How to go to Primorye?

Starting to save money.

Maybe someone will sponsor me a trip to Primorye.. Well, or to another part of Russia Honestly, I'll share my accumulated experience :D

Of course, our sponsors are not very good, but if anyone wants, write and I will tell you how much a ten-day trip from Moscow to Primorye cost us this summer.

Morozzz:
Well, I know the prices approximately, so sponsors are the only way out More precisely empty dreams

Morozzz:
Well, I know the prices approximately, so sponsors are the only way out For empty dreams

Have you tried working?

Of course, our sponsors are not very good, but if anyone wants, write and I will tell you how much a ten-day trip from Moscow to Primorye cost us this summer.

The financial issue is very interesting and, preferably, not only in general, but also in stages.

This post was edited by lekseich - 26.11.2006 15: 07

Or maybe we can chip in , and throw one little man somewhere in Usuriysk. I agree to donate money to a common cause, and entomologists are generally honest people.

I agree! If it doesn't come out too much.. it depends on how many people chip in
In general, it will turn out like this - everyone throws off and sends a Wasp Hunter or vespabelliculous. They go, they come back and everyone asks them: "Wow, you finally arrived, well, what was it, what did you bring?" They respond: "Everything is just SOOOOOO, so many photos were taken, so many cool wasps were caught." All dazed, one: "And where are my beetles?", another: "and where are my butterflies?", the third: "and where are my hymenoptera" , etc. etc.

PS
And in general it is not good so zaglaza themes on my behalf to create

Author of the first message = author of the topic
Flood pulled out of the "Sale of insects"

This post was edited by Bolivar - 27.11.2006 16: 25

Go, of course, it is necessary.And sending a messenger is also a good idea.Preferably, at least two, and experienced.That it would not be booze and run around women, but they were engaged in business.You can open a list of volunteers and sponsors

Let's see how many people will gather. And then we'll see who's relict woodcutter, who's wasp, who's sericin.

And you, dear guest, would do well to log in

First, we determine the total amount of the trip for 1 person. Then we count the people

And you, dear guest, would do well to log in

And how ? The admin told me that so far I am only a guest

And how ? The admin told me that I'm just a guest for now

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Well, everything worked out, thank you. I think Frost knows how much this pleasure is worth.

Now, dear andros, check out the topic - " Survey: Which of the insect orders is most interesting to you? ", let us know what is closer to you, and you are in our club

Right now, probably, Comrade. Juglans reads this thread and laughs at us all.

This post was edited by Morozzz - 11/28/2006 17: 19

So that's it.
To get there by plane, you need to prepare about a thousand Yandex units for the road.
Naturally, the question is: Where exactly in Primorye do you want to go?
In the border areas, the order will change like from January 1 (if I'm not mistaken). There is information about this on the forum somewhere.
How many days are you going to be there? What time are you going to leave?

I'll add my thoughts on sponsors: A sponsor is somewhat naive. The sponsor should probably be interested in your fees.
Well, and ridiculous, or something, and the idea of zaslantse. A person should be competent in most matters of collecting a wide variety of insect groups. The material should be collected in series, and not like this - " oh, well, there were so many of them flying, they are so beautiful-it's a pity." I must understand the categories of material quality - what is there A, what is there A -, what is there B and C. After all, the "sent" must be sure that they will not be brought "horns and legs".
Then I understand it: one of these Zaslanets climbed the hills, fed ticks, dodged cottonmouths, saved clothes and material from mold, caught it, arrived, and everyone will fly-sericin for me, relictus for me.
There is such a thing as sharing stuff.

By the way, if you are interested in some butterflies of Primorye (Khasansky district), I can offer you something. There are no particularly unique or rare ones, but you never know.

If you are interested, I will post it in the section "materials and equipment".

That's it.In the topics about exchanges, post them.
About a grand.However!I can't believe it.Tormented by doubts.For a "ton", you can send a runner on an exotic tour, for example, to Thailand.Tell me more about the price."Tickets, accommodation.
with the topic-who to send and where, it's still too early.

A piece of pupaars is a small real minimum. And yes, now it is easier and cheaper to get to some exotic places than in the Far East of Russia. This is mainly due to charters, tourism development, and special airline promotions.

A piece is a minimum - not much is said.
And if you want to go to different places. Few people are going to catch stationary fish. And you have to pay for travel, and so, just in case, you need to have money.

About exotic tours - you also need to know where exactly. So you can find yourself outside the law in a foreign country. Many exotic countries, especially Asian ones, have strict laws. You'll arrive at the airport with your luggage, and land at home with a " bottle of Coke and your pockets turned out." And this happens at best.

I don't remember if I still have that address.. In general, they fly from Moscow to the tropics (Thailand, Borneo, to se). In my opinion, there comes out about 2000 bucks for 2 weeks or a month, you can catch anything you want. There on foot to all sorts of places, spend the night with private traders, the price includes food and travel and all that.

In general, the site I have not recorded, not found.. I need to find it better in Google, but I don't remember what keys I was looking for..

About exotic tours - you also need to know where exactly. So you can find yourself outside the law in a foreign country. Many exotic countries, especially Asian ones, have strict laws. You'll arrive at the airport with your luggage, and land at home with a " bottle of Coke and your pockets turned out." And this happens at best.

In Thailand. For example. There are promotions - $ 400round trip. On-site costs are minimal. But it is impossible to predict such "gifts of fate" (if you do not work in Aeroflot, or who flies there on a regular basis).

