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29.03.2012 18:35, Choiskat

Whatever it's crawling with..Go ahead and write it down!This is labor..self-discipline..healthy ambition and ambition. Time,and therefore money.Or rather so:time and money.
And another point:this action does not give any special preferences to current dissertants from entomology.I'm more than sure:the same Vodianov and Dubrovsky certainly did not enrich themselves in this action..And Negrobov, too.
We must respect each other.
About my anonymity..I'm a specialist in another area of biological science..therefore, I have no right to judge entomolgy..But I can definitely see who is a charlatan and who is an ascetic of science..The same guys, for whom it became a shame, spin like squirrels in a wheel..three trips to Tajikistan-Afghanistan-how is it?This is not in Penza "mervuyu head shukat"..
To Caesar keserevo.

29.03.2012 19:17, rhopalocera.com

Whatever it's crawling with..Go ahead and write it down!This is labor..self-discipline..healthy ambition and ambition. Time,and therefore money.Or rather so:time and money.
And another point:this action does not give any special preferences to current dissertants from entomology.I'm more than sure:the same Vodianov and Dubrovsky certainly did not enrich themselves in this action..And Negrobov, too.
We must respect each other.
About my anonymity..I'm a specialist in another area of biological science..therefore, I have no right to judge entomolgy..But I can definitely see who is a charlatan and who is an ascetic of science..The same guys, for whom it became a shame, spin like squirrels in a wheel..three trips to Tajikistan-Afghanistan-how is it?This is not in Penza "mervuyu head shukat"..
To Caesar keserevo.

this is nothing. thoroughly explored regions that have been grazed since the time of the King of Peas, and then also Emperor Hirohito and Queen Elizabeth. The European part of Russia is much less explored.

29.03.2012 20:48, Лавр Большаков

With some delay, I got in - and I see that another" lawyer", but cowardly and anonymous, appeared at the profanator Vodianov.
I'm responding.
First, go to " Cadastre..." Voronezh region published a review,
where the most" honorable " place is occupied by the analysis of how Vodianov shat there.
Anyone who understands at least something about lepidopterology in European Russia more broadly than it is written in the zoology textbook can freely read this review and read the Cadastre itself-and already tell you what I am wrong about.
Indeed, Vodianov once communicated with Antonova and Sviridov (I know from them), and I readily believe that he corresponded with Korshunov. But many fans from all over the country communicated with them. If you read the works of these respected entomologists, then there are no hints of Vodianov's contribution to science in any form. While normal amateurs are not only repeatedly mentioned as collectors of material, but also stand in the co-authors - that Antonova, that Sviridov, that Korshunov.
It's just disgusting on the part of Vodianova and K - on the basis of cap acquaintances and superficial communication, to refer to the help of specialists, which in fact did not exist If there was such a thing, there would not be those dirty tricks in the "Cadastre..." And if there was help, but dirty tricks still appeared, then Vodianov just got off go crazy while working on this list. And the fact that after that he still "bought" an academic degree - puts him even lower in moral terms.

