About tropics, merchants, and personal preferences

  
And on the subject: it would be better to find fault with those Russian tourists who get drunk and fuss on vacation in exotic countries.

come on.... just a couple of times and it was...
do you want to take away your last joy...

"For example, do you need anything from the Far East or Sakhalin? I can look it up."

Does it make sense to write in a personal account ? You don't need banals, just interesting bombycoids.

Yes, Tigran, shut the fuck up!

No, Pash, I won't. I'll cover it here - the flood will start in another place. The topic is too lively, albeit stupid. Let's have a reservation here. I'll just call her something else.

I don't know what is happening in faraway countries and how much damage is caused to nature by insect collectors. I can give you an example of how this is done here, in the Moscow region.
In 2006, a special team cut down trees and bushes under the high-voltage line (60 meters wide and several kilometers long).
and all the felled trees were left to dry or rot. The next year , they set fire to it, the entire strip was well burned out, and the surrounding forest also fell. In 2008, there was not even a tenth of what was found before. And nothing, no scandal.
Well, Chubais, wait!!!

No, Pash, I won't. I'll cover it here - the flood will start in another place. The topic is too lively, albeit stupid. Let's have a reservation here. I'll just call her something else.

Well, I hope that the forum participants are still reasonable people and know how to separate flies from cutlets.

And let's rename the topic to "Flood Cabinet" or something like that?

or "near-entomological conversations" , etc.

This post was edited by Morozzz - 18.01.2009 11: 42

Yes!

Dmitritch, you can't understand everything so bluntly!The Russian language is such a rich tool!Have you tried to "read" between the lines and turn on your imagination in addition to everything else?

DISAF, what are you doing? Jokes should be understood (this is about an abnormal corpse)! As for the Russian language-I agree, it is the richest language in terms of expressing thoughts, a luxury tool! Moreover, you need to use it skillfully in order to avoid ambiguities. And my imagination works constantly, I never turn it off (like any "normal living person"). Didn't you notice? Strange...

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 18.01.2009 19: 16

Dmitrich, you have repeatedly stated that you do not accept the commercial side of entomology, at least do not buy anything for the collection and do not sell anything. According to you , you are not a merchant. But this is not entirely true.

How many copies are there in your collection? More than a hundred, I suppose?" A thousand, five, or ten thousand, or more?

While the beetle was running around in the forest floor, it was worthless as part of the surrounding nature, but when you picked it up, worked with it and put it in YOUR collection, it automatically became a tangible item with a market value. Each instance of your collection is an object that represents a material, read monetary value, regardless of whether you will sell it or not.

Now I will repeat my question in a new way. How many items of material value (collectible items) Do you possess? How many, how many? Multiply the number of copies by the prices in the price lists and BE HORRIFIED. You are the owner of a very expensive property and with each new trophy that you love to get exactly with your own hands, (otherwise you are not interested) the cost only increases.

Total. Dmitrich, you get rich, that is, you increase the value of your assets by collecting insects, just like the last merchant!

I'm rich!! We are rich, entomologist brothers and sisters!! Let's sell our collections and buy the world!!! Buahahaha!!
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Dmitrich, you have repeatedly stated that you do not accept the commercial side of entomology, at least do not buy anything for the collection and do not sell anything. According to you , you are not a merchant. But this is not quite true...
Dmitrich, you get rich, that is, you increase the value of your assets by collecting insects, just like the last merchant!

Well, barko, why bring everything to the point of absurdity? To begin with, I really don't sell or buy material. But I never said that I don't buy anything for the collection (what about pins, boxes, and other equipment?). As for the material, I have repeatedly stated, clarified, explained: I do not accept the purchase and sale of beetles that I collect, but I do not accept exclusively for myself.
I don't impose my chosen method of adding money to the collection on anyone. Most people like to sell-buy-please. I can't help myself: well, I'm not interested in the purchased copy! If I have copies available in excess of my own needs, it will never occur to me to sell them: I will simply give them to my colleagues (by the way, I will not name them either, so as not to involve them in a discussion that is beginning to reach a dead end). And they do exactly the same with me, it can not even be called an exchange, because there is no parity and priority of "giving" in our relations at all.
A merchant is any person engaged in a commercial craft (business or business).: trade, production of goods, construction, provision of services, etc. Commerce involves extracting income from its activities. When I collect insects, I only bear the costs (purchase of equipment, any kind, even if not long-distance, but trips, etc.) Yes, my collection, of course, costs money. But the question is that neither I nor my relatives will sell it. Hell, I want to live and wander around the woods, fields and other areas, fishing... But for me, the time when I will have to dispose of the collection, alas, is not far off. So, if I don't live up to the time when my grandson becomes my fellow enthusiast (the already adult son, unfortunately, is indifferent), my collection will either be given into the hands of younger colleagues, or transferred to the museum if the museum has such an interest. And absolutely free of charge (i.e. for free, as Winnie-the-Pooh's friend Sava used to say ). This is my credo. So what kind of merchant am I?! Understand the terms.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 18.01.2009 20: 48

