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Dubrovsky HAS potential, but NO school.

Some didn't even have a regular school: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=428180&st=344#.

I'll repeat myself.

Dubrovsky HAS potential, but NO school. Entomological science in Russia is mostly the continuity of knowledge, skills, and traditions. I HAVEN'T heard anything about the Voronezh school of lepidopterology. I know St. Petersburg. I know Moscow. I know Novosibirsk. I know the Far East. Voronezh-sorry, no. And it will not be until there is a KNOWLEDGEABLE and AUTHORITATIVE scholar who can bring up the same KNOWLEDGEABLE and AUTHORITATIVE students.

Let's take a look:

Peter. Menetrie, Lepekhin, Pallas, Schrenk, Grum-Grzhimailo, Kozhanchikov, etc., etc., and now-Sinev, Lukhtanov, Falkovich, Matov, Mironov, etc. - the success of the school is evident.

Moscow. Fischer von Waldheim, Yershov, Tsvetaev, Ganson, Murzin, Antonova, and now-Sviridov, Gorbunov, Devyatkin, Churkin, Kaabak, Bush, etc. - the success of the school is evident.

Siberia. Zolotarenko, Korshunov, and now - Dubatolov, Vasilenko, Yakovlev, Doroshkin, Knyazev-it is obvious that the school is successful.

The Far East. Moltrecht, Mochulsky, Kurentsov, Sasova, and now - Glushchenko, Streltsov, Chistyakov, Mutin, Belyaev, Ponomarenko, and others-the school is also successful.

In Siberia, there is a young sovochnik Anton Volynkin. He does a very good job.
Vladimir Kononenko works in the Far East.

This post was edited by barko - 03.04.2012 09: 44

A couple of notes on "Far Eastern school"

Kononenko is already in his seventh decade as Vladimir and not even Vasilyevich, but Stepanovich
Mutin is still primarily a dipterologist, he was foolishly engaged in daytime butterflies in his distant youth (his own words), he came to his senses in time and greatly succeeded in sirfids
Well how not to mention our well known in narrow circles Professor Martynenko

And we also have Koshkin

A couple of notes on "Far Eastern school"

Kononenko is already in his seventh decade as Vladimir and not even Vasilyevich, but Stepanovich

How was I so wrong? I offended Volodya. We only met last week in Budupesti. He visited the museum, visited me, and visited his old Hungarian friends sovochnikov. We had a very pleasant and fruitful conversation.

Things happen
I don't think he'd be offended even if he read it.

A couple of notes about the Siberian school. Now at least 15 people are actively working in the butterfly plan. Of course, the backbone is formed through the ISEJ and Vladimir Dubatolov. It is worth mentioning Anton Volynkin, a young entomologist from Barnaul who is exceptionally productive and knowledgeable (even before the defense, he published 1 article in EO, 1 in Zootaxa, and 2 in the Eurasian Journal). It works on scoops. This is a very promising young scientist.
And of course Slava Knyazev, who made remarkable progress in studying the regional fauna of the Omsk region.
Yuri Perunov lives and works in Barnaul. He has over 15,000 butterflies in his collection. It is rarely published - but the person is knowledgeable and very enthusiastic.
In Gorno-Altaisk, Malkov, Kopylov, and Bondarenko are published relatively regularly.
In Abakan - Dragan.
In Kemerovo-Sushchev
In Ulan-Ude-Ayuna Shodotova, Gordeev, Filippov brothers.
In Kyzyl silence
In Chita-silence.
In Yakutia , quite active work on butterflies is carried out by several specialists at once.
In Tomsk, oddly enough - silence - Dima Komarov almost does not publish.
Novosibirsk deserves special words-it is a galaxy - Dubatolov, Ustyuzhanin, Kosterin, Vasilenko, Nakonechny, etc.
There are quite a few people in Krasnoyarsk, but by a strange coincidence, I don't know them. Although I often visit this city in Central Russia.
It is quite deaf in Tyumen and such modern rich cities as Khanty-Mansiysk, Surgut, Salekhard.
So the work goes on. Although so far this is a tiny number of people in such a huge territory..
I would write separately about specialists from the Urals-Olshvang, P. Gorbunov, V. Doroshkin, etc.