29.03.2012 22:19, MisterXus

I rarely come here, so I didn't catch on right away.
Interesting case. You allow yourself to get personal. And let's do it, since you have absolutely no sense of tact.
I immediately have a complaint to Bolshakov. You're yapping here that Vodianov and Dubrovsky are such incompetent entomologists. Forum users may actually have an opinion that this is the case. Have you ever read their dissertations ? Do you even know what they are talking about to accuse them of insolvency ? I'm sure not. As for mistakes, you learn from mistakes. And there has never been a single entomologist in the world who has not made mistakes. Mistakes are not made by those who do nothing ! And everyone is good at criticizing ! Remember in" The Master and Margarita " there was a critic Latunsky. His story ended sadly. He was an incompetent scribbler, but he was a master at harassing everyone.
In your article about the inventory in your own journal of the name of yourself-a loved one, you say "it should be there, but they don't have it". What do you mean it should be ?? If the butterfly is not marked, it means that no one has ever seen it here. But we have, according to the literature data, Colias electro for the Usmansky bor, should have been included in the list, what do you think ? Voronezh is just a stone's throw from Africa. Quit all these pseudoscientific tricks !
I can speak for myself about the dissertation. My topic is "Fauna and ecology of moths of the Voronezh region". The accuracy of the definition was confirmed by Elena Antonova, with whom I spoke very closely on the topic of my work. If you have no respect for me personally, which, by the way, is mutual, then have respect for her memory. Or does Antonova's competence also raise questions for you ? I had to tackle the topic almost from scratch when I was still a third-year student. We have not studied the moth in the region at all. I found 128 new types for the region. And whether this work is worthy or not, you were decided earlier in VAKA.
Besides, you didn't just run over us. You have questioned the level of the Department of Invertebrate Ecology and Taxonomy at VSU. I am sure that Oleg Pavlovich Negrobov would gladly subject you to the most severe obstruction, if he had the opportunity. That is, an entire department (including Prof. Golub V. B.) raised and pushed two idiots, and the great Bolshakov fancied himself Batman and denounced everyone. You have delusions of grandeur !
At the moment, I am interested in daytime highlands of Central Asia. Kostya Vodianov and I work together here. This is an exceptionally competent person and specialist, who has a huge experience and dozens of expeditions whose geography: the Caucasus is Large and Small, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Altai, Tuva, Buryatia, Amur, Yakutia, Magadan, Khabarovsk Territory, Primorye...and all this for 5-7 times, this is not counting the notorious the European part. In my 31 years, I also managed to ride: the Caucasus, Yakutia, Khabarovsk Krai (Okhotsk region), Kamchatka, Kyrgyzstan, spent 6 expeditions to Tajikistan and Afghanistan (to those points where no one has ever been or was a glimpse 30 years ago, for example xp. Tanymas in Tajikistan, Yudomsky ridge in Priokhotye). And what can you brag about ??? Worn-out pants ?
There was an opinion about pitted skin. For some reason, Churkin and Sochivko constantly describe something new from there. Why would that be ? We also described a new subspecies Parnassius staudingeri rudra Vodjanov & Dubrovskiy 2011 from Tajikistan at the end of last year. Another caramius is coming up. We will reduce one newly minted species to a synonym, because some describe three copies from the reserves of the 70s, while others come to a typical place and the picture is immediately clear. Another 3 new Colias subspecies are under development and 2 new Erebian subspecies from Kamchatka. The Red Book of the Voronezh Region was published, where Vodianov and I took an active part. Did I do something "for hip hop at my age ?"
All this is written to defend its good name before the entomological community. I don't need to justify myself to the marginal Bolshakov. In polite society, such words are beaten in the face. But I'm afraid Grandpa Mazai is too old to challenge him to a duel. He's like a smoldering firebrand. It can't burn, and it doesn't want to go out, so all it does is stink.
If looking at the genitals of toothed moths excites you – for God's sake. If you like, you can settle for entomological leftovers and making a sensation out of nothing, for the sake of maintaining low self-esteem-please. But don't project your childhood complexes onto other people you don't know anything about.
Let's make a deal. If someone has a specific claim to someone-there is a personal account for this. It's a very long time to write all this.

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30.03.2012 5:55, bora

One of the conclusions in the dissertation " Fauna and ecology of mace-whiskered lepidoptera (Diurna, Lepidoptera) Voronezh Region" by Konstantin Yuryevich Vodianov:

5. The features of preimaginal development and trophic relationships of 142 species of diurnal butterflies were studied.

This means "features of preimaginal development and trophic relationships of 142 species" were studied optionally between expeditions to "the Caucasus Large and Small, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Altai, Tuva, Buryatia, Amur, Yakutia, Magadan, Khabarovsk Krai, Primorye...and all this 5-7 times"

How was this done physically? It would be interesting to know.

