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09.11.2011 16:06, Penzyak

.. it is absolutely possible to state that the dybka will not pass through modern agrocenoses! It will simply starve to death or die faster (I don't know what agricultural crops are currently being processed - but everything that was nearby, from bees to hares, has died out... they say even dead boars were found in the fields). As we caught it in very local places in the very south-west of the region, so we catch it. And in the south-east, where there are absolutely unique remnants of the southern steppes, we do not find it at all!? You know why-there is an overgrazing of cattle - if it was simply trampled by cattle... She doesn't even go to the 10-year-old deposits that are near her localities (pathetic inconveniences). Believe me - I live for a long time, I've seen a lot...
And in Bashkiria.... I served there in the SA (1985-1987) - literally a well-known entomologist in the USSR worked nearby, so no one from the locals even suspected of his existence...
Remember the anecdote about the "Elusive Cowboy Joe"!?
- "Why isn't he elusive"? - a young cowboy in a saloon asks seasoned drunk cowboys!? You know what they said - " But because he is ... no one needs it!"... Sorry if something is rude, but accurate and concise...

10.11.2011 23:40, bryodema

Features of the biology of Saga pedo are well-known (I'm talking about agrocenoses, overgrazing, fertilizers in the fields, etc.). What exactly was this entomologist "known in the USSR"? About an anecdote on the subject of Cowboy Joe: I don't know how things are in Bashkiria, but in the TASSR in the 50s, M. M. Aleynikova worked under the direction of G. Ya.Beybienko, her material also comes from the areas bordering the republic. In the 70s and 80s, I. M. Oliger traveled all over the Middle Volga region and collected material. Not to mention the expeditions to these areas of various research institutes and universities (including pedobiologists, geobotanists, ecologists, etc.), so "cowboy Joe" had to be at least a blue whale to hide from so many researchers.

10.11.2011 23:49, bryodema

http://www.eje.cz/pdfarticles/1200/eje_104_1_073_Kristin.pdf - link to an excellent article about Saga pedo, the truth of Slovak scientists
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13.11.2011 2:01, bryodema

Not to mention the fact that in places where "steppe species" are found, there are nature reserves, national parks, where scientists of protected areas work permanently for a long period of time. Saga pedo in the Republic of Tatarstan was "found" (or, as you prefer, "noticed") in one of these expeditions by employees of the research institute in 2005. And after that, almost every year finds in the same places and not only. In my opinion, these data contradict the assumption that the species has always existed in these places (or at least for 30-50 years). The same situation exists today with Mantis religiosa in the Republic of Tatarstan. In 2006, ecologists brought us a mantis larva, and it was from this time that it was celebrated everywhere every year (in 2008 already in Kazan). It seems that the error in the timing of distribution in the "new" territories (including in Wed. Volga region) of the above-mentioned species is measured in 3-5 years, but it is unlikely that it will take several decades.

16.11.2011 18:12, Penzyak

... absolutely no desire to argue, wait and see who is right.
I just remembered last summer, the end of June, the south of the Penza region, Stepnaya Balka, the heat of + 42 C, not a cloud in the sky, no wind... I was mowing a dyba larva in a bush, I was happy, I put it in a container for our photographer and insect lover Gennady Petrov (in the macro club he goes by the nickname boren). Lo and behold, the rack is barely alive from the heat and land-I thought I wouldn't take it to death. Nothing - I watered and fattened the fillies, Gennady then fed her to an adult individual from which they received eggs... In early August, they were released to the steppe... Why in the spring neither Petrov nor I had any holes come out of the larvae? Sadly...
I don't even want to talk about the mantis - a banal advance to the south due to warming, + read "waves of life" by S. S. Chetverikov (N. Novgorod).

16.11.2011 18:15, Hierophis

Heh, about why the dybki did not come out - I have dybkin eggs for the third year already - vital, I looked regularly under the microscope - and no one hatches wink.gif

18.11.2011 8:00, Penzyak

... you may need to spend the winter in nature, followed by humidity and warmth.... confused.gif

19.11.2011 5:24, bryodema

not all bioinvasions are simply explained by" warming " of the climate alone. there are also microclimatic conditions ( salinity of the substrate, its structure, demand for humidity), the type of landscape, and the relationship with vegetation.

19.11.2011 5:26, bryodema

naturally, the dybka develops with diapause. it was necessary to create it artificially.

15.12.2011 20:17, PVOzerski

I strongly suspect that not the least factor in the expansion of insect ranges is the replacement of agrocenoses with thickets of shrubs and small-leaved forests. However, this is just a guess.

16.12.2011 13:35, Penzyak

..until recently, it is quite possible, now in Chuvashia they make some units for turning shrubs and young trees into wood chips, then it is all plowed up...

