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PG18, 11.12.2008 17:07

How many of them were caught in Ustyurt in the spring! And how different! It's even strange that it's in the same subfamily... And the genitals of males are extremely different: from simple and tiny (in clover scoops) to healthy (under 4 mm) and complex (in Pandesma, Armada...)
And how nice it is to spread out when the rear wings are patterned smile.gif
About half of them have decided yet. I will slowly spread it out, including undecided ones. Maybe we'll figure it out all over the world...

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11.12.2008 17:11, PG18

Acantholipes regularis (Hübner, [1813])[size=7]
A relative of the clover scoops. It flies during the day and possibly at night. It is probably related to licorice (Glycerrhyza aspera).
South Kazakhstan, Ustyurt District, May 1, 2008

Pictures:
picture: Acantholipes_regularis_05_01_Kokusim_0073.jpg
Acantholipes_regularis_05_01_Kokusim_0073.jpg — (97.57к)

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11.12.2008 17:26, PG18

Anydrophila sp.
In sandy places, in May on Ustyurt-the most common butterflies, both day and night.
Potentially there may be:
Anydrophila simiola (Püngeler, 1899)
Anydrophila mirifica (Erschoff, 1874)
Anydrophila intermixta Warren, 1913
has not yet been studied. Look at the images of genitals...

Pictures:
picture: Anydrophila_05_05_Kyrtakhtai_0479.jpg
Anydrophila_05_05_Kyrtakhtai_0479.jpg — (70.61к)

picture: Anydrophila_05_05_Kyrtakhtai_0484.jpg
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11.12.2008 17:34, Vlad Proklov

How many of them were caught in Ustyurt in the spring! And how different! It's even strange that it's in the same subfamily... And the genitals of males are extremely different: from simple and tiny (in clover scoops) to healthy (under 4 mm) and complex (in Pandesma, Armada...)
And how nice it is to spread out when the rear wings are patterned smile.gif
About half of them have decided yet. I will slowly spread it out, including undecided ones. Maybe we'll figure it out all over the world...

And the Armada is now not in the bandwagon, but in the Noctuidae:Acontiinae!

11.12.2008 17:40, PG18

And the Armada is now not in the bandwagon, but in the Noctuidae:Acontiinae!

Interesting! This is probably the beginning of a revolution in the Catholics.
While in this topic I will show smile.gif

11.12.2008 18:02, PG18

For clarifying the definition - thank you Barko! I'll add the straightened ones in a week...

Anumeta cestis (Ménétriès, 1849)
Ustyurt district, Oneri spring, 18.05.2008
picture: Anumeta_cestis_05_18_Oneri_0467.jpg

Anumeta spilota (Erschoff, 1874)
Ustyurt district, Oneri spring, 19.05.2008
picture: Anumeta_spilota_05_19_Oneri_0547.jpg

[i]Marsipiophora christophi (Erschoff, 1874) Ustyurt district, Karynzhyryk Sands, 20.05.2008
картинка: Anumeta_sp_05_20_sands_at_Akkuduk_0098.jpg

This post was edited by PG18-12/13/2008 10: 12
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11.12.2008 18:41, PG18

More, from Ustyurt:

Drasteria kusnezovi (John, 1910)
picture: Drasteria_cailino_05_17_Oneri_0378.jpg

Drasteria flexuosa (Ménétriès, 1849)
картинка: Drasteria_flexuosa_05_03_Mametkazgan_0282.jpg

Drasteria sesquistria (Eversmann, 1854)
картинка: Drasteria_sesquistria_05_15_sands_at_Akkuduk_0237.jpg

Drasteriodes limata (Christoph, 1884)
picture: Drasteriodes_limata_05_09_Kerndyrli_0329.jpg

This post was edited by PG18-12/24/2008 10: 52
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11.12.2008 18:49, PG18

Thria robusta (Walker, [1858])

Pictures:
picture: Pandesma_robusta_05_17_Oneri_0362.jpg
Pandesma_robusta_05_17_Oneri_0362.jpg — (78.41к)

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12.12.2008 17:44, barko

Please correct me if this is not the case. I'll add the straightened ones in a week.

3 Marsipiophora christophi (Erschoff, 1874)
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12.12.2008 17:56, barko

More, from Ustyurt:

[size=7]Drasteria (cailino) medialba Wiltshire, 1961

1 Drasteria chinensis (Alphéraky, 1892)
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13.12.2008 10:22, PG18

1 Drasteria chinensis (Alphéraky, 1892)

There is so little information about such taxa... frown.gif Described from China? Genitals would... By them (male genitals) my specimens are extremely close to Drasteria cailino from the North of Kazakhstan and the Southern Urals. Differences (in valva processes) at the level of a very close species or even subspecies.

13.12.2008 10:37, PG18

Drasteia cailino (Lefebvre, 1827)
West Eurasian steppe view. In the Southern Urals, butterflies are found in the valleys of steppe rivers, from late May to early July.Caterpillars develop on willows, rose hips, and less often on grasses.