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30.03.2012 8:02, bora

Probably, I didn't sit on forums and didn't ruffle my feathers in front of"novice lepidopterists"..yes, and samizdatomom (troublesome business!) he is not a fan,as far as I know, and is published exclusively in Vakov or English-language magazines..
Just like that.

What you have written is, of course, very commendable.
However, it is fundamentally impossible to study the features of preimaginal development and trophic relationships of 142 species while traveling the entire field season away from the research site.
Do you have any idea what it means to grow at least one species, for example, pigeons from egg to adult? Study the features of preimaginal development? Investigate the features of trophic relationships? How much time and effort does it take?
And what does this have to do with foreign magazines?

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30.03.2012 9:55, А.Й.Элез

Having recently familiarized myself with the KK of the Voronezh Region, I was surprised by the paucity of faunal data on mace-whiskered lepidoptera, as well as partly on coleoptera. The authors indicate a very limited number of points that coincide for a number of species, but they clearly coincide not because of the syntopic locality of the species, but because of the locality and, to put it mildly, the sporadicity of the authors ' visits to their own region. I have only briefly toured the Voronezh Region a few times in recent years just for the sake of a few specific species, but even then I can add a lot to a number of species (not just points, but even additional administrative districts for which the authors are not aware of the presence of a particular species). I could also correct information about the degree of rarity or locality of certain species. Unfortunately, the authors, presumably, were not interested in the reports on our forum and did not request information from visitors to their region (in any case, they did not request it from me). I have not been surprised by anything bad in the Red Books for a long time, but the level of faunal awareness of the Voronezh CC came as a surprise to me – as well as the awareness of the considerable potential value of even my amateur observations for correcting this professional literature...

30.03.2012 9:59, Penzyak

I noticed something interesting-that apart from the Voronezh lepidopteran beetles themselves, NO ONE said ANYTHING positive about their "scientific" activities!??
Or are we reading the wrong Vakov and foreign magazines?

Gentlemen Voronezh entomologists (or merchants from entomology, I don't even know if there are any differences in this now in your area) You still didn't understand anything - we didn't have anything against you personally as people (I don't know you personally) and we don't want to have anything. If you haven't figured it out yet, these are strictly your Voronezh "cockroaches".
The audience gathered here is interested in your purely professional (I'm not talking about the trade in leeches - please do not confuse God's gift with eggs) activities for the benefit of lepidopterology as a science! As I see it, there is such a paradoxical situation in your area: there are not just a lot of entomologists, but a LOT of them, there is a school, a department, leading scientists - there are a lot of works written (probably if you compare them with the regions - Voronezh residents will be in the top five in the Russian Federation). Well, as if it is considered that in your area everything has long been studied and scientific research should be taken out to Central Asia and beyond... And how it came to the CC of the region - here it turns out that there is not enough modern entomological information about their places.... The Varangians from Moscow were quick to notice this...
And another interesting thing is that you then write dissertations on the SAME family (!??) from your territory and with so many comments? Well, they would write in those distant lands - there are more butterflies and the territory is incommensurable than in the European part of the Russian Federation.
That's actually all the non-connections-koi the public is trying to find out. Why switch to swearing and personalities? I am not outraged by your businessman with his maniacal idea of "the problem of the death's head hawk moth in the Penza region"... ugh...

