How do you like it?...

I just wonder why people care more: about the problem of studying biodiversity or about developing their own business?

By the way, I noticed that many authors do not always bother to explain the etymology.
As for selling titles , I don't see anything special. They are also named after colleagues, friends, and collectors. There were even some beetles named after politicians...
And the money seems to be promised to be used to support programs for the study of biodiversity.

Seriously, I think it's good form to name a species after the collector or the person who helped with the work. And there is no problem with the etymology: "The authors would like his sincere thanks to ... for help in field work in ...". And how they helped me: they drove me by car, fed me in a restaurant, or financed me in cash is my business.

Although I'm not an entomologist, I'm familiar with the codes.

Actually:
"Speciesworld gives you the opportunity to participate in the 'baptism' of species. You can choose any name." That is, not just your last name.
What's so criminal about it?
Objectively, taxonomy is paid very poorly, about three times worse than medicine (by the way, mainly due to the lack of rich sponsors).
And this is just one of the forms of finding sponsors.

2 Elizar: Let's not play with abstractions. If such an epithet is offered, and the author of the form is against it, I think he will find a way to refuse. And someone, on the contrary, will be happy to call it that-sorry, it's his right, whether others like it or not.

This post was edited by grumbler - 01/25/2008 21: 51

1) Morality is the cost of primitive society. Where morality and principles begin, common sense and human growth end. The criminal code doesn't help people with low awareness either.. What to say about scientists, in my opinion they become not because of imbicilism, but because of reason.. A normal healthy person is able to decide for himself, standing on the threshold of ghostly "good" and "evil", which are very abstract and very relative concepts. Is murder a sin? There is no such thing as sin! And senseless murders, if we take this example , are psychological disorders, because of money, profit, VALOR, HONOR - strong psychological disorders..

2) The existence of species names in honor of some simpletons, do not humiliate the names of scientists whose names are used in species names! If you look at it from a moral point of view, then you can say that scientists are insulted by calling some beetles by their names.. But I will tell you that this is utter NONSENSE! There is no insult, no humiliation - all this is the cost of just the same morality and its company..

3) Almost everyone loves money, and it is not bad or immoral.. Yes, and there is already a lot said why. Who on Earth should live badly? No one, and those who should live badly should not live at all, because if they lived well, then only demi - humans would behave badly-some unfinished creatures that probably appear only because someone lives badly..

5) That is the difference between science and art.. that science is trying to describe everything as accurately as possible, so the special style of speech is used in scientific works to avoid any unnecessary nonsense.. Nevertheless, some elements remain at the mercy of creativity, but this is only because the world has no names or words..

6) And in general, what is the FASHION to attack everything that has to do with money? Is it a phobia or a complex??? This is something to think about....

In short, let's chip in and come up with a name for some bug, for example, "molbioli"
In honor of the forum.

I agree with Ripper.
And these comrades should learn how to make a lot of money.

Seriously, I think it's good form to name a species after the collector or the person who helped with the work. And there is no problem with the etymology: "The authors would like his sincere thanks to ... for help in field work in ...". And how they helped me: they drove me by car, fed me in a restaurant, or financed me in cash is my business.

Don't confuse it: help is a voluntary matter. Are you saying that there is no problem to hide the fact of selling the title from your colleagues in the publication? Well, if this is all right and morality and traditions have nothing to do with it, then why be shy and why hide it? Mr. So-and-so paid me such and such a sum for this name in honor of his grandmother's favorite dog.

1) Morality is the cost of primitive society. Where morality and principles begin, common sense and human growth end.

As the" representative of primitive society and imbecile " Immanuel Kant said, two things fill the soul with ever-new and stronger wonder and awe ... it
is the starry sky above me and the moral law within me. But what fills your soul in your growth?

6) And in general, what is the FASHION to attack everything that has to do with money? Is it a phobia or a complex??? This is something to think about....

