Buying, selling, and exchanging insects

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25.07.2018 18:05, RippeR

Regarding posts describing these beautiful barbels.
One of them is fake with labels, the other guys publish in some crazy magazine - Humanitarian Space...
A third writes on labels instead of levchenkoi-levchenkovi...
i.e.-this story is the apotheosis of commercial entomology in its most deplorable form. I don't know who is right or wrong, but confusing labels and publishing in such magazines is just the finish line. The article turned out to be a good one, but why go to such a magazine?.. And the text should be reviewed, then there would be no such sentences in a strange Russian language "The authors express their gratitude to their colleagues, Stanislav Yakl, Anton Kozlov for accompanying the material and for valuable guidance at numerous stages of writing the article."

Dear Roman, I apologize, but here are some harsh statements made out of ignorance. There's no commercial entomology here. We never sold the material, and I did the article only because of my interest in the band and long-term tinkering with it, as a result of which I managed to understand a lot. We had limited material, and some of it was sent to the Berlin Museum free of charge, as a result of which some material did not even remain in our collection.

As far as magazines are concerned, we've had enough of these great magazines and long-term publications, and as a result, the article was published a year later than expected. Lazarev, on the other hand, was kind and well-designed, and as a result, the article finally saw the light of day.

Why is the article important? Because it is the result of many years of work on the group. Big beetles or not - it doesn't matter, popular or not - too. Stop looking at money when it's not about it, and try to make things more or less important based on personal biases, otherwise we'll get into chaos.
Next time we will try to publish something small, disgusting and unnecessary to anyone

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28.07.2018 16:09, paganel

Regarding posts describing these beautiful barbels.
One of them is fake with labels, the other guys publish in some crazy magazine - Humanitarian Space...
A third writes on labels instead of levchenkoi-levchenkovi...
i.e.-this story is the apotheosis of commercial entomology in its most deplorable form. I don't know who is right or wrong, but confusing labels and publishing in such magazines is just the finish line. The article turned out to be a good one, but why go to such a magazine?.. And the text should be reviewed, then there would be no such sentences in a strange Russian language "The authors express their gratitude to their colleagues, Stanislav Yakl, Anton Kozlov for accompanying the material and for valuable guidance at numerous stages of writing the article."

I agree that both the magazine and the quality of articles published in it are lower than the baseboard (for the sake of justice, we can add that not only in it). The problem is much broader. The eternal struggle for a place in the sun between classical scientists and amateur merchants has always been and will always be. Do you want to collect beetles and trade them? - on health, but do not meddle in science! To solve the problem of amateurism, you can only leave a dozen entomological journals in the world that are normally resensed. And all other publications in "Murzilki" should be reset to zero. Do you want to do science? - do it properly, and do not add even more mess. And then nonche, every stripper thinks of himself as a dancer.

28.07.2018 20:11, Hemaris

Well, they got everything. After reading such a negative, I consider it my duty to put in the place of fanatical scientists who claim that commerce and science are not compatible. I understand that they all have a rich sponsor daddy who is ready to plan their expeditions and creative research for beautiful eyes. Grant-eaters certainly don't count, but how many of them can at least afford to travel outside their research institute? I believe that if there is a demand, then there is also a supply. This is the norm throughout the developed world. What do we have? Some have learned to spin, and the latter simply envy them as successful people because they themselves are not able to reach even their level. I can give you examples of people in commercial entomology who are head and shoulders higher in the scientific aspects of their group than the bookworms who write publications, sometimes without even touching the object of research. Personally, I can already smash a bunch of similar articles by similar authorities on the brazhniki of the former USSR. But is it worth doing this and shouting at every corner that, for example, Streltsova, Osipov, Shchetkin and Izersky are falsifiers?