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30.03.2012 10:32, MisterXus

Why do you condemn us ? Let's hold a picket in front of the parliament building to raise salaries, to give grants for faunal research )) Expeditions, real and serious, are very expensive. You have to invest your own money there, which, contrary to popular opinion, is NOT ENOUGH. And there are many people who want to add to their collection. If there is a demand , there is a supply. Everything ! Here is the appearance of a modern faunist. Churkin, Sinyaev, Sochivko. They also do not get involved in near-scientific forum polemics, but simply do their job. And they make it 5+. As a result, scientific knowledge about entomology is replenished and the person who does this has the means to live and for future expeditions. All basic research outside the European part has been done this way since the 1990s.
About the study of the Voronezh Region. I agree. Its eastern part is poorly studied. This is a fact. So get on with it ! Here you are, for example, Comrade Polumordvinov. You are not far from Penza there. But about coleoptera you are in vain. Negrobov's son O. P., Negrobov Sergey is currently in the process of writing a doctoral thesis on records in the Voronezh Region – a very full-fledged work has been done there. You can discuss this issue with them.
And let's get this entomological homosexuality over with!
Niyaz, you see how it happens. Do you still want to do science ? From all this skirmish, it follows that you need to study the Voronezh Region. This is promising, and most importantly, no one will judge you. What is Karyakia ??? What is it about ? You will immediately be accused of being a potential salesman. But seriously, Niyaz, I'm talking to you. Do not listen to anyone, send all the loudmouths to hell and, indeed, try to paint over at least one white spot on the map. By the way, Wild Yuri once told me about the same thing, which prompted me to go at the age of 22 for the whole summer to the wildest taiga at the junction of Suntar-Khayat and Yudomsky ridge. When I was thrown out by a pinwheel alone in the taiga 300 km from the nearest settlement. There still wasn't a single entomologist before or after me. Look for such places. Beat back expenses by selling related content. You will be reproached, condemned, do not pay attention. They themselves are only capable of this and will simply envy you.

30.03.2012 10:52, Penzyak

About the study of the Voronezh Region. I agree. Its eastern part is poorly studied. This is a fact. So get on with it ! Here you are, for example, Comrade Polumordvinov. You are not far from Penza there.

- yeah, I have nothing else to do but pick at your kurmysh. You'll be able to find out for yourself - there are enough undiscovered families in the lepidoptera fauna of the Voronezh Region for many more graduate students.

And there are many people who want to add to their collection. If there is a demand , there is a supply. Everything ! Here is the appearance of a modern faunist. Churkin, Sochivko.... They also do not get involved in near-scientific forum polemics, but simply do their job. And they make it 5+.

- sometimes it seems to me that the description of new subspecies (or even species) this is some kind of sport, so it has become commonplace and put on stream... I am more than sure that most of these are at best ecological forms of the species - and if these taxa are run through genetics (a matter of the absolutely near future), then very predictable results will turn out.

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30.03.2012 11:48, А.Й.Элез

In general, I join the position of tt. Lavra Bolshakova, rhopalocera.com and Penzyak, and in my opinion T. swerig formulated the position most dialectically of all.

There are enough people here whose specialty is not related to entomology by diploma and place of work. And no one reproaches them with the fact that they do not spend money on entomology 24 hours a day, that they also earn something for their bread, and even with butter. Here they will never reproach those entomologists who have the main income not as entomologists (otherwise they would starve to death), but as webmasters, dealers, brokers, brokers, as they used to say - everyone who cares about the fate of perestroika. But if a person is lucky enough to feed on the same world of insects with which he works and for his scientific interest, and not to be torn (to the detriment of both sides) even spatially in two, if, roughly speaking, a hobby goes hand in hand with earnings, for some reason it often seems not successful (for some reason). man and for science) by a combination, but by sin. As, they say, so: he is both an entomologist and a salesman. I see neither sound logic nor sound ethics in this reproach. If a trade worker (even from a stall where they sell butterflies on the wall) is seriously attracted to insects, we will not be indignant, but as soon as the entomologist engages in commerce, a noble fuss is raised. I remember an old joke. The recruit asks the chaplain: "Holy Father, can I smoke during prayer if I really want to?" - "What are you, my son, this is a sin," the chaplain answers. The soldier became sad, and one of the "grandfathers" noticed: "That's not how you ask it, sucker, let me ask you. Holy Father, if I have to pray while smoking, can I?" - "Of course I can, my son, it's a holy thing!"

