Russian man jailed in Madagascar for trying to export rare butterfly

The Russian Embassy in Madagascar is making attempts to release Russian citizens convicted of poaching and held in a local prison, said Yuri Vinnik, head of the embassy's consular department.
"We are taking all necessary actions to appeal the verdict of the court," he said.
According to the diplomat, on January 10, a married couple – Vladimir and Kristina Efremenko - were detained in one of the national parks on charges of poaching.
"Their detention was due to the presence of several plastic containers with various representatives of local fauna, as well as special equipment for catching them," Vinnik said.
According to the diplomat, a Malagasy court on January 25 sentenced the Russians to " a fine of about $300 and three months in prison in the city of Maruancetra, where they are now being held."

ppc what!! Chet me from this all somehow dumb O_o.... yes, nedo in the reserves there to catch.

this is not the first such case.

A week ago, a group of entomologists I knew were almost arrested by rangers for catching insects (they drove up and blocked the road). Miraculously managed to convince them that people only take pictures of insects (it's good that there were pictures on the cameras!). And the tip was given by someone from their local community. It was in Africa.

Russian man jailed in Madagascar for trying to export rare butterfly

A resident of Krasnoyarsk Vladimir Efremenko, a collector of rare fauna, was jailed in Madagascar for trying to take out a butterfly of a rare species.

Let's get down to business, let's get down to business. Madagascar eagles work quickly, well done, but it's not clear why he is accused of trying to export? He wasn't detained at the airport. Illegal fishing - yes, they can be charged. And it is difficult to prove an attempt to export, if there has not been such an attempt to export yet.

This post was edited by Salix - 30.01.2008 20: 38

Um... did he have a permit to fish in national parks?
What amazes me is that a citizen violates local legislation, and then, when they put him in a zugunder for violating it, he sincerely declares that "we ourselves are not local, we do not know exactly what is happening and how." But I am happy with the position of our embassy. Sincerely. For this respect to them.

In short, to drive and catch, you need to have a good friend in the Foreign Ministry.

this is not the first such case.

Let us recall the famous case of Viktor Vasilyevich Sinyaev, a Moscow entomologist and collector, who was arrested in India in 2001

In short, to drive and catch, you need to have a good friend in the Foreign Ministry.

Bloody gebnya also rules

By the way, according to the law of Madagascar, for an attempt to export dead material of zoological and botanical origin, they give from 6 months to 2 years, confiscation and a fine of 200,000 to 100,000,000 ariari (yes, one hundred million!) 1 $ = 1700 ariari
If alive then From 2 to 10, of course confiscation and penalty – FROM two hundred and fifty million ariari!
"Vladimir has been in a prison cell for the second week. Seven other prisoners are being held with him. There is no air conditioning in the cell, given the local climate, there is a high probability of contracting malaria, dysentery or fever. We managed to arrange for him to be fed, " his friend explained.
He also noted that as for medical care, it is unlikely that it will be provided to him in a timely manner.

"We made every effort, found a lawyer and collected 4 thousand pupaars with friends so that he could be released on bail. At the same time, it is necessary to collect 8 thousand pupaars in total," Malyshevsky said.

"We talked with Vladimir once on the phone, he asked me to take care of his animals and buy food for them. They need 200-300 kilograms of feed a week - fresh vegetables and fruits, " said Efremenko's friend.

He also said that the situation with the detention of Efremenko was officially confirmed by the Russian Consul in the Republic of Madagascar.

Vladimir Efremenko is a well-known Siberian owner of a private zoo of rare animals and a unique seashell museum. The collector brought exotic animals from all over the world to Siberia.
http://www.rian.ru/incidents/20080130/98009671.html

By the way, according to the law of Madagascar, for an attempt to export dead material of zoological and botanical origin, they give from 6 months to 2 years, confiscation and a fine of 200,000 to 100,000,000 ariari (yes, one hundred million!) 1 $ = 1700 ariari
If alive then From 2 to 10, of course confiscation and penalty – FROM two hundred and fifty million ariari!

This is, of course, for export without permits, i.e. for smuggling?

