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30.09.2008 3:28, Salix

But during one of my expeditions, I came face to face with a yeti in the mountains. Huge cryptoentomological fleas were sitting on its fur. I grabbed a couple and put them in a net, but on the way back to camp they chewed through the cloth and ran away. The fact is absolutely reliable, honestly! smile.gif

This post was edited by Salix - 30.09.2008 03: 33
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26.10.2008 9:11, Papis

2 years ago, we went to the Astrakhan region and hung out a little bit around Dosang. I threw the bug material on the mattress, and on arrival I gave it to my friend zhuchatnik. We collected inattentively and not for a long time, we did not catch the light because we were passing through. But one bug hit him hard. It turned out that this is a black-bodied (it was found dead and dilapidated) Zoophobas from Australia, whose larvae are fed to all sorts of reptiles and amphibians. I don't know how she got to Dosang. Some Artifact.

15.01.2009 7:57, Yakovlev

A little out of line, but among the described species there are funny phantoms
, for example, the species Cossus aksuensis Daniel was described by a unique male. The butterfly is very habitually specific. I researched the type. So, my dear friends, it turned out that the butt, chest and wings are from one kind, and the head is from another kind with feathery whiskers. As a result, an interesting butterfly was made, which poor Franz Daniel described later.
there was naturally a question to whom to synonymize - after all, the head is more important than the ass...smile.gif

15.01.2009 9:46, omar

I think that the gentlemen merchants, whom you warmly support, can make up more than that. There are some dealers who collect legos from several types. What do they care? The main thing, as you know, is to recapture the money for the trip.

15.01.2009 10:02, Alexandr Rusinov

Such jokes are often made by students over their teachers. I myself personally and my friends glued red circles on the wings of hawthorn, turning it into an apollo (at least from afar). Apparently, the most successful jokes create far-reaching consequences...

15.01.2009 10:09, Yakovlev

Dear friends!
These were not the tricks of merchants, but the mistake of a very careful laboratory assistant. Its head was eaten off and fell off and the head of a species that also flies here was glued on.
Wow, Omar, you're not a fan of commerce. Milk yourself, grow potatoes, and carrots? Or do you wander into the store? Well, don't be offended, for God's sake, because my verb "frolic" caused such a storm of emotions.
Sorry about the "you" part. See, I'm insured like this. All well done-both merchants and pros and just collectors - all those who know, love and appreciate their business and themselves in it.

15.01.2009 10:39, omar

Ugh, Omar, what a dislike of commerce you are

Yes, it is.

Milk yourself, grow potatoes, and carrots?

Potatoes and carrots yes, I'll grow them myself. And there was a time when I milked the milk myself. When I worked as a veterinarian. But now I go to the store for it. I don't understand what this has to do with the topic under discussion.

Sorry about the "you" part. See, I'm insured like this.

Yakovlev, do you respect me?

15.01.2009 10:50, Yakovlev

Yes, Omar, well, clear pepper, I respect.
Of course!
I initially respect all people. People who are principled and defend their position, all the more so.
And I do not take discussion as a quarrel, but as a way of mutual communication. Thanks!

15.01.2009 11:23, lepidopterolog

after all, the head is more important than the ass...smile.gif

Don't agree -- in the ass, sorry, GENITALS wink.gif
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15.01.2009 11:33, Yakovlev

Of course to the ass and synonymized. There's pisenka, and the wings are somewhere nearby...
And the head is a pity - so it remained out of business
And In ZINA there is a copy of Cossidae prepared for the description of the late I. Kozhenchikov as a new genus Eremodus desertus. There to Deserticossus churkini Yakovlev, 2006 prisandalena head volnyanka with such antennae. But the description didn't come out.
I love such jokes. And here's about ZIN! It wasn't a merchant who did it, or a student, but a lab assistant named God's dandelion.
Damn tomorrow to fly to Tokyo. It's time to get ready. I'll take my leave for 10 days.

15.01.2009 12:10, omar

The difference is that the lab assistant did it by mistake, and the merchant does it on purpose and constantly, this is his business. on the table is a box with spare parts from various insects. He glues them to broken copies. Choosing at random the most suitable ones, in his opinion. I don't mention my last name here, but anyone who could have guessed it already.