So I would not translate the issue of Voronezh into a fight against commerce. The trouble begins when commerce (but this is exactly the same as any other income outside of science proper) clogs science, when a person focused on commerce does not show proper conscientiousness in science, for which he does not even have physically time (this is fully explained here), and allows himself, well aware of their unwillingness to publish high-quality material, push hackery, and even incorrectly appealing to authorities. Then the public will remember him to the hilt and commerce, and the public at such a moment can be understood. You don't forget about money, and you sell science more and more to the imp.Taxonomy and nomenclature are no longer subordinated to the good purpose of reflecting reality, but to commercial interest... But I know enough people (including entomologists) who, even if not noisy, but honestly (this does not mean that without mistakes, of course, but without hackery, with demands on themselves) work in science and at the same time provide for themselves without going beyond its subject field and without refueling cars and cars. not guarding stores.

I consider the discussion about choosing between Koryakia and Voronezh as a Swift confrontation between blunt-edged and sharp-edged people. Work is needed both in depth and in breadth, it is easier to rumble quantitatively in Koryakia (there they will be reduced to synonyms not tomorrow, because there is no one), and high-quality menial work on clearing accumulated manure and further deepening knowledge is more than enough in the European part of the USSR, no one will do this for entomologists either. Yes there is only the notorious fifth point from the novelty of the dissertation vol Vodianova, if it is really carried out at least in its field, will require decades of work, T. bora is absolutely right. But this applies not only to the Voronezh Region. The choice of field ultimately depends on the primary interest of the researcher himself, when this interest is more clearly formed. As long as you don't care, as long as the future researcher thinks only about what is better, more expedient, under what it is easier to find a supervisor, academic council, etc., and he personally is equally drawn in both directions (or not), it may be better not to consult on forums at all, and still wait and think, and think in principle. Perhaps the best choice will be in favor of working as a bouncer in general. This, of course, I formulate as a general principle, without having anyone personally in mind. It is important to remember that, unlike, say, a number of humanities, entomology as a science suffers little from the cooperation of amateurs with it, and it suffers mainly from amateur professionals with the most authentic diplomas and even degrees.

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30.03.2012 12:04, rhopalocera.com

Regarding Mr. Dubrovskoro's dissertation

Relevance of research. Butterflies of the family Geometridae are one of the most numerous, eurytopic and globally widespread families of the order lepidoptera. In the Voronezh Region, the fauna of mottled lepidoptera, including the moth family, is completely insufficiently studied, since there were practically no targeted studies of these insects in the region. In recent decades, publications concerning the insect fauna of certain territories have listed individual moth species (Skuf'in, 1978; Polozhentsev, 1979; Khitsova, 1986; Khitsova, 1986). In the Central Chernozem region, E. M. Antonova's article (1987) is devoted to the study of the moth fauna and ecology of the Lipetsk region. In the southern European part of Russia, the moth fauna was studied in the Volgograd region (Antonova and Komarov, 2004). Moth beetles that harm the forest and agricultural crops in the region are mentioned in a number of publications, including P. A. Polozhentsev and O. P. Negrobov (1980); V. P. Negrobov and V. V. Shestopalova (1980); M. M. Dorovskaya and V. D. Dorofeeva (2000).
Currently, the world moth fauna includes 35,000 species (Scoble, 1999), and the fauna of Russia and adjacent territories - 1,486 species of this family (Viidalepp, 1997). The number of moth species known from the European part of Russia currently totals 340 (Viidalepp, 1997). By 2000, according to literature data, 74 species of moth were known for the Voronezh Region, which is less than a third of the fauna of this family.
Poor knowledge of the moth fauna of the Voronezh Region and their important biocenological role as phytophages determined the relevance of the research.
Research goals and objectives. The aim of the study was to study the fauna and ecology of butterflies of the family Georaetridae in the Voronezh Region.
To achieve this goal, the following tasks were set:
1. To study the species composition and make an annotated list of moth species in the Voronezh Region.
2. To conduct faunistic and zoogeographic analysis of butterflies of the family Geometridae in the research region.
3. To study the biotopic distribution of moth in the Voronezh Region.
4. To analyze the trophic relationships of moths of the Voronezh region.
5. To identify the phenological features of moths for the studied region.
Scientific novelty. For the first time in the Voronezh Region, the most complete list of moth species is presented, including 232 species belonging to 115 genera, 35 tribes, and 6 subfamilies. 158 species of butterflies of the Geometridae family are listed for the first time in the Voronezh Region. For the first time, faunistic and zoogeographic analyses of geometrids of the research region were carried out, biotopic features and trophic groups of moth moth of the Voronezh Region were identified with an indication of their forage plants, and phenological features were established. A new method of collecting material using night vision devices has been tested.
Theoretical and practical significance. The materials of the dissertation are the basis for further study of a theoretically and practically important group of lepidopteran insects-butterflies of the family Geometridae. The materials of the dissertation were used in the compilation of the "Inventory of invertebrates of the Voronezh Region"
(2005). The practical significance of the work lies in the possibility of using individual moth species in phytosanitary and agricultural monitoring of the state of transformed and natural ecosystems. This information can be used in the educational process when reading special courses in universities.
Testing the work. The materials and main points of the dissertation were reported at the Scientific Sessions of VorSU in 2003 and 2004, at the meeting of the Voronezh Branch of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences in 2004, and at the international conference " Natural Heritage of Russia: Study. Monitoring. Security". Tolyatti, September 21-24, 2004
. Publications. 7 publications were published on the topic of the dissertation.