Well, barko, why bring everything to the point of absurdity? To begin with, I really don't sell or buy material. But I never said that I don't buy anything for the collection (what about pins, boxes, and other equipment?). As for the material, I have repeatedly stated, clarified, explained: I do not accept the purchase and sale of beetles that I collect, but I do not accept exclusively for myself.
I don't impose my chosen method of adding money to the collection on anyone. Most people like to sell-buy-please. I can't help myself: well, I'm not interested in the purchased copy! If I have copies available in excess of my own needs, it will never occur to me to sell them: I will simply give them to my colleagues (by the way, I will not name them either, so as not to involve them in a discussion that is beginning to reach a dead end). And they do exactly the same with me, it can not even be called an exchange, because there is no parity and priority of "giving" in our relations at all.
A merchant is any person engaged in a commercial craft (business or business).: trade, production of goods, construction, provision of services, etc. Commerce involves extracting income from its activities. When I collect insects, I only bear the costs (purchase of equipment, any kind, even if not long-distance, but trips, etc.) Yes, my collection, of course, costs money. But the question is that neither I nor my relatives will sell it. Hell, I want to live and wander around the woods, fields and other areas, fishing... But for me, the time when I will have to dispose of the collection, alas, is not far off. So, if I don't live up to the time when my grandson becomes my fellow enthusiast (the already adult son, unfortunately, is indifferent), my collection will either be given into the hands of younger colleagues, or transferred to the museum if the museum has such an interest. And absolutely free of charge (i.e. for free, as Winnie-the-Pooh's friend Sava used to say ). This is my credo. So what kind of merchant am I?! Understand the terms.

This is quite enough.

This is quite enough.

What's enough for? Please explain. God knows I don't know! Or are you trying to include all people, regardless of their beliefs and preferences, in potential merchants just because they have certain items that have a consumer value?

I read and read all these opuses and heated arguments and, ofigeval ... I'm a merchant to the core, that's for sure! How much I cut.... But it seems to me that the trouble with this topic is that everyone has forgotten about the main issue that still somehow worried the population at the dawn of the topic, namely, can merchants harm insects?! This, in my opinion, is all clear, at least from a biological point of view. Well, as for the attitude towards merchants...
I remember something that was disliked in Russia all the way: speculators (merchants), power and priests (sorry if I offended anyone).... So, gentlemen, it all began to remind me of a drunken bazaar (again, I apologize). Speculators were discussed, the authorities were already reached, and the last thing left.... who's the first?
So that's what I'm getting at... We, merchants, although I, like many people, go on expeditions several times a year and EXCLUSIVELY for our own pleasure, do not care at all about the attitude of the layman, if you want, we are eternal as long as you exist, and you are eternal as long as we exist, because, sorry, but in the land of You merchants will also bury them, priests will sing songs, and the authorities will forget (thank God). We're all sinners... And who is sinless? Are there any of these? Any bold ones? Or just memory changes? The world is imperfect. BE RECONCILED! There's nothing left to discuss!
Catch insects, buy pins, change, sell and buy immediately, and generally stick to your principles. And among the merchants there are excellent people and more decent than many non-merchants. And in general, often, envy as a vice has not been canceled, different things happen.... The conflict between fathers and children comes to mind... "it's eternal! That's all there is to it! Kommersant-sounds proud! All works are good! Choose according to your taste! (and there is no companion for him...)! Here I go to straighten the soaked beetles for MY collection, 27 pieces, and the time is 22: 25... and I do it almost every day, although I could hire 10 people for an excellent salary ... but alas, merchants are also people, and they are not alien to anything human

What's enough for? Please explain. God knows I don't know! Or are you trying to include all people, regardless of their beliefs and preferences, in potential merchants just because they have certain items that have a consumer value?

