About tropics, merchants, and personal preferences

Yes, I took two Viktor Titovs for one. I apologize to them for that.

Just think, I took two for one. But when it's the other way around, it's worse than ever. When I saw "Viktor Titov" above the story, I thought: that's all, it's time to tie up, it's already starting to double in my eyes...

Roman, if you address me as " you " (as before), I will also be happy.

Djon, about the "two Victors", then I remembered from the Wreath: "No matter how many of you there are , there is still more of me"!.

Dear Rhopalocera, please remove my essay from your site.

A novice collector's question ( ).
And where can I buy entomological pins, straighteners, etc. in Moscow now?

A novice collector's question ( ).
And where can I buy entomological pins, straighteners, etc. in Moscow now?

Well, apparently you need to look at the link (banner at the top of the page).

A novice collector's question ( ).
And where can I buy entomological pins, straighteners, etc. in Moscow now?

http://www.entomon.ru/

  http://www.entomon.ru/

Duc and I about that. How does it open a normal store? I need to go to the "Bird", but I think so.

How does it open a normal store? I need to go to the "Bird", but I think so.

I haven't been on the Bird myself. I used to buy from them over the Internet. Our cooperation experience is the best.

Another off-topic question.
If you do the straighteners yourself, then from what types of wood is it better to make a surface for straightening? I have some clapboard (pine) left. So I'm wondering if it can be used...

This post was edited by chebur - 03.03.2010 20: 25

Another off-topic question.
If you do the straighteners yourself, then from what types of wood is it better to make a surface for straightening? I have some clapboard (pine) left. So I'm wondering if it can be used...

Linden is the best material of our breeds, I do not recommend pine (it is resinous).

Honestly, I've already spoken about pins, I've bought boxes (cardboard, covered with black paper, glazed, in two sizes - 16x25 and 25x31. 5), but I've never seen Sachkov on sale, and I've never even asked the seller questions about them.

But I have never come across such boxes (covered with black paper). I bought only boxes covered with light gray cloth. Small size, 72 kopecks apiece. On the Sandy square

But I have never come across such boxes (covered with black paper). I bought only boxes covered with light gray cloth. Small size, 72 kopecks apiece. On the Sandy square.

I also bought them covered with gray cloth, they were on sale in an earlier period. And the option in black paper (like bags for photos) appeared at the final stage.

I received 200 cossids from Bolivia today. Super! I spent only $ 180. In Zina 1 kossida from Yu. America. I have about 400 so far. It's so cool that you can buy the right material! And it will belong to our countrie

Oh, and the gelechiids already??

topic "USSR vs RUSSIA" is gone In Conversation

Let's argue, discuss?WHO MADE ENTOMOLOGY?How is that?They didn't do it-entomology,I mean.It's just there.Or did they?And from what and who created it?Who appeared first on planet Earth-insect or homo sapiens?Who has the championship and in what?
P. davidovi - - - this is an exclusive and super achievement-a godsend.The point is that the genus Parnssius (Papilionidae) is occupied,carried away by several tens of thousands of people on the planet Earth.Microlepidotera is much smaller in humans for example.Open a new species (not a subspecies, as I described simonius P. simonius taldicus (name-taldychit and taldychit all))

Let's argue, discuss?WHO MADE ENTOMOLOGY?How is that?They didn't do it-entomology,I mean.It's just there.Or did they?And from what and who created it?Who appeared first on planet Earth-insect or homo sapiens?Who has the championship and in what?
P. davidovi - - - this is an exclusive and super achievement-a godsend.The point is that the genus Parnssius (Papilionidae) is occupied,carried away by several tens of thousands of people on the planet Earth.Microlepidotera is much smaller in humans for example.Open a new species (not a subspecies, as I described simonius P. simonius taldicus (name-taldychit and taldychit all))

I think you should stop smoking THIS... But - in order.