15.01.2009 17:08, Yakovlev

This, Omar, is not a merchant - this is a fool who ruins his business. Open a butcher shop and sell cat meat there. I cheated once, twice...
my God, so many examples - one sold paratypes of a butterfly. It was described on 5 males, and he drove the series to someone in one hand - a dozen and a half. These are not merchants - they all failed.
What else can I remember about cryptoentomology?
Nothing is remembered

15.01.2009 17:16, omar

Nevertheless, this fool has a large and beautiful website concerning the "product", and in general, it does not seem to be poor. And "fools" are those who risk dealing with it. Not everyone knows what kind of person he is. And some people will not even suspect that the paws of the karabus do not really belong to him.

This post was edited by omar - 15.01.2009 17: 17

15.01.2009 17:24, Yakovlev

It's sad, you can't say anything about it. Sadly.

15.01.2009 17:54, omar

You're right, there's nothing you can do about it. Nevertheless, this merchant has greatly benefited entomology, and many species and subspecies are named after him. At the dawn of his entrepreneurship, many of the current taxonomists - heavyweights with the name-communicated with him. Therefore, Yakovlev, be careful in your judgments. I am willing to believe you that you will not do such things, and also change the locale of the instance for profit. But not everyone is so principled. And this causes my dislike and distrust of insect sellers.
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15.01.2009 18:07, Yakovlev

I'm careful what I say, Teska Omar (You're Roman, aren't you?)
My specialty was

15.01.2009 18:11, barko

"change the instance locale for profit" And this causes my dislike and distrust of insect sellers.

Isn't decency unique to merchants? It's very individual.

15.01.2009 18:25, Yakovlev

One well-known entomologist-Honored Scientist of the USSR-you've seen his books, Omar-once saw a new family of insects in the hands of his student. And the disciple now is also a very big man. I took it and described it myself.
Another - less titled, but no less famous-found out that I was going to describe one butterfly - said-This, Roma, x .. nya, and then took and described it himself.
The third-titled average-took a few of my butterflies in 1999 - under the condition if we describe new ones together. Then I wrote to my colleague (not knowing that we are friends) - yes, the species are new, but I will describe them myself because Yakovlev is still young, he will have enough for his age.
The fourth one didn't even mention a bunch of apprentices in his writings.
How many poor graduate students hunched over their non-commercialized teachers who took their work, how many candidates wrote monographs and became the fourth co-author after the academician, corresponding member, and professor.
How many scientists have hidden their types, their results from their colleagues.
I can cite hundreds of these examples, and I can guarantee that there are as many vile people in academic circles as there are in Bursa. Psychopathology is democratic. An insect seller who has deliberately mixed up labels is no worse than a professional entomologist who negligently identifies types, keeps collections in the dust, and behaves dishonestly with young colleagues.
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16.01.2009 23:09, Salix

Psychopathology is democratic. An insect seller who has deliberately mixed up labels is no worse than a professional entomologist who negligently identifies types, keeps collections in the dust, and behaves dishonestly with young colleagues.

In general, perhaps so. Although premeditated and unintentional crimes have different weight, but for those who are then forced to suffer with the consequences, as a rule, it does not matter. And those and others - to Kolyma, collect insects! wink.gif

Something about the topic of merchants is popular - no matter what topic you look at, they are discussed everywhere smile.gif

17.01.2009 1:09, Насекомовед

It was in Mordovia, at a botanical practice (1991). I found, though already dead, but in an absolutely "wild" place, a large, about 3 cm in length, black staphylin. Then Alexey Klimenko came to visit us (I don't think there's much need to introduce him; he was engaged in this family at one time). So he recognized him as a representative of the Central Asian family, which in no way could be in Mordovia. Saying that I was deceiving him, he took the beetle for himself. This discovery remained unexplained.

I once visited the Natural History Museum in Budapest. I watched the types of locusts described by Steinmann (the Spiteful Brandashmyg has especially tender feelings for him). It was here that I saw a couple of holotypes of cryptozoological material smile.gif - glued insects - mixed legs and elytra from representatives of different superfamilies... At the same time, both types were standing almost side by side.
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20.01.2009 15:00, guest: Yakovlev