Sorry I didn't answer more fully. So it happened.

In the above phrase, I saw your agreement that collections cost money. We invest in them and their value increases. This is objective and there is nothing absurd about it.

I didn't call you a merchant directly. I don't see you as such. In my proposal, I specifically used the comparison "as a merchant"rather than a statement. Yes, I wanted to tease you a little. It seems to have turned out stronger than expected.

Sorry I didn't answer more fully. So it happened.

In the above phrase, I saw your agreement that collections cost money. We invest in them and their value increases. This is objective and there is nothing absurd about it.

I didn't call you a merchant directly. I don't see you as such. In my proposal, I specifically used the comparison "as a merchant"rather than a statement. Yes, I wanted to tease you a little. It seems to have turned out stronger than expected.

No, you didn't do anything to offend me . The collection, like everything else in this world, of course, costs money. But I do not invest in it and do not set such a goal, I collect it exclusively for the soul and mind. The verb "invest" does not apply to the actions of collectors like me at all.
I want to note that the phrase "I am not a merchant" is identical in meaning to the phrases "I am not an astronaut", "I am not a doctor"," I am not a mountaineer"," I am not a turner", etc. This is just a statement of the fact that I don't belong to a certain group of people. And only.

I don't think you can call a merchant a profession.. This is probably an occupation.. Although maybe someone can. but this is if they chose to earn money in this way, not because they are interested in insects in general, but the easiest way to earn money in this way.. But I don't think there are many of them, so it's not a profession..

No, you didn't do anything to offend me . The collection, like everything else in this world, of course, costs money. But I do not invest in it and do not set such a goal, I collect it exclusively for the soul and mind. The verb "invest" does not apply to the actions of collectors like me at all.
I want to note that the phrase "I am not a merchant" is identical in meaning to the phrases "I am not an astronaut", "I am not a doctor"," I am not a mountaineer"," I am not a turner", etc. This is just a statement of the fact that I don't belong to a certain group of people. That's all.

You invest (ch. invest) labor and time, and as a result, you create material value of considerable value. It comes naturally, no matter what your motives are.

The wiki on this subject says:
"A merchant is a person engaged in private trade, engaged in commercial entrepreneurship."
What side is Dmitrich here, who does not sell or buy insects?

The wiki on this subject says:
"A merchant is a person engaged in private trade, engaged in commercial entrepreneurship."
What side is Dmitrich here, who does not sell or buy insects?

Nothing. I wrote about this in the post above.

BY THE WAY!!!!
Two Russians detained in Peru for attempting to export insects have been released!!!!1111111111111111

Yes, they are not only released, but also trade in full swing (at least one of them, whom I know)

You invest (ch. invest) labor and time, and as a result, you create material value of considerable value. It comes naturally, no matter what your motives are.

Good. Let's put it another way. Having a certain value, my collection, as long as it is under my control, will never become a subject of purchase and sale, i.e. it will not be a subject of commerce.

and you can also give it as a gift later..

Ej, sporshiki!
Privet s Fujijamy
kak zdes krasivo, kakaja priroda, obaldet
I vse ot togo chto kultura obaldennaja, i kommersanty s kulturoi i obyvateli
Koroche vsem privet iz Japan
Sejchas idet sneg, velikolepno, i dazhe pojmal 4 Carabus pod kamnjami
Chertovski krasivo

Only yesterday, the chef showed photos of him on the background of Fuji shish kebab frying on the beach. for the new year... Beauty... Almost jealous...))))))

Omar are you interested in New Guinea?
Why then our dispute that it is not necessary to go to Pakistan, and it is quite enough to collect in Southern Butovo
Is Yakovlev

I am interested in the general biodiversity of specific families that I started studying in the foothill region. I think this is not the worst practice. To begin studying ground beetles, for example, from Papua New Guinea, living in Moscow and having absolutely no idea about the Palearctic representatives of the group, I consider it at least strange. As you can see, Yakovlev, ground beetles in my understanding are not only carabuses, racehorses and nebrias, but also amars, bembidions and dischirius. Therefore, I still have something to do at home. I consider your further criticisms in this topic to be a stupid and unnecessary flood of a person who is wounded in the very heart

