Bioethics in entomology

Can't the pursuit of them (for the purpose of selling them, for example) significantly undermine their already low numbers and cause kaput? It's not about the last copy, of course.
Well, in general, in my opinion, there is already a lot said about it.
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Still, I would differentiate commerce from romance.

Okay, I'll tell you more. Let's say it wasn't commercial, let's say we found a small population of a rare species in an extremely limited area. Scientists have discovered. Smart ones. With beards and glasses, the first one who finds out, essno, cuts through the chip, collects a large series. Publishes an article. Notifies others of the same type. Familiar entomologists. People go there, catch each one in a series, and so on from year to year, to confirm the documentary existence of this species in this particular place. Those, in turn, share the secrets of happiness with their entomologists friends. Serial fees continue. Do you think it is impossible to kill such a population using such methods? I think the real number is

Okay, I'll tell you more. Let's say it wasn't commercial, let's say we found a small population of a rare species in an extremely limited area. Scientists have discovered. Smart ones. With beards and glasses, the first one who finds out, essno, cuts through the chip, collects a large series. Publishes an article. Notifies others of the same type. Familiar entomologists. People go there, catch each one in a series, and so on from year to year, to confirm the documentary existence of this species in this particular place. Those, in turn, share the secrets of happiness with their entomologists friends. Serial fees continue. Do you think it is impossible to kill such a population using such methods? I think it's Real Madrid.

Well, why is it impossible. Theoretically, it is quite possible, especially if the rare species is quite vulnerable to entomologists - it is clearly visible, has a catchy color (especially for butterflies), occurs only on a certain plant, etc. But scientists are scientists to understand the possible dangers of this kind. It's not for nothing that they grow beards and wear glasses. Moreover, the complete eradication of a particular population is not a matter of one year, and this process will be reflected in a steady decrease in the number of individuals caught, which should already lead to certain thoughts - to introduce restrictions on catching this species in this territory, or even ban it altogether, arrange a mini-reserve, etc.

I'm sorry, but do you know HOW micro-orders work? I think not.

Killing a few beetles by an entomologist is a drop in the bucket compared to the coming bohaos

I totally agree. If you think about it, almost every species in nature has enemies, all insects are exposed to the elements - sudden frosts, flooding of territories, fires... Yes, you never know what other natural processes can contribute to reducing the number of individuals in the population. Entomologists ' capture seems to be the same force majeure for the population as the listed phenomena - that is, some individuals are still doomed to die as a result of various natural processes, and any small-scale stable population has resources to support itself.
Another thing is when such processes are triggered by a person's hand that simply "knock out the basis of being" of a population - a forage plant is destroyed throughout its habitat, swamps are drained, natural territories are built up with housing or industrial structures... Yes, you never know such examples, literally in front of your nose-just look out the window...

I'm sorry, but do you know HOW micro-orders work? I don't think so.

You're right, I don't know how to create micro-orders. Does this fundamentally change the essence of the matter? I would appreciate it if you could tell me what happened and how, if you know it.

This post was edited by Necrocephalus - 02/11/2007 19: 32

You forgot to add volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, tsunamis, and hedgehog herds:" What are we not horses for? "

Okay, I'll tell you more. Let's say it wasn't commercial, let's say we found a small population of a rare species in an extremely limited area. Scientists have discovered. Smart ones. With beards and glasses, the first one who finds out, essno, cuts through the chip, collects a large series. Publishes an article. Notifies others of the same type. Familiar entomologists. People go there, catch each one in a series, and so on from year to year, to confirm the documentary existence of this species in this particular place. Those, in turn, share the secrets of happiness with their entomologists friends. Serial fees continue. Do you think it is impossible to kill such a population using such methods? I think it's Real Madrid.

Theoretically, you can lime poor beetles, but practically....... The emphasis is on the fact that there are not so many entomologists. More beetles!!!

I don't think I'll miss the opportunity to catch a good view, especially if I don't have one in my collection . It's a shame when some goat just crushes it with his foot, taking all the mustachios for cockroaches.