No one attacks money, your love for it and desire to get it. This is your own business. If you have such a strong negative reaction to the concepts of "principle" and "pride" and "morality", then let's put it another way: assigning names to taxa in honor of the devil knows who for money is bad form, a sign of unprofessionalism. The same sign of unprofessionalism as receiving bribes from doctors, police, etc. In our country, this has long been the norm of things and does not surprise anyone. But I would like to know how this contributes to "human growth"? If you say that professional ethics is also "pathetic nonsense", then I advise you to read its rules in the appendices to the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature. There is nothing about selling titles yet: apparently, it did not occur to anyone that human greed would come to this.

The same sign of unprofessionalism as receiving bribes from doctors, police, etc. In our country, this has long been the norm of things and does not surprise anyone.

But no, do not confuse warm with soft In this example, acts fall under the article of the Criminal Code. And you will be surprised - they still put you in jail for this.

This is also sometimes called " living inside your head."
There are examples of real scientists who quite harmoniously combined everyday life and science.

Jewelry, perhaps, is really superfluous.
But you can argue about the rest (not at the expense of the fact that a car-an apartment-a dacha is the meaning of life) - when the stomach is empty, it very persistently reminds you of itself. But "make a cult out of food", but do not.

Let's decide - are the names primarily given in accordance with the ICZN or based on tradition, elegance and originality?

Taste can be developed...
Well, we, the rednecks who drink only vodka and cognac, have not seen Chateau Latour, and there is nothing to compare it with

I totally support the previous speaker!

Somewhere I read (this is about Chateau Latour) that an old-school Soviet writer,in my opinion, drove moonshine in his village and bottled it from under all sorts of Chivas, etc. The writer liked to gather people who considered themselves to be "Bohemian" ("g" - softened). The writer poured this" bohemia " of his moonshine from branded bottles.
"Connoisseurs" of beauty, having tasted bodyazhki, with smacking lips said: "Yes, in THIS COUNTRY they do not do this"

And you say Chateau!

Although it is not written to me, I will still answer

Your tone is impertinent and rude, and I don't want to continue the conversation in it.

Don't confuse it: help is a voluntary matter. Are you saying that there is no problem to hide the fact of selling the title from your colleagues in the publication? Well, if this is all right and morality and traditions have nothing to do with it, then why be shy and why hide it? Mr. So-and-so paid me such and such a sum for this name in honor of his grandmother's favorite dog.

I'm sorry, but this super-valuable, in my opinion, idea about announcing the amount is exclusively for the tax service.

I totally support the previous speaker!

Somewhere I read (this is about Chateau Latour) that an old-school Soviet writer,in my opinion, drove moonshine in his village and bottled it from under all sorts of Chivas, etc. The writer liked to gather people who considered themselves to be "Bohemian" ("g" - softened). The writer poured this" bohemia " of his moonshine from branded bottles.
"Connoisseurs" of beauty, having tasted bodyazhki, with smacking lips said: "Yes, in THIS COUNTRY they do not do this"

And you say Chateau!

Which speaker exactly do you support?

I'm sorry, but this super-valuable, in my opinion, idea about announcing the amount is exclusively for the tax service.

No, this is an important part of the etymology of the name

Yes, no problem.
Let's call it this then: Species molbiolietmister***'scourtesy

Which speaker exactly do you support?
No, this is an important part of the etymology of the name

I support a speaker named Bad Den

But no, do not confuse warm with soft In this example, acts fall under the article of the Criminal Code. And you will be surprised - they still put you in jail for this.

It does, but this does not prevent the act from contradicting professional ethics, even if it did not. Accepting "gifts" is also unethical. For example, in ZINA, many people do not charge money for identifying material to third-party specialists. I myself witnessed several colorful scenes.

It does, but this does not prevent the act from contradicting professional ethics, even if it did not. Accepting "gifts" is also unethical. For example, in ZINA, many people do not charge money for identifying material to third-party specialists. I myself witnessed several colorful scenes.

And when a citizen gives a bribe, does it contradict professional ethics?

