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It's still summer. 26 degrees today was.

No.
An entomologist is someone who publishes articles on entomology. Because the only criterion that matters here is what non-physical contribution a person left behind.

Excessive interest in writing articles usually leads to delusional writing.
I declare this as a person who writes little, but reads a lot ,and collects even more.

It depends on the group. Sometimes you have to write a lot, who else if not you. For example, chymenopterologists in ZINA, not from a good life, have already described 1000 new species.

It's still summer. It was 26 degrees today.

Well, yes, yesterday in Bishkek (Kyrgyzstan), where you probably are now, it was exactly so many degrees http://meteoinfo.ru/archive-pogoda/kirghiz...k/2010/09/25/12. And more. Forum participants registered on VKontakte can view the page http://vkontakte.ru/id18137205. So, there Stanislav also has the nickname Dragonsbane Now I wonder how you, Stanislav, will prove that you were not a troll under the nickname Dragonsbane And it is not in your best interests to admit, because you will undermine your reputation on the forum and not only. Yes, and you will earn a ban
I also anticipate a strong reaction from Nick on your part rhopalocera.com. Soon you will write from it about slander, they say, discrediting your bright name. Here's just to prove that Dragonsbane and rhopalocera.com these are different people – you just couldn't, as we saw in this topic, and there is more than enough evidence that this is one person. And many forum participants have already understood this.
And for compliments in my address, such as the fact that I am a “leader" and I need to work in the FSB-thank you, I serve Russia!!!
Now I want to explain why I started this investigation. I watched the behavior of anonymous Dragonsbane on the forum for a long time. The behavior was defiant and often boorish in relation to the rest of the forum participants. And in essence, the forum with this nickname before the beginning of such my reaction was not written, i.e. there was a frank flood, opening a thick trolling. Which I couldn't stand to watch any longer, so I started it all. The sense of justice surged!
Every troll must have an anti-troll! (c)
Then allow me to take my leave

This post was edited by Ekos - 26.09.2010 12: 59

And I agree with kotbegemot three times: "An entomologist is someone who publishes articles on entomology. Because the only criterion that matters here is what non-physical contribution a person has left behind."

I agree four times, if it is implied that we should strive to do as much as possible for the development of scientific thought, for the increase of knowledge.

But the rigor of the wording (which is still characteristic of T. kotbegemot) does not help to understand even the correct content. Of course, word usage is a conventional thing, but the meanings of words are set for the sake of communication, so it's better not to set them too individually. Of course, the person-it sounds proud. But this is not a categorical interpretation, but an evaluative one. And by the meaning of the language, a slave is a human being, no matter how much the patrician dislikes it.

Literally, Vladislav's formulation, strictly speaking, means that: 1. Articles are a "non-physical contribution"; this is a mistake, because there is no spiritual contribution to the history of knowledge if it is not physically recorded. Any spiritual "contribution" must be physical in one way or another, otherwise it simply does not exist in nature. Even oral speech is also a physical process. And with zero writing capacity, you can teach young people for years, raise excellent cadres, and then they will say after the first article that they are entomologists, and the one who taught them is not an entomologist. Such phrases are not the right contribution to leave behind. Thank God that Vladislav did not condition "entomologist" also with books (but only articles), but I believe that when he publishes the book,he will introduce such a restriction.
2. If we are talking about "left behind", then Vladislav, I think, should have left such objections to after the death of the colleague in question, because so far everything that the colleague has done and is doing in the field of entomology (not in astronomy) is not yet "after itself". It's too early to determine yet.
3. As soon as the discussed colleague publishes his first article, from the moment it is published, he will be considered an entomologist. But it was only published by an entomologist, and the first person to write it was, of course, a collector or just an idiot who has nothing to do with science. In my opinion, this approach is not quite deep. Vladislav is right to always put the question sharply and at the level of principle, but for a fundamental decision, you need to choose essential features for generalization, after reflection, otherwise instead of a fundamental criterion, we will get a very superficial one. I guess the entomologist comes first, and then the article. First you need to become an entomologist, and only then allow yourself to publish articles in this field, and if the opposite is true, then such articles and such science will be lost. If anyone is in doubt, let him ask Bolshakov what should happen first and what should happen later; Bolshakov will have something to answer.
I am more than sure that I understand Vladislav's position correctly and share it, and I myself have been speaking out against dilatentism and near-science everywhere all my life, but his hasty wording has distorted the correct position by simplifying it.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 26.09.2010 16: 10

I do not know what are the LAWS of this forum (I repent), but on other CLONES (that is

one person performing under different names) are investigated, and if

if they are detected, then they are closed forever.