As for DV, yes, one flight costs almost more than a piece of CU. The most unpleasant thing is that in the summer everything is much more expensive (in terms of flights, and hotels, of course) than in winter. In winter, flying to Siberia is not at all expensive (for such distances). I remember that I flew to Irkutsk in February (for work, not for beetles) either for 300, or for 350 bucks there and back..

the minimum price of a trip to Nepal, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Cuba, and the Caribbean in general, Peru, and all of Africa is around 2 thousand CU. At least this means: a trip during a period of low prices (our winter, but for the tropics this time is the most important), moving around the country only for local people public transport (forget about renting a jeep), do not pay for admission to national parks (you would be very surprised how much it costs there), overnight stays either in local rural hotels (3-5 ue) or in a tent, and food. .. you understand it individually...)

I forgot to say that this is all for a month. To go for a shorter period of time in such a distance simply does not make sense. Ideally, of course, you need 3 months. In general, the longer the cheaper, since the factor of subtracting from the cost of the trip the amounts that you spend at home for life during the month comes into effect. For example, if the cost of living in Russia is 300 ue per month, you will fully pay for your accommodation for 3 months of the expedition and only the ticket price is a net expense. Which, by the way, you can try to recoup by bringing something for sale.

who are we sending for 3 months? Everything should pay off with money and beetles

And what in fact, there are entomologists in the Far East, maybe just negotiate with them, it will be cheaper in any case.

maybe possible.. But what should they change that for? Do they need and don't they have what we have? Yes, and the most pleasant place to look

Maybe with money, everything will be cheaper. Airplane piece of bucks

As for DV, yes, one flight costs almost more than a piece of CU. The most unpleasant thing is that in the summer everything is much more expensive (in terms of flights, and hotels, of course) than in winter. In winter, flying to Siberia is not at all expensive (for such distances). I remember that I flew to Irkutsk in February (for work, not for beetles) either for 300, or for 350 bucks there and back..

Or maybe it's like this: you fly in the winter, wait for the summer, catch it, go, then come back next winter?
In general, most exotic fish can be caught in Southeast Asia. Somewhere in Kalimantan, I guess...

the minimum price of a trip to Nepal, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Cuba, and the Caribbean in general, Peru, and all of Africa is around 2 thousand CU. At least this means: a trip during a period of low prices (our winter, but for the tropics this time is the most important), moving around the country only for local people public transport (forget about renting a jeep), do not pay for admission to national parks (you would be very surprised how much it costs there), overnight stays either in local rural hotels (3-5 ue) or in a tent, and food. .. you know it's individual...)

I don't know about Thailand, but you can't go to Peru for 2000. This raises the question of whether the trip is appropriate. What is the point of going to faraway lands, spending money on flights, living in a hut and eventually bringing 500 (spending at least 2500)? Meaning? I don't mean that you only need to buy insects (you can't buy impressions), but that you need to take at least 1000, and preferably 1500-2000 with you to buy material from local hunters (at relatively low prices) that you can't catch yourself.

The point of spending money is to get pleasure from collecting insects and new experiences.

An expensive treat, however. You need to at least partially recoup the trip, so that it will not be excruciatingly painful for the money spent aimlessly: -))))

An expensive treat, however. It is necessary to at least partially recoup the trip, so that it will not be excruciatingly painful for the money spent aimlessly: -))))

Actually, amateur entomology is considered an expensive hobby. Especially when it comes to butterflies. All the amateurs I know are either single-family fanatics who spend all their money on insects, or fairly well-off people who easily allocate large enough sums from their annual budget for travel, equipment, and buying material if they need it.
It may be objected to me that collecting insects around your city or in the country is not expensive, but the fact is that real entomology begins only when you start traveling to various exotic places, even in Primorye.
As for paying for trips, this is desirable, but not necessary. Believe me, if you spend a month in the rainforest or mountains of New Guinea, Congo or Chile, you will get such a huge charge of positive energy that you will not regret a bunch of colored papers!
And by the way, people usually bring very little from the first exotic trip. The lack of experience of fishing in the tropics affects, especially for beetles.

This post was edited by Proctos - 02.12.2006 05: 29

So far, nothing has been heard about changes in arrival in Primorye. I think that the changes will be minimal. It is not necessary to go to the border areas-last year students in the area of the Lazovsky Reserve caught two danaids.

I remember how Mavrodi sponsored some Muscovites to catch local butterflies. I can recommend this option: find a foreigner who would like to visit Primorye, but they need a Russian-speaking guide. This is not very difficult to do through THEIR forums. It doesn't have to be an entomologist - it's better to be paired with a botanist. Often visiting amateur entomologists do not know the local flora at all, they look for eggs and caterpillars of the same marshmallows on the wrong forage trees.

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Tell me, do you have any problems with the export of butterflies from Chile? And that zgachit "pays off", they are then sold?

Actually, amateur entomology is considered an expensive hobby. Especially when it comes to butterflies. All the amateurs I know are either single-family fanatics who spend all their money on insects, or fairly well-off people who easily allocate large enough sums from their annual budget for travel, equipment, and buying material if they need it.

I totally agree.

As for paying for trips, this is desirable, but not necessary. Believe me, if you spend a month in the rainforest or mountains of New Guinea, Congo or Chile, you will get such a huge charge of positive energy that you will not regret a bunch of colored papers!
And by the way, people usually bring very little from the first exotic trip. The lack of experience of fishing in the tropics affects, especially for beetles.

A bunch of colored pieces of paper will be needed when you realize that you didn't bring so much the first time, and, believe me, you want to go there a second time (or maybe a third!)