This post was edited by PG18-13.12.2008 10: 51

Pictures:
picture: 281_Drasteria_cailino.jpg
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13.12.2008 10:39, PG18

Drasteria caucasica (Kolenati, 1846)
The species is distributed in south-eastern Europe, Near East Asia and Kazakhstan. In the Southern Urals, it is found in the southern steppes and semi-deserts, with the presence of narrow-leaved sucker-a food plant of caterpillars. Butterfly years from the end of May to September, in two generations.

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picture: 282_Drasteria_cauacasica.jpg
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13.12.2008 10:56, PG18

Euclidia fortalitium (Tauscher, 1809)
A little-known steppe species, distributed from the Lower Volga region to Mongolia. In the Southern Urals, butterflies were recorded in May and July. They are active both during the day and at night, when attracted by light. Caterpillars live on legumes (Bartel, 1914)

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picture: 285_Euclidia_fortalitium.jpg
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13.12.2008 11:07, PG18

Gonospileia munita (Hübner, 1813)
A little-known species distributed in the steppe regions of Kazakhstan, Near and Central Asia. In the Southern Urals, butterflies were observed in the Orenburg region, throughout the summer, apparently in two generations. They are mostly active at night. Biology is not studied.

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picture: 287_Gonospileia_munita.jpg
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13.12.2008 12:31, barko

There is so little information about such taxa... frown.gif Described from China? Genitals would... By them (male genitals) my specimens are extremely close to Drasteria cailino from the North of Kazakhstan and the Southern Urals. Differences (in valva processes) at the level of a very close species or even subspecies.

There really isn't much information. There is a lot here.
Proceedings of the Russian Entomological Society 1909-1910 Vol XXXX
Here are two glimpsed photos.

picture: DSC09558.JPG

And this is how the genitals were dissected at that time

picture: DSC09561.JPG
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13.12.2008 12:50, PG18

There really isn't much information. There is a lot here.
Proceedings of the Russian Entomological Society 1909-1910 Vol XXXX
Here are two glimpsed photos.


Very interesting! Thanks for the information. Or you can scan or reshoot the entire page. Or at least only tables with signatures? Chew's genitals are bigger. I'd really appreciate it.

13.12.2008 13:05, barko

Very interesting! Thanks for the information. Or you can scan or reshoot the entire page. Or at least only tables with signatures? Chew's genitals are bigger. I'd really appreciate it.

Unfortunately not. I only have a few semi-partial photos taken just to have an idea of what to look for and where to look if necessary. Let's throw a call on the forum. The book is Russian, Russian.
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13.12.2008 13:14, PG18

It's clear. I'll try to look it up in our city.

14.12.2008 13:37, barko

Drasteria saisani (Staudinger, 1882) Kazakhstan, Almaty region, August
picture: 001.jpg
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14.12.2008 14:01, barko

Apopestes spectrum (Esper, 1787) Slovenia, karst plateau, October

picture: 001.JPG

Caught on the bait-wine with sugar.

picture: DSC09319.jpg

This post was edited by barko - 12/16/2008 22: 30
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14.12.2008 15:26, Svyatoslav Knyazev

Gonospileia triquetra ([Denis et Schiffermuller, 1775)
Omsk region, May 2008
picture: triquetra01.jpg
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17.12.2008 15:54, barko

Cerocala insana (Herrich-Schäffer, [1858]) Cyprus, October

picture: 001.jpg
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21.12.2008 11:44, PG18

Remove the straighteners.
To start with Drasteria
All from Ustyurt w-ka, late April-early May

Drasteria rada (Boisduval, 1848)
Drasteria sesquistria (Eversmann, 1854)
картинка: Drasteria_rada___Drasteria_sesquistria.jpg

Drasteria picta (Christoph, 1877)
Drasteria rada (Boisduval, 1848) [size]
picture: Drasteria_picta___Drasteria_herzi.jpg

[size=7]Drasteria flexuosa (Ménétriès, 1849)
Drasteria saisani (Staudinger, 1882)
picture: Drasteria_flexuosa___Drasteria_saisani.jpg

Drasteria kusnezovi (John, 1910)
Drasteria cailino (Lefebvre, 1827)
картинка: Drasteria_chinensis___Drasteria_cailino.jpg

This post was edited by PG18-12/24/2008 10: 48
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21.12.2008 11:47, PG18

A couple more from the Pamir NW to the pile, Byrs Glacier, 3300 m NW, 11.07.89 The
first one is Drasteria obscurata (Staudinger, 1882) (Det. Barko)
The second is Drasteria catocalis (Staudinger, 1882) (Det. PG)

This post was edited by PG18-24.12.2008 10: 57

Pictures:
picture: Drasteria_spp___NW_Pamir.jpg
Drasteria_spp___NW_Pamir.jpg — (152.02к)

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21.12.2008 11:58, PG18

Ustyurt district again, April-May

Acantholipes regularis (Hübner, [1813])
Drasteriodes limata (Christoph, 1884)
картинка: Acantholipes_regularis___Drasterioides_limata.jpg
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21.12.2008 12:07, PG18