For my part: I didn't even write anything here as a" Guest " and I won't (not to mention another nickname). So-as I really respect the forum and its participants .

I do not know what are the LAWS of this forum (I repent), but on other CLONES (that is

one person performing under different names) are investigated, and if

if they are detected, then they are closed forever.

Clone detected. We are waiting for the decision of Bolivar.

Clone detected. We are waiting for the decision of Bolivar.

He laughed. I'm not in Kyrgyzstan. You made a mistake again.

He laughed. I'm not in Kyrgyzstan. You made a mistake again.

Laugh all you want, Mr. Troll! There is no truth in any of your words!

Clone detected. We are waiting for the decision of Bolivar.

But we don't know if clones are allowed on this forum. We need to look in the rules.

But we don't know if clones are allowed on this forum. We need to look in the rules.

Unfortunately, the rules don't say anything about this...

Laugh all you want, Mr. Troll! There is no truth in any of your words!

Which of your words are not true? I think you're being overly eccentric. This is called "youthful maximalism".

Then maybe we should introduce such a rule?

Which of your words are not true? I think you're being overly eccentric. This is called "youthful maximalism".

And you are unnecessarily arrogant and shameless. And the most interesting thing is that your behavior shows that you indirectly recognized the identity of dragonsbane and rhopalocera.com

And you are unnecessarily arrogant and shameless. And the most interesting thing is that your behavior shows that you indirectly recognized the identity of dragonsbane and rhopalocera.com

All you can see from my behavior is that I don't like people prying into my private life. Including when I'm mixed up with other people. But you didn't answer my question.

Then maybe we should introduce such a rule?

It would be nice for protection from trolls. In general, for trolls there are all sorts of chats where they talk about nothing. And here such a serious forum is being attempted, without saying anything about it, except for provocative actions in a negative way.

It would be nice for protection from trolls. In general, for trolls there are all sorts of chats where they talk about nothing. And here such a serious forum is being attempted, without saying anything about it, except for provocative actions in a negative way.

About lo lo . It is useful for an arch-serious forum to get a taste of an opinion that is different from the dominant one. Or do you have authoritarianism here?

All you can see from my behavior is that I don't like people prying into my private life. Including when I'm mixed up with other people. But you didn't answer my question.

I'm not going to answer any more of your questions, so as not to feed the troll. And you are very stubborn, it's funny when a person balks after presenting so much evidence and facts. Everyone, I no longer participate in a meaningless dialogue with you, have fun alone.

I'm not going to answer any more of your questions, so as not to feed the troll. And you are very stubborn, it's funny when a person balks after presenting so much evidence and facts. Everyone, I no longer participate in a meaningless dialogue with you, have fun alone.

Hurray! I won! All your "proofs and facts" are sucked out of your finger and far-fetched.

By the way, it would be funny if Korba was so beaten by Comrade Pozhogin

If this is Korb, I'm truly sorry

Novel ! What is it all about???

I think you're on good terms with Stas. A couple of days ago, you (swerig) reacted very harshly to the statement of our new demon-like you are not my brother, etc. Here there are suspicions that this is Stas-all the more surprising and unpleasant how you rejected your friend (not knowing, of course, that it was him). Stas in Kyrgyzstan???
Therefore, do not be offended and if you read the thread, you will understand the essence of my statement

This post was edited by Yakovlev - 26.09.2010 18: 49

It depends on the group. Sometimes you have to write a lot, who else if not you. For example, chymenopterologists in ZINA, not from a good life, have already described 1000 new species.

It depends a lot on the group. Exactly says Victor!!!
There are groups where there are hundreds of new species, how not to describe them and then not put them in order.
I think that a number of our colleagues will support me - but when I see a new species, and I see them often, because everything that is new in Southeast Asia and Africa comes to me one way or another - in short, I see a new species and my heart bleeds. You need to make a description. We need to invent a name.
Don't think that anyone who has described more taxa is cool. That's not the point. This is a very primitive and routine work of an entomologist.
To analyze a complex situation in the studied group, to find a fundamentally new hawk moth or parnassus - this is a hundred times cooler, to make at least one serious revision... Descriptions of species in dense groups are routine. Let someone take Metarbelidae-start buying them, collect literature, go for a ride in museums. If 300 species are active in 10 years, it is guaranteed! In short-a lot of still undescribed species - just dig.

