About tropics, merchants, and personal preferences

I do not want to continue the flood, but: in 100 g of apples of iron - 2.2 mg, in 100 g of beef liver-6.9 mg.

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Well, about poaching.
the same goes for the Amur tiger.
Who is the main enemy of tigra? a local resident of a village somewhere on the edge of a nature reserve, etc.
Once I walked the path. I saw a trail, two-a trail, three-the tiger itself appeared in my eyes, four-grabbed the dog from under my feet and into the taiga, five-picked up a cow at the cordon.
The sixth item will be either a human or a tiger caught in a noose and shot. And his hide probably won't even be smuggled into the Middle Kingdom.
Yes, you may say, a tiger will attack a human rather because it cannot hunt its typical prey-wild boar, raisins. They say that the old, decrepit, toothless, one-eyed and lame from hunger will profit from human flesh.
Just like that, it can attack because of some harm caused once by a person. And the result of ordinary scientific work can also be considered harmful - they were shot, put to sleep, and hung a radio receiver around their neck. Who would like that? Especially for a cat. Cats are different. In return, they can piss in their sneakers, or they can throw themselves from the wardrobe on their necks. The tiger won't piss in his sneaker.

Another thing is when the local population, in order to survive, gets a tiger skin, arranges fishing on arapaima. This is already a social problem.

After all, the true poachers are rich, high - ranking "hunters" who shoot snow sheep from a helicopter.

And let's remember the movie "And the thunder broke". There was also a hunt for a dinosaur and a butterfly... HOW MUCH MISCHIEF HAS SHE DONE TO HER DEATH!!!