Conclusions

1. As a result of the conducted research, taking into account collection materials and literary sources, 232 species of moth belonging to 6 subfamilies, 35 tribes, and 115 genera were identified in the Voronezh Region. 158 moth species are listed for the first time in the Voronezh Region.

2. An annotated list of moth species living in the Voronezh Region has been compiled, including information on synonymy, distribution in the research region, summer dates, and the number of specimens.

3. The background complex of moth species of the Voronezh region (70 species) with a total relative abundance of 73.8% is established.

It is based on b common eurybiont species: Archiearis parthenias, Catarhoe cuculata, Epirrhoe alternata, Pseudopanthera macularia Semiothisa clathrata, Siona lineata.

4. Zoogeographic analysis of the moth fauna of the Voronezh Region was carried out. The fauna of butterflies of the family Geometridae is based on 4 most numerous zoogeographic groups: Euro-Kazakhstan, trans-Palearctic asiadisjunctive, Mediterranean-East European, Euro-Asian disjunctive, which have mainly a Euro-Asian latitudinal orientation.

5. Studies of the biotopic distribution of moth in the Voronezh Region have shown that mixed forests (36 species) are the richest in terms of species diversity and abundance. The moth fauna in meadow and steppe biotopes is quite diverse (31 and 27 species). A total of 17 species of butterflies of the family Geometridae have been identified on

transformed territories - in forest belts and urbanized areas.

6. The study of trophic relationships of 229 species of moth makes it possible to distinguish two main trophic groups-phytosaprophages and phytophages. Phytosaprophages are represented by 5 species, true phytophages-by 224 species Three groups are distinguished by food type: polyphages - 119 species of moth, oligophages-50 species and monophages-60 species.

7. Analysis of the phenology of moths found in the Voronezh Region allowed us to distinguish 7 phenological groups of species: early spring, spring, early summer, summer, late summer, autumn and bivoltine. The most numerous are the early summer and summer phenological groups.

List of papers published on the topic of the dissertation

1. Negrobov O. P., Dubrovsky D. V. Rare butterflies of the Voronezh Region // Ecology of the Central Chernozem region of the Russian Federation. - No. 1 (8). Lipetsk, 2002, pp. 57-58.