It does, but this does not prevent the act from contradicting professional ethics, even if it did not. Accepting "gifts" is also unethical. For example, in ZINA, many people do not charge money for identifying material to third-party specialists. I myself witnessed several colorful scenes.

You will forgive me, Tentator, but I thanked you out of emotion.
Now, the question is: Who doesn't like gifts?

And in general, the code of professional ethics in the studio!

Bad taste and unprofessionalism are deeply different concepts that should not be confused. "Bad form" is a lot more subjective and far-fetched.

Second. Receiving a bribe is by no means an indicator of unprofessionalism. If you were professionally treated at the highest level for a bribe, what is this supposed to mean? This does not mean that bribes are good, and that they should not be condemned. But the very fact of receiving or not receiving bribes cannot serve as a criterion for the professionalism of, for example, a doctor.

Kant is not an authority. Although a smart guy who has done a lot in his field. And in general, philosophy is not a science

I don't agree. Professionalism is a high degree of mastering the knowledge and skills of any profession. However, as you know, knowledge can be explicit and implicit (Lokatos, it seems, or Polani). Implicit knowledge and includes principles of professional ethics, along with many other things.

You will forgive me, Tentator, but I thanked you out of emotion.
Now, the question is: Who doesn't like gifts?

And in general, the code of professional ethics in the studio!

Gifts to gifts are different. In the first year, our mathematician warned before the exam that he did not accept gifts in the form of greyhound puppies and grandfather clocks. And rightly so.

I told you, open the ICZN applications.

You will forgive me, Tentator, but I thanked you out of emotion.
Now, the question is: Who doesn't like gifts?

And in general, the code of professional ethics in the studio!

Super!

Your tone is impertinent and rude, and I don't want to continue the conversation in it.

You'll have to excuse me for being rude and unethical. But I can't seem to respond to your statements with a serious look

Gifts to gifts are different. In the first year, our mathematician warned before the exam that he did not accept gifts in the form of greyhound puppies and grandfather clocks. And rightly so.

I told you, open the ICZN applications.

By the way, this is also a case from the life of Zinoviev. I witnessed a scene of indignation when a visiting young lady decided to give a gift to one professor as a sign of gratitude for his help. The gift was large, rectangular, and wrapped in colored wrapping paper. The professor said something very sharp to the young lady, got dressed, and left. The young lady burst into tears, left the gift on the table and left for her republic. As a result, the professor accepted the gift and later apologized by e-mail. The gift was a book. So, I remembered.

I'm a doctor, by the way. And I know very well what professional ethics are.
I studied for six years at the Medical Academy, two years as a resident, and then spent three years on graduate school. It should be noted that it is not so easy for a medical student to find a part-time job due to heavy employment. And I don't want to suck my paw.
Now, working in my specialty, I believe that I will not just throw away my knowledge.
Of course, it all depends on the case. But the work must be paid. Especially an intellectual one.

Gifts to gifts are different. In the first year, our mathematician warned before the exam that he did not accept gifts in the form of greyhound puppies and grandfather clocks. And rightly so.

I told you, open the ICZN applications.

I don't drink flowers or candy, either.

Super!
You'll have to excuse me for being rude and unethical. But I can't seem to respond to your statements with a serious look

No, I'm not sorry. Totally serious.

I'm a doctor, by the way. And I know very well what professional ethics are.
I studied for six years at the Medical Academy, two years as a resident, and then spent three years on graduate school. It should be noted that it is not so easy for a medical student to find a part-time job due to heavy employment. And I don't want to suck my paw.
Now, working in my specialty, I believe that I will not just throw away my knowledge.
Of course, it all depends on the case. But the work must be paid. Especially an intellectual one.

I don't see any connection between the theses "work should be paid" and "taking bribes is not professional".

About gifts and bribes-not every gift is a bribe. If you have been thanked for the work you have already done, especially one that is not part of your duties, then a gift is quite appropriate. Although not required. But the criteria of appropriateness and inappropriateness in this case, each sets for himself.

When a reward is demanded for work that you are required to do without any "gifts", this is probably a bribe.