The
Principality of Sikkim is a small province of India, lost in the central part of the Himalayas between Nepal, Bhutan and Tibet. Once it was covered with dense forests, but now it is a country of picturesque mountain villages and rice fields, and from the forests there are several small protected groves, carefully protected. Sikkim's most famous nature reserve is Mount Kanchenjunga National Park. This is one of the most interesting nature parks in Asia, it is mentioned in all guidebooks to the Himalayas, marked on all maps and attracts thousands of tourists from all over the world.
Last summer, Sikkim unexpectedly made the front pages of Russian newspapers. Two Muscovites, Viktor Sinyaev and Oleg Amosov, were arrested in Kangchenjunga Park for illegally fishing for moths. A heavy-duty ultraviolet lamp was confiscated from them, as well as several thousand dried insects. In their defense, the arrested persons stated that, firstly, they are the largest Russian entomological scientists, and secondly, they do not speak English and had no idea about the existence of the national park (freshly purchased entrance tickets to which were found in their possession during a search).
Russia has not seen such a campaign organized in defense of Sinyaev and Amosov by their many friends since the arrest of Russian pilots in India for delivering weapons to Kashmiri terrorists. They were supported by prominent academics, and the Consulate in Calcutta sent a special representative to the trial. Under diplomatic pressure, both detainees were soon released in violation of all criminal procedure norms. They got off with a symbolic fine and refused to return to Russia, but instead went to catch butterflies in the reserves of Nepal.
Apparently, most of the people who defended Sinyaev and Amosov sincerely believed that they were unfortunate scientists who had unknowingly fallen into the net of Indian justice. Few people knew what was really going on.
Since Perestroika, Russia has become one of the largest centers of illegal trade in rare animals - the largest international business, in terms of income, located between drug trafficking and arms smuggling. The object of trade is both domestic fauna, from trepangs to bear bile, and animals from tropical countries. A special place in the ranks of businessmen is occupied by "butterfly hunters". Every summer, dozens of" entomologists " armed with telescopic nets, ultraviolet light traps and chemical baits go to places where the rarest and most beautiful butterflies and beetles are found: the Far East, Central Asia, and tropical countries. With the help of hired porters and local catchers, they harvest hundreds of thousands of insects, and millions more die in traps just like that. All "scientific collections" then go to European auctions and end up in the offices of collectors from Germany, Japan and other Western countries. Prices for particularly rare butterflies reach tens of thousands of pupaars. Some particularly unscrupulous scientists have made scientific careers describing new species from the catches of Russian "hunters". Many Russian entomologists are also not afraid to get dirty: one of the employees of the Prioksko-Terrasny Nature Reserve, for example, opened a special website on the Internet offering rare Russian insects for sale. There are, of course, honest amateurs who are seriously engaged in science, cooperate with local environmental services and do not catch anything without first issuing a permit. But such people can be counted on the fingers.
In the ranks of these professional poachers, Sinyaev and Amosov occupy a prominent place. During the trial, letters from employees of the Berlin Museum, written in defense of the arrested, were read out. They showed that the pair had sold hundreds of thousands of insects to the West over the past twenty years, many of them collected in countries such as the Philippines, where wildlife is preserved only in a handful of tiny nature reserves, and fishing for anything in these reserves is strictly prohibited. But never once in their lives did Sinyaev and Amosov apply to any local environmental organization for permission to conduct scientific research (as is customary among real scientists), and not a single scientific organization in Russia recognized its employees as" entomologists".
So what, you say. So the Russian ambassador to India wrote to the court: "is it worth spoiling relations between our countries because of such nonsense as some insects?" He is echoed by Oleg Gorbunov, a salary recipient (I can't call him a scientist) at the Moscow Institute of Technology. Severtsova and Sinyaev's great friend with Amosov. "There are no rare insects," Gorbunov writes, " and all butterflies are agricultural pests that hide in nature reserves during the day and devour crops in the surrounding fields at night."
In fact, the consequences of the activities of "amateur entomologists" are far from innocent. Over the past decades, many dozens of species and hundreds of populations of rare insects in Europe, Asia and other parts of the world have disappeared due to overfishing (the closest example is the apollo, the most beautiful butterfly of European Russia, which was found in the Moscow region only in the aforementioned Prioksko-Terrasny Reserve and was exterminated by collectors). Especially severe damage has been done to the foothills of the Himalayas, where many species cling to life in one or two islands of surviving forest among fields and pastures. A team of hunters armed with a special lamp can exterminate this species in one season. In the Pokhara Nature Reserve in Nepal, which was chosen by Russian "entomologists" several years ago, all the large moths disappeared, followed by many birds, bats and small mammals that fed on butterflies and caterpillars, as well as many plants that were pollinated by these butterflies. Now Pokhara is a dying forest, in which the ecological balance is irreversibly disturbed, and this was the only piece of wildlife in a three-hundred-kilometer stretch of the Himalayas.
But it's not just that. The line between a professional scientist and an amateur collector in entomology is blurry. Often, a collector who collects butterflies of some poorly studied group in his spare time understands them better than any professional. The higher the responsibility of amateurs for the object of their research. Because there is no one to protect these butterflies, except for people who have devoted their lives to studying them. Because a scientist, whether professional or amateur, who violates environmental laws and lives on the proceeds of illegal business, is no better than a doctor who secretly cuts out patients 'kidneys and sells them on the" black market " of donor organs, or a policeman who goes on robberies at night. Nature protection is not just about hanging birdhouses, as many people imagine. This is a hard, exhausting war with human inertia and greed, which is not complete without losses on both sides. As in any war, it has its heroes and its victims. As well as their traitors."
The author of this work, which has been hanging out on the Internet for 10 years, is Vladimir Dinets, who emigrated to America and calls our homeland a "scoop". He even has a page where he volunteers to help escape from this Scoop.
Explanation: Vladimir Dinets is the son of L. V. Kaabak, who is well known for giving lists of amateur entomologists to the environmental authorities of Tajikistan in exchange for his own permission to collect"rare" Parnassius in the Pamir Mountains. Vladimir Dinetz himself traveled around Europe and sold the material collected with his father. I was told about this by the Germans to whom he addressed. The time will come for Dinetz to "check" them... if he talks about traitors, then that's what he is...
Does this remind you of anyone?
Sincerely to Forumchanam Viktor Sinyaev

This post was edited by Viktor Sinyaev - 30.03.2011 05: 55

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Does this remind you of anyone?

Of course it does.

It looks like an extremely clumsy and rude provocation. Keep it up - I have enough popcorn for the whole day

After all, the topic is called "fishing reports".

Or maybe put the flood in a separate topic? Fans of self-affirmation will be able to eat popcorn there to their heart's content.

After all, the topic is called "fishing reports".

Or maybe put the flood in a separate topic? Fans of self-affirmation will be able to eat popcorn there to their heart's content.