18.12.2011 15:17, Nikolai

I looked through this section and thought that it would be quite appropriate to try to solve my riddle here. I have always had an interest in nature, and as a child I enthusiastically collected butterflies. And then, at that happy time, I saw a "white bear" flying over a damp meadow along the river. It was in the afternoon in the second half of June in the Leningrad region, 50 km south of Leningrad. I caught a" butterfly", but it turned out that it was not a butterfly at all: the wings are milky white, but not scaly. The body is powerful, hard, shiny black, strong strong legs. Everything is proportional: no noticeable protruding parts. The body length is about 1.5 cm. I let the insect go. I've never seen anything like it before. Much later, I began to think:"And what could it be?" By the method of exclusion, I come to the conclusion that the complex of signs could be from Neuroptera, but nothing definitely corresponds. Maybe someone from a respected community will suggest a worthy candidate for the role of "polar bear".

18.12.2011 15:39, Hierophis

Interestingly, I have often heard about such incomprehensible insects that were seen at a young age. Yes, and I also had such cases, just now I remembered this - how I was with my mother in a sanatorium near the Chorny Sea, and there in the pool I noticed a huge black "thing", it was about 10 cm in size, about 2 cm wide, and crawled on the ground and floated in the water.
Now I think it was the larva of a water beetle, and the size may have been exaggerated smile.gif

Nikolai, in order to guess, you need to describe this animal more specifically, how many wings there were, what shape they were, what kind of antennae there were, whether the body was pubescent or not, in general, everything that you remember, and ideally-draw.

18.12.2011 17:23, Victor Titov

I looked through this section and thought that it would be quite appropriate to try to solve my riddle here. I have always had an interest in nature, and as a child I enthusiastically collected butterflies. And then, at that happy time, I saw a "white bear" flying over a damp meadow along the river. It was in the afternoon in the second half of June in the Leningrad region, 50 km south of Leningrad. I caught a" butterfly", but it turned out that it was not a butterfly at all: the wings are milky white, but not scaly. The body is powerful, hard, shiny black, strong strong legs. Everything is proportional: no noticeable protruding parts. The body length is about 1.5 cm. I let the insect go. I've never seen anything like it before. Much later, I began to think:"And what could it be?" By the method of exclusion, I come to the conclusion that the complex of signs could be from Neuroptera, but nothing definitely corresponds. Maybe someone from a respected community will suggest a worthy candidate for the role of "polar bear".

I believe your "polar bear" is a butterfly-shaped caddis fly-Semblis phalaenoides Linnaeus, 1758. It's actually a rare thing - I've only caught it once in my life in the Yaroslavl region.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5527447
http://macroid.ru/showphoto.php?photo=41297
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19.12.2011 22:31, Nikolai

I believe your "polar bear" is a butterfly-shaped caddis fly-Semblis phalaenoides Linnaeus, 1758. It's actually a rare thing - I've only caught it once in my life in the Yaroslavl region.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5527447
http://macroid.ru/showphoto.php?photo=41297

I agree: a very worthy candidate.
Initially, I stated in the description only what was difficult to distort. The fact is that 40 years have passed since then. Some of the signs I didn't give, although I still have vague memories. In particular, these are rounded black spots on the wings, which fit very well with this species. The only thing that doesn't really suit caddisfly is its strong limbs. I remember this moment well, because, planted in a matchbox, caddisfly very vigorously and noisily scratched the walls of the box. I even wondered if he was using his jaws. (However, jaws are more of a myth.)

20.12.2011 16:16, Victor Titov

I agree: a very worthy candidate.
The only thing that doesn't really suit caddisfly is its strong limbs. I remember this moment well, because, planted in a matchbox, caddisfly very vigorously and noisily scratched the walls of the box.

There is no contradiction. This caddis fly is one of the largest, and when placed in a box, it can very vigorously scratch its legs, which are not even weak - here, you can see: http://macroid.ru/showphoto.php?photo=30169

20.12.2011 16:35, Pavel Morozov

Remembering past reports about the "giant saturnid from Primorye", I thought that this must be the erebid Erebus macrops, which, it seems, appears in Kononenko.

Just right, huge spots, very large size, high mobility.

20.12.2011 17:15, Nikolai

There is no contradiction. This caddis fly is one of the largest, and when placed in a box, it can very vigorously scratch its legs, which are not even weak

I am quite satisfied with such a "contender" and also do not see any obvious discrepancy.

21.12.2011 9:36, Penzyak

.. and the caliber for hunting insects is quite suitable....

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30.12.2011 1:50, barko

The harsh postal service of the two countries was too harsh for a parcel with butterflies. Now it is necessary to determine "where is whose". In general, long live cryptoentomology.

