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But - not at the right address.

This was said not at your address, God forbid, but simply to the topic, under the impression of your remark, but in continuation of everything that many people have said about this in recent days and earlier. Of course, in the case described by you, the recumbent stone and all the dynamo was from the collector's side, I do not argue with this and similar facts, and I do not approve of these facts. But he also pointed out another, also deplorable, kind of facts. On the eve of our meeting, I was discussing the Tula story with one of its heroes at the congress (perhaps I told you later). There, as you can imagine, the conversation was conducted on a much more tragic note, but just about the opposite situation, about such "specialists" who are ready to publish a hundred volumes, without feeling the need for real material on their own chosen group. Therefore, I am against such "specialists", which my friend from Tula told me about, and just as much against such collectors, the example of which you gave.

Unidentified objects often praise "garbage", because they understand that they are "unpunished"... Then it becomes meanness Vladimir Dinets do not know? I started out as an anonymous person until I was pinned down, so to be logical, I became even more of a bastard (Type on the Internet: "shadows around the lamp"). Here, so that this does not happen and you need to know who you are communicating with...
And if you need "chatter", create a separate section...
I want to watch and read what is reasonable and relevant to the stated topic, and not what books someone read as a child.
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Unidentified objects often praise "garbage", because they understand that they are "unpunished"... Then it becomes meanness Vladimir Dinets do not know? I started out as an anonymous person until I was pinned down, so to be logical, I became even more of a bastard (Type on the Internet: "shadows around the lamp"). Here, so that this does not happen and you need to know who you are communicating with...
And if you need "chatter", create a separate section...
I want to watch and read what is reasonable and relevant to the stated topic, and not what books someone read as a child.
Please Your Friends with Your findings, thoughts on how to make our Business unifying and bringing joy to communication...

If you don't like it, don't get involved. You see, you won't have to be indignant.

May the moderator save us from the provocateur under the nickname Dragonsbane. Amen.

If you don't like it, don't get involved. You see, you won't have to be indignant.

So much for the use of a real name, by the way! We know Viktor, so we will not like this treatment in any situation, and this may affect the subsequent prejudice against your posts. There have already been cases when people who are very capable and very mature formulated their ideas so internetist that the participants stopped communicating with them - and the forum, as you said, is a place of communication - and Nick slowly left the stage along with the owner who was never declassified... Even like-minded people were uncomfortable supporting such a nickname, that's how it used to be. I am far from immediately attributing any nightmarish intentions or vices to you personally, and I consider the current situation to be a common technical difficulty of the debut, which will eventually be erased from all of us when we move on to a normal conversation. Of course, this is not only up to you, but you will also show restraint, at least in the first days of contacts, and then everything will be fine.

To Viktor: it would be fine, but the forum rules don't require a real name for today, and we can't demand it either; and if this requirement appeared in the rules, of course, normal people would only be for it. But this requirement is not common even for scientific forums. Although it would be much easier and much more human to communicate. Then the nickname would serve only for the brevity of the address, and for single replicas of Stirlitz, there is always the possibility of guest messages without registration. But keep in mind that even then the subtitle of this topic would not disappear (it is historically not accidental), which is periodically updated with parasitic digressions from more meaningful topics. This topic is forgiven a lot that would not be forgiven, say, neither boxes nor genitals.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 24.09.2010 23: 11

Who and what am I provoking? If I'm not interested in something, I don't read it. Accordingly, I have no opinion about this and will not impose it on anyone. Well, Sinyaev does not like this discussion - so it is not worth participating in it. I don't think I said anything offensive to him.

Well, it was not necessary to start communicating on the forum in this form. Like, you're a condome, and you're a condome, and I'm the Vicomte De Bragelonne!
We have already written about breeding May beetles, and about the elite miracle-rasp. Now someone is trying to find out what computers we work on, what money we spend.
Well, to demand the continuation of holivar is no good at all. If you were so belligerent, if you were still at the congress, why didn't you say anything? Was it too weak to shout to the whole audience what they thought about P. davydovi?

No, we will be at home at the computer to show off. It's safer that way.

Well, it was not necessary to start communicating on the forum in this form. Like, you're a condome, and you're a condome, and I'm the Vicomte De Bragelonne!
We have already written about breeding May beetles, and about the elite miracle-rasp. Now someone is trying to find out what computers we work on, what money we spend.
Well, to demand the continuation of holivar is no good at all. If you were so belligerent, if you were still at the congress, why didn't you say anything? Was it too weak to shout to the whole audience what they thought about P. davydovi?

No, we will be at home at the computer to show off. It's safer that way.