I am interested in the general biodiversity of specific families that I started studying in the foothill region. I think this is not the worst practice. To begin studying ground beetles, for example, from Papua New Guinea, living in Moscow and having absolutely no idea about the Palearctic representatives of the group, I consider it at least strange. As you can see, Yakovlev, ground beetles in my understanding are not only carabuses, racehorses and nebrias, but also amars, bembidions and dischirius. Therefore, I still have something to do at home. I consider your further criticisms in this topic to be a stupid and unnecessary flood of a person who is wounded to the very heart

Omar-respect and uvazhukha know about you from our mutual friend (and only good things), who sometimes works with N.B. Nikitsky, and before I found out - from your posts here. I fully support you, Roma, in the fact that no less interesting insects are swarming under our feet right here, in our Russian fields, meadows and forests. And the fact that those living in the tropics, larger than M. B. 2 times or brighter in color, will in no way have this priority in normal serious (collectors for show - offs-not for you) research. For me, this is normal. Why should I love more the entomofauna of any country in Honduras or Madagascar (for example), if I can't 100% identify all the insects from my suburban dacha? Yes, a box hung on the wall with butterflies with a wingspan of about 20 cm or beetles with whiskers of the same length should definitely impress unsophisticated beholders. And do you need IT: show-offs are cheap (M. B. and dorgie, but not the point)? Make up your mind, dear ones. On this forum, the vast majority of participants want to know nothing but Rhopalocera, Cerambycidae and Carabidae... Everything else is not very interesting, because it is too small or complicated "for a boy with a wooden head"...
IMHO, in these groups, researchers already have nothing particularly bright. At best, describe some controversial subspecies (morph, forma) of some left ground beetle from some slope of the Caucasian Ridge, where fighting is underway, so that people will be afraid to climb there for another 100 years because of the danger of being blown up on possible tripwires, etc., or from the now poorly accessible Central Asian republics... Large and beautiful (read-commercially interesting) insects are studied quite well, at least in the European part of the country, their ranges are practically defined, i.e. for real science, their collection is not of particular interest. Yes, some statistics will be collected, for example, on Microlepidoptera of the MO, what kotbegemot does in his spare time, or similar faunal information about another group in another region. But where are the guarantees that insects identified by photos that are not always of decent quality are really what they are supposed to be? IMHO - this M. B. is just information for reflection and planning their future expeditions in order to get reliable material (and for the correct tip, thanks in the article to the source of information).
On the other side of the question, I want to say that being interested in the fauna of the group that you have chosen as the object of your interest (and this is not done for a year or two, believe me) is the norm, and not a crime. If I hadn't been interested in the fauna of America, I could have already created so many synonyms!!! And who needs it? In addition to narrow palearcts, there are also a sufficient number of palearctic species with a disjunctive range, holarcts, and cosmopolitans in general - what to do with them? In my deepest conviction, knowing your native fauna better than the fauna of some Papuans is by no means a bad idea, and I urge young people, as well as all novice amateurs, regardless of their age-let's try to study the entomofauna of Russia, or at least the European part of it, at least at the level of the same Europe - and you will be rewarded... Because doing what you love to do is a thrill. Achieving high-quality results in this field is a double thrill, and when these results are also recognized by colleagues in the shop, and even more so by professionals in this narrow field - here is a great opportunity to amuse your EGO.
PS Observation. And why are these various banquets so fruitful in terms of various provocations to scribble in forums?.. The question is rhetorical
PPS hurt no one here was not going to, but just a little sore... There are several dozen undescribed species from Lat. America, South Africa, Malaysia, Burma, our Far East, the Kola Peninsula and native Karelia - where to start, I don't know For science, it seems all the same, but where will they publish it first, and grab it as soon as possible? Well, so that it can play faster for a career in science...

Now I saw a topic in which I suddenly wrote so much, of course it has nothing to do with Papua or N. Guinea, but if Bolivar decides that this opus of mine is out of place here (offtopic), let him not delete it at all, but throw it where it is necessary, and if there is no such topic, then let Omar and I go to some "patriotic entomology" Of apologists, in my opinion, Dmitrich was still for domestic beetles, sorry if he was wrong about something, tried to be correct.