This post was edited by Bad Den - 30.01.2008 23: 46

Well, there was no export. There was illegal fishing. I wonder what is required by local laws for "innocent" fishing, without an attempt to export?

Yeah, that's right. Here I found it from the link:

From the same place

From the same place

What a horror! Do they really not feed prisoners in Madagascar prisons without special arrangements?

This is not a friend explained, but a journalist wrote from the words of a friend

It was necessary to study in advance the laws of the country where you are going to catch. And it was not necessary to be particularly impudent, collecting in the national park you need to do it quietly and imperceptibly.

and it is even better to live in one place, and store all the material in durgom.. for example, to put the accumulated material in some storage room If there is anything like this in Madagascar at all

I don't understand why there was a need to catch insects in a national park. It must be full of forests! And no one would have noticed anything.

I don't understand why there was a need to catch insects in a national park. It must be full of forests! And no one would have noticed.

I accidentally clicked a flower In my opinion, now in Madagascar with forests is not very: the existing areas are just included in the national parks.

I don't understand why there was a need to catch insects in a national park. It must be full of forests! And no one would have noticed.

As far as I know, the forests in Madagascar are already very bad...

I read the comments above and I have a nasty feeling. Everyone is trying to shut themselves out - I don't care, I don't care! It's your own fault: you don't need to get impudent, you don't need to collect money in the national park, you need to study the laws, etc.
I DON'T KNOW the details, and I don't know the person. Judging by the och. brief report on TV, it really looks more like a zookommertion. But I KNOW that in principle, any collecting person, whether professional or amateur, can be in his place.
A question for experts in the law - what happens if you are caught here in the Russian Federation, with Red Book species in the stain?

After catching Eupithecia sp., go to the police and start proving that the Eupithecia denotata found in the stain is actually not Eupithecia nanata, but Eupithecia plumbeolata

This post was edited by AntSkr - 02/01/2008 16: 51

After catching Eupithecia sp., go to the police and start proving that the Eupithecia denotata found in the stain is actually not Eupithecia nanata, but Eupithecia plumbeolata

And with frenzy, until hoarseness, tearing his shirt, swear that plumbeolata

Everyone is trying to shut themselves out - I don't care, I don't care! It's your own fault: you don't need to get impudent, you don't need to collect money in the national park, you need to study the laws, etc.

Yes, you need to study the laws, no matter how strange it sounds (at least in order to know what is threatened for violating them) - because ignorance does not exempt you from responsibility.

  
A question for experts in the law - what happens if you are caught here in the Russian Federation, with Red Book species in the stain?

Actually, there are practically no articles in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation under which you and I, dear colleagues, could be brought to justice (we are talking exclusively about the extraction of insects, and not other animals - there are quite specific criminal law norms here, but now they are not about them). Well, except that with a big stretch, and only a number of particularly zealous and not thinking about the future "amateur entomologists" can face responsibility under Article 259 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation: "Destruction of critical habitats for organisms listed in the Red Book of the Russian Federation, resulting in the death of populations of these organisms" - for this you can face imprisonment for up to 3 years.x years old. To be honest, I really can't imagine a serious entomologist or even an amateur collector (a real one!) who will cut down the branch on which he sits and destroy the habitat of, say, Apollo in the Vladimir region (+moral aspect, and conscience is inherent, as I think, to the vast majority of our colleagues).
But in the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation there are articles designed for "our brother". First of all, this is Article 8.34 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation: "Violation of the established procedure for creating, replenishing, storing, using, accounting, selling, acquiring, transporting or transferring biological collections" - entails the imposition of a fine on citizens from 300 to 500 rubles with or without confiscation of collection objects (for officials and legal entities, the fine is higher).
There is also Article 8.35 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation: "Destruction of rare and endangered species of animals or plants listed in the Red Book of the Russian Federation or protected by international treaties, as well as actions (inaction) that may lead to the death, reduction in the number or violation of the habitat of these animals or to the death of such plants,, collection, maintenance, purchase, sale, or forwarding specified animals or plants, their products, parts or derivatives without a proper permit or in violation of the conditions provided for by the permit, or in violation of any other established procedure" - entails the imposition of a fine on citizens in the amount of 1,500 to 2,500 rubles with the confiscation of tools for extracting animals or plants, as well as the animals or plants themselves, their products, parts, or derivatives, or without them (the responsibility of officials and legal entities is again more severe).
Well, it is worth mentioning Article 8.39 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation: "Violation of the established regime or other rules for the protection and use of the environment and natural resources in the territories of state nature reserves, national parks, nature parks, state nature reserves, as well as in the territories where natural monuments are located, in other specially protected natural territories, or in their protected areas (districts)" - entails the imposition of a fine on citizens in the amount of 1,000 to 2,000 rubles, with or without confiscation of tools for committing an administrative offense and products of illegal use of natural resources (officials and legal entities are again more severely sanctioned).