I've already suggested it. moderators do nothing
about asserting themselves - this is not the right place.

Let's really stop this discussion. Still, it is unlikely that anyone will change their point of view on this issue (especially since the respected Stanislav himself claims that the subject of discussion is not arthropods).
Instead of flood, I suggest you ask Viktor Vasilyevich to post some more interesting reports about his expeditions. For example, I would really like to see a photo from Iran.

This post was edited by chebur - 30.03.2011 11: 06

In the Pokhara Nature Reserve in Nepal, which was chosen by Russian "entomologists" several years ago, all the large moths disappeared, followed by many birds, bats and small mammals that fed on butterflies and caterpillars, as well as many plants that were pollinated by these butterflies. Now Pokhara is a dying forest, in which the ecological balance is irreversibly disturbed, and this was the only piece of wildlife in a three-hundred-kilometer stretch of the Himalayas.

Presumably, the author(Vladimir Dinetz) also blames the entomologists who caught butterflies there for the forest's death... Or the logic of cause-and-effect relationships is not all right with him, or here is a vivid illustration of the science fiction film "And the thunder broke", and the effect did not manifest itself after millions of years, but immediately. Even after the barbaric spraying of the forest with some "dust", there is not such a strong effect as from catching shovels, hawkmoth and peacock eyes... Damn, I'm shocked !

I remember from the "Caucasian Captive"
- And then on the ruins of the chapel....
- Excuse me, but I also destroyed the chapel?
- No, it was done before you

I support the request to move the flood to another branch, including mine.

This post was edited by Seneka - 30.03.2011 11: 51

I stopped it unilaterally. But I will respond to attacks like the one that Mr. Sinyaev allowed himself above in a similar way. with antique photos

But still, it's a pity that nature was exhausted. But, we live in a golden time. And so I want someone to visit and tell in the fishing reports about such interesting places as: the Amazon jungle, the Congolese swamp or the Hindu Kush spurs.

Almost a fishing report.
Perhaps Mr. Dinetz wrote about Nagarjun for those who don't want to go there. Exciting and havayushchy such a yellowish bait do not care where this Nagarjun, butterflies from Nagarjun also do not care. They don't care about the rhinoceros in Chitwan.
Nagarjun stands out as a beautiful dark green mountain in the middle of the Kathmandu Valley. A real decoration of the Nepalese capital. Protected this park is very well, threatened butterflies and moths can be calm. According to the guide "Lonely planet", there were shot dead two Austrian tourists who made their way to the then Royal National Park. Almost from a machine gun.
Question: who saw" few " butterflies there? Are there really few of them? Even in the center of Kathmandu fly memnons, agamemnons, polites. There are even quite a few of them.
Troides are not something special there. This is a commonplace, like our, say, Limenitis populi.
And if someone who thought that entomologists mowed down everything there did not succeed with catching the light, then this is influenced by a lot of factors discussed here in the relevant topic. As one movie says: "There is a fish. You need to be able to catch."
Not to see the butterflies there can only be afraid of leeches, which there are even more in season.

But entomologists will be extreme. They also caught Nagarjun's news and brought down the forest. They also floated Apollo in the PTZ, and then they plowed the field, so that no one, no one, would get a damn after them.
I don't know how anyone did it, but it seemed to me that there were a lot of insects there. All sorts of things. From Periplaneta to Troides.

Good evening friends. We all do the same thing, and we all love it (entomology). I'm a new member on the forum, but I've already settled in a bit, and I would like to suggest that we all be more reserved and treat each other more friendly (although we communicate virtually). This will allow you to maintain your health and find pleasant words and emotions on the forum pages. Who knows, we might have to meet face-to-face somewhere? And God grant that we don't have to regret what was said in our hearts. And, if someone does not like this or that message, then you can send a message to the personal account, and not breed a bodyguard for the whole country. I propose to live by the Musketeer rules: all for one end one for all.After all, even the cardinal disliked but respected blue uniforms.

