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30.03.2012 16:18, Penzyak

And where can I read this edition? And are there any apollons in the Voronezh Region?
Yes, by the way, I read that penalties for protected species have grown enormously - moreover, if caught in protected areas, this is many times 2 or even 4 times !!!

30.03.2012 16:25, vasiliy-feoktistov

30.03.2012 17:09, niyaz

And where can I read this edition? And are there any apollons in the Voronezh Region?


http://herba.msu.ru/shipunov/school/books/...obl_2011_2.djvu
In the red book of Apollo there is.

30.03.2012 18:20, Вишняков Алексей

  http://herba.msu.ru/shipunov/school/books/...obl_2011_2.djvu

Rhagium sycophanta (Schrank, 1781)
Status. Category 1 endangered species.
Distribution. European part of Russia south of the forest zone,
forest-steppe, Europe. In the Voronezh Region, it is currently known from
the Novousmansky district; according to data from 50 years ago, it was indicated for Verkhnekhavsky and Borisoglebsky districts.

Last year, we caught two specimens in the Thorn Forest.

Cerambyx scopolii.
Status. Category 1 endangered species.
Distribution. European part of Russia from the forest zone
to the Caucasus, Crimea, Europe, Front Asia, North. Africa. In the Voronezh
Region, it is known from Bobrovsky, Borisoglebsky, Novokhopersky
districts and the ROC. Voronezh.

More than 5 copies were also caught there.

The quality of images in the coleoptera section is terrible. There are practically no straightened beetles. Many have no legs. How can this be done? confused.gif
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30.03.2012 18:28, Wild Yuri

And where can I read this edition? And are there any apollons in the Voronezh Region?

There are two Apollo males in the collection of the Voronezh Nature Reserve, captured in 1929. His entomologist Viktor Yemets told me that there was a population of apollo in those years in the area of the central estate. In 1982, a female apollo was captured by Voronezh collector Yuri Gribkov near the village of Shilovo. Apollo is also listed in one brochure about Khrenovsky bor-a photo of a male from 1962. I think that Apollo once lived in the Voronezh Region, and it is possible to catch migrants from Tambov today.
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30.03.2012 19:20, Wild Yuri

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Arion lives in the Liskinsky district not only in the village of Divnogorye, but in the Ostrogozhsky district it is not known to the author (here already one D. V,Dubrovsky) at all. In general, single very local points pulled out "from the fool" within biotopically rather monotonous areas produce a simply comical impression and do not allow us to take the CC HE seriously.

It is worth scolding them, of course, for laziness in presenting information (I know that they have more than "on paper"), but there is no need to arrange a public trial of these persons. There are far more deserving ones. Check out the Red Butterfly Books of the Rostov region http://www.doncomeco.ru/redbook/catalogue/div1/div12/div17/, Smolenskaya http://www.redbook67.ru/nasekomie/page/2/ and some others. Their compilers deserve much more credit! smile.gif The Red Book of Butterflies of the Voronezh Region was left quite correctly, being one of the most objective insects in this order in Russia. I understand that it is pleasant to criticize (and sometimes useful smile.gif), but let's choose the "most worthy of the worthy" for this purpose. If such a conversation has already started...

30.03.2012 20:11, vasiliy-feoktistov

I received a refusal from Mr. Dubrovsky to send me pdf articles with rather provocative statements, including showing that this gentleman is better oriented in my expeditions than I am. I would never have thought that the young candidate is also a psychic smile.gif

Stas, don't be surprised: many people tend to cast bronze monuments in their lifetime.
It's not from a big mind. And such people can only sympathize.
I was just honestly shocked by this topic URL #197.
You guys, I'm sorry to interrupt being just an amateur. But some rotten shit got up here and it makes me feel sick.

30.03.2012 20:35, А.Й.Элез

It is worth scolding them, of course, for laziness in presenting information (I know that they have more than "on paper"), but there is no need to arrange a public trial of these persons. There are far more deserving ones. Check out the Red Butterfly Books of the Rostov region http://www.doncomeco.ru/redbook/catalogue/div1/div12/div17/, Smolenskaya http://www.redbook67.ru/nasekomie/page/2/ and some others. Their compilers deserve much more credit! smile.gif The Red Book of Butterflies of the Voronezh Region was left quite correctly, being one of the most objective insects in this order in Russia. I understand that it is pleasant to criticize (and sometimes useful smile.gif), but let's choose the "most worthy of the worthy" for this purpose. If such a conversation has already started...
In response to the harsh statement addressed to the Voronezh comrades, unfortunately, their side opened its own abscess, forcing the opposite side to argue in detail about the critical assessments expressed. Forced, I must say, also very harsh attacks and also not without a "public trial"; the difference is that the criticism of Voronezh is quite specific (both in this topic and in "Eversmannia") and starts from the texts, and the answers at first were very sharp personal in nature, and now they have slipped to the level of recognition of "laziness in the presentation" (?) and requests at least not to arrange a "public trial of these persons", because they are not the worst in the Russian Federation. Bravo.