This post was edited by Dmitrich-02.02.2008 00: 22

Dmitrich, I heard that the fines were going to be revised up?

Dmitrich, I heard that the fines were going to be revised up?

There is such a project. But today they are like this. All the articles of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation that I have listed are given in the latest version of Federal Law No. 116-FZ of 22.06.2007. For comparison with fines imposed on citizens, I will give sanctions for officials and legal entities:
Article 8.34: official - from 500 to 1000 rubles., legal-from 5000 to 10000 rubles.;
Article 8.35: official-from 15,000 to 20,000 rubles., legal - from 300,000 to 500,000 rubles.;
Article 8.39: official-from 300,000 to 500,000 rubles. from 2000 to 4000 rubles., legal - from 30,000 to 60,000 rubles.

This post was edited by Dmitrich-02.02.2008 00: 50

 
A question for experts in the law - what happens if you are caught here in the Russian Federation, with Red Book species in the stain?

If you don't fall under the nature protection campaign, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! In the Far East, cities freeze in winter. I don't think anyone would get involved because of if I caught Calllipogon relictus, Rosaila coelestis ect.

Freedom to Vladimir Efremenko!!! People like him are worthy of respect. You're holding a rally near the Embassy of Madagascar!!! Who's with me!?!? Vladimir, true entomology fans are here for you!!!!!

Go easy on the font size

This post was edited by Bolivar - 02/03/2008 14: 25

And let's abolish the laws altogether and destroy the prisons. And at the same time, we will eliminate national parks and nature reserves - so that it is not necessary to protect and prohibit them.

"A thief should be in jail" (C)

It's not a tragedy for a man to kill insects after a long time, because he didn't shoot tigers and buffaloes. In general, let's not forget about the ecology of vertebrates and invertebrates.......
Vladimir, we are with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems to me that the discussion is entering a long and thorny path of who and where HAS the RIGHT to catch insects.
It turns out that only an entomologist who is engaged in this professionally, who is on the staff of a research institute and receives a salary for it, has the absolute right to catch (collect). He makes out a business trip to the reserve and presents it to the directorate.
An amateur can't present anything a priori (only money, but that's another story). Therefore, according to our law, an amateur is a criminal! This is a monstrous absurdity! BUT every amateur trapper probably feels deep down that if they cling (huntsmen or police) then there is nothing to cover.
Only the gouging of our authorities (coming from the beggarly salaries of employees of nature reserves) allows you to catch anything and anywhere.
The amateur is caught between Scylla and Charybdis - for fishing you need paper, no one will give him paper. The situation is saved by the fact that in Russia there are huge tracts of state land that do not belong to nature reserves and national parks, but simple forest areas where the main crimes are logging and poaching.
What's in the West?
In Western Europe, everything is both simpler and more complicated. Solo lovers just catch on their own or friendly lands, they have enough of this. The main number of amateurs are united in Entomological Societies, often with a hundred-year history. And this is their best chance. Relying on the authority of societies associated with professional organizations, you can conduct any scientific activity that is often indistinguishable from the pros, such as fishing permits, congresses, journals, etc.
Therefore, when planning a train trip to civilized countries, you inevitably have to do this only through contacts with the local entomological society.
In third world countries, there are either no local fans or only a handful of them. Therefore, professional entomologists are forced to ask for fairly large grants for the field and for payment in local ministries of fishing tax (not sick, sometimes tens of thousands of pupaars) to keep local pseudoscientists in the field at their own expense, and so on. The topic is vast and inexhaustible...

