Russian man jailed in Madagascar for trying to export rare butterfly

By the way, there is one purely legal aspect . The Administrative Code of the Russian Federation contains Article 2.9, which states: "If the committed administrative offense is insignificant, the judge, body, official authorized to resolve the case of an administrative offense may release the person who committed the administrative offense from administrative responsibility and limit himself to an oral remark." As a person with a legal education, I undertake to assert that when caught, 3-5 in 99.9% of cases (excluding obvious bias), it will not be difficult to prove the insignificance of this act. At the same time, I am not aware of any precedents for bringing individuals to justice specifically for catching insects (in the public consciousness, a beetle is not a deer, not a tiger, or even a bird; the vast majority of relatively educated people who are not related to biology do not connect the concept of "animal" with an insect at all).
And criminal liability is provided exclusively for the destruction of critical habitats for organisms listed in the Red Book of the Russian Federation, resulting in the death of populations of these organisms (Article 259 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation). This is no longer about us, but about all the same powerful fellers of relict groves. To the point of toothache, it's a pity that this article practically does not work. How I would like to "nail" some clerical saint..whose " for this!

What can I say here? I fully share Dmitrich's position. You'll probably laugh, but I don't have the Crimean ground beetle in my collection, for example. And not because I have never met these beetles, but simply this is just the case when the destruction of a large, strong, and beautiful beetle listed in the Red Book is nothing more than a banal murder for the sake of collecting. Because the value of specimens of this species for science from the Crimea is close to zero. I would not say that they are, of course, threatened with extermination, but their number has certainly decreased. I saw a copper-red beetle once, and I didn't take it either. When I recently told Dimtrii Obydov about this, he said that it was just very interesting, because he personally had never seen this species with such a color in collections. And he had seen the collections of more than one museum. If, of course, I found an oak barbel in the Moscow region, I would take it. But if somewhere in the Crimea, for example, too, then also no. It's probably very funny to write such things on this forum, and I will only be judged here.

I won't laugh, omar. I myself have a single copy of the Crimean one in my collection (disabled, without one mustache and one paw, found by the deceased).

I share the fate of Dmitri. Also 1 copy. Crimean ground beetle and also killed. In some places without legs (here I mean the true meaning of the word, not the leg as a whole ) and without a number of members of the antennae.
It can create an organization and call those who are deprived of it the Crimean beetle. There are already three people

Here we saw you have a whole suitcase of insects. Then what? Why not say that all the insects you did not catch alive, picked up lying on the road. How many of their cars knock down? Who can verify that what you say is not true?

Unfortunately, true or not, I don't quite share the views of Dmitry and Omar. I've read a couple of previous posts and I'm just too lazy to read more. I'm more of a hard-core poacher if possible. I try not to miss the opportunity to collect a lot more series from something rare in the hope of further exchange, but in no case just for fun. You should have seen how many insects are simply collected just for accounting, and then thrown out. I collected 300 copies last year. ropalocer for statistical data, for evaluating the area. So they would have been thrown out. And I feel sorry for even the banals, then you can make a gift box to someone from the same banals bright and beautiful. and recently, I was completely taken aback by the news. I found out that it turns out we caught tomares nogeli several times, and where are the fees? they threw everything out. Referring to employment. My point from the previous one will definitely be condemned. Although probably all entomologists started out this way. For example, I remember very clearly when I did not yet know that Kuzka is a pest, only guessing about it indirectly judging by the presence of a large number of individuals on cereals. I collected only the dead ones. but I didn't touch the others, it was a pity. He treated other insects in the same way, collecting rhinos from rotten stumps only dead ones, and collecting butterflies from car radiators. But then I started collecting them en masse. First of all, you never know what might be interesting in your series. Here, for example, we have cortodera moldovana-endemic. There are no photos in the net, and there is nothing in the caller ID. I will take everyone, dorkadionov, too, all, etc. And the harm caused by the unwise use of natural potentials is much greater than the individual activity of an entomologist. Here, of course, it does not follow from this that, for example, let the carabus catchers enter the reserve and let them set traps by the hundreds. In general, the best thing about kovychki is when the demand is minimal, for example, we have one or two times and there are not enough entomologists. Accordingly, the damage caused by us.... How much time can we physically manage here with the Ripper? Although I already began to wonder if it was not his handiwork that the pediatrician in Rezeny could not be found and the vernalisses on the road to Sarata-Meresheny somehow became less

Here we saw you have a whole suitcase of insects. Then what? Why not say that all the insects you did not catch alive, picked up lying on the road. How many of their cars knock down? Who can verify that what you say is not true?