This post was edited by IchMan - 09/21/2009 22: 24

It would be interesting to hear from you about your misconceptions. Help me see clearly! What else can entomology be reduced to?
As far as I believe, this science originated and is designed specifically for the study of this class of animals, which means describing species and building a system in accordance with the accumulated knowledge. This applies to classical E.
Naturally, various applied fields have emerged, such as medical E. agricultural E., forest E., etc.

And imagine that you can just enjoy the beauty of nature is difficult for you? Probably Chaliapin, when drinking, sang for pleasure: "The reeds rustled... "(an unscientific joke). In Russia, I also catch small different creatures. I understand them better. But I don't know much about the tropics, and to understand them well, you have to live there for months and study literature. I don't have that option. Therefore, a trip to the tropics is more aesthetic than scientific pleasure. And the journey. There were no show-offs and commerce in this...
As they say, sorry for the off-top.

Omar are you interested in New Guinea?
Why then our dispute that it is not necessary to go to Pakistan, and it is quite enough to collect in Southern Butovo
Is Yakovlev

Gee-gee For some reason, I don't know why, Pakistani species are not caught in Southern Butovo. Titanus giganteus from Latin. I didn't see him in my neighborhood, either. So, if the opportunity to go to see the world, to help, then it's a sin to miss this opportunity. All arguments like "why, when the fauna at home is not studied" are perceived as excuses. Of course, the fauna of the native land also needs to be studied, but it is still better to combine.

And imagine that you can just enjoy the beauty of nature is difficult for you? Probably Chaliapin, when drinking, sang for pleasure: "The reeds rustled... "(an unscientific joke). In Russia, I also catch small different creatures. I understand them better. But I don't know much about the tropics, and to understand them well, you have to live there for months and study literature. I don't have that option. Therefore, a trip to the tropics is more aesthetic than scientific pleasure. And the journey. There were no show-offs and commerce in this...
As they say, sorry for the off-top.

I have nothing against any trips for the purpose of obtaining aesthetic pleasure, especially if it comes from entomological collections of various exotics. But I was just talking about the science of entomology! I'm sorry if that was offensive. I was not talking about a hobby-collecting "cool butterfly beetles" in order to stick them on the wall, but about Science! Do you feel the difference?
He himself is also a sinner, went on vacation to Sakhalin, collected and photographed everything that came to hand, and the Malez trap generally catches everything flying indiscriminately. I'll send some photos to the ZIN, put something (for example, bianorov) in a box for aesthetics , try to determine something from the fees myself, give something to specialists in the ZIN, and for science I will use a very small part of my fees for riders-ichneumonids, where I myself do something I stand like a specialist. And this is the main (most important) result of my vacation, it's a pity that we didn't get to the Kuril Islands, although the pass was already ready... Everyone lies that "the island has normal weather"...

+1 and respect to Sergey Korolev and our other travelers. This is not an easy task. And if you approach it the same way as Ichman... Well I do not know... Miklukho-Maklay means he was a fool, and Przhevalsky is an idiot, but what is there-Grumm-Grzhimailo is the last scoundrel, it was necessary to catch butterflies at the house, and not to go to the Pamirs and China!

In your opinion, first you need to study the insects of Zanzibar, and then, in retirement, when you can't walk, at your dacha near Moscow? So, do I understand you correctly? Have you studied the Bulavous people of the European part of the country so much that there is no longer a niche left for you? Only the impassable tropics remain, because any other group of insects does not exist for you in principle (it is of little interest)?
What are your priorities?

 
Now I saw a topic in which I suddenly wrote so much, of course it has nothing to do with Papua or N. Guinea, but if Bolivar decides that this opus of mine is out of place here (offtopic), let him not delete it at all, but throw it where it is necessary, and if there is no such topic, then let Omar and I go to some "patriotic entomology" Of apologists, in my opinion, Dmitrich was still for domestic beetles, sorry if he was wrong about something, tried to be correct.

Andrey, you still forgot me! I found some families of diptera and pereponids in general only in one area of Flax.I collect regions..

Gee-gee For some reason, I don't know why, Pakistani species are not caught in Southern Butovo. Titanus giganteus from Latin. I didn't see him in my neighborhood, either. So, if the opportunity to go to see the world, to help, then it's a sin to miss this opportunity. All arguments like "why, when the fauna at home is not studied" are perceived as excuses. Of course, the fauna of the native land also needs to be studied, but it is still better to combine.