"Such a conversation" was about Voronezh, not Rostov, and I did not work in the Rostov region. Everything would have been fine, but after T. MisterXus 'sharp, unrighteous anger, it became impossible to refrain from commenting on certain specific works just because there are always worse works in the world and there is no limit to the" perfection " of hackery. In science, criticism would never arise, because the worst is always not written yet.

The incantations about literacy and objectivity, which can be explained in a comradely way, could have been accepted if the specific comments made here had been refuted before, which are absolutely incompatible with the thesis about literacy of the KK HE, and "one of the most objective... in Russia" - and at all dubious praise. We already know the Russian CC's. But the topic raised specific questions in a specific connection, and no search was conducted, and who would be the most bad here to take and criticize for the sake of" pleasantness "and"sometimes usefulness". Thank you for the Rostov link, but if you have any reason to criticize the residents of Rostov, I will read your comments with interest. I also mentioned the Quality Control System here in connection with the conversation about the quality of Voronezh work, and it is better to discuss any special quality control systems in the appropriate topic.

30.03.2012 20:38, MisterXus

Once again, I am amazed at how convenient and easy it is to blame a person.
There will always be arguments and arguments, and from the outside it may seem that in fact he is quite an idiot. From here, in order.
You're scolding the cadastre. Has anyone ever done something like this ? I don't mean any of you. Anyone at all ?? No one did. There are 800 pages of a collective monograph of specialists from all universities and research institutes related to entomology in the Voronezh Region. Do something similar yourself if the sphincter doesn't crack. And then we will review your work in the same way. In KK " only 2 points of pigeons perinaikus ? There must be more" There are no more of these dots !!! Go and find it if you can. This is a local creature tied to the Kozo-Polyansky (again local) breach. Save this verbiage for amateurs. We indicate the points where a particular species was specifically marked. Guessing on coffee grounds "where an oak tree should be a marshmallow" is not a scientific approach. The whole of Yakutia is overgrown with Gorodkov's tuft, and for some reason the arcticus is not found everywhere. Ask Wild Yuri. There is a find – there is a point. No means no. We have plenty of stations suitable for Apollo to inhabit, but there isn't one, even though there was one. So, A. J. Elz, these points are all not from the fool, but from the fact.
In continuation of the CC topic. Take a look at the CC of the Moscow region, the rarest moth and scoops occupy 70 % of the lepidopterofauna of the Red Book. Many of them are distinguishable from each other only by their genetics. Isn't that crazy ? You can get ready for anything.
My price list was posted for everyone to see. By the way, it turned out somehow sneaky, although I do not hide it. Apollo was seen. By the way, I tried to relocate the Apollons from the Tambov Region to the Voronezh Region, as the amateur entomologist Mozgovoy from Pavlovsk is trying to do. But Apollo doesn't take root. Even where it used to be found.
Here Korb writes a lot about me. Let me write about Korb. Why can you all do it and I can't ? That's what I want, too.
This "luminary" in his article "Evolution of the wing pattern, the main effect and taxonomy issues of sailboats of the subspecies Parnassius staudingeri A. Bang-Haas, 1882 (Lepidoptera, Papilionidae) Altai Zoological Journal issue 4, 2010" discusses the evolution of the wing pattern and on this basis describes new subspecies and species. He got so carried away that from one of the Anzob passes (a thoroughly beaten place), he identified three species at once and described their subspecies: Parnassius infernalis alapaevi (Korb, 2010), Parnassius jacobsoni khonarkht (Korb, 2010), and he has nothing against Parnassius staudingeri hissaricus, which has always been there. That is, all three of them fly there at the same time. Parnassius jacobsoni khonarkht (Korb, 2010) was described from 8 males and ZERO females; Parnassius infernalis alapaevi (Korb, 2010) was also described from 5 males and ZERO females. Material from Tsvetaev's collections in 1965. And all according to the wing pattern. Yes, what a good fellow ! Collected, collected Tsvetaev, but overlooked. And Korb, who has passed off the variability as a species, is ready to make a sensation. And surely they don't cross there on the Anzobah. A truly unique place. The genital preparation is not listed. There are no photos, just hand-drawn images. I am already silent about the fact that the nearest known point of Parnassius jacobsoni is located from Anzob, where Korbovsky P. jacobsoni khonarkht flies 700 km in the Western Pamirs, Anzob is the Hissar cr. It's as CRAZY as if the Parnassius autocrator was flying an Anzobah. In hissaricus, as in many other staudingeri, the variability is frenzied. You obviously want to make some money, sir rhapalocera.com !!! So that's not all ! In the same article, he describes the VIEW !!! A NEW SPECIES-Parnassius shaposhnikovi (Korb, 2010) from three males collected in 1971 without a female, without giving a genitalia pattern. I then looked at the holotype – it is a ragged mess and this is clearly the variability of the subspecies Parnassius jacobsoni morgomir described in the same article (by the way, it is quite valid in my opinion). Is it your professionalism that you're salivating about ?? By the way rhapalocera.com he also doesn't have a degree, as he proudly told me. The next article will bring your stillborn Parnassius shaposhnikovi to a synonym ! Tell Shaposhnikov so. Where is the analysis, zoogeography, macroevolution you ask ? You will have everything at once !!!
And I advise you to do at least something other than pouring out feces in your life !!!
Dear trolls, I really got all this negativity. I want a constructive dialogue, and almost every post reeks of dead meat a mile away. Spring aggravation, probably.