Good evening friends. We all do the same thing, and we all love it (entomology). I'm a new member on the forum, but I've already settled in a bit, and I would like to suggest that we all be more reserved and treat each other more friendly (although we communicate virtually). This will allow you to maintain your health and find pleasant words and emotions on the forum pages. Who knows, we might have to meet face-to-face somewhere? And God grant that we don't have to regret what was said in our hearts. And, if someone does not like this or that message, then you can send a message to the personal account, and not breed a bodyguard for the whole country. I propose to live by the Musketeer rules: all for one end one for all.After all, even the cardinal disliked but respected blue uniforms.

Then it's like this: "all for one, one for all".
And the end there is completely niprichem

Yes, the number is amazing. That's what hard work means, you can see everything non-stop from the Moril screen, and even in the daytime... I don't understand why non-commerce needs such a large amount of fees. And they say collectors have little influence on the population size. In Primorye, too, there are collectors (although they are certainly pure merchants), 100 pairs of Maui are destroyed at one station, and the next year you can only accidentally meet one parnassus and that's it.

Such "collectors" can be found not only in Primorye, but everywhere where interesting species live and where these zunder commandos can reach. Mow and crush everything in a row, including flying and torn females, and then in the" prices "of dealers they are under the code "C2". Bastards...

This post was edited by Stapleton - 08/15/2011 14: 09

Well, letannye and torn females already have a 95% chance of laying eggs - that's why letannye, because they flew and lived.

Well, flown and torn females already have a 95% chance of laying eggs - that's why flown because they flew and lived.

I agree, Bad Den, but by "torn" I meant fresh butterflies affected, say, by birds.

I followed the links and did not see, even crack, a large amount of fees. I still don't understand what the generally very righteous anger of my comrades refers to in this particular case. M. B., behind the stunted, sometimes half-filled mattresses, there are whole suitcases hidden that didn't get into the frame, just someone guessed it, but I didn't? I would, on the contrary, ask, having stopped laughing: did you guys catch fish there at all, or did you just go all the way to spend time?

This year, the gas pipeline is being pulled across Primorye. Clearings of a hundred-meter width all over the taiga along and across...
Where are you pseudo-defenders of nature! There are so many insects dead that all the "merchants" of the world can not catch.
Stop talking nonsense.

I'm not talking about roads, but about HUNDRED-METER-long glades where ALL vegetation and fertile horizon, including bedding, have been destroyed.
And you probably include Rosalia and callipogon among the "barbel-type pests". How many brood trees did you see under the knife on the Blue Ridge? And on the Eastern blue? What about Przewalski?

This year, the gas pipeline is being pulled across Primorye. Clearings of a hundred-meter width all over the taiga along and across...
Where are you pseudo-defenders of nature! There are so many insects dead that all the "merchants" of the world can not catch.
Stop talking nonsense.

What are you talking about? Commerce easily completely destroys the station of the same Maui, having lived on it for a couple of weeks and catching all the newly hatched individuals. Especially if it is Parnassus, which flyers are so-so and do not fly much from the station. But the gas pipeline, as a rule, is not pulled along the mountains, and if it is pulled, it is unlikely that the entire station will be demolished. But in a few years on the gas pipeline glade will be expanse collector.

Now that's really funny...

What the hell. Korb put his mattresses on display. This thread allows people to post their own material, and not discuss pseudo-environmental issues. If he caught a lot of fish-he killed something in the sands of Sary-Ishikotrau-you are welcome-let's go to the 45-degree heat - in May after the Moscow frosts... If a person goes to a normal place, he catches there, and does not engage in nonsense. If it is a merchant, if it is an employee of ZINA who knows how to catch-he will catch a lot and well. Why this absurd discussion after a person put up 3 dozen of their mattresses for viewing by colleagues? Don't mess up the place.

here in the Moscow region, everyone was filled with fishing reports - photos of hundreds of banal species - a person put up normal material and that was picked up. What you didn't like about Korb's post. That there is no urticaria photographed? Stas-put out your mattresses and don't pay attention.

well here. you can't look at a whole pile of mattresses now.
ehxx

Okay, I deleted my fucking post about exchanges. I will only change with those with whom I have changed before. gl

Off topic, but I'll write it anyway.
Stas, don't be offended. Initially, I was really impressed by your hard work (I collect a "small gray mass" on the screen myself, so I can only envy your perseverance). I still really didn't understand why so much material (not rare) of one kind, especially knowing your "love" for merchants and guessing that this is not for sale. Mattresses, of course, did not need to be removed, by the way, there are also very interesting butterflies, of course there are very few of them, you can feel that those with whom you usually change have already cleaned everything .
By the way, Sanya (Nikosander) speaks very well about you, and where else can you see the true face of a person, if not on a heavy expedition through the mountains.