It should be noted that with the blatant, centuries-old and traditional legal nihilism in Russia, the norms of the law providing for criminal or administrative liability for violations in the field of nature protection practically do not work. Yes, going for unauthorized fishing in the reserve, you can "run into" trouble. But collecting insects in publicly accessible (not specially protected) fields, meadows, forests, etc., is really almost safe for the collector. What about the butterfly-beetle catchers, with all this going on around them? If you are noticed, it is not as a delinquent, but as a strange oddball. In the public consciousness, insects are not animals at all, but annoying midges-cockroaches. I am sure that in our country, most people who are considered relatively educated do not even know that there are protected insect species. Well, unless you've heard something about the benefits of ants... And all the other six-legged ones are pests for ordinary people, " crush them!" And after all, they crush not motivated large beetles (for them - "cockroaches"), hawk moth caterpillars crawling on the asphalt in search of a place to pupate (for them - these are "fat, nasty worms")... And they encourage their children to do this - I myself have repeatedly witnessed it.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 02.02.2008 12: 43

It's not a tragedy for a man to kill insects after a long time, because he didn't shoot tigers and buffaloes. In general, let's not forget about the ecology of vertebrates and invertebrates.......
Vladimir, we are with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Embassy address: Kursovoy pereulok, Moscow, 119034, Russia, 5

Ad: Buy a piece of paper with seals, allowing you to catch anything and everything in any country, expensive.

If you don't fall under the nature protection campaign, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! In the Far East, cities freeze in winter. I don't think anyone would get involved because of if I caught Calllipogon relictus, Rosaila coelestis ect.

That's just the absurdity of our life – an official will be removed for a freezing city, and then appointed to a higher position, and in theory you can hang out for insects. Everything, of course, will depend on the specific case and people interested in it.

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- entails the imposition of a fine on citizens in the amount of 1,500 to 2,500 rubles, with or without confiscation of tools for extracting animals or plants, as well as the animals or plants themselves, their products, parts or derivatives (the responsibility of officials and legal entities is again more severe).
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- entails the imposition of a fine on citizens in the amount of 1,000 to 2,000 rubles, with or without confiscation of tools used to commit an administrative offense and products of illegal use of natural resources (officials and legal entities are again more severely sanctioned).

I think it is necessary to draw the attention of colleagues to the point on confiscation of fishing gear, because the car you will drive can be considered within the framework of this definition. In practice (a familiar fish inspector), this interpretation is used in cases of poaching.

I think it is necessary to draw the attention of colleagues to the point on confiscation of fishing gear, because the car you will drive can be considered within the framework of this definition. In practice (a familiar fish inspector), this interpretation is used in cases of poaching.

No, the confiscation of a car used by would-be fishermen (and even more so, insect catchers) is a lawlessness that has nothing to do with the law. This interpretation is too free and broad. Fishing gear of a poacher-fisherman, from the point of view of the law, is objects that are directly a means of fishing (nets, "screens", tops, electric fishing rods, etc.), or directly contribute to it (for example, boats, boats, etc.). Recognizing a car as a fishing tool, you can go to the point of absurdity - that way and an apartment, the dacha where the nets, motor, etc. are stored can be brought under confiscation. This has nothing to do with legality. By the way, our provincial courts, of course, confiscating nets, etc., to confiscate such property as boats, motors, etc. they are extremely cautious, and the law allows them to do so (note that all articles indicate - " ... with confiscation... or without it"). However, Moscow's fish inspectors and courts are a separate song, they have their own "legality", because Moscow is now almost not Russia, but a state within a state (for God's sake, Muscovites, do not be offended, this has nothing to do with ordinary people, most of whom are sympathetic, and I have a lot of Muscovites friends).
And for the collector of insects, fishing gear, from the point of view of the law, is, first of all, a net and everything that is attached to it (the list is easily continued by all forum participants). However, a motor vehicle can also be recognized as a means of fishing if it is used as shown here:
http://www.zin.ru/animalia/coleoptera/rus/autkesch.htm
Well, that's it...

This post was edited by Dmitrich-02.02.2008 22: 23