This post was edited by Yakovlev - 26.09.2010 18: 57

I think you're on good terms with Stas. A couple of days ago, you (swerig) reacted very harshly to the statement of our new demon-like you are not my brother, etc. Here there are suspicions that this is Stas-all the more surprising and unpleasant how you rejected your friend (not knowing, of course, that it was him). Stas in Kyrgyzstan???
Therefore, do not be offended and if you read the thread, you will understand the essence of my statement

I'm not in a relationship with him!!! If it was Stas, it was his own fault. You don't have to advise me about all this stuff. If it's not him (he seems to be in Finland in general, in my opinion)"all the more reason. But about davydov (his price and the fact of capture) I would agree with the inflated cost and the randomness factor of capture. Who does not believe in the inflated price-can go and try to catch davydovi in KG. Believe me, they protect it better than the Sumatran rhino. I think everyone knows who is grazing there and why.IMHO

Pash - let's be objective: the transition to personality was arranged by you, and then you spread Dragonsbane to rudeness.

And which of us is a saint, or, let's put it this way - a completely positive (as well as negative) character?
I won't argue who made someone rude. If a person is inclined to rudeness, then even without provocation, he will sooner or later show himself. I just didn't like the arrogant tone and negativity towards other participants.
So who else is getting into trouble?

I came back from Paris... And I was taken aback! First of all, it is amazing how one, we will not mention his name, since he is a coward and is afraid to introduce himself , a "smart guy" with a developed inferiority complex (because he tries in every possible way to attract attention to himself with childish pranks) inflated the discussion about nothing.
Well, Mr. swerig (unfortunately, I do not have the honor to turn to another interlocutor, due to the fact that he is cowardly to infinity) I would like to ask a couple of questions.... You, dear, probably hold a candle? Are you actually aware of the issue of prices for davydovi (Churkin's prices, of course)??? I would like to hear how much it costs and sources of information. And I'll give you my sources! You must have tried to catch him, but you weren't allowed to. I have other information. Only this year it was caught by two expeditions, without ANY PROBLEMS! Do you want a last name? I can send it to your personal account, and you will publicly confirm the fact of false information on your part! Moreover, people are not only not connected with Churkin in any way, but also, if you like, his competitors, in a certain sense. Yes, I completely forgot if you have ever heard of such a science as zoogeography, although, perhaps, in your opinion, it is not necessary at all, since the finds are still random. I mean, before you put up labels, you should get acquainted with the topic (I mean, the search history of Davydov, and the number of expeditions to find this particular butterfly).
Well, as for the ghost on the forum, I want to say - You are just a coward, attracting attention with chatter and nonsense, besides, apparently, you are a complete zero in entomology, because you are not able to attract attention and earn respect (although you do not need it, since you are yourself do not respect) nothing but to pretend to be crazy (although, rather, you are really crazy)

This post was edited by Entoterra - 27.09.2010 18: 44

Is that what you call entomology?

No, entomology, these are dusty, unkempt, eaten by no one (in the sense that no one cares) collections of insects in our museums. To discourage the younger generation from doing this.
Is it really impossible to combine science, education and aesthetics? Well, you're all so mean, aren't you???? Well, look at the Orthoptera collection in ZINA, put by Gorokhov, including in the exhibition. Well, is he now not an entomologist, a world-renowned professor, but a pop singer? Yes, and I have beautiful boxes hanging on the walls, for guests, children, myself and others. But, at the same time, I also have a great collection of small (non-pop) Hemiptera, Hymenoptera, Carabidae, Curculionidae ... and, excuse me, even earwigs. Yes, and galas, covers, and so on I have in abundance. There are bands that I work with, but there are also just for the soul. Isn't that a bad thing?

Pavel, why suffer so much because the findings are random? Are there any planned openings of a particular type of parnassus? People came to exactly that place and at that time, although it would have been more commercially reliable to search a lot of places on the ball for very profitable material, but certainly not to go to Kyrgyzstan with a firm expectation of a new type of parnassus. And the fact that the view was discovered by such people, and not by those who observed and gave out assessments from the outside, is not accidental, but just completely natural.

Yes, no, I do not in any way deny His Majesty the Occasion! It's great when it turns up! But, in this case, (here, the paradox of the phrase) they were looking for a butterfly specifically, analyzing a lot of facts and assumptions. But, of course, if not for the case, they would not have found it. It's just that I also don't like to write everything off as random, without honoring the hard work of the prospectors.

This post was edited by Entoterra - 27.09.2010 18: 45

And what is it?