Salix, na Kolymu ne nado nikogo
Vsem svobodu

20.01.2009 16:10, omar

Well okay. I'll tell you more. Angry, me, angry today. Not all specialists have the opportunity to go to fairs and beg for insects from merchants. Some don't have time, some don't have enough money, and some just don't want to beg and promise to name a new species with the name of commmersat. If only because begging is humiliating. And some people simply do not want to call the view with the merchant's last name on principle for ethical reasons, such as Tentator. And after all, it's no secret that the most correct hands are the hands of venerable specialists from the old guard, who, as a rule, are limited in funds, have little mobility (due to health problems, for example) and have principled views on naming insects. How many of the most correct hands are cut off in this way? That's right, a lot. I strongly doubt that the good uncle merchant would have gone to Kerzhner's, for example, to show him the mattresses, so that he would have chosen the right beetles, based only on the fact that Kerzhner was the best specialist in the group and his hands were the most correct. Or, let's say, a businessman would come with black chicks to Gleb Medvedev. If this is not the case, try to object.
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21.01.2009 1:42, guest: Yakovlev

Mnogie tak delajut
Naprimer, moi drug lovit mnogim entomologam nasekomyh prosto tak v podarok
Ne budem trogat Medvedeva, Kerzhnera
Ladno pora zavtrakat. Vid na Fuji luchshe sporov
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03.05.2009 9:55, Pirx

Here they said that there is no cryptoentomological evidence. Yes, here they are, please-a rare shot...

Pictures:
locust.jpg
locust.jpg — (78.6к)

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03.05.2009 10:32, omar

Oh, just don't shoot a filly of this size with an ordinary small - caliber Winchester-the locust survivability to minor damage in chitin is truly amazing. Even if you shoot him in the head. Killing an elephant is easier.
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03.05.2009 12:43, RippeR

I didn't even think that people are so small smile.gif

03.05.2009 16:28, Papaver

Yes, like the steam is not small - normal... Vaughn-compare it with a Winchester... Maybe there's something wrong with the bug?

03.05.2009 17:55, Vorona

I grazed lightly on experimental plots with genetically modified corn... lol.gif
Oops, I forgot to put a smiley face, otherwise you'll decide that I'm one of the environmentally concerned ones wink.gif

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03.05.2009 17:56, Pirx

Oh, just don't shoot a filly of this size with an ordinary small - caliber Winchester-the locust survivability to minor damage in chitin is truly amazing. Even if you shoot him in the head. Killing an elephant is easier.


Yes, it looks like the head is intact... Maybe it was just a concussion. In that case, this photo could have been taken a second before the horrific massacre!

03.05.2009 18:23, Papaver

Then I don't need a Winchester and a wonder baseball cap!

03.05.2009 19:44, okoem

Oh, just don't shoot a filly of this size with an ordinary small - caliber Winchester-the locust survivability to minor damage in chitin is truly amazing. Even if you shoot him in the head. Killing an elephant is easier.
Did he shoot with an ammonia syringe? wink.gif
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03.05.2009 19:52, Papaver

Or maybe he didn't shoot at all? For example, I found a dead one, but "Winchester" - this is so, they slipped Dakotas for ikebana...
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20.01.2010 0:30, palvasru4ko

Did he shoot with an ammonia syringe? wink.gif


Not... Not rational! The hams are painfully appetizing! smile.gif What if the ammonia spoils the taste? Although-maybe he shot with a syringe... More spices - and any spoiled food is resurrected!!!

20.01.2010 10:54, Alexandr Zhakov

To resume the topic.
I still have information about two facts:
the first one from the press or a book, that Soviet scientists caught the largest paruchnik butterfly 52 cm in Vietnam. After that, there was no information.
The second in Africa, in the Congo valley butterfly - "Black glider" under a meter, flying at dusk over the river, the former did not see.
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20.01.2010 11:04, swerig

confused.gif Not an insect, but still-a giant worm olgoi-khorkhoi in Mongolia.
Question to Roman Yakovlev: when will he describe it????

20.01.2010 11:13, vasiliy-feoktistov

Just kidding: Duc it already describedsmile.gif : http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olgoi-Horkhoy_ (animal) jump.gif

20.01.2010 11:46, swerig

Duc it already described

Where's the holotype?"?? confused.gif lol.gif
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20.01.2010 11:57, vasiliy-feoktistov

Where's the holotype?"?? confused.gif  lol.gif

Need to fill smile.gifin

20.01.2010 13:20, гундоров

Okay-also in the subject and the question directly to the person.Alexander Danchenko, how is my agrodiaetus damone series from Saratov?Where is my action series?

23.01.2010 23:24, swerig

does Danchenko also read this forum?

And where is Danchenko???

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