This post was edited by Yakovlev - 04.04.2012 05: 22

I do not know where the list of people involved in butterflies (both professionals and amateurs) came from, but about 10 years ago I received a photocopy from Viktor Velikoivanenko with their full names and postal addresses (probably 10 pages) in alphabetical order. During this time, of course, I strongly scratched it with notes and comm. BUT, why not reanimate this list?? Remove some things and add a lot of new names. Of course, ideally, you should at least briefly indicate who is interested in what.... Or maybe such a list is still available on the Internet???

... no there are quite a few names just not there... and there are quite a few unknown names?

Dear colleagues!
Some time ago, while browsing, out of boredom, one of the bourgeois sites, I came across a very interesting letter, slightly adapted, abridged and updated content of which I offer to your attention. NB! The text below is not the original, but reflects the essence as much as possible…

SARATOV ENTOMOLOGISTS CRYING FOR HELP

Dear Western and European colleagues and buddies!
Dear Sirs, ladies and gentlemen!
Brothers and sisters!

Currently, in the conditions of severe economic crisis, we Saratov entomologists are facing really tough times. (Forget about the rest of Russia, we are talking about Saratov now). Although some of us Saratov residents do have thousands of dead Palaearctic specimens in our collections here in Saratov, we just can not sell this material for good price in Russia, to say nothing about beloved hometown Saratov. So, where can a Saratov entomologist earn his living from? Having spent tens of years searching, travelling, breeding and killing thousands of butterflies here in Saratov and adjacent territories, like Tien-Shan, Pamirs, Tibet, the Far East, etc. we suddenly realized that one just can not eat them.... First, one has to sell them for good money and then spend the proceeds for food… Strange as it may seem, here in Saratov it has turned out that the same goes for clothes and boots as well…

You see, the thing is all that we here in Saratov can do is search, travel, breed and kill butterflies here in Saratov and adjacent territories. But to do so, we need to eat and wear something, and what can we do about it here in Saratov if we can not sell them specimens for good-good price?

For instance, nobody in Russia wants to buy a pair of, say, Parnassius actinoboloides for 200 Euro, like you guys easily and readily do … And here in Saratov, 200 Euro could just save the lives of some highly-motivated enthusiastic entomologists…

Dear friends! On behalf of all us Saratov-based totally science-orientated poor people, I ask you for help. PLEASE, BUY MY MATERIAL, OR AT LEAST TELL ME THE NAME AND ADDRESS OF SOME RICH FREAK WHOM I CAN SELL IT TO!!! ANOTHER OPTION IS: PLEASE, GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHERE I CAN CONTINUOUSLY EARN AT LEAST USD 2,000 PER MONTH BY SELLING MY STUFF…DON’T TAKE ME FOR A BEGGAR, JUST SHOW ME THE RIGHT DOOR TO KNOCK AT!

YOURS FAITHFULLY, TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY,
A.B.

Yeah, I've seen such a disgrace.
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Dear colleagues!
Some time ago, while browsing, out of boredom, one of the bourgeois sites, I came across a very interesting letter, slightly adapted, abridged and updated content of which I offer to your attention. NB! The text below is not the original, but reflects the essence as much as possible…

SARATOV ENTOMOLOGISTS CRYING FOR HELP

Dear Western and European colleagues and buddies!
Dear Sirs, ladies and gentlemen!
Brothers and sisters!