And so it was. I did not want them to gather in such a number themselves.

What can I say here? I fully share Dmitrich's position. You'll probably laugh, but I don't have the Crimean ground beetle in my collection, for example. And not because I have never met these beetles, but simply this is just the case when the destruction of a large, strong, and beautiful beetle listed in the Red Book is nothing more than a banal murder for the sake of collecting. Because the value of specimens of this species for science from the Crimea is close to zero. I would not say that they are, of course, threatened with extermination, but their number has certainly decreased. I saw a copper-red beetle once, and I didn't take it either. When I recently told Dimtrii Obydov about this, he said that it was just very interesting, because he personally had never seen this species with such a color in collections. And he had seen the collections of more than one museum. If, of course, I found an oak barbel in the Moscow region, I would take it. But if somewhere in the Crimea, for example, too, then also no. It's probably very funny to write such things on this forum, and I will only be judged here.

Oh, Roman, well, you surprised me: Crimean ground beetle dig in 10 glasses in the Crimea, for sure it will come across. And about the omission of the beetle, which Dmitry Vladimirovich himself did not hear, and the omission is special, ideological, they say emotions were stirred up, this is generally a shame and shame... The question arises: do we need to study entomology in general??? It may be better to collect coins and stamps...

Dima! Please be more correct in your statements, especially when using words like "shame" in relation to people, even bad ones like me. Also, read your messages carefully before judging people. Otherwise, you'll have to go out like Sergei.

Dima! Please be more correct in your statements, especially when using words like "shame" in relation to people, even bad ones like me. Also, read your messages carefully before judging people. Otherwise, you'll have to go out like Sergei.

Maybe enough, dear sirs!
In this dispute, not the truth is born, but the winner .

After all, there are so few entomolgs per capita...

Maybe enough, dear sirs!
In this dispute, not the truth is born, but the winner .

After all, there are so few entomolgs per capita...

I agree! And all of us, regardless of what kind of "cockroaches" (that is, beetles!) in the head, you need to look for mutual understanding and make friends.

The blue one! You read here and get the feeling that you are watching the movie Highlander. Like, " I'm MacLeod of the Macleod clan!" And "Only one should be left alive!"

Dima! Please be more correct in your statements, especially when using words like "shame" in relation to people, even bad ones like me. Also, read your messages carefully before judging people. Otherwise, you'll have to go out like Sergei.

Roma, I didn't mean to say anything bad about you. I also bite my fingers for the missed views (I missed Protetia auruginosa last year, I'm still ashamed of who I tell - they'll spit it out) And even more so, I do not undertake to judge anyone. I myself am a hundred times worse and illiterate than many, and not only on entomological issues

Well, Dima, well, I didn't miss the view! I missed a copy with an unusual color, and that's all.

I read your discussion with great interest. Let me insert my "5 kopecks", since at that time I did not read this wonderful forum.

I'll take it as the original one interview "Komsomolskaya Pravda" of the main character.

"We went to Madagascar with my entomologist friend. We bought a lot of different beetles and butterflies-both for my collection and by order of one company. Then my wife Christina flew to Madagascar, and the three of us went on vacation. Butterflies and beetles were left in the capital, Antananarivo, and went to the northern coast of the island. But the prices there are 2000 pupaars per person per night! We had to settle down as savages. For tents and accommodation in the national park, the guide was given $ 600 for three people."

1. The North Coast is Diego Suarez. Why was he sitting in Marouancetra?
2. $ 2000 / person / day is, to put it mildly, not true. The most expensive hotel costs 400 euros / night / full board. Even the capital's 5-star Carlton, the presidential suite, costs $ 800. $ 600 "for tents and accommodation in the national park" is also exorbitant money. Either it's not true, or the guide was making money unrealistically.

