About tropics, merchants, and personal preferences

Already, it seems on this branch have reached!
I'm not even going to argue with you! It's still useless! If you and Korb are convinced of something, that's your right. I respect your right and opinion, it has the right to exist. And I have as much right to irony as you do to the label "speculation". You're an idealist, and that seems fine. I also want socialism with a human face. But, alas, I can not offer it....
Therefore, at the moment I go to speculators for beer.
As for the price, you can buy this butterfly cheaper than avtokrator, and many SPECIALISTS in this group generally received davydovi in their collections as a gift. Like that. Well, if you only distinguish between ornithopterans and Parnassians, and all Parnassians are the same for you in the mountains of Kyrgyzstan, then sorry, you only heard about zoogeography (sorry, but you yourself give reason for irony).
About the story. If you want, refer to the original source. Many people on the forum have heard it. I'm not going to play with a broken phone, but I'm giving you a specific address: contact Churkin, and if he thinks it's possible, he will tell you everything, and even draw it. Yes, there is another way - read carefully the article with the description, it explains quite a lot. Well, Churkin has the clarifications and lyrics .
For this I take my leave.

Well, if you only distinguish between ornithopterans and Parnassians, and all Parnassians are the same for you in the mountains of Kyrgyzstan, then sorry, you only heard about zoogeography (sorry, but you yourself give reason for irony).

I had to list everyone who can and can't be caught in Kyrgyzstan with subspecies to become a professor of zoogeography???

IMHO, the flame is bred from scratch.
After all, a paratype is a thing that doesn't commit to anything at all

There are no professors of zoogeography
, although there are those who can be given this title even without a VAK - these are those who themselves have passed hundreds and thousands of km along the unknown paths of Asia or the South. America. They've seen landscapes, and they know their group and a number of loved ones. A combination of office nerd and field Rimbaud.
Don't argue - there's so much more you can do

Yes, it's not about parnassus, and we both understand that. The fact is that I want everyone to get along peacefully. After all, a lot of people, having earned a penny, having sold some of their material, immediately buy a ticket to some remote corner to eat disposable soups for a month, catching some staphylin. And what are they to blame for? Just that their home country has brought them to such disgrace and poverty? Moreover, they became speculators. It's just a shame. Every time they are mixed up with mud, while seeing only money-money-money. And no one wants to know the truth? Where is this money? Have you seen them? What kind of money is this? What are they spent on? Isn't that what their native country owes them for their hard work? People cling to life as best they can. And they are beaten on the hands and head. On the one hand, the state, which does not know the word "entomology" at all, on the other hand, fighters for the purity of the ranks. It's a shame and a shame. That's all.
In any case, be healthy, even though I don't share your views

The worst part is a huge collection of butterflies from Western China-eaten by skin-eaters in a Siberian city. And what we see in Paris is at least an example of how to treat the material. Excellent exposure.
If this is the way to treat merchants and buyers-let's delete from the history of lepidopterology Shelyuzhko, Rothschild, Witt, Staudinger, Ruckbeil, Alferaki, Groom... Butterflies cost money. We did not invent this and it is not for us or you to judge those who buy and sell butterflies.

Most entomologists now, including professionals (inveterate), seeing this would think-a fly badge, but why don't we have such a thing in the museum, why do I have such antics? why there is no such and such book.
And only good Russians say-Bitches, hucksters.
Aren't you ashamed?
If someone is very rich-so buy morfid in the exhibition ZINA and at least one sensible boy will add to our ranks, seeing these amazing butterflies.

Today we discussed with a colleague who has been in good places from Kugitang to the Congo-we talked about how a good catcher will always have money, will always have a good income-because we are professional specialists (meaning not only those who sit in their bad chair at work, but also those who were not in one of the top ten trips) now more than those who risk catching beautiful material.
I will say that many of my colleagues in Barnaul and Novosibirsk are ready to buy material for SCIENCE. Not for the collection, but to break off bellies, cook genitals, write articles.
This is not so expensive, by the way, if you do not engage in parnassus. And they are not the most promising topic.

By the way. This summer I participated in the purchase (we were discounted) of very interesting animals. Unfortunately, they flew by, moreover, "got", I apologize for Newspeak, for money. But I didn't hate the "cursed merchants" at all.

Most entomologists now, including professionals (inveterate), seeing this would think-a fly badge, but why don't we have such a thing in the museum, why do I have such antics? why there is no such and such book.
And only good Russians say-Bitches, hucksters.
Aren't you ashamed?
If someone is very rich-so buy morfid in the exhibition ZINA and at least one sensible boy will add to our ranks, seeing these amazing butterflies.