This post was edited by rpanin - 11.02.2007 20: 12

Apparently, my theory does not mean anything, although it is probably correct from a legislative point of view. In general, this is my advice to everyone: we found something interesting, unique, saved up money and bought 3, 6, 10 acres. It's easier, faster, more reliable, and it warms your heart. The method is effective, of course, only at a considerable distance from Moscow, so that the last pants do not take off

Duc, I won't miss it myself, but when you already have a certain amount of them, it's important to stop on time. In addition, it may not collect "as much as you can find" within one population, but limit yourself to, for example, a heel of pieces, and next year you can afford another five...Both informative and revealing, and even more useful for science. Of course, we are talking only about populations of small territories. But if, suddenly, you meet an incomprehensible placer of "diamonds", then, of course, bioethics is useless.

Duc, I won't miss it myself, but when you already have a certain amount of them, it's important to stop on time. In addition, it may not collect "as much as you can find" within one population, but limit yourself to, for example, a heel of pieces, and next year you can afford another five...Both informative and revealing, and even more useful for science. Of course, we are talking only about populations of small territories. But if, suddenly, you meet an incomprehensible placer of "diamonds", then, of course, bioethics is useless.  

I agree with the above.
You don't really get attached to old places-you're always looking for something new.

Duc, I won't miss it myself, but when you already have a certain amount of them, it's important to stop on time. In addition, it may not collect "as much as you can find" within one population, but limit yourself to, for example, a heel of pieces, and next year you can afford another five...Both informative and revealing, and even more useful for science. Of course, we are talking only about populations of small territories. But if, suddenly, you meet an incomprehensible placer of "diamonds", then, of course, bioethics is useless.  

Mmm, I agree on the whole. In my humble understanding, the value is not only the beetle in the collection, but the awareness that in such and such a place, at such and such a time, you can meet such and such a rarity. This is already your own know-how, or something. And the extinction of the population, even if represented by hundreds of species in a box, is disastrous for this approach.

"And yet I would differentiate commerce from romance"
No, commerce is not entomology! Entomology is a passion for insects, not for making money, otherwise you can equate the economy with entomology.

And at all.. buying insects is not fun, only if you understand well that you can't catch them yourself, but even then it doesn't pull so much. It's fun to change, but it's also not the same. This is the greatest value of exactly what is caught with your own hands, even if it is nonsense. Immediately there are vivid memories of those warm and interesting days.

Here I am reading all this, it makes me cry!!! I'm also one of the pitying entomologists. It is often a pity to starve what is still alive in the trap. I let go and I can't help it. Well, for scientific purposes, I still understand killing insects (although it's still murder), but what I can't accept is that it's senseless killing. Usually it affects stupid aunts who squeal at the sight of any bug and, most eerily, children. And they also do not care whether the unfortunate insect is able to bite or not-with its foot!!! I remember in some popular science film about tropical animals, they showed a bird-eating spider living near a local village. Residents sometimes came to see it. It is terrible to think of the fate that would have befallen him here! For this reason, I believe that first of all we should try to change the way of thinking of the population.

Yes, mutton, it's all right! Yes, and I will be able to slaughter a sheep quite well, and my conscience will not be tormented. It still won't lead to anything. I just expressed my point of view on collecting insects.

Bravo! I have seen what these lambs are doing in Uzbekistan . After that, I can slaughter a sheep or goat without any problems.

That's all, we choose the place where most of these reptiles are and go to lamb or sheepskin kebabs, in extreme cases beef. As spring knocks on the window, so that you can catch insects. At the same time, we will also try the little humans, if those strongly arise about the killing of mammals will be

No, I won't kill cows. I'm telling you this as a veterinarian.

No, I won't kill cows. I'm telling you this as a veterinarian.

Jokes are jokes, but the fact that cattle are driven through protected lands(where there is more grass), and even at the same time last year's grass is burned in the spring(a crying disgrace), this is the heart of a naturalist who can hardly bear it.
And really, how to instill culture in agricultural aborigines???

Ours? No way.

I have long wanted to work with a hatchet - soon in the field

Ours? No way.

By the way, and nenashim too
Such is life-everyone wants to eat (Madagascar, goodbye)

And really, how to instill culture in agricultural aborigines???