Entomology - as a science-was not made by sellers of colorful wings. Among them are such gentlemen as Darwin, Fabre, Fritz, Fischer von Waldheim, Bey-Bienko, Shvanvich, Masokhin-Porshnyakov, and many others. sellers of flowery wings breed subspecies of parnassus from each individual hill-not for the sake of entomology, but for the sake of their leather wallet. Is this what you call entomology? Perfectly! I call it the other owl business. To learn more about the history of ENTOMOLOGY, not ENTOMOCOMERATION, I recommend reading Ray Smith's book "History of Entomology", published in 1973.

P. davydovi is undoubtedly an exclusive. But only for these several tens of thousands of people who want to add new colored wings to their collection. However, his discovery was more a great success of the discoverer than a contribution to science. Getting rich from this type is obvious - with its price and monopoly on supplies, it brings good dividends. Engage in Parnassian activities? Please note, the occupation is unpromising, although profitable . Let them do it-it doesn't harm anyone.

But about the achievement...

But if no one responded and sent the scientists wings for paper, things would go much slower (otherwise, scientists would not have published those ads).

I totally agree. However, in my opinion, it was meant that there are people who study insects and collect a collection as a working material, and on the contrary, there are people who are only interested in collecting by themselves, for aesthetic purposes so to speak-so that the insect is larger and more beautiful, "luxury", perfect fringe, etc. IMHO it was this second category of collectors that was meant by the phrase "lovers of changing colored wings for colored pieces of paper".

Enough arguments about commerce and science. Things are different. Why argue here-that's clear to everyone. Discovering a new collembola, a new palmetto, or a new cossida is not like discovering a new good view of parnassius - that's also obvious. Those who think that entomology is a Prague or Moscow bursa are deeply mistaken. This is only a small part of it, and it's not about entomology anymore, but about business. This is neither good nor bad. It's just the way it is. The fact that collecting is not entomology is also clear. This is part of it - and there is more philately than science.
No arguments are needed. But all those who were in Prague or Moscow on bursa visited the Prague Museum or the Moscow State University Museum to work with the material, library, types... ??? This question will help you understand the difference between commercial affairs and entomology.
And there is no reason to judge each other.
Huge materials are collected by purely commercial collectors and they are honored and praised. Callemball is not caught - for this minus them. But then a rich collembologist will appear and everyone will catch them. And we will all immediately realize that there are 10 times more species than was generally assumed when materials from Papua, Sichuan and the Western Pamirs come in.
In short, all well done, who does their job correctly and well.

Enough arguments about commerce and science.

And what's enough? I was just getting hot...

Why argue here-that's clear to everyone. Discovering a new collembola, a new palmetto, or a new cossida is not like discovering a new good view of parnassius - that's also obvious.

Well, for the philatelist-different, and for the entomologist - one horseradish...

Those who think that entomology is a Prague or Moscow bursa are deeply mistaken. This is only a small part of it, and it's not about entomology anymore, but about business. This is neither good nor bad. It's just the way it is.

What do you mean not good and not bad? It's bad.
The collection of insects can only be carried out for scientific purposes, all this philatelic flea market is anti-scientific and unacceptable, because it allows you to withdraw material from scientific circulation. No wonder the sale of material is prohibited by the codes of almost all entomological societies. The only people who don't understand this are some Russians, who were once given a lot of allowances, because you can't take anything from them, beggars, and they've been taking it for granted ever since.

In short, all well done, who does their job correctly and well.

Chikatilo is also an honor and praise?

Wait till I get some beer and chips!!!

And what's enough? I was just getting hot...

Chikatilo is also an honor and praise?

Vlad, you should also be able to drink, for example.

Vlad, you should also be able to drink, for example.

When will you make the list?

Please explain why the theme was created: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...0&#entry1101152
I wanted to answer there, but I can't . Therefore, I will answer here: For me personally, it was not the purchase of insects that was important, but communication first of all live, and not on the Internet. Of course, I bought pins there and 3 exotic barbels for a change (I prefer to collect our own). You can not reduce such an event only to buying and selling (this is not the main thing). So many entomological people gathered at one point and at one time-this is the first thing to pay attention to.