2. Negrobov O. P. K izucheniyu fauny pyadenits (K1s1or1ega) [To the study of the moth fauna (P1s1or1)]. Oeoteysk) Voronezh region / O. P. Negrobov, D. V. Dubrovsky // Ecology of the Central Chernozem region of the Russian Federation. - No. 2 (9). Lipetsk, 2002: pp. 102-103.

3. Negrobov O. P., Vodianov K. Yu., Dubrovsky D. V. Rare species of lepidoptera (S1s1or1ega) of the Voronezh region // Ecology of the Central Chernozem region of the Russian Federation. - No. 1 (10). Lipetsk, 2003, pp. 58-61.

4. Negrobov O. P., Dubrovsky D. V. Obzor fauny babotochek Voronezhskoy oblasti [Review of the fauna of butterflies of the Voronezh Region]. Sovremennye problemy ekologii i ekologicheskogo obrazovaniya [Modern problems of ecology and ecological education]. - Issue 1. - Yelets, 2004. - p. 40-62.

5. Negrobov O. P., Vodyanov K. Yu., Dubrovsky D. V. Rare species of lepidoptera (S1s1or1ega) of the Voronezh region. - Byull. 15 / 04. - Samara, 2004. - p. 275-281.

6. Negrobov O. P. To rare species of lepidoptera (K1s1or1ega) of the Voronezh region ! Negrobov O. P., Dubrovsky D. V. Materials of the international conference "Natural Heritage of Russia: study, monitoring, protection". Tolyatti, September 21-24, 2004. Tolyatti Publ., 2004, pp. 192-193.

7. Cadastre of invertebrates of the Voronezh region. The Death Squad!eor1ega. / Negrobov O. P. et al. Voronezh, 2005, pp. 328-400

Wonderful are your works, O Lord.

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30.03.2012 14:47, Wild Yuri

One of the conclusions in the dissertation " Fauna and ecology of mace-whiskered lepidoptera (Diurna, Lepidoptera) Voronezh Region" by Konstantin Vodianov:
5. The features of preimaginal development and trophic relationships of 142 species of diurnal butterflies were studied.
This means "features of preimaginal development and trophic relationships of 142 species" were studied optionally between expeditions to "The Caucasus Large and Small, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Altai, Tuva, Buryatia, Amur, Yakutia, Magadan, Khabarovsk Krai, Primorye...and all this for 5-7 times"
.? It would be interesting to know.

Facts are pulled out of the biography... Vodianov has been studying butterflies since a young age. And until the 10th grade of school, I grew many local species and found other caterpillars in nature. Before starting his trips on long-distance expeditions, he learned a lot from Voronezh butterflies. Could there be 142 species? Quite. I believe him. I know him well as a specialist. You can say an encyclopedist of Voronezh butterflies.

30.03.2012 16:13, А.Й.Элез

Facts are pulled out of the biography... Vodianov has been studying butterflies since a young age. And until the 10th grade of school, I grew many local species and found other caterpillars in nature. Before starting his trips on long-distance expeditions, he learned a lot from Voronezh butterflies. Could there be 142 species? Quite. I believe him. I know him well as a specialist. You can say an encyclopedist of Voronezh butterflies.

Arguments are pulled out of the polemic. And the reality is sad. I myself have personally heard about Vodianov and good reviews from people who know him, but after all, the review of T. Bolshakov does not falsify the original, and apologists are all silent about this. And there, alas, every fact screams. Or here offhand according to Beru's KK VO p. 105, Argiades pyrenaicus ergane. Authors of the article: K. Y. Vodianov, D. V. Dubrovsky. "In the Voronezh region - Liskinsky district: Divnogorye village district; Ostrogozhsky district: Soldatskoye village district". I understand that within Europe, this subspecies can be considered a narrowly local endemic, but not two farms! Within the framework of the region, specifying such two points (very favorite, by the way, by the authors, which can be forgiven only in part and only for Divnogorye) is the same as specifying Barvikha and Cherusti according to the rutabagas in the MO CC and limiting it to this, and the shameless introduction of such a good man to the regional CC is justified by Doldon songs about the desire to protect biotopes from plowing and buildings. On the Pyrenaicus in the same Ostrogozhsky district, you can name a whole bunch of points, and on the Liskinsky neighborhood of S. Divnogorie is a very narrow indication.