Currently, in the conditions of severe economic crisis, we Saratov entomologists are facing really tough times. (Forget about the rest of Russia, we are talking about Saratov now). Although some of us Saratov residents do have thousands of dead Palaearctic specimens in our collections here in Saratov, we just can not sell this material for good price in Russia, to say nothing about beloved hometown Saratov. So, where can a Saratov entomologist earn his living from? Having spent tens of years searching, travelling, breeding and killing thousands of butterflies here in Saratov and adjacent territories, like Tien-Shan, Pamirs, Tibet, the Far East, etc. we suddenly realized that one just can not eat them.... First, one has to sell them for good money and then spend the proceeds for food… Strange as it may seem, here in Saratov it has turned out that the same goes for clothes and boots as well…
 
You see, the thing is all that we here in Saratov can do is search, travel, breed and kill butterflies here in Saratov and adjacent territories. But to do so, we need to eat and wear something, and what can we do about it here in Saratov if we can not sell them specimens for good-good price?

For instance, nobody in Russia wants to buy a pair of, say, Parnassius actinoboloides for 200 Euro, like you guys easily and readily do … And here in Saratov, 200 Euro could just save the lives of some highly-motivated enthusiastic entomologists…

Dear friends! On behalf of all us Saratov-based totally science-orientated poor people, I ask you for help. PLEASE, BUY MY MATERIAL, OR AT LEAST TELL ME THE NAME AND ADDRESS OF SOME RICH FREAK WHOM I CAN SELL IT TO!!! ANOTHER OPTION IS: PLEASE, GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHERE I CAN CONTINUOUSLY EARN AT LEAST USD 2,000 PER MONTH BY SELLING MY STUFF…DON’T TAKE ME FOR A BEGGAR, JUST SHOW ME THE RIGHT DOOR TO KNOCK AT!

YOURS FAITHFULLY, TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY,
A.B.

Greetings and captions are similar to banter. I can't believe that an educated person can make such sentences. (I don't discuss the meaning of the letter. it's none of my business.)

NB! The text below is not the original, but reflects the essence as much as possible…

And where can I get acquainted with the original?

and I threw the pictures a little higher. this is the original)

barko:... Hello St. ee and the caption are like banter. I can't believe that an educated person can make such sentences. (I don't discuss the meaning of the letter. it's none of my business.)
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And what do you see as "uneducated"? And where do you see the"greeting"? Or do you refer to the message as a "greeting"? And if it's not up to you to discuss meaning, who told you that it's up to you to discuss what you're doing?

This post was edited by Stapleton - 08.08.2012 16: 48

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Greetings and captions are similar to banter. I can't believe that an educated person can make such sentences. (I don't discuss the meaning of the letter. it's none of my business.)

As far as I know, the author of this nonsense is very much abusing alcohol, perhaps this is the whole reason...

As far as I know, the author of this nonsense is very much abusing alcohol, perhaps this is the whole reason...

According to my modest data, a completely different person is abusing it...

According to my modest data, a completely different person is abusing it...

I'm afraid you misunderstood me - I didn't mean you, but the author of the same text in English.

I'm afraid you misunderstood me - I didn't mean you, but the author of the very text in English.

No, I understand you correctly, but according to my information, another person, although a fellow countryman of the author, has the properties you have given...

and I threw the pictures a little higher. this is the original )

If this is the original, then the "creative processing" of uch. Stapleton is not clear - Comrade Nakoicher is interested



This post was edited by Bad Den-08.08.2012 19: 53

If this is the original, then the "creative processing" of uch. Stapleton is not clear - Comrade Nakoicher is interested

And uch. Stapleton for technical reasons could not copy the original, and was too lazy to reprint this stuff, - that's the whole story, - says Comrade Ablinshobbylo.

Comrade Nessortesgoryachiefinskieparni enters dialog

And uch. Stapleton for technical reasons could not copy the original, and was too lazy to reprint this stuff, - that's the whole story, - says Comrade Ablinshobbylo.

The logic can't be traced, sorry.
The process of typing such a large number of characters and the process of "creative processing" of the source material requires much more energy than even a set of hyperlinks and a small explanation.