Please explain why the theme was created: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...0&#entry1101152
I wanted to answer there, but I can't . Therefore, I will answer here: For me personally, it was not the purchase of insects that was important, but communication first of all live, and not on the Internet. Of course, I bought pins there and 3 exotic barbels for a change (I prefer to collect our own). You can not reduce such an event only to buying and selling (this is not the main thing). So many entomological people gathered at one point and at one time-this is the first thing to pay attention to.

That's exactly what I came there for myself. Plus get drunk =)))

When will you make the list?

by the way, thank you for reminding me

Actually, not Tov. Is Rhopalocera hiding under the nickname Dragonsbane? However, don't care. And in essence-if we want to breed srach, then let's go to another forum from here. And there is no need for these surveys about the amount of money spent. Are you, Dragonsbane, what, a tax inspector?
You don't have to count them.
What a desire to trivialize and smear everything. Who offended you so much?
If Dragonsbane is so worried about mythical money spent by someone and offended legtails, then let them first write their real name on their personal page.

And then we have enough brave people on the forum who like to scold, but are afraid to write their name.

by the way, thank you for reminding me

Actually, not Tov. Is Rhopalocera hiding under the nickname Dragonsbane? However, don't care. And in essence-if we want to breed srach, then let's go to another forum from here. And there is no need for these surveys about the amount of money spent. Are you, Dragonsbane, what, a tax inspector?
You don't have to count them.
What a desire to trivialize and smear everything. Who offended you so much?
If Dragonsbane is so worried about mythical money spent by someone and offended legtails, then let them first write their real name on their personal page.

And then we have enough brave people on the forum who like to scold, but are afraid to write their name.

Happy to try

And why srach something? In disputes, truth is born. Folk mushroom proverb.

And for the name in the profile - with both hands for! It would be nice to have a mandatory item.

However, I still hope that Stanislav and I are not the only ones who are against the material trade in Russia...

Happy to try

And why srach something? In disputes, truth is born. Folk mushroom proverb.

And for the name in the profile - with both hands for! It would be nice to have a mandatory item.

However, I still hope that Stanislav and I are not the only ones who are against the material trade in Russia...

Check your email address!
I did it! or rather, you did it!
I didn't write about sracha about you. I can't blame you for that.
And by the way, did you learn to drink if that's what you were driving for?

Happy to try

And why srach something? In disputes, truth is born. Folk mushroom proverb.

And for the name in the profile - with both hands for! It would be nice to have a mandatory item.

However, I still hope that Stanislav and I are not the only ones who are against the material trade in Russia...

Can I give you the material as a gift? And exchange (give to the giver)?

Check your email address!
I did it! or rather, you did it!
I didn't write about sracha about you. I can't blame you for that.
And by the way, did you learn to drink if that's what you were driving for?

Already answered
I never knew how to drink (I grew up without my father) -- but I always loved it very much)))

Can I give you the material as a gift? And exchange (give to the giver)?

Entomologists will always agree =)

Entomologists will always agree =)

Vlad, come here pliz http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...0&#entry1100779
Also an interesting topic Can you participate

In the topic you are referring to, everything is written. It is very interesting to know the current financial capabilities of an ordinary Russian entomologist. And to take a shit is always welcome. Only that's not what I created the theme for. Stupid statistics, nothing more.

PS. If I wish , I'll open both my first and last names. But so far I don't see the need, and there is no desire.

In the topic you are referring to, everything is written. It is very interesting to know the current financial capabilities of an ordinary Russian entomologist. And to take a shit is always welcome. Only that's not what I created the theme for. Stupid statistics, nothing more.

PS. If I wish , I'll open both my first and last names. But I don't see the need yet, and I don't want to.

And we just want to know for whom/what we provide these statistics.