It is ridiculous to speak of Romanism (pp. 101-102, the authors are the same). Again, the same unfortunate Soldatskoe in the Ostrogozhsky district, plus four more areas, which do not exhaust the range of the species within the VO at all. And for these four districts, one village is indicated in three cases, and two villages in one case. That's all! Is Rimn so pointwise flying or are the authors such pointwise riders? If God does not want to have a wealth of information, then how is it possible to build a dacha in public after such pathetic savings? After that, how do you want to treat the work of the authors? Likes are likes, but text is text. I would rather agree with the somewhat controversial, but much closer to the truth, recent statement by T. Wild Juri that the species lives wherever there is a food plant. Moreover, it is not uncommon (but not necessary) for the adult species to have a mass accumulation of caragana over the sites. In the Ostrogozhsky district, Rimn met me only as a small number; to be honest, I didn't really look for it, since in the Kamensky district, which is not known to the authors, Rimn is just a sordid species, like in Ostrogozhsky, by the way, Pyrenaicus (although not in the village of Soldatsky, I haven't been there).

Moving from apples to the apple tree, we come to the article written by O. P. Negrobov and A.V. Prisny on Scolia maculata (p.70). The species appears to be "known in the Voronezh Region from the Bobrovsky and Novokhopersky districts". I toured five districts of the VO (Liskinsky, Ostrogozhsky, Pavlovsky, Buturlinovsky and Kamensky), i.e. I did not sniff the extreme south. But, if in other areas the situation is not much worse, then it was easier to name places where it does not exist by the giant scolia in this region. This species once even came across me in Moscow, which I have long reported here. The instance was checked by a specialist, and this type is not a problem to determine. And for the authors, their pathetic information is a gift of fate: as a source of information at the end of the article, only one thing is indicated:"The message of S. O. Negrobov". Is this, perhaps, the study of fauna, if such a species is such a poor information base? By God, it's a shame that people usually buy better paper for printing such texts for people's money, and in general they try to make the book prettier. But you can't photograph S. O. Negrobov's report, which means that the scolia specimen depicted (photo by D. V. Dubrovsky) has nothing to do with VO at all and is theoretically not insured against being unsuitable for the CC of this region in the event of future development of intraspecific taxonomy. And this is not a species that is "probably extinct" and cannot be photographed, but a fairly common species. However, there is no time for academic fat, after all that has been said above...

It turns out that the oak marshmallow in the Thorn Forest lives only in the vicinity of the village of Chernavka, which is also incorrect. Is it really possible to think that he will be afraid to cross the border with the Pavlovsky district, which is only a short distance away from the Chernavsky cordon? And it divides the Thorn Forest roughly in half. And before it, there is also the Red cordon, where the view is also available. Yes, and in the Ostrogozhsky district (this is just a guess), the view should be not only in the long-suffering village of Soldatsky, because there are enough oak trees at the turn to Korotoyak, and around the Voloshino farm and north to Medvezhya Polyana (Trud farm) and even further north. I can't guarantee that quercus didn't go crazy and decide on principle to ignore all these oak forest areas (mostly ghostly, of different ages), but I can guarantee that the authors didn't look at these places and, to put it mildly, can't be sure that there is no view in them either. Was it really so difficult to check at least the largest areas of distribution of the monophage forage plant?

Arion lives in the Liskinsky district not only in the village of Divnogorye, but in the Ostrogozhsky district he is not known to the author (here already one D. V,Dubrovsky) at all. In general, single very local points pulled out "from the fool" within biotopically rather monotonous areas produce a simply comical impression and do not allow us to take the CC HE seriously.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 13.06.2014 23: 53

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