Hadeninae

Based on the photo, but when determining it, he always writes if in doubt. In this case, the answer was yes.

Based on the photo, but when determining it, he always writes if in doubt. In this case, the answer was yes.

better to cook it! a specialist can also make a mistake... especially from photos.

Coranarta cordigera near Moscow, calculated and caught at the end of May 2012 in the Batkovsky swamp.

IMG_1207 by lepidopterolog, on Flickr

Two spring anarts from Western Kazakhstan (the first is more steppe, the second is desert):
Anarta actinobola (Eversmann, 1837) (= nupponenorum) - Kumzhargan sands
Anarta sabulorum (Alpheraky, 1882) - Near the Aral Sea near the village of Bozoi

This post was edited by PG18-30.06.2012 05: 15

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Scoops of the genus Orthosia from the Ivanovo region.

Orthosia gothica (Linnaeus, 1758)
Ivanovo region, Shui district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
on 21.04.2012

02.05.2011

21.04.2012

29.04.2012

10.05.1993 Ivanovo region, Ivanovo, quarry "City", on light, leg. Molodkin A. N.

Orthosia incerta(Hufnagel, 1766)
Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
on 21.04.2012

21.04.2012

21.04.2012

29.04.2012

29.04.2012

21.04.2012

29.04.2012

29.04.2012

21.04.2012

Orthosia opima (Hübner, 1809)
10.05.2010 Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, on light

06.05.1993 Ivanovo region, Ivanovo, quarry "City", on light, leg. Molodkin A. N.

Orthosia populeti (Fabricius, 1781)
30.04.1994 Ivanovo region, Ivanovo, quarry "City", on the light, leg. Molodkin A. N.

02.05.2011 Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, on light

02.05.2011

Orthosia gracilis (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775)
Ivanovo region, Shui district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
24.04.2010

02.05.2011

24.04.2010

Orthosia miniosa ([Schiffermuller], 1775)
Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
on 21.04.2012

02.05.2011

Orthosia cerasi (Fabricius, 1775)
Ivanovo region, Shui district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
02.05.2011

02.05.2011

Orthosia cruda ([Schiffermuller], 1775)
Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
02.05.2011

01.05.2011

Anorthoa munda (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775)
Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
on 21.04.2012

29.04.2012


This post was edited by TEMPUS - 10/25/2012 17: 31

2 - Are you sure?

2 - Are you sure?

Yes, I believe (at least until now) this instance of Anorthoa munda. Are there any doubts?

It seems to me-isert, it is not quite fresh, so the drawing is poorly distinguishable. At munda, I have not yet met such a cross hatching. But if you are sure, then so be it, but I would call it iserta.

It seems to me-isert, it is not quite fresh, so the drawing is poorly distinguishable. At munda, I have not yet met such a cross hatching. But if you are sure, then so be it, but I would call it iserta.

Now I have some doubts myself. The fact is that I also have this only instance, probably Anorthoa munda with such a cross hatching. All my other munds (about two dozen copies collected over the past three years) have absolutely normal color. In any case, I'll leave the photo for now - maybe someone else will comment.

cook it and all the talk even though it is a female, but the differences in these species on the genitals are good for both sexes.

From the shape of the wings, the color of the hind wings, I would say that this is a munda. Can I take a photo without glitter and strictly vertically (currently taken at an angle)? It is advisable to remove stigmata.

From the shape of the wings, the color of the hind wings, I would say that this is a munda. Can I take a photo without glitter and strictly vertically (currently taken at an angle)? It is advisable to remove stigmata.

I took a new photo. I tried to remove the shine as much as possible. Maybe now you can determine?

unfortunately the shape of the spots is not visible

Panolis flammea (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775)
02.05.2011 Ivanovo region, Shuysky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, to light

04.05.1993 Ivanovo region, Ivanovo, quarry "City", on light, leg. Molodkin A. N.

01.05.2011 Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, on light

29.04.1994 Ivanovo region, Ivanovo, quarry "City", on light, leg. Molodkin A. N.

I think it's A. munda. I also sometimes come across similar specimens without black spots, although less often than the standard ones. Here are some A. munda caught on 12.04.2012 in the Vitebsk region.

I was more surprised by O. gothica completely devoid of black color - I caught this species in hundreds of specimens, but I have never seen such ones.

Frankly speaking, I don't understand your difficulties with defining munda and incerta. Without any decoctions, you can distinguish the females of these species. They're from different families!!!

Incerta females have smooth antennae with sparse "hairs", the 7th sternite of the abdomen can not be confused with anything, it has a sharp outgrowth with jagged edges, the 8th segment is huge, elongated.

Munda has picten antennas, the 7th sternite is a simple plate with a concave edge, and the 8th segment is short.

There are a dozen other differences in the structure of the head.

It seems to me-isert, it is not quite fresh, so the drawing is poorly distinguishable. At munda, I have not yet met such a cross hatching. But if you are sure, then so be it, but I would call it iserta.

From the shape of the wings, the color of the hind wings, I would say that this is a munda. Can I take a photo without glitter and strictly vertically (currently taken at an angle)? It is advisable to remove stigmata.

Frankly speaking, I don't understand your difficulties with defining munda and incerta. Without any decoctions, you can distinguish the females of these species. They're from different families!!!

Incerta females have smooth antennae with sparse "hairs", the 7th sternite of the abdomen can not be confused with anything, it has a sharp outgrowth with jagged edges, the 8th segment is huge, elongated.

Munda has picten antennas, the 7th sternite is a simple plate with a concave edge, and the 8th segment is short.

There are a dozen other differences in the structure of the head.