This post was edited by sdi-08/15/2011 19: 35

Karl stole the corals from Klara, and Stas removed the mattress with a shake...

Stanislav, again you were too hasty with the demolition of your own. It is necessary to give the comrades time for the primary pobranki and for a successful oklem. No need to be hastily indignant about other people's hasty indignation. Less serious! You can demolish your own at the earliest in a day, or even better in two days, when some, others, and others will already have time to speak out; and in a day, maybe you will not need to demolish your own, but others will want to demolish their posts and flowers. So I fully support Yakovlev's rather ambiguous call: "Stas-put out your mattresses." Only better in the standard way, on the forum server, with at least some thumbnails, then people will not immediately panic at the sight of a kilometer-long list of mattresses, but will immediately see how many insects there are and how much cotton wool. After all, most of the mattresses that are presented to us on the forum - especially beetles-are much thicker filled with material, this has already been said here.

Blah, it's just TIN
FAUNA OF THE HIGHER NIGHT CHESHUECRYLYH
OF NATIONAL PARK «BOTTOM KAMA»
© 2009 D.V. Zhukov
The list of 110 kinds in night cheshuecrylyh of national park «Bottom Kama»
is resulted
Key words: night cheshuecrylye, national park «Bottom Kama

Okay, let's leave out the grammar , but what's the vocabulary?

Otake's superbrain

I skimmed the topic:I was shocked by the level of discussion on the topic of Vodianov and Dubrovsky on the part of the Venerable Lavr..I won't say anything about Dubrovsky-I don't know..But about Vodianov to say - "the most shameful swindler and charlatan.".However.
Even about twelve years ago, I remember him as an enthusiastic, academic boy, who was in personal correspondence with Korshunov. Yu. P. The most flattering characteristics from Sviridov, Antonova..From your attacks breathes personal failure and complexes..
Vodianov is a clever girl,and I wish you the same..And besides-the bazaar filters.In any case,I have never heard him speak about colleagues, even with a controversial reputation, in this way(since he is a professional).

I skimmed the topic:I was shocked by the level of discussion on the topic of Vodianov and Dubrovsky on the part of the Venerable Lavr..I won't say anything about Dubrovsky-I don't know..But about Vodianov to say - "the most shameful swindler and charlatan.".However.
Even about twelve years ago, I remember him as an enthusiastic, academic boy, who was in personal correspondence with Korshunov. Yu. P. The most flattering characteristics from Sviridov, Antonova..From your attacks breathes personal failure and complexes..
Vodianov is a clever girl,and I wish you the same..And besides-the bazaar filters.In any case,I have never heard him speak about colleagues, even with a controversial reputation, in this way(since he is a professional).

Dear Choiskat, you are probably an honest truth-loving person, I don't know. I'll explain why. Recently, Wasserman, on Channel 5, spoke about his blog in LiveJournal. The bottom line is something like this: anonymous people and people without a face interfere with communication. You have nothing about you in the personal account, i.e. empty. Is "Choiskat" a brand of coffee or beer? Don't be offended. It is not interesting to communicate with the shadow!
It seems like a good thing-they defended the good name of one person. On the other hand, why is Lavr Valeryevich "personally untenable"? If he is already insolvent, then who the hell is wealthy? I get lost in the examples.

Wealthy - Abramovich

You just don't need to get personal, especially when the "accused" don't read it. To accuse colleagues of plagiarism and scientific dishonesty, you need to write reviews in scientific journals, and not disclose it on forums.

.. In any case,I have never heard him speak about colleagues, even with a controversial reputation, in this way (since he is a professional).

- our dear ANONYMOUS user, unlike " pros..." We know Lavr Vodiany not by hearsay , but by a HUGE number of SCIENTIFIC publications, assistance to novice lepidopterists, editing an independent entomological journal, and real PROFESSIONALISM in the field of entomological research, and much more. Undoubtedly, the conclusion of professional qualities. Vodianova came from an analysis of his scientific publications and his contribution to the study of lepidoptera of the Russian Federation.