Yes, I was not on your bursa, calm down already. Breeding may beetles are fun. And there are no more elite balsa straighteners. I'm not interested in what kind of money you spend. I wonder how much the average Russian entomologist can spend on an average purchase of material at a time. As for computers, they reflect the level of nanotechnical (I'll be sarcastic, I'm sorry) support for the same entomologists, and this is also interesting. I don't have to ask what pins people mostly use, do I?

If I provoke you with something - well, pass by, perekipite aside, and come back with a calm head. Maybe you won't have to write anything

"Don't get involved" is already a friendlier phrase than "don't get involved", and perception also depends on the wording.

In general, I personally am inclined to endure the period of lapping together with all its anonymity, and I suggest to my comrades: where are we in a hurry? Maybe later it will turn out (how many times this has happened) that we needn't jump into each other's throats? In the end, even anonymity is not brought to us by a new member, it is not yet prohibited by the rules of our own monastery. Now the best thing is to relax and smoke before a specific item for discussion (except for individuals) appears. If you don't like surveys, it's also "not worth participating in." I don't see the point in them, so I didn't participate. But I don't intend to swear about it either. Surveys do not contradict the forum rules. And all the negativity and fludyaga on both sides is basically a lump of twisted emotions, I say this with all due respect to my colleagues.

I use exclusively gold-plated pins with diamond heads. This is very practical - they do not give in to corrosion and look very good.

Is this the Khimki zoo processing plant, or what? Photo - to the studio...

Yes, I was not on your bursa, calm down already. Breeding may beetles are fun. And there are no more elite balsa straighteners. I'm not interested in what kind of money you spend. I wonder how much the average Russian entomologist can spend on an average purchase of material at a time. As for computers, they reflect the level of nanotechnical (I'll be sarcastic, I'm sorry) support for the same entomologists, and this is also interesting. I don't have to ask what pins people mostly use, do I?

If I provoke you with something - well, pass by, perekipite aside, and come back with a calm head. Maybe you won't have to write anything

Ladushki. Let's take a look at this.
If you are wondering how much the average entomologist can hoot, it depends on the availability of the material you are looking for and the availability of the appropriate amount of money. Isn't it? Whether the prices are high or low, it doesn't matter, entomologists will agree, as Vlad noted. Damn, but still relatively, the average amount of costs will be incorrect. Someone, maybe, bought titans, and someone-humpbacks. Have you decided to take up statistics? Will the result be reliable? No!
And yet, in order to find out this average amount of money spent, it will be necessary to analyze not one, but at least several such bursas. Then the trends will be noticeable, and some correlations will come out (you'll figure out what's wrong with what, you'll find it more interesting).
About computers, in general, an incomprehensible survey. And if I have one computer at home, another at one job, someone else's - the third, and a friend's-the fourth? So what?
Here most (rather, everyone else) just don't care how much someone spent on bursa, what kind of computer they have, what boxes and straighteners.
Don't engage in manilovism

No, I can't - I'm at work right now. And then, if someone else wants more, my collection will lose a lot of its originality.

I use exclusively gold-plated pins with diamond heads. This is very practical - they do not give in to corrosion and look very good.

Rum, how much did you get? I also do not mind a couple for some cute Tarsolepis as an accessory

Pavel, there is an extra comma in the first sentence. Without it, the question would have been right in the forehead and in the root, after such and such mistakes. And then the second phrase is useless.

About polls-absolutely true, in my opinion. Such "average costs" are informatively worthless than the notorious average temperature in a hospital; if the survey is about business, then you should just ask about the prices for specific groups and forms, because the costs are made exactly for them, and not because someone has a certain amount of money for the bursa, which must necessarily be left there and he is ready to buy anything on it. One and the same person will give a lot for one thing, another will not take it for nothing, and the third will not take it with a surcharge.
About the computer, too, an extra survey, in my opinion. I know a person who has spent his entire adult life selling very profitable material near Moscow (!), not knowing any Latin and never having a computer. Others with three computers won't be able to steal his income. The possibilities of scientific work with the material are also not directly related to the steepness of the computer, but rather a completely different equipment is more important here. The possibilities of expedition work on the computer are also not fixed, but rather you need to conduct a survey about what area someone is traveling in (including horseless ones). Or what kind of photo equipment and optics someone has, what kind of navigators and communication tools someone has, etc. Some topics have already been created; the discussion of equipment in the topic is much more informative than bald statistics. The wording of the question is, of course, a matter for the initiator; but if the public sees the question as worthless, most of them will not even answer it.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 24.09.2010 23: 53

Pasha, I was joking. It was just a really stupid survey that everyone reacted to as if it was something vital.