Excuses for what? Please tell me?
And who talked about giving up the opportunity to go somewhere for training camps, if suddenly this was provided?
In view of this, there was a serious science - one based on the achievements of which all entomologists-practitioners, amateurs of all stripes can then confidently determine their fees, make summaries, lists of species for some local territories, etc., etc. Or do you think that the entomofauna of Russia is no longer interesting at all and its study does not promise any interesting results discoveries. I can assure you that this is not the case. If we move a little away from the rather well-studied groups, such as the Rhopalocera, Cerambycidae and Carabidae that I mentioned earlier... the field of activity of an entomologist in our country can satisfy any ambition. New, undescribed insect species abound, even in the European part of the country! Another thing is that to reach a level where you can distinguish them quite confidently, it will take years of constant self-improvement and improving your skills as a specialist.

it doesn't matter what you catch and collect - do whatever you like and how you like it. If you want-ride far, if you want-collect in the yard. Interesting things are EVERYWHERE! Sometimes at home you can catch something very interesting and go to the tropics without catching anything!!!
For me, a trip to the tropics is getting into a fairy tale, into a large biodiversity, a large number of strange insects. But this is just for fun, but I like to collect all sorts of interesting insects of the Palearctic more often, and not the largest and brightest.
Let's not forget-to each his own! And there is nothing to joke about!

I remember at the beginning of my journey I asked Mikhail Nagomatulin: "where can I catch something interesting "(meaning Moldova), to which I received the answer "Yes everywhere!"
Everywhere there is something interesting, skills and luck to find it!

Andrey, you still forgot me! I found some families of diptera and pereponids in general only in one area of Flax.I collect regions..

Alexey, of course I remember you. There are not so many of us who try to study elephants (well, flies too), and especially in the NW of the country. And I am very happy that we have such people and work in the field of entomology in my spare time (I am a pro, so I may be too harsh to amaters). Or maybe they just sometimes do not have the opportunity to buy elementary optics to see diagnostic signs in a species less than 1 cm long. Only large objects remain, whose value for entomology is quite doubtful, which does not at all negate the value of others - see above in this controversy.
By the way, Alexey, for some reason I did not receive a response to my spring letter in PM about posting key scans for bees and sphecides. Did my email get through? I asked you to write down if the archive where I put all this stuff is readable.

Alexey, of course I remember you. There are not so many of us who try to study elephants (well, flies too), and especially in the NW of the country. And I am very happy that we have such people and work in the field of entomology in my spare time (I am a pro, so I may be too harsh to amaters). Or maybe they just sometimes do not have the opportunity to buy elementary optics to see diagnostic signs in a species less than 1 cm long. Only large objects remain, whose value for entomology is quite doubtful, which does not at all negate the value of others - see above in this controversy.
By the way, Alexey, for some reason I did not receive a response to my spring letter in PM about posting key scans for bees and sphecides. Did my email get through? I asked you to write down if the archive where I put all this stuff is readable.

No, I haven't received any emails.... I don't have any at all mail.ru something is buggy. I already opened another mailbox, so I always forget to check there....
Everything is readable, very cool, very grateful!!!!!!

Oh, what happened....God knows I didn't mean to. But I also don't want to tolerate groundless and extremely stupid attacks by Yakovlev off-topic just like that. Their value to the forum is so questionable that it sometimes overrides its noble knowledge of cossides. One "more Japanese than Russians" what is it worth

This post was edited by Bolivar - 09/22/2009 09: 09

"...the study of [any] class of animals, which means describing the species and building a system in accordance with the accumulated knowledge..."the taxonomy is devoted. This is your mistake - you formulated it for me yourself, without even having to strain your brain. gf

I would still like to hear from you - what do you reduce entomology - the science of which insects are the object? Please state, if this does not make you "strain your brain" very much, just curious to learn something new, M. b.

Oh, what happened....God knows I didn't mean to. But I also don't want to tolerate groundless and extremely stupid attacks by Yakovlev off-topic just like that. Their value to the forum is so questionable that it sometimes overrides its noble knowledge of cossides. One "more Japanese than Russians" what is it worth

don't worry, there are principles, stick to them, and everything will be OK. And you need to answer only for yourself, for your words, you made a mistake in something-admit the mistake, although sometimes it's like a sickle... But the truth is more expensive... And if someone misinterprets something or draws the wrong conclusions from your words - their problems, from them and demand.
The previous post is also mine. something popped up and forum