30.03.2012 21:14, Andrey.A.

  http://herba.msu.ru/shipunov/school/books/...obl_2011_2.djvu

In addition to the poor quality of images, some of them do not belong to the types that are shown:
Meloe cicatricosus Leach, 1811 - Meloe proscarabaeus
picture: p0194.jpg
Meloe tuccius Rossi, 1792-just like Meloe cicatricosus
picture: p0196.jpg

30.03.2012 21:29, А.Й.Элез

There will always be arguments and arguments, and from the outside it may seem that in fact he is quite an idiot... Do something similar yourself if the sphincter doesn't crack. And then we will review your work in the same way... And I advise you to do at least something other than pouring out feces in your life !!! ...I want a constructive dialogue...
It is visible. Well, I'll try to answer what I have to answer.
Do something similar yourself if the sphincter doesn't crack. And then we will review your work in the same way.
And we will protect the sphincter e r, remembering the proverb: if you don't want to s...t - don't torment f ... u. No one forces you to take on great works that don't have enough gunpowder. Therefore, either you don't need to do it, or you need to do it conscientiously. Then and ob.... t you evidently, with quotes in hand, no one can.
In KK " only 2 points of pigeons perinaikus ? There must be more" There are no more of these dots !!! Go and find it if you can.
See my photo reports about fishing in Ostrogozhsky district in the topic "Fishing reports". If you can. There n i r e naicus is a locally very numerous species. I know several locations there. For the Pyrenaicus, I did not make assumptions, but stated a fact. If you are preparing a new edition, you are welcome to ask for accurate information.
We indicate the points where a particular species was specifically marked. Guessing on coffee grounds "where an oak tree should be a marshmallow" is not a scientific approach.
Did anyone suggest this? They simply expressed bewilderment about the extremely small survey of the red-listed region. The authors of the article on marshmallows expressed confidence not in the presence of marshmallows on every oak tree, but in the apparent disregard of huge areas of oak growth. It's not the same thing. But for the Pyrenaicus-there I really had not an assumption, but numerous concrete finds. Which accordingly correct your version of the strong locality of its forage plant.
There is a find – there is a point.
And so in a few favorite points, like the village of Soldatsky, together fly to smoke views that are not indicated in other (actually ordinary) places of their own? Not possible. The authors ' principle was quite clearly the opposite: if there is a point (i.e., if you happen to stop by) , there is a find. But they were too lazy to get there - and were left in the dark about the presence of the species. Rather than be indignant in such a situation, it is better to check my version then, travel seriously around the region (if this does not contradict more important plans), and you will see how many more finds are waiting for you. If there are points , there will also be finds.
Save this verbiage for amateurs.
With this kind advice, I now conclude my message with good reason.

30.03.2012 21:36, А.Й.Элез

Rhagium sycophanta (Schrank, 1781)
Status. Category 1 endangered species.
Distribution. European part of Russia south of the forest zone,
forest-steppe, Europe. In the Voronezh Region, it is currently known from
the Novousmansky district; according to data from 50 years ago, it was indicated for Verkhnekhavsky and Borisoglebsky districts.

Last year, we caught two specimens in the Thorn Forest.

Cerambyx scopolii.
Status. Category 1 endangered species.
Distribution. European part of Russia from the forest zone
to the Caucasus, Crimea, Europe, Front Asia, North. Africa. In the Voronezh
Region, it is known from Bobrovsky, Borisoglebsky, Novokhopersky
districts and the ROC. Voronezh.