P.S. ZINA treats gifts quite adequately. Well, maybe with rare exceptions encountered by Tentator. For example, if a visiting guest/specialist/graduate student / amateur works with a collection, you give him time, effort, etc., and before leaving, he invites you to a table with a cake and a bottle of wine (not to bribe, but to thank), is this also immoral? The rejection scene will probably look very strange. A box of chocolates, a bottle of cognac, a cake, a book - in my opinion, there is no fundamental difference here. But expensive gifts, the cost of which clearly exceeds the work - here it would be better to politely refuse

This post was edited by Salix - 26.01.2008 01: 45

About gifts and bribes-not every gift is a bribe. If you have been thanked for the work you have already done, especially one that is not part of your duties, then a gift is quite appropriate. Although not required.

When a reward is demanded for work that you are required to do without any "gifts", this is probably a bribe.

P.S. ZINA treats gifts quite adequately. Well, maybe with rare exceptions encountered by Tentator. For example, if a visiting guest/specialist/graduate student / amateur works with a collection, you give him time, effort, etc., and before leaving, he invites you to a table with a cake and a bottle of wine (not to bribe, but to thank), is this also immoral? The rejection scene will probably look very strange.

I agree. That's exactly what I meant.

About gifts and bribes-not every gift is a bribe. If you have been thanked for the work you have already done, especially one that is not part of your duties, then a gift is quite appropriate. Although not required.

When a reward is demanded for work that you are required to do without any "gifts", this is probably a bribe.

P.S. ZINA treats gifts quite adequately. Well, maybe with rare exceptions encountered by Tentator. For example, if a visiting guest/specialist/graduate student / amateur works with a collection, you give him time, effort, etc., and before leaving, he invites you to a table with a cake and a bottle of wine (not to bribe, but to thank), is this also immoral? The rejection scene will probably look very strange.

You really like to exaggerate. Invite the cabinet for tea and put a wad of money or an expensive item - this is not the same thing.

A real case.
A medical student works part-time at the pharmacy on duty at night. In the night, bandits break in and bring their friend with an attack of bronchial asthma, or rather, in an asthmatic status. In short, the case is urgent. The student immediately takes out eufillin and gives it intravenously. The asthmatic gets better and the brothers leave without paying for the drug and syringes.
Is this normal?
I'll continue. In the morning, the student receives a scolding from the head. a pharmacy, because he made an intravenous injection on his own, and did not call an ambulance. A man saved a man's life, and he was also bullied for it.

You should also be able to be grateful.

Write to us! What's the point of empty reasoning?!

I won't write it - I don't really like Khodorkovsky

This post was edited by Bad Den - 26.01.2008 01: 48

You really like to exaggerate. Inviting the office to tea and handing over a wad of money or an expensive item isn't the same thing.

Excuse me, maybe you dream of a wad of money for tea?

Tentator:
You never know what some Kant said there.. His words are not law.. And he didn't always say the smartest things.
And in general, I am a follower of Nietzsche, that's if anyone cut the truth, so it's him..
Although I will be honest, I did not read the whole of Kant, only in parts, but I did not like that already, which is why I did not have any desire to read it.

And to utter supposedly beautiful words, like nothing fills the most callous corners of my soul with love and hope like a nursing mother and the hand of my beloved in my hand, I refer to the poetic d*rm, sorry for the expression
Poetry and beautiful words, that's right.. for fun, or to inspire those who lack this kind of inspiration..
If we talk about what inspires me... the desire for a free mind, the closeness to power that ordinary people refuse.. No, not the kind of power that is concentrated in muscle or power.. It's about the power that is in us, the power that can destroy all the stupid prejudices in us, including principles, morals, and other weaknesses..

There is no such thing as bad taste, and apparently Kant did not write about it.. By the way, resentment is also a weakness.. Therefore, to say that you are not going to communicate with Salix just because of resentment at a non-existent thing.. well, you know, somehow it does not correspond to professional ethics

Andrey, watch your speech

This post was edited by Bolivar - 26.01.2008 23: 55