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30.12.2011 6:10, Konung

The harsh postal service of the two countries was too harsh for a parcel with butterflies.

I think this is a harsh service of one country! Recently I also received a parcel with butterflies from Europe smile.gifeven worse )) I didn't even find the remains of my wings - all in the dust!
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30.12.2011 7:33, rhopalocera.com

You show me terrible things frown.gif. That's why I don't trust your email or courier services. God take care.

30.12.2011 8:59, Yakovlev

When transferring tattoos, you must comply with a number of simple requirements.
1. Each copy is chipped with pins.
2. the box with the tattoo is inserted into the box with the amortization material.
Sending a box with a glass lid is the height of absurdity. You can then send bags of butterflies in letters in envelopes.
Without justifying the Russian post, I note that the sender himself must make every effort to preserve the material.
It would also be nice to put cotton wool under the belly, because the foam was distributed cotton wool, and the butterfly was injected to the fleece.

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30.12.2011 9:00, Yakovlev

God takes care of the wounded.

And Berezhnogo?

30.12.2011 9:35, OEV

Yes, Slava was unlucky, if the box was with a blind lid, everything would be OK! I fully support Roman, before sending a parcel, you need to think about what and how to pack it.

30.12.2011 10:06, AGG

And Berezhnogo?

Jura in "Lipetsk" hibernation lol.gif

30.12.2011 12:44, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

In our department (ZIN RAS), the parcel with the material disappeared altogether. According to tracking, it left Italy, but did not arrive in Russia. Back in September-October, a search application was submitted, since then there have been no traces. There is a faint hope that the parcel is delivered somewhere at customs...

30.12.2011 13:53, VladN

I had it like this

30.12.2011 14:06, VladN

I've had this before

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30.12.2011 14:30, Konung

Yes, Slava was unlucky, if the box was with a blind lid, everything would be OK! I fully support Roman, before sending a parcel, you need to think about what and how to pack it.

I don't think a blind lid would help )) it was just poorly packed (or rather, it wasn't packed at all, but just a glazed box wrapped in paper). the naive Frenchman probably thought that Omsk was somewhere near Paris and the parcel would be handed over to me from hand to hand, because already 5 days after sending it, he asked if I had received the material )))

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30.12.2011 14:46, Alexandr Zhakov

I feel sorry for everyone. frown.gif
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30.12.2011 15:09, Yakovlev

in general, all this is terrible!!!!

30.12.2011 15:13, rhopalocera.com

mail not only destroys packages, but also eats them. When I was young, everyone I knew called it " eaten by a posttosaurus." especially outraged when parcels with books disappear - a couple of times they managed to "scratch out" from the delivery departments of post offices - of course, the parcels were opened. postal workers search for hundred-dollar bills in books from across the border between pages. they do not know that all progressive humanity has successfully switched to PayPal, Visa Classic and Western Union.

30.12.2011 16:21, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Horror story about mail from the modelers ' forum.

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewto...19_start_0.html

30.12.2011 16:29, Konung

Gentlemen, we've got something wrong with the topic! )
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30.12.2011 16:53, chebur

And how much does a parcel from neighboring countries (Ukraine) cost in a good scenario? And do you need any actions on the part of the recipient, or just be patient and wait? I've never used yandex. Mail before when sending content from abroad. I will be grateful for any information.

30.12.2011 17:14, scarit

I was sent a parcel from Donetsk, it took almost 3 weeks. But everything came in one piece. The parcel has an ID that can be used to track its movements on the Russian Post website.
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30.12.2011 17:28, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

It may be necessary to allocate information about sending material to a separate topic?

I don't know how much the parcel is sent from Ukraine. From Moscow to St. Petersburg, in my experience, from 5 days (a record) to 2 or more weeks (there was a case when a letter with congratulations on the new year came in March). The letter went from Manchester to St. Petersburg for a little over a month. IMHO, with our mail, the problem is not even in the delivery time, but in the delivery itself and not in a messed-up form.

In the case of important and urgent cases (when there is no time to look for an opportunity), I use commercial mail, so far there have been no problems. But, expensive. One letter (not a parcel post!) to Moscow ~ 350 rubles. By the way, I managed to convince girls who accept mailings that sending biomaterials is prohibited only outside of Russia, i.e. samples can be sent across Russia.

In general, I try not to send anything of value by mail - just send it through someone.

When sending a parcel, it is assigned a number, which, theoretically, can be used to track the parcel on the Internet-see see the link in my previous post, where this issue is being discussed.

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30.12.2011 18:16, scarit

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30.12.2011 20:30, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Then not only insects and not only in Russia.

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