Some Potosia spp.

Well, to the heap -
Potosia karelini Hbst.
Volgograd region, Olkhovsky district, Ilovlya river
May 2001

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Just a little more...

P. fieberi (Moscow) and Ryazan governorates)

P. famelica (Far East, Primorye)

And with the question: Does this happen in Ukraine? Namely, Potosia_karelini.

This post was edited by rpanin - 06.02.2007 17: 30

P. hungarica hungarica (Volgograd province)

P. hungarica armeniaca (armenia)

Potosia Extension (Netocia?) marginicollis, Ball., 1870-12. VI. 2000, Uzbekistan, Tashkent region, Chimgan, 1500m
Beetle from the cuprea group, rather close relative of R. metallica, its range is isolated: mainly in the south of our Central Asia from the Amu Darya River in the west to Kulji (Xinjiang) in the east, with a visit to Afghanistan (according to Medvedev).

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Protaetia (Potosia) cuprea obscura (Andersch, 1797),
15-20.VI.2007, Montenegro, Petrovac.
This subspecies is widespread in the Balkan Peninsula and adjacent countries, including even Austria and Hungary. Bronzerka seems to be quite common on flowers along with P. angustata.

Hello dear!

Yes, that's right. It is a common subspecies there, and in the western and southwestern parts of its range it often overlaps with P. (P.) cuprea cuprea, P. (P.) c. olivacea, and others. This is it ... a group in which, unfortunately, the genitals do not work. Therefore, I advise you to collect the entire cuprea subgroup from all regions and habitats as much as you can, even scrap. Damn interesting and stubborn band.

Look here, I caught this animal about a dozen years ago in the Uzhgorod district of the Transcarpathian province.
Then he did not climb into any keys (metallica-fiber and others like it) and fell into the then unmarked P. cuprea obscura for the USSR.
What can it be, at least theoretically, eh?

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Strongly welcome Misha!

Nimrod:
is there any data on the flow of Bessarabica?? Who caught it, when, how many copies.. ? When was the last time you were caught and opinions on this matter (maybe a variation, aberration, mutand-geek, or specifically a separate species??).. And then I almost didn't see any information, I didn't hear any opinions-I don't know what to think

Yes, that's right. It is a common subspecies there, and in the western and southwestern parts of its range it often overlaps with P. (P.) cuprea cuprea, P. (P.) c. olivacea, and others. This is it ... a group in which, unfortunately, the genitals do not work. Therefore, I advise you to collect the entire cuprea subgroup from all regions and habitats as much as you can, even scrap. Damn interesting and stubborn band.
Sincerely,....

Already collected from different places!
We'll send it to you in October.

Hi
For the supplement here is a photo of Potosia cuprea bourgini caught in my garden in the French district of Paris.
Pascal

Hm.. I wish I could catch it.. I wanted to go to that place this year, try to catch bessarabia, but it's a long way to go, and I didn't have time. I'm most interested in two notches on the process of the pronotum - how important do they play and do they have transfugas?

No, there is no notch on the process. I have few specimens of this subspecies from Turkey, and as far as this is correct, I can assume that this trait is also unstable, as, for example, the development of spots on prsp. and elytra. In typical c. transfuga, the process is large, broad, and straight at the apex. Sometimes it occurs with a slight concavity in the middle part; in some cases, the process is somewhat "cut off" from the sides, forming an irregular square; sometimes there are deep pit-like depressions on the process.
The shape and appearance of the process itself, as well as the entire beetle, is laid at the pupal stage, and, most likely, all these notches, depressions, etc. - there are special cases of teratosis caused by various causes: from causal effects on the pupa, or even the larva, to genetic failures.
I advise you not to bother with this feature. All the same, it is secondary to the definition, but the basis of everything is the size, color from above and below, the shape and location of spots (including on the "knees"), the shape of the platypus, the shape of the hind legs, etc.
Sincerely,..

thank you very much for your support
here is the definition key that we use for French types, maybe you will be interested
http://www.insecte.org/spip.php?article15
Pascal

Of course it's interesting, Mr. Pascal! And not just the keys, but the beetles themselves, too. If you succeed, please send us more photos of the local fauna.
Sincerely, ...

hi
here's more from our fauna photo Potosia affinis fi mirifica corsica
sincerely
pascal

Corsica? Then it is P. (Eupotosia) affinis tyrrenicaMiksic. It is an endemic subspecies found only on the islands of Corsica and Sardinia. I've never held such a thing in my hands...
Tell me, Mr. Pascal, would it be difficult for you to take another picture, but only from below this male?
How common is this subspecies?
Sincerely,...

This post was edited by Nimrod - 08/29/2007 00: 08

it is not rare, but I personally got one copy in 2 weeks in Corsica on thistle although this group appeared there abundantly
with respect
Pascal

Thank you very much, Mr. Pascal!
This is indeed P. (Eupotosia) affinis tyrrenicaMiksic!
Can I ask you a little favor?
If you happen to visit the area again, could you put together a series of this subspecies for me, if possible? However, I am interested in any material from the Mediterranean. Possible exchange. I will send you the necessary banking details by personal mail.
Thank you in advance.

P.S. to All. In general, to all who are interested. Take my word for it - this "beast" is very rarely seen anywhere. Personally, this is the second time in my life that I've watched it. I advise you to download the image, you never know where it will be useful. This is just a royal gift given to us by Mr. Pascal.
Sincerely,....