Roma, the prosecutor will add to you. You mean the boy will join our ranks.

I hope to buy for myself, my work, but also for the ZINA collection at the same time.

You know what's fun!

There were 2 ordinary events - pleasant, but not very stunning-Moscow and Paris bursa. Normal phenomena. Famous Parisian and new Moscow, which, I hope, will surpass Paris.

And what.

Discussions - how much does davydovi cost, why, how much does this and that cost... how did this happen? What kind of horror? You think that's what they do in Paris. They are now putting the material in boxes-they are investigating, determining the purchased copies. And we all talk about it, whether it's good or bad.

It's kind of disgusting.

You know what's fun!

There were 2 ordinary events - pleasant, but not very stunning-Moscow and Paris bursa. Normal phenomena. Famous Parisian and new Moscow, which, I hope, will surpass Paris.

And what.

Discussions - how much does davydovi cost, why, how much does this and that cost... how did this happen? What kind of horror? You think that's what they do in Paris. They are now putting the material in boxes-they are investigating, determining the purchased copies. And we all talk about it, whether it's good or bad.

It's kind of disgusting.

The ethics of buying and selling insects are also being discussed in Europe. Stupidity, hypocrisy and hypocrisy abound.

By the way. This summer I participated in the purchase (we were discounted) of very interesting animals. Unfortunately, they flew by, moreover, "got", I apologize for Newspeak, for money. But I didn't hate the "cursed merchants" at all.

Everything is ahead, it will appear.
My experience of dealing with merchants is very negative. They contacted me themselves, offered to view the material, identify it, and write articles. They said, you're a scientist, how can you miss this? However, there is one small but, after all, all the processed material, including the holotypes, will be "stored" with them, because this is their private property, right? I was young and naive then, but people suggested that I would never see him again and no one would. It turns out that there is a special trade in exclusive types. Just an instance of 5-10 euro type-100-200 euro and above.

Which group is it in?
In general, such a business is a bad practice - find such five scientists and go ahead... It seems to me that this is very rare!

You were offended by one, and now you hate the whole world for it. Is it right to judge everyone one by one? We would have agreed on the terms right away, for that matter. You never know what mistakes you didn't make in your youth, and what is now hatred for life?

To be honest, I see the price tag next to an insect (no matter what, any), and something in my soul is not good, by God, I hate it. I can't help it, I'm sorry.

But on the contrary, I was presented with interesting material and, you won't believe it, for free.

You know, there are some very inveterate traders who consider their business very strictly (I think this is correct) - they give me and many of my friends material and give it for processing.
I'll tell you a cautionary tale. Pyotr Ustyuzhanin, a very close friend of mine, a specialist in finger flies, once asked for all my contacts. Or I advised him to write to everyone with a request to catch fingerfishes for exchange to all my exchange comrades, etc. Peter wrote to everyone except Churkin and Ivy. I was even afraid to write-well, they're so cool, but they don't give a fuck about finger-wings. It's funny that when Peter dared and wrote - it was these two wonderful specialists who caught him a mountain of great material and as a gift, just like that or in a very easy exchange.
Honor to them and praise.
About your group - one genus and a new species in honor of Ivy, two species in honor of Churkin, one in honor of Ivy from Madagascar is being prepared for description. I don't remember getting much poorer after these deals
from the bottom of my heart, success, to all who are at sea...

Which group is it in?
In general, such a business is a bad practice - find such five scientists and go ahead... It seems to me that this is very rare!

It was with yantars.

To be honest, I see the price tag next to an insect (no matter what, any), and something in my soul is not good, by God, I hate it. I can't help it, I'm sorry.

And today I went to one place-there is a bottle of Croatian slivovitsa (only barko will understand what's going on) - 800 rubles. Such, you know, melancholy seized. I couldn't help it. Two-thirds of the insects that are in museums around the world are sold and bought. It can't be helped.

It was with the yantars.

Inclusions are a strong thing! I think this is cooler than any davydovs. For my taste, of course.

Over the past week, I've learned that I'm not an entomologist (I don't know zoogeography, I haven't written any articles, I haven't caught any new species, and my education and place of work aren't even from that opera). I will wait for the forum just for collectors. Boring and sad.
Thank you all.

Dmitry, do you have any nerves on the Middle Volga today? What's the big deal?

  
This is not so expensive, by the way, if you do not engage in parnassus.

OK, even interesting. How much will Chymenoptera parasitica varia cost from sellers? Let's say alcohol collections from Malaise traps? Out of the corner of my ear, I heard that any unsorted change costs 10 cents. Microchymenoptera are sometimes caught in the thousands per day.