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29.07.2018 5:07, Yakovlev

Colleagues, I personally thought that the article about barbels was made at a good quality level. And it could be published in a good journal, for example, Russian Entomological, DV entomologist, zootaxa, zoological journal, coleopterological bulletin, Baltic coleo. journal...
That's the wish. I have no complaints about the authors. A normal job was done, but a friend confused the labels - this is completely unthinkable. And he even honestly writes about it))) He thinks this is normal practice. And commerce and entomological science are compatible, the monstrous material that is collected by commercial hunters is just fine - it gets into depositories, where it can be processed. I received thousands of excellent copies from commercial assemblers, and often even as a gift ))). By the way, in the post Hemarisa there is not a single scientist from Primorye )))

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31.07.2018 16:56, lunkov

Does anyone have the experience of sending packages with insects in the United States? the only time I tried I was wrapped up by my aunts at the post office and shown a piece of paper that you can't go to the United States without permission

Just pack the package at home. Fortunately, Russian Post scotch tape is sold online:
https://packon.ru/catalog/skotch-pochta-ros...682923990129606

Write "Scientific material for study" in the green declaration label in the mail and send it as scientific material for study. I've been doing this for 10 years, and I haven't had any problems... Aunts at the post office even say thank you for partially doing their work (packing a box).

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04.08.2018 14:42, александр барышев

1.1. Illegal acquisition or sale of especially valuable wild animals and aquatic biological resources belonging to the species listed in the Red Book of the Russian Federation and (or) protected by international treaties of the Russian Federation, their parts and derivatives (derivatives) using mass media or electronic or information and telecommunication networks, including the Internet "Internet", -
are punished by forced labor for a term of up to four years with a fine in the amount of five hundred thousand to one million five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convicted person's salary or other income for a period of one to three years or without it, and with restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years or without for a term of up to four years with a fine in the amount of five hundred thousand to one million five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convicted person's salary or other income for a period of one to three years or without it, and with restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years or without it.

04.08.2018 19:40, Mantispid

1.1. Illegal acquisition or sale of especially valuable wild animals and aquatic biological resources belonging to the species listed in the Red Book of the Russian Federation and (or) protected by international treaties of the Russian Federation, their parts and derivatives (derivatives) using mass media or electronic or information and telecommunication networks, including the Internet "Internet", -
are punished by forced labor for a term of up to four years with a fine in the amount of five hundred thousand to one million five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convicted person's salary or other income for a period of one to three years or without it, and with restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years or without for a term of up to four years with a fine in the amount of five hundred thousand to one million five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convicted person's salary or other income for a period of one to three years or without it, and with restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years or without it.

insects are not considered particularly valuable wild animals

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07.08.2018 20:20, VOVAN V.

The Labor Code not only exists, but (you won't believe it!) it works. Another thing is that in the conditions of general legal nihilism in the current Russian Federation (in relation to the Labor Code-both on the part of employers (to a greater extent), and often on the part of employees themselves), many laws work only when someone persistently and consciously tries to apply them. Ask about the judicial practice in cases of reinstatement at work - most disputes are resolved in favor of plaintiffs (employees), and solely on the basis of the provisions of the Labor Code. But how many people go to court to defend their rights? It is hard and hemorrhoids, it is much easier to repeat about the irrelevance of the TC and humbly go to look for another job after being dismissed.
As for the "appendices" and internal charters: they are just relevant and operate only as far as they do not contradict the Labor Code. Even without it, they are irrelevant - that's why they are "appendices", that is, appendices (to the Labor Code and other laws regulating labor relations).

Well, not with such regularity, but yes, periodically changes are made to the TC. And, by the way, this only confirms that the Labor Code is a "live", applicable codified law.

But with these thoughts of yours, it's better to go to this one: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=90568&st=0 They are not about the relevance of the Red Book as such, but about the expediency of extending methods of protecting other animals to insects and about the competence of a number of authors of articles on insects in the CC, including regional ones.
I wonder what is the basis of your personal view of the "old Soviet system of bureaucracy and bureaucracy"? Did you find her at a conscious working age?
The CC is, first of all, not as a publication, but as an official legal document. And it does not cease to be so, despite its disregard by both government officials and ordinary people. The fact that it is far from often (to put it mildly) hits someone on the head, only indicates the imperfection of law enforcement practice in our state. In other words, the fact that not everyone who steals is in jail does not mean that the Criminal Code is irrelevant, but that the work of those who are required to apply it is imperfect (for various reasons).
By the way, about the deadness of the link on the website of the Ministry of Natural Resources: I tried to download it - everything works for me (however, like the Labor Code )

Yes, I found everything.And you don't need to protect beetles in the first place ( this is not practical) and bioresources and the ecosystem !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!