This post was edited by Nimrod-30.08.2007 00: 21

Hello everyone,
here's another P. angustata with color variations from Greece Peloponnese
Pascal

Yes, P. angustata is usually still golden-green (in any case, I came across mostly such). Other colors are less common. Another not quite standard one:

This post was edited by Nilson - 03.09.2007 21: 28

Pictures:

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new photo from the French fauna Eupotosia mirifica
Pascal

Potosia interruptocostata Ball.
10. 06. 1974 Pamir. Darvazsky district 10 km from the village. Sagyrdaur. Subalpine features. 3000 m. Slivkin.

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I got an interesting vidua discussion from Romania, what can I find out about this type of ineter?

This is better for Nimrod. At the same time, it can also check my definition...

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Dear colleagues! Please help me identify Protaetia (Liocola) brevitarsis Lewis 1879. I'm somehow not sure if it's a single view.
What are these types?
1. Protaetia sp1 25.08.2007 Approx. edge, Ussuriysky district, Kamenushka.

2. Protaetia sp 2 24.06.2007 Approx. edge, Yakovlevsky district, Novosysoyevka village

Protaetia (Liocola) lugubris Herbst, 1786
Bronzovka marble or gloomy
Body length-25 mm
Lviv region. Stryisky district, near the village of Pyatnychany. 9 -20. VI. 07 g. wine and beer trap

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Hello, gentlemen!
I'm sorry, I don't have time, so - briefly and in order.

1. Let's resolve this issue, Mr. Mylabris. This is not interruptocostata.
2. Everything is there, Mr. RippeR. Write to me on the soap - with vidua we will solve it.
3. Protaetia sp1 and Protaetia sp 2 are all brevitarsis. This species really has a lot of aberrations and about 7 subspecies, Mr. Cerega. Hence, the first is ab.impunctataKr., the second is ab.nigrogyaneaKr.. The outgrowths of the middle breast are slightly different. Strange. But you can't check it, because the first beetle is a female, the second is a male.

P.S. Gentlemen, if you do not mind, write to me better on the soap.
Sincerely, ...

Potosia (Cetonischema) aeruginosa ab.aureocuprea (Mulsan., 1842)
Body length 26 mm,
Kiev region. Borodyansky district, Spartak settlement 30. VI. 06g. Leg/Det. Vasko B. N.
On the inflorescences of black elderberry (Sambucus nigra)
Potosia cuprea metallica (Herbst, 1782)
Lviv region, Skolivsky district of the village of Grebeniv. On umbrella 9-20. VII. 07 g
Potosia fieberi (Kraatz, 1880)
Body length -23 mm.
Odessa region roc. Berezovka in the forest. Leg.Demidov G. 8. VII. 04
Protaetia (Eupotosia) affinis affinis (Andersch, 1797)
Body length -20 mm
Cherkasy region. Gorodishchenskiy district, Kozatskoe village district 4-8. VIII. 2002 Leg. Samoylenko S. A.
Protaetia (Netocia) hungarica hungarica (Herbst, 1790) f.
typica Body length-18 mm
Crimea, Kerch district, Russian Federation.Opuk 16-19. IV. 1999 Det. Vasko B. Leg . Mosyakin S.
Protaetia (Potosia) cuprina (Motschulsky, 1849)
Body length-20 mm
Old Crimea (Crimea)17.V.02

This post was edited by rpanin - 30.01.2008 22: 58

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Finally, someone showed how kupreya differs from Kuprina!

Gentlemen, help me determine the bronze age!
The place of collection is the Volgograd region, the beetles are similar to P. cuprea metallica, posted by rpanin, but they differ quite strongly from the individuals of the northern populations (Yaroslavl, Vologda)! Thanks to Anthrenus for the photos, y!

This post was edited by Elizar - 01.02.2008 09: 40

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In the Odessa region, most likely, there is a different, non-nominative subspecies. It wouldn't hurt to check, of course.
So far, it is tentatively P. (P.) f. borysthenica S. Medv.
Thank you, Mr. rpanin.

???

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Forgot. I forgot again... (Dmitry. JA2)


P. (P.) cuprea volhyniensis (G. & P.) Here, Mr. Elizar.
Everything else is sent by personal mail.

to Nimrod:
And specimens from the type locality of P. f. borysthenica differ well from other fieberi? A. Gusakov said that they are really bright green on top, even somewhat resemble Cetonishema. And Odessa in my opinion is quite normal fieberi... By the way, how do you feel about the isolation of P. fieberi boldyrevi? Judging by the Orenburg series, all the distinguishing features between P. f. fieberi and P. f. boldyrevi are strongly floating (if not to say more-beetles "we" have corresponding to both, and similar to boldyrevi in Medvedev's understanding do not even say that they predominate...). pieces of "normal" fieberi.

Yes, they all "float", by and large, Mr. Cerambyx. S. Medvedev, described boristenica from the specimens bred from larvae, but, apparently, was not familiar with the collections of Dr. Penecke (Bukowina), the giant collections of Proshiga (Zhitomir) & Jenni (Kiev). Yes, and after them they picked up a lot... But all the same, bright grassy-green forms, even "poboristenisty" boristeniki were collected singly in:
Chernihiv, Poltava, Sumy and Kiev regions, and even in Bessarabia (1 female - 1911).
Small series are known from North America. Odessa region, Zhytomyr and Vinnytsia region.
I came across an almost red uniform. Black forms are known (Austria, Slovenia).
Reanimated P. (P.) incertaCosta (Italy), which I have not seen in my eyes, but I suspect that it can be.
In order to answer all the questions, you need larvae of this species from different points of view. When I have the material, then I will be able to say for sure whether these are subspecies or just variations of the same species.
Unfortunately, I don't have the boldyrevi subspecies. I can't say anything.
To separate species and forms, it is better to use the Mikshich fauna.