Ustyurt District
Please correct me if I made a mistake

Marsipiophora christophi (Erschoff, 1874)
Anumeta cestis (Ménétriès, 1849)
picture: Marsipiophora_christophi___Anumeta_cestis.jpg

Anumeta spilota Erschov, 1874
picture: Anumeta_spilota.jpg
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21.12.2008 12:14, PG18

Ustyurt District
Maybe anumetes again...
All hope for Barko shuffle.gif
picture: Catocalinae.jpg
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21.12.2008 12:23, barko

Before the pile is still a couple from the NW Pamir, Byrs glacier, 3300 m n. o. m., 11.07.89
Please help with the definition

First Drasteria obscurata (Staudinger, 1882)
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21.12.2008 14:37, PG18

Usyurt district..
Autophila
Clearly two types. I will venture to assume that there are also different subgenera (judging by the very significant enital differences)
picture: Autophila__2_spp_.jpg
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21.12.2008 14:55, PG18

Ustyurt district...
Assumed that Pandesma robusta. But hardly right...
picture: Pandesma.jpg
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21.12.2008 14:58, PG18

Ustyurt District..
Armada hueberi (Erschoff, 1874) - bottom
and some other (top)
picture: Armada_hueberi__.jpg
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21.12.2008 15:17, barko

Ustyurt District
Maybe anumetes again...
All hope for Barko shuffle.gif

Yes, both anumets. For illustration, here are photos of these species from my collection.

1 Anumeta cestis (Ménétriés, 1848) the butterfly can be light or dark

picture: DSC09743.jpg

2 Anumeta fractistrigata (Alphéraky, 1882)

picture: DSC09746.jpg

This post was edited by barko - 12/21/2008 15: 18
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21.12.2008 15:19, PG18

Ustyurt District..
Pericyma possibly albidentaria (Freyer, 1842)
But rather two different species, judging by the dislocation of the kidney spot and differences in the shape of the aedeagus
picture: Pericyma_albidentaria.jpg

This post was edited by PG18-12/25/2008 10: 12
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21.12.2008 22:26, PG18

Yes, both anumets. For illustration, here are photos of these species from my collection.

1 Anumeta cestis (Ménétriés, 1848) the butterfly can be light or dark

picture: DSC09743.jpg

Thanks! Coloring is fine. But it's hard to believe that the first copy is conspecific to the next three. The drawing is different!..

22.12.2008 15:34, barko

Thanks! Coloring is fine. But it's hard to believe that the first copy is conspecific to the next three. The drawing is different!..

They are all of the same species, Anumeta cestis. And there's no mistaking them. For clarity, I dissected the first and second from above (males). The structure of the genitals is identical.

22.12.2008 19:53, PG18

They are all of the same species, Anumeta cestis. And there's no mistaking them. For clarity, I dissected the first and second from above (males). The structure of the genitals is identical.

Oleg! Regarding the differences. Within some genera, the genital differences between species can be dramatic (for example, in Autophila), while within others, they are barely noticeable. The general structure of Anumeta species is apparently very similar, but the differences are subtle. To detect them, it is often necessary to cook several copies of each type... Try to cook Anumeta fractistrigata and again you will not see any obvious differences... Although they are. Pay attention to the difference in the length of the valva and, with a significant increase, to the location of long bristles on its inner surface (at the top). For example, Anumeta fractistrigata's valva must be longer than that of the first instance from the top of your image, and its top reaches the top of the uncus...
Unfortunately, I don't seem to have a male of the supposedly "real" Anumeta cestis (there are 3 lower specimens in your picture)...
What do your friends from the museum think?

23.12.2008 0:57, barko

Oleg! Regarding the differences. Within some genera, the genital differences between species can be dramatic (for example, in Autophila), while within others, they are barely noticeable. The general structure of Anumeta species is apparently very similar, but the differences are subtle. To detect them, it is often necessary to cook several copies of each type... Try to cook Anumeta fractistrigata and again you will not see any obvious differences... Although they are. Pay attention to the difference in the length of the valva and, with a significant increase, to the location of long bristles on its inner surface (at the top). For example, Anumeta fractistrigata's valva must be longer than that of the first instance from the top of your image, and its top reaches the top of the uncus...
Unfortunately, I don't seem to have a male of the supposedly "real" Anumeta cestis (there are 3 lower specimens in your picture)...
What do your friends from the museum think?

Pavel, as I already wrote by email, they are all cestis. yes.gif
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23.12.2008 20:51, barko

Usyurt district..
Autophila
Clearly two types. I will venture to assume that there are also different subgenera (judging by the very significant enital differences)
picture: Autophila__2_spp_.jpg

Not just two types. Two subfamilies. The first is Dichagyris sp.

This post was edited by barko - 12/23/2008 20: 54
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24.12.2008 10:55, PG18

1 Drasteria chinensis (Alphéraky, 1892)

It turned out to be Drasteria kusnezovi (John, 1910). Thanks again to Barko for O.John (1910)

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