 
To accuse colleagues of plagiarism and scientific dishonesty, you need to write reviews in scientific journals, and not disclose it on forums.

Reviews seem to be available too: http://eversmannia.entomology.ru/eversmannia_05_47.pdf

Yes, I already realized that there are no authorities for your venerable "coryphaeus of entomological sciences"..Everyone got both the rascals Vodianov and Dubrovsky and the" riveter of incompetent dissertators " Negrobov..Yes but here's the catch:all these people are settled down in the departments, and our luminary is a kind of dissident from entomology..This super-professional is the editor of an independent entomological journal (samizdat or something?)doctor of Science?a candidate? Well, yes, I already understood-it's not a royal business to drop "dissertations "-it's better to write in "independent magazines", teach "novice lepidopterologists" (to assert themselves!), and others who sat down and wrote, shit, water..
As for the miscalculations in the work..everyone has them.At one time, the great Aristotle did not see 6 legs of a fly-he described 4.
And yet(I didn't want to-but I got sick of it) our coryphaeus also got a pretty good one at the time,I think..Wasn't it he who made a fantastic discovery in Penza-he found a" death's head"?

And yet(I didn't want to-but I got sick of it) our coryphaeus also got a pretty good one at the time,I think..Wasn't it he who made a fantastic discovery in Penza-he found a" death's head"?

- Wow, as our neophytes say. And who exactly am I talking to and WHO exactly is this pebble thrown at by YOU? Something very familiar dirty topic came up. You'll have to ask someone about someone about someone.
I will explain to the distinguished collection-I once in the middle of May (also I'm a damn expert - this species does not overwinter), our collectors at the university in the corridor on the window threw a live hawk moth "death's head". Naturally, I immediately realized that this was a banal joke of collectors (by chance, you didn't sell them pupae?)...
And I found death's head hawks in the Penza Region much earlier than that incident and even shot a story with this butterfly (August - a caterpillar was found on potatoes and a butterfly was bred accordingly from it). And in general, WHAT kind of DISCOVERY exactly are YOU here to hang LOPUSHKI on our ears ANONYMOUS ??? Here are two publications about hawkmoth of the Penza region and note that there is a mention of a dead head and there is not a word about the SENSATIONALISM of the find:

Polumordvinov O. A., Stoiko T. G., 1999. Materials on the fauna of the family Sphingidae of the Penza region / / Mat. of the International Scientific Conference "Study and protection of biological diversity of natural landscapes of the Russian Plain". - Penza, p. 257-258
Polumordvinov O. A., Monakhov E. M., 2001. Rare species of hawk moth (Lepidoptera, Sphingidae) of the Penza region // FIELD. Popular Science environmental Bulletin. PSPU named after V. G. Belinsky. Issue 4. Penza: PSPU, pp. 15-19.

People like you are just so fucked up here periodically come out of oblivion.

This post was edited by Penzyak - 03/29/2012 12: 22

  
You just don't need to get personal, especially when the "accused" don't read it. To accuse colleagues of plagiarism and scientific dishonesty, you need to write reviews in scientific journals, and not disclose it on forums.

I absolutely agree. Call the accused to the forum (one of them has an account), and go ahead. Readers will compare their opinions and find out for themselves who is right.

I absolutely agree. Call the accused to the forum (one of them has an account), and go ahead. Readers will compare their opinions and find out for themselves who is right.

No popcorn is enough. Can we go straight to fist fights?

fist fights-yes )))

What a blessing that I have nothing to do with butterflies and beetles
Almost all squabbles between entomologists occur between lovers (in a broad sense) of these insects.

A lot has already been written about degrees. It's not about degrees, it's about specific people. And a very important element is basic human decency. And then sometimes you get such requests in the mail, as if you are the last vassal of this petitioner, really. Drop everything and look for the right job or copy, but hurry up.

Again I urge you not to get personal and not to make generalizations based on your not very long experience regarding the entire company

Anonymous users are a force.
Official science is full of arrogance, greed, dogma, Guruism, and IBD.
The fusion of commerce and science gave rise to heterosis, which brought the voiced qualities to a new, cosmic level. So then )))

PS
Dissertation defense in the near future

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEkSSRy8irc