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I have no idea, this is the business of the person who sells it, changes it, has it....
I'm sorry, but I'm not an expert on egg yolks, so I don't go into what I don't understand. Personally, I DON'T CARE ABOUT" it"!!!!! I changed and bought beetles and bedbugs for myself, mostly small things. What if at Sotheby's the Russian Museum buys a Mona Lisa for 100000000000, and you also frame the amount and say it's not art???? And pop music? And you will never go to see it (the Gioconda is not important in this case)?
In the abstract, you know how much I would love to go on expeditions if my native state paid for all this. If a person is selling some of their fees to raise money for their next trip, rather than sitting with their hands folded and waiting by the sea for the weather, I will shake their hand. Or do you still rely on our government? So after all, life can pass. There are people who are engaged in their own region, and there are those on a global scale. And what, excuse me, alternative means can you offer them? Let's create a foundation? But something tells me that in fact, very few people will want to pay fees there to help each other and get rid of "this". Will you pay?

This post was edited by Entoterra - 27.09.2010 19: 08

Let's create a foundation? But something tells me that in fact, very few people will want to pay fees there to help each other and get rid of "this".

It seems that you are not very aware of how such organizations work in the civilized world, for example, in Canada and South Africa. There, patrons are introduced to the board of trustees of museums or national collections. They see full reports every year on where their money is going. Memorial plaques can be placed inside and outside the building. Of course, this applies to really rich people (millionaires).
Another way to help, the establishment of annual scholarships or grants in your name. As a rule, these are travel grants for visiting the museum 1-4 people a year or going on an expedition.
The treasurer of the Canadian National Collection regularly showed me receipts with donations for $ 1,000 - $ 20,000 from businessmen and farmers who were really interested in protecting and exploring their country's fauna.

And what is it?

These are paratypes. Which the Bolsheviks have been talking about for so long-see above. I wonder if "paratypes " and" parascience " are consonant-by chance?

see above.

That is, not above, but in some other topic they were talking about. Well, it doesn't matter.

Prices are known to everyone who wants to know them. My prices came from a person from the forum on a personal account. I don't think it's correct to post the email and name. Plus, the letter hinted to me that you don't need to go there yourself - people make money. Anything can happen.
Imagine, I have heard something about zoogeography, but it implies that it is impossible to catch an ornithopter in the mountains of Kyrgyzstan (even by accident). But you can catch Parnassus there! You can hide a dot or write incomplete labels. Only this is all not for the sake of science, but for the sake of money. And Davydovi was a gold mine.
If you don't mind, please indicate where you can find Davydovi's search history. I think it will be interesting and informative for many people.
The fact that it was caught this year by competitors (again a business word) I hope will lead to lower prices and only.
I didn't put any labels on anyone other than a BUSINESSMAN. And in this case, it's not even a business - it's speculation and unearned income. If you don't believe me, please contact the tax service and they will explain everything to you.
And stop being ironic about those who don't share your opinion.It seems that everyone but you are zeros and fools. And then we'll get to a complete mess.

Amazing! IN THE CIVILIZED WORLD! What's all this about Canada and South Africa??? Do you get anything from similar organizations in Russia? Or maybe you've heard of similar practices in Eastern European countries? I personally communicate with several oligarch collectors. And people who know me will not let you lie how many times I tried unsuccessfully to beat them out of money for "science". A friend and I worked hard to get enough money for Schintelmeister to come to Moscow to work with crested and volnyankami (in Russia, alas, there are no specialists). As a result, there are more than 20 new taxa for crested birds alone.
It's only a drop in the bucket. The person collected more than 200 thousand. moths, and I have to persuade him to give me money to invite specialists to work with the collection. Is this normal? What are you talking about?
Our oligarchs do NOT GIVE money for natural sciences! Here, nanotechnology-please. Therefore, I would be very happy to see such an organization in Russia, but alas.... We're not that civilized. As for grants, you yourself know how and to whom they often go and what they are spent on, don't you?

I wonder if "Lucky Paratype dealer" is a compliment or an excuse for a fight?

I wonder if "Lucky Paratype dealer" is a compliment or an excuse for a fight?

Depends on your point of view...

I wonder if "Lucky Paratype dealer" is a compliment or an excuse for a fight?

Yes, in my opinion, this is not a reason at all. This is everyone's business. For example, I buy paratypes, and someone else sells them. So what's the big deal? It may be better to criticize those who include 2000 copies in the standard series, rather than those who sell them. You never know what a person's situation is, and we stigmatize him in advance. Maybe he spends his whole life saving up for an expedition to some "lost world" known only to him, to make his discovery, and for this he sells what he bought somewhere else.

This post was edited by Entoterra - 27.09.2010 19: 43