Ohhh.
It saddens me
, Vlad, to know that 90 percent of the British Museum's materials were collected by commercial collectors hired by various societies, Walter Rothschild and similar bigwigs.
I wonder where the sale of material is prohibited, when museums buy and curators have special funds for the purchase of collections and materials. Something Vlad, you're overdoing it.
Many Russian professional entomologists, especially those who deal with small compact groups of beetles or butterflies, buy the material themselves. With great joy. About half of my collection of cossids, which is three times the size of ZINA's, has been purchased.
It's strange to see and hear all this. I have never seen a more puritanical attitude towards bursas and the insect trade.
"The collection of insects can only be carried out for scientific purposes, all this philatelic flea market is anti-scientific and unacceptable, because it allows you to withdraw material from scientific circulation."
But this phrase just kills me. You know, I don't have the energy and mood to fight here, especially with you Vlad. Yes, and with no one, especially with anonymous people.
The phrase about Chikotilo is, my friend, just nonsense, called "distorting".

This post was edited by Yakovlev - 23.09.2010 18: 12

  
Well, for the philatelist-different, and for the entomologist - one horseradish...

And for an entomologist, this is not a single horseradish. But completely different. Anyone who is seriously engaged in legtails, fingerflies or cossids understands that finding a new parnassus is very serious. For example I have described 200 species of cossids and I see Churkin's success in capturing and describing new Parnassus as a great find!

I can't help but speak out. Everything is very simple. The group of interest is mostly tropical, and many interesting (including interesting) species are found in the "as luck would have it"mode. As a result, there is usually no money to go yourself, and even if there is, there is no guarantee that you will catch what you need. Under these conditions, I get most of the material from merchants who catch as much as they need, and most often - what is needed (even without prior agreements). I don't know about butterflies and beetles, but if we talk about less popular groups, then in my opinion, thanks to merchants, much more material comes into scientific circulation than, as they put it here, "is displayed". Therefore, for me, the question of the attitude to entocommerce has been resolved long ago and unequivocally positively.
In general, I do not hide the fact that for me both communication and buying material were equivalent components of the Congress.

Ohhh.
It saddens me
, Vlad, to know that 90 percent of the British Museum's materials were collected by commercial collectors hired by various societies, Walter Rothschild and similar bigwigs.
I wonder where the sale of material is prohibited, when museums buy and curators have special funds for the purchase of collections and materials. Something Vlad, you're overdoing it.
Many Russian professional entomologists, especially those who deal with small compact groups of beetles or butterflies, buy the material themselves. With great joy. About half of my collection of cossids, which is three times the size of ZINA's, has been purchased.
It's strange to see and hear all this. I have never seen a more puritanical attitude towards bursas and the insect trade.
"The collection of insects can only be carried out for scientific purposes, all this philatelic flea market is anti-scientific and unacceptable, because it allows you to withdraw material from scientific circulation."
But this phrase just kills me. You know, I don't have the energy and mood to fight here, especially with you Vlad. Yes, and with no one, especially with anonymous people.
The phrase about Chikotilo is, my friend, just nonsense, called "distorting".

Yes, I have no complaints about those who buy - I have complaints about those who sell past the scientific cash register, is it really unclear? Most of the material sold in any bursa will be eaten by leatherworms on the wall of those who chose to collect butterflies instead of trophy hunting rhinos. This is anti-scientific.

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PS. If I wish , I'll open both my first and last names. But I don't see the need yet, and I don't want to.

And when you want, you will open the type "Chingachgook Gogi Abramovich"

And for an entomologist, this is not a single horseradish. But completely different. Anyone who is seriously engaged in legtails, fingerflies or cossids understands that finding a new parnassus is very serious. For example I have described 200 species of cossids and I see Churkin's success in capturing and describing new Parnassus as a great find!

Well, this is because you yourself are engaged in a parascientific activity in the form of describing new taxa of bulavousy in general and Parnassus in particular on the principle of "maybe something will not be reduced to synonyms".

Which doesn't detract from your great achievements in plowing through the cossids, but nevertheless, I should have said it, sorry Roman.