This post was edited by Proctos - 28.09.2010 00: 34

Inclusions are a strong thing! I think this is cooler than any davydovs. For my taste, of course.

The usual price of small inclusions (such as mosquitoes) without definition is $ 10 at retail. Sorted to a family of about $ 20.

And two-thirds of the insects that are in museums around the world are sold and bought. It can't be helped.

More than a third of the insects in the world's museums are non-profit groups, either captured by generations of employees or donated to the museum.

Let's move the flood from this topic to our "flood cabinet" about preferences, tropics and merchants, and here we will ask Pavel to post more photos, they really like them. I don't know, how can such photos cause negative emotions? If only someone is jealous, probably.

And if it is expensive-bargain!
And, as the hippo cat said, "entomologists will always agree"

funny.
assessment of what is happening-paranoia in many
sorry to write a lot I can not-the last 2 weeks there is no time even to devour.

Over the past week, I've learned that I'm not an entomologist (I don't know zoogeography, I haven't written any articles, I haven't caught any new species, and my education and place of work aren't even from that opera). I will wait for the forum just for collectors. Boring and sad.
Thank you all.

Don't pay any attention.

I am periodically hinted that anyone who has less than 10 publications a year and 100 new taxa is a bum. I exaggerate, of course, but not much.

Yes it turns out for everyone in different ways

Hell, I don't have a plan like that.Oleg write a pliz in PM. hutt://butterfly-gundorov.com

Books I want to buy Oleg -- skin price

By the way. This summer I participated in the purchase (we were discounted) of very interesting animals. Unfortunately, they flew by, moreover, "got", I apologize for Newspeak, for money. But I didn't hate the "cursed merchants" at all.

Leonid, if it's not a secret, what did you want to buy and from whom?

Bought live (in ooteks) Metallyticus sp. Due to inconsistencies and misunderstandings (perhaps the seller himself did not know for sure - after all, the animals are exotic), we incorrectly calculated the time of larvae release. The larvae came out "at the wrong time" and died safely, alas.

Everything is ahead, it will appear.
My experience of dealing with merchants is very negative.

My experience with selling material is rather positive. Not because of the fact that all white and fluffy, by no means, came across and come across real ghouls and just banal "scammers". It's just that before I decided to buy something for the first time, I read the profile forums for a long time (the same actias), developed a behavior strategy and tried to specify all the conditions as fully and clearly as possible. (UPD-now I came up with the idea that I was less responsible when buying cars )
Again, there are merchants and "merchants". For the former, this is a business, the latter sell, for example, material from" not their own " groups collected during the expedition in order to partially recoup the costs of it (f. e. the late Werner).

Ladushki. Let's take a look at this.
If you are wondering how much the average entomologist can hoot, it depends on the availability of the material you are looking for and the availability of the appropriate amount of money. Isn't it? Whether the prices are high or low, it doesn't matter, entomologists will agree, as Vlad noted. Damn, but still relatively, the average amount of costs will be incorrect. Someone, maybe, bought titans, and someone-humpbacks. Have you decided to take up statistics? Will the result be reliable? No!
And yet, in order to find out this average amount of money spent, it will be necessary to analyze not one, but at least several such bursas. Then the trends will be noticeable, and some correlations will come out (you'll figure out what's wrong with what, you'll find it more interesting).
About computers, in general, an incomprehensible survey. And if I have one computer at home, another at one job, someone else's - the third, and a friend's-the fourth? So what?
Here most (rather, everyone else) just don't care how much someone spent on bursa, what kind of computer they have, what boxes and straighteners.
Don't engage in Manilovism

Ah, Humpbacks will be more interesting than Titans, who understands...

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My experience with selling material is rather positive. Not because of the fact that all white and fluffy, by no means, came across and come across real ghouls and just banal "scammers". It's just that before I decided to buy something for the first time, I read the profile forums for a long time (the same actias), developed a behavior strategy and tried to specify all the conditions as fully and clearly as possible. (UPD-now I came up with the idea that I was less responsible when buying cars )
Again, there are merchants and "merchants". For the former, this is a business, the latter sell, for example, material from" not their own " groups collected during the expedition in order to partially recoup the costs of it (f. e. the late Werner).

If you remember Karel Werner... - You Are a huge Plus! Karel was a great Guy...
"Again, there are merchants and "merchants"... I would say Who Likes "high art", and for whom money is more important than "high human feelings", friendship, etc... I mean, we've met some of them... "through the thorns to the stars"!!!

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Remember that!!! Under one of the Nicknames V. Dinets is hiding...

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