it will not always be possible to take them in the amount of more than 2 pieces. And isn't it possible that when a butterfly is dropped into the stain, it will try to fly away, thereby breaking its wings? If the action of EA is almost instantaneous, at least for a while, then it will probably be enough to cover the butterfly on the canvas with a shallow stain? Although I repeat myself already....., above I was told that this is a bad option. If only a couple of minutes will be enough for mating,and then the "control shot" -an injection of ammonia already immobilized butterfly, in this case, a couple of stains may be enough(I do not plan mass collections).
And I'm not going to catch Mikra either.

And isn't it possible that when a butterfly is dropped into the stain, it will try to fly away, thereby breaking its wings? .....If only a couple of minutes are enough for mating, and then the "control shot" is an ammonia injection of an already immobilized butterfly.

Exactly.
It won't come loose in a couple of minutes. The stain should be quite spacious, of course.

Well, in these jars, the diameter is about 12 centimeters. For the fauna of the Vladimir region, at least I think it's enough.

You cover it with a net, the butterfly should fly away to the depth of the net. With your hand, you intercept the exit from the net. Next, you take an insulin syringe with ammonia and inject it with an injection into the chest. The butterfly is euthanized and then you can do whatever you want with it)

So" whatever you want " clearly could be done before falling asleep, since the butterfly even allowed itself to be stabbed in the chest with a needle! What else is there to want? Only here, in order not to hit the needle past the chest in the wing, or even in your own finger, after the second sentence you just had to add: "You ask the butterfly to sit still." And only then talk about injections.

Back to what my colleagues said. A butterfly in a sufficiently large stainer will not get hurt if the inner glass surface is dry; you just need to monitor the fogging of the stain from the inside and change the stains by wiping the inside - or airing - the fogged ones. A misted surface will quickly pick up a pile of fur, scales and fringe hairs, that's for sure. Butterfly after a wet stain is disgusting and take.

So that the hawk moth (this was mentioned) can easily be covered in a calm position with a stain, you need to have stains with a wide throat, that's all.

If a butterfly is caught in a net (especially when you catch something that prefers not to sit on the screen at night, or even somewhere under a government lantern), then the butterfly easily moves to the very depths of the bag with an extra wave or two. The bag should be spacious and in no case have any angle of narrowing from the hoop to the bottom already rounded, cramped only increases the panic and activity of beating butterflies. In a large bag, the butterfly tries to find a way out, but almost never beats, and beating itself does not damage the butterfly, if it is not tightly compressed with a cloth. With your right hand, you take the stain out of your pocket and - this is the most difficult part, since your left hand also has to hold the net; three-fingered hands come with experience-with your left hand you remove the lid from the jar. Then a control swing of the net is made, so that the butterfly is guaranteed to be closer to the bottom, the net is turned upside down; the butterfly can almost never make a vertical take-off clearly in the center of the bag (without touching the walls), it begins to take off-to crawl up along the inner surface of the bag; at this time, with the right hand, it can be covered with a jar, as on any then carefully remove the cloth from the top of the jar, while simultaneously pointing the lid.

The method, due to the limited number of hands the hunter has, requires habit and skill, and if there is an assistant, catching is absolutely hassle-free: one holds the net, the other from the inside, thrusting a hand with a jar into the bag, covers the specimen climbing up on the wall of the net.

However, the question arises, why do you need a syringe, ammonia and the usual, even with experience, dangers of damage (at least fringe) when fixing the butterfly in the bag (before the injection, you can not do without bringing it to rest), perevdutiya during injection, and the subsequent spreading of fat on the surface of the specimen through the remaining extra puncture. I guess for nothing.

So" whatever you want " clearly could be done before falling asleep, since the butterfly even allowed itself to be stabbed in the chest with a needle! What else is there to want? Only here, in order not to hit the needle past the chest in the wing, or even in your own finger, after the second sentence you just had to add: "You ask the butterfly to sit still." And only then talk about injections.

You don't have to be a jerk. After the moth is trapped in the net, the exit is blocked. The butterfly is partially immobilized under the folds of the net cloth. Then it is intercepted by the fingers in the same way as when catching daytime butterflies. Only if the thin-bellied day butterfly is squeezed, then the night butterfly requires injection of sleeping pills. Although if the cat is very active and time is short, then small moth moth, the scoop can also be killed by squeezing the chest. And no assistant is needed. And numerous stains on a multi-day hike in hard-to-reach places are not suitable, they take up too much space in the backpack.

At the last entomological congress, kotombegemot and I got these banks for analysis.How it turned out to be a very convenient thing for small butterflies.Larger banks are used for large ones.The main thing after catching is to remove the jar in a dark place,as a rule, butterflies calm down in the dark.
Upon arrival home, we put the entire household in the refrigerator.before spreading, Vlad freezes the butterflies in the freezer.
As practice shows, the material does not deteriorate and the butterfly is taken by hand only once when tattooing.