I gave thanks, but Pavel is not quite right about his own account. Here, I repeat, I did not notice any pure collectors among the regular participants. Collecting is collecting, but he's still an entomologist. It's not just academics who go there.

Golden words!

No.
An entomologist is someone who publishes articles on entomology. Because the only criterion that matters here is what non-physical contribution a person left behind.

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 25.09.2010 01: 42

Well, it was not necessary to start communicating on the forum in this form. Like, you're a condome, and you're a condome, and I'm the Vicomte De Bragelonne!
We have already written about breeding May beetles, and about the elite miracle-rasp. Now someone is trying to find out what computers we work on, what money we spend.
Well, to demand the continuation of holivar is no good at all. If you were so belligerent, if you were still at the congress, why didn't you say anything? Was it too weak to shout to the whole audience what they thought about P. davydovi?

No, we will be at home at the computer to show off. It's safer that way.

Pash - let's be objective: the transition to personality was arranged by you, and then you spread Dragonsbane to rudeness.

No.
An entomologist is someone who publishes articles on entomology. Because the only criterion that matters here is what non-physical contribution a person left behind.

Opanki...
And a special (non-service) job for someone who publishes articles? I think they're both doing the same thing here. I've seen ads for specialists (since pre-revolutionary times) about collecting the material. (I don't remember, though, there are several ads for "Looking for a specialist" collectors...) I have seen articles in which those who publish thank those who provide the material. Let us at least respect their grateful attitude towards those who help them. And if one person spends his whole life defining material for another, and the other makes articles on it, the entomologist is only the second? I would have looked at those articles and that entomologist, if the first one was not an entomologist, but a gynecologist... etc.
In my opinion, the separation of science and commerce is generally accepted here, and there is no need to improve it to the point of absurdity. Still, we all understand why we should re-emphasize our own position. Big keyf to listen to objections, or what?

He was a musician, but he didn't leave notes,
He was a philosopher, but he didn't leave books,He
was a poet, but he didn't write poems... (Rostand)

Ancient science, which no one has ever denied scientific knowledge, is literally full of names of those for whom brilliant thoughts were recorded by others. And the scientists themselves might not even know their letters. I'm not even talking about the excessive narrowing of the criterion to just articles. And the abstract work? And lab plowing? And so on.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 21.03.2014 08: 15

I want to support one of the forum participants who suggested that Dragonsbane and rhopalocera.com isn't it the same thing??? This assumption is supported, for example, by the analysis of profiles under these nicknames. In your profile rhopalocera.com almost all the data that was there has been erased. And the last time under this nickname was published on September 15. And right on the same day, the nickname Dragonsbane is registered. And the style of communication in both cases is similar. If I am wrong, if someone CLEARLY, not unfounded, proves that rhopalocera.com Drag Dragonsbane, I'll apologize.

Oooooh, a witch hunt performed by ecos. Come on, prove to me that I'm not a camel.

And by the way, what annoyed you so much about this repalocera.com that you decided to add it here? Have a good conscience and give me this on three fingers.

P.S. By the way, you can also ask him himself - you can send an email to him via the forum. I'm also interested

This post was edited by Dragonsbane - 09/25/2010 13: 13

And also in favor of the assumption about the identity of the nicknames Dragonsbane and rhopalocera.com. Found the forum http://forum.lineage2.su/index.php?page=Th...&threadID=22345, where a player named Dragonsbane has a website http://www.rhopalocera.com/screens/index.html. Don't you think it's a strange coincidence??? And Dragonsbane's Skype on that besplatny_syr site is just like yours rhopalocera.com on our forum (he flashed at us). Moreover, on the game site, this person appears under two nicknames (DragonsBabay and Dragonsbane) – in both of these profiles, one ICQ number is indicated. So: DragonsBabay = Dragonsbane = rhopalocera. com (nickname) = rhopalocera. com (site) = icq number = skype number. And transferring the same nickname by one person to different forums is a very common phenomenon. Well, we won't deny it any more, did you expose it??? If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. And I have nothing against the person (or people) listed under these nicknames. It's always interesting to find out who is hiding behind the mask of anonymity!

This post was edited by Ekos - 25.09.2010 14: 12

And also in favor of the assumption about the identity of the nicknames Dragonsbane and rhopalocera.com. Found the forum http://forum.lineage2.su/index.php?page=Th...&threadID=22345, where a player named Dragonsbane has a website http://www.rhopalocera.com/screens/index.html. Don't you think it's a strange coincidence???

: D: I'm not only rhopalocera.com it turns out, but also a well-known gamer . And if we consider that the same rhopalocera.com known as a data recovery specialist, as he clearly stated himself on the same forum? Do I exist in three persons? Psychosis, explicit psychosis xD.