"Only mass shootings will save the Motherland," as Comrade Lenin said. The goblin.

I didn't get anything wrong, is this a site about loving nature?

The question is not what you want to eat, but that the term "rational use of natural resources" is inaccessible to most of our farmers. Just because of the structure of their brains.

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When I was looking for the report "degradation of the animal world" at school, there was one thing everywhere-the main breakdown was a PERSON. And with such a large number of people in the world, it is not possible to stop the degradation of the biosphere, much less restore it.
So to soak the lambs and eat them is something else - here you need to reduce the population of the earth

You can, of course, answer, but then Bolivar will definitely not forgive me.

If you don't go out of line...

This post was edited by Bolivar - 02/13/2007 22: 54

Bolivar agrees, so there will be no thunderstorms - post your post, because Lent is coming soon!

Bravo! I have seen what these lambs are doing in Uzbekistan . After that, I can slaughter a sheep or goat without any problems.



What are you all saying about sheep and goats? But there are still motorists. I collected last year dead insects on the side of the highway.... I do not kill as many insects in a year as the car owner kills after driving fifty kilometers outside the city....

Not just insects! I, thus, having walked about 5 kilometers, collected 10 corpses of forest birds of different species.

Not just insects! I, thus, having walked about 5 kilometers, collected 10 corpses of forest birds of different species.

Of course, it hurts, but this side effect of progress can not be affected in any way.
By the way, a good way to gather insects. (more than one km has passed . True, I haven't found anything rare yet.)

"Of course it hurts, but this side effect of progress can not be affected in any way. "


One thing is a little scary: when billions of living things are destroyed, it's like a side effect of progress, and as an unfortunate entomologist killed several thousand insects, so immediately he's a vile type and would forbid it even more...

Yes it's a common thing-stole a jar of jam - to jail, stole a billion - a seat in the government

"Of course it hurts, but this side effect of progress can not be affected in any way. "
One thing is a little scary: when billions of living things are destroyed, this is like a side effect of progress, and as an unfortunate entomologist killed several thousand insects, so immediately he is a vile type and would forbid it even more...

I think these words say the whole philosophy of this topic !

Yes, as Comrade said. Stalin: "The murder of one person is a tragedy, the murder of millions is a statistic." I liked Sergeich's variation.

Guys, killing one doesn't take away the responsibility of the killer.
The problem is not with nature, but with the killer personally.
And you don't need self-persuasion.

Guys, killing one doesn't take away the responsibility of the killer.
The problem is not with nature, but with the killer personally.
And you don't need self-persuasion.

Meaningless polemic. It's not how many insects you've killed that matters, it's why! I am always touched by philosophers who come up with their sermons about murder, while calmly eating meat and fish, picking armfuls of flowers for their loved ones, breaking branches for the fire.
Or are the necessities of the womb sacred? Do not judge, so that you will not be judged. Everyone will answer for their actions!

mmm... It's not the goal that matters. A priest can also kill a Satanist, saying that it is for the sake of good in the whole world, etc. It is important who you kill, how you kill, why, who suffers, what suffers. You can't just take one factor into account.
It is not excusable to kill for fun, it is not excusable to kill huge amounts for fun, or just unnecessarily, when so much is not needed. There should be some restrictions everywhere, but there are few of them in the human world.

mmm... It's not the goal that matters. A priest can also kill a Satanist, saying that it is for the sake of good in the whole world, etc. It is important who you kill, how you kill, why, who suffers, what suffers. You can't just take one factor into account.
It is not excusable to kill for fun, it is not excusable to kill huge amounts for fun, or just unnecessarily, when so much is not needed. There should be some restrictions everywhere, but there are few of them in the human world.

In our business, sin is murder due to lack of culture.
We need to finish this topic. I think an entomologist is always a nature lover at heart ! And you don't have to teach him . Do not pay attention to some moralists-provocateurs exaggerating to the point of absurdity in general rhetorical questions.

This post was edited by rpanin - 12.03.2007 17: 56

Well, finishing...
And the sin in our business is to collect the material and not save it, so to speak, to kill the bug for nothing.