"Representatives of the company legally draw up all the documents that I then present at customs. They say so: "Madagascar has a lot of paper, but no money." It means: we will make any documents, just buy animals from us."

Corruption is evident. Question: Why were the same levers not used in the case of the arrest?

"I didn't have time to take a picture of my wife, as the head of the reserve appears and demands:" Three thousand euros from you!" He: "We're not interested." Gendarmes arrive with machine guns. They put us in boats and take us to the gendarmerie. Then a court hearing. I told him what had happened. The prosecutor stated: "I think you wanted to take out rare animals." And the wife, we ask, why was she detained? Answer: "Because you are Vladimir's wife." In general, he was sentenced to a fine of $ 300 and three months in prison."

Somehow all this is not convincing.
Malagasy cops won't make a move for free. All arrest papers are drawn up personally by the victim (otherwise it takes a VERY long time), and the victim gives the cops a couple of hundred pupaars to detain them (for gas and communications). That is, the fact that he sat down (Russian), it was very necessary for someone. Someone closed it on purpose. Perhaps a financial dispute?

"I took a knife and went to the cell.
"A knife?" How was it not taken away?
"You didn't notice. I put it in my jacket pocket, but for some reason they didn't search me. I took the gun because I knew that whites were not very welcome here. I thought I'd cut them all up if anything happened. Moreover, there were both murderers and rapists sitting there. But nothing happened. Although Madagascar prison is an unpleasant place. The whole area is small-72 by 72 steps. Concrete walls get hotter in a day. There are no bunks, everyone sleeps on the floor - body to body. If it is necessary to turn, then all together at the same time and turn. We were first held in a cell by 7 people, and then 11. We were fed once a day with sour boiled cassava root (a local plant). It is boiled in the evening, and given at 11 am the next day. But we gave money to the jailers, and they brought more or less normal food. But they treated me well - both the warden and my cellmates. Even the flies were kept away from me so I could sleep."


Malagasy prisons are thoroughly corrupt. All issues are solved "for a penny". I was taking a relative of my wife's (accident with 3 dead bodies) out of prison for a day off for 20,000 ariari ($9). He always came back full and drunk. The prosecutor was paid 300,000 ($140) for probation. Served only a month (while haggling).
One Ukrainian arrested for buying a Malagasy passport has served JUST a day and a half in jail. At the same time, he slept with his wife in the chief's office at night. It cost 10 bucks a night + 1000 bucks for freedom.
I repeat: someone really needed this Russian to sit.

"- Did this adventure take a lot of money from you?
- About 8 thousand pupaars. They went to work for a lawyer, for food, for unscheduled hotel stays... The amount was kept by the warden, and I must give him his due: the balance was returned to me in full."

An exorbitant amount for Madagascar. I do not believe. Maybe this amount includes a financial dispute, then it is clear-I returned the money through a lawyer and was released immediately.
Which I want to emphasize once again. White in Madagascar is WHITE. To close it, you need to have a VERY good reason or a rich sponsor.

By the way, here here you can see how the prison works in Madagascar. The tour was organized and conducted by me personally.

This post was edited by adderley - 05/01/2013 09: 55

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So, just in case (you never know, suddenly Someday all this telepathic swish will end, and the island will open again...):

In the fall of 2019, two Czech friends got in.

They were kicked out of Mantadia first. Not only is it no longer possible to catch the light at night (it has always been impossible), but it was suddenly monitored, and local guides, who previously did not care about anything, now flatly refuse to help, or even try to pass.

Then they were caught and screwed ($100 was given away) somewhere in Ranumafan, for the same thing.

Well, and the cherry: they yelled at customs on departure, and already called some kind of nasyalnik, with stars almost in full size.
The Czechs took out dried grass (as usual, a lot) and livestock (a little and without frenzy-lemurs, whores, chameleons, fossae, etc. were not, there was a certain amount of tops and all sorts of stick centipedes).
Bottom line: we lost three days for disassembly, gave about a kilobax for three to the left and $ 300 officially.
Exported, essno, selected, and all.

In general, the days when Madagascar was almost a fishing paradise seem to be coming to an end...

Russian man jailed in Madagascar for trying to export rare butterfly

I wonder what kind of butterfly is so rare that you can go to jail for it?
Probably Urania ripheus itself)