Ekos, you were not offered to serve in the FSB? I would like to direct your talents in the right direction...

I will reveal the terrible truth - Dragonsbane is the name of the novel by Barbara Hambley, which, as it turns out, is not only liked by me

I want to support one of the forum participants who suggested that Dragonsbane and rhopalocera.com isn't it the same thing??? This assumption is supported, for example, by the analysis of profiles under these nicknames. In your profile rhopalocera.com almost all the data that was there has been erased. And the last time under this nickname was published on September 15. And right on the same day, the nickname Dragonsbane is registered. And the style of communication in both cases is similar. If I am wrong, if someone CLEARLY, not unfounded, proves that rhopalocera.com Drag Dragonsbane, I'll apologize.

I registered on September 14. As I remember now-it was a cold September afternoon, I was pretty tired of pouring Ixodic mites into the balm, and in the process of surfing the Internet, I discovered this wonderful site. Hurrah, comrades!

: D: I'm not only rhopalocera.com it turns out, but also a well-known gamer . And if we consider that the same rhopalocera.com known as a data recovery specialist, as he clearly stated himself on the same forum? Do I exist in three persons? Psychosis, explicit psychosis xD.

Ekos, you were not offered to serve in the FSB? I would like to direct your talents in the right direction...

I will reveal the terrible truth - Dragonsbane is the name of the novel by Barbara Hambley, which, as it turns out, is not only liked by me

Unconvincing! It all fits too well

To Dragonsbane: If you had already revealed your real name, everything would have been fine, without such investigations

I recommend it at the most rhopalocera.com ask. I think there will be more accurate information from there, wm your speculation

I registered on September 14. As I remember now-it was a cold September afternoon, I was pretty tired of pouring Ixodic mites into the balm, and in the process of surfing the Internet, I discovered this wonderful site. Hurrah, comrades!

And the ixodic ticks are probably a red herring! How can you prove that you are studying them? Photo collections in the studio!

This post was edited by Ekos - 25.09.2010 13: 35

Come on, guys, stop shitting
Zhenya, we've made our list - is there anything for the summer?

To Dragonsbane: If you'd revealed your real name, everything would have been fine, without such investigations

I responded to this request in one of my surveys. Please read it.

And the ixodic ticks are probably a red herring! How can you prove that you are studying them? Photo collections in the studio!

And a list of my works, and scans of my articles. And goodbye, anonymity, about which the Bolsheviks talked so much

I recommend it at the most rhopalocera.com ask. I think there will be more accurate information from there, what are your speculations

The point of asking him is that one person can have many e-mails and nicknames from which he can answer – this way you will not find out the truth.

And you are still curious. There seems to be a serious person there-not like me, anonymous cursed

And a list of my works, and scans of my articles. And goodbye to the anonymity that the Bolsheviks talked about so much

What's so criminal about it? More people will learn about the results of your research with all the ensuing consequences (the citation index will increase, new acquaintances, collaborations will be formed, etc.). Any normal scientist strives for this!

This post was edited by Ekos - 25.09.2010 13: 43

Come on, guys, stop shitting
Zhenya, we've made our list - is there anything for the summer?

Yes, we don't seem to be fucking, Rum is just me calmly trying to establish the truth Yes, there are a few butterflies to exchange, I'll send you a list next week.

Yes, we don't seem to be fucking, Rum is just me calmly trying to establish the truth Yes, there are a few butterflies to exchange, I'll send you a list next week.

The truth is best established from primary sources.

I have seen articles in which those who publish thank those who provide the material.

Those who provide stuff are called "pickers", IMHO. Just because my friends, neighbors, and acquaintances bring me material doesn't mean they're entomologists, does it?
Another thing is that an experienced collector may know insects better than another would-be entomologist. But this does not change the essence of the definitions, in my opinion.
In my opinion, both in the matter of collecting and processing material, respect is due to the professionalism of specific people, and not to determining who is the collector and who is the entomologist.

The truth is best established from primary sources.

And if the original source, i.e. Are you absolutely unwilling to reveal the truth? They would have presented themselves long ago – and the problem that worries the entire forum would have been removed!

This post was edited by Ekos - 25.09.2010 13: 56

Well, the man in the iron mask doesn't want to take it off, so be it, if it makes him feel good. Everyone around him jumps, it excites, libido is satisfied in different ways. Less attention is more useful.
We would open an akarological post here and benefit both ourselves and people. Well, or a separate topic about Russian literature. Also correct.

2Ekos

I've already closed this issue once.

2Yakovlev
My libido is satisfied in the traditional way, don't let it bother you. What and where to open - I will ask my friends, as I was answered here once .