Once again, I carefully, carefully and scrupulously rechecked the instance whose definition raised questions here. I especially carefully reviewed the copy for compliance with the features that barko pointed out in his last post. In general, I have to admit, I was wrong. As they say, I admit my guilt, measure, degree, depth. A copy of the scoop, which I had previously taken for Anorthoa munda for a long time, actually turned out to be Orthosia incerta. Thus, Vasily Sergienko (svm2) was right. And in this situation, I have no choice but to admit my mistake. Post with photos of Anorthoa munda edited, wrong photo deleted.

Hecatera cappa from the Saratov region:


Hecatera cappa by kbegemot1, on Flickr

Moscow region representatives of the genus Polia. All from Zhukovsky.[attachmentid()=112360]

Your hepatica is definitely nebulosa, now I'll post my own for comparison.

Polia hepatica (Clerck, 1759)
From top to bottom: Belarus, Minsk region 23.06.2006; Belarus, Vitebsk region 23.06.2005; Kabardino-Balkaria, Bezengi 19.07.2011


Polia nebulosa (Hufnagel, 1766)
Left column from top to bottom: Belarus, Vitebsk region 12.07.2003; Krasnodar Territory, 57 km from Maykop 11.08.2007; Belarus, Gomel region 10.06.2008; Right column: Kabardino-Balkaria, Bezengi 19.07.2011; Belarus, Vitebsk region 03.07.2003


This post was edited by EvgenD - 11.11.2012 11: 00

Polia serratilinea Ochsenheimer, 1816
Kabardino-Balkaria, Bezengi 25.07.2011

Hadena filograna (Esper, [1788]) and Hadena albimacula (Borkhausen, 1792)
Both caught: Belarus, Vitebsk region 09.06.2012

For Djon. Thank you very much! Now I understand.

Hadena dianthoecioides (Boursin, 1940)
Kabardino-Balkaria, Bezengi 19.07.2011

Hadena secreta Hacker, 1996
Kabardino-Balkaria, Bezengi 19-28. 07. 2011, h=2200-2600 m

At the suggestion of Oleg, I post here a few Hadena collected by me at the end of July 2009 in the Uzunkol gorge of Karachay-Cherkessia (h=2000 m).
The problem, in fact, is only with females (in photo #1 - # 5). All three males (#6- # 8) are Hadena caesia. But females can be both this species, and H. clara, and H. melanochroa.
Next, there will be photos of preparations of the genitals of females. For No. 1, I do not give the drug, because this was my first attempt to extract spermatophore from the bursa, and it ended very unsuccessfully. In No. 2 and No. 3, the bursa was also damaged during the operation, but not so fatally. The last two have a better situation, because I finally figured out to make a hole not in the membranous part (which breaks into trash when trying to pull out the spermatophore), but in the sclerotized part of the bag.

Zhenya, before we start defining, a few tips!

1 - in Haden females, stretch the "tip of the genitals" to the maximum. Just grab the ovipositor with tweezers and pull until the membrane is fully straightened.

2-always place your genitals in the same position. It is preferable to choose the view "from the back", so that the ductus seminalis is located on the right. Otherwise, it is difficult to compare.

Taking into account the comments, I redid the photos, the numbering remained the same, but I also photographed the preparation of female No. 1 and added the preparation of the male Hadena caesia and the female (Hadena sp.) 2008 from Adyl-Su, I will take a photo of these two butterflies later. I will delete the previous message so as not to clutter up the topic with uninformative images.




Male Hadena caesia separately.

It's a little shallow somehow.

I'll dilute it:
Sideridis (Heliophobus) reticulata (Goeze, 1781)
Many thanks to aleko for defining the view.
28.05.2012 M. O. G. Zheleznodorozhny, on svet.

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Taking into account the comments, I redid the photos, the numbering remained the same, but I also photographed the preparation of female No. 1 and added the preparation of the male Hadena caesia and the female (Hadena sp.) 2008 from Adyl-Su, I will take a photo of these two butterflies later. I will delete the previous message so as not to clutter up the topic with uninformative images.
Male Hadena caesia separately.

Genitals crushed, lots of artefacts. I pass.

Genitals crushed, lots of artefacts. I'll pass.

Unfortunately, several copies of the bag are badly damaged, they do not keep their shape well. Today I tried to change one drug, what do you say?

At the moment, I probably can't do better. I tried to shoot in two ways-using a mirror from below, and covering it with paper. With paper, it would be better, all this small noise - dust motes, scratches-would disappear. Only here you can not do without painting. Can you post an eosin staining technique in the topic on genital dissection? They promised to get it for me here. Can eosin-stained preparations be stored in glycerol?

Moscow region representatives of the genus Polia. All from Zhukovsky.
P. hepatica

In my opinion, hepatica is also nebulosa

Hmm. Actually, it's noticeably different in appearance: smoother, or something; I would rather confuse it with bombycina, only it doesn't have a reddish color. And show your hepatica?

I also believe it is nebulosa.

IMHO, 100% P. nebulosa. I also met such people, in particular in Podillia and Transcarpathia

IMHO, 100% P. nebulosa. I also met such people, in particular in Podillia and Transcarpathia

+1 )

Lacanobia w-latinum (Hufnagel, 1766) det. svm2
26.05.2012 Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, on light

Lacanobia thalassina (Hufnagel, 1766) det. svm2
09.07.2012 Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, on light

Conisania luteago (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775)
Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
on 26.05.2012

16.06.2012

I cook my own, from the south of Ukraine, Anarta stigmosa, determined by NE Vol. 4 Hadeninae 1. And I get a strange picture. Males are Anarta stigmosa, females are Anarta sodae, which we shouldn't have. Who has ever encountered this? Where is the error, in my eyes, in low-quality photos of the gene. females or a mistake in the compilation of the book, changed the positions of females?
Does anyone have another high-quality image of the female Anarta stigmosa gene? I'd like to see it.