Yes, this attitude can't lead anywhere...
Anyone who has been to Peru (and, unfortunately, probably in any developing countries) knows how quickly nature is being destroyed there.
Naturally, a person who takes out insects without " papers "(in other words, who has not coughed up someone) is a poacher, a destroyer of nature, etc. etc. A person who reduces the forest to thousands of hectares is a respected businessman, a worthy member of society.

When we were put away in India, they explained that if we applied to the forest department, they would give us permission... They wouldn't have given it exactly... but what's the point?
If you have permission, then you can, and if not, then nooooo...
For the Insects themselves, what will change if there is a piece of paper for their capture or not?
That's the root of it!!!
But our entomologists have been "pawned" and we need to raise the topic of morality. For 14 years, lampoon letters from Dinetz (son of the PR-minded Leonid Kaabak) have been hanging on the Internet and these bastards don't have the sense to remove them, oh, I'll be angry...

from the Theater of one Spectator...

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Hello, I wanted to share my experience and warn you!
In August, I accidentally met Alexander Petrovich Generalov,gave him the material for the implementation of 700 ue.In the future, the person fed me excuses and told me that he was sick, then he was about to give it away, and so on.
Then he disappeared completely the phones stopped working and he stopped responding to emails.
He is connected with Nikitin from entomon and often communicates with him as I found out even at this time!Nikitin refused to give a valid phone number after I explained my claims to Generalov.
If someone also suffered from his offers, I suggest you join forces and find this person!It is difficult to do this alone,but if we get together, there is every chance to bring him to clean water !Write to your email address affalina_87@list.ru your suggestions!And thoughts!

Megacephalu: For making claims, there is a separate topic "Creating a black list of sellers/buyers".

Buy an elephant beetle!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cerambycidae-Prion...0IAAOSwnZJfg2Dn

Buy an elephant beetle!  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cerambycidae-Prion...0IAAOSwnZJfg2Dn

What's wrong?

No, well, if the species are described in order to sell the holotype later, and this is a global practice, then everything is so, but really, what is wrong??
Only probably ebay is not the main platform for trading such things, because let's say that there are probably quite a few species described in the world every year, and accordingly. holotypes are sold somewhere, but there don't seem to be any on ebay

What's wrong?

It's not like that. Holotypes should be kept in museums and available for research. I guess, of course, that the taxon was described with the main and perhaps only purpose-to make money. From this point of view, I see some deep ill health of those who are willing to buy it... You just lose faith in humanity...

No, it won't take off like that. It was necessary to undermine before the description, but with a guarantee sp. n.

PS: I was not too lazy and looked:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/33...e_from_Colombia

Facepalm... :/

New generation of Russian coleoptereconomists

In general, these gentlemen have described a lot of beetles, we need to look for more types on eBay...

It's not like that. Holotypes should be kept in museums and available for research.

Moreover, the description is strongly recommended to be published in serious scientific publications. But here, neither...

In general, these gentlemen have described a lot of beetles, we need to look for more types on eBay...

Yes, I remember that about 10 years ago Lazarev had an article describing 12 new subspecies of one species of barbel from the genus Dorcadion.

why discuss someone again?!!!
I take it you don't personally know the people you're discussing. It must be a shame,a shame...
you've traveled a lot...did you spend a lot of your money?
either the museum or institute has allocated money for the trip...trips?
go, spend, for example, your $ 10,000, then describe it and give it back...risk your life...
Criticize all garazd! What interesting things did you catch? where you've been,what you've been doing all these years...

The criticism is quite justified: it is not appropriate to sell them to private collections for the sake of personal enrichment. Or is this such a clever way to hide them in a secluded place in order to make it difficult for third parties to study them, which may well lead to "closing the discovery" (reducing them to synonyms)? After all, a person who bought a holotype for a tidy sum is unlikely to allow someone from the outside to do such a blasphemy on his beauty.