More than 5 copies were also caught there.
Scopoli and I celebrated two consecutive seasons in the Thorn Forest. And not only me.

30.03.2012 21:37, MisterXus

A. Y. Elez, this is a different conversation. All these problems are not new. They always have been and always will be. And this, by the way, applies not only to the Voronezh Region, but also to everyone. If you have any information that you are ready to share on the Voronezh Region, I would be grateful.

30.03.2012 21:43, Лавр Большаков

MisterXus
Member



yesterday, 23: 19
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I immediately have a complaint to Bolshakov. You here potyavkivayut that Vodyanov and Dubrovsky such mediocre entomologists..... Have you ever read their dissertations ? Do you even know what they are talking about to accuse them of insolvency ?
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Yes, I did. These dissertations are falsifications, especially on specks. After all, this is clearly shown in the review. And not a single expert on moths takes your scribbles into account due to the extraordinary abundance of fantastic data.
In Volyanov's dissertation, some cadastral blunders were cleaned up, but some still remained. And about outright lies already mentioned above.
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Mistakes are not made by those who do nothing ! And everyone is good at criticizing ! …..In your article about the inventory in your own journal of the name of yourself-a loved one, you say "it should be there, but they don't have it". What do you mean it should be??
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Well, let's assume that they saw it and published it in the same year. In Vodianov's dissertation, everything that "should be" suddenly appeared. But there's something that shouldn't be there. So ignorant, I couldn't really rip it off
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I can speak for myself about the dissertation. My topic is "Fauna and ecology of moths of the Voronezh region". The accuracy of the definition was confirmed by Elena Antonova, with whom I spoke very closely on the topic of my work. If you have no respect for me personally, which, by the way, is mutual, then have respect for her memory. Or does Antonova's competence also raise questions for you ? I had to tackle the topic almost from scratch when I was still a third-year student. We have not studied the moth in the region at all. I found 128 new types for the region. And whether this work is worthy or not, you were decided earlier in VAKA.
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What a blatant lie! You've been to Antonova's a couple of times. Yes, she identified about 120 species for you – and by the way, not all of them are new. There were works both in the 19th century and in the early 20th century. You and Negrobov wrote your article with these 120 views without her co-authorship, which violated your personal agreement with her! She expressed her indignation at you to me! And only out of respect for Negrobov, and for health reasons, I did not contact him. And in the Cadastre, for the sake of the heap, you have sucked out of your finger many dozens of species of not only moths, but also scoops, including those that do not exist in Russia at all! It's just that Koch's pictures aren't very good, so you mistook alpine and subtropical views for local ones. Such a large-scale profanity has never been seen in the history of Russian entomology.
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Besides, you didn't just run over us. You have questioned the level of the Department of Invertebrate Ecology and Taxonomy at VSU. I am sure that Oleg Pavlovich Negrobov would gladly subject you to the most severe obstruction, if he had the opportunity. That is, an entire department (including Prof. Golub V. B.) raised and pushed two idiots, and the great Bolshakov fancied himself Batman and denounced everyone. You have delusions of grandeur !
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Yes, I was happy to demonstrate on your example what scoundrels are "raised" in this department without any control. And it's good that in the end, all your nonsense didn't get any further development. Even in the theses of the 13th REO Congress, you were thrown out as co-authors, and a normal specialist was hired. And Negrobov may become smarter in his old age – he will think about how to bring out crooks to the degree, but also put himself as a co-author with them. And as for Golub V. B., he is well engaged in bedbugs and does not go to co-authors in unfamiliar groups – he has nothing to do with it.
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At the moment, I'm interested in daily data high mountains of Central Asia. ……………..Priokhotye). And what can you brag about ??? Worn pants ?........We also described at the end of last year a new subspecies Parnassius staudingeri rudra Vodjanov & Dubrovskiy 2011 from Tajikistan..... 3 more new subspecies of Colias in development and 2 new subspecies of erebia from Kamchatka.
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Yes, no one takes your "descriptions" seriously – they have a direct path to synonyms – such superficial laymen cannot stand close to Churkin and others who work in those regions. Except to put it on the bursa-but this is not a science – everyone already understands this. They probably don't buy your "subspecies"anymore.
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All this is written to defend your good name before the entomological community. I don't need to justify myself to the marginal Bolshakov. In polite society, such words are beaten in the face. But I'm afraid Grandpa Mazai is too old to challenge him to a duel. He's like a smoldering firebrand. It can't burn, and it doesn't want to go out, so all it does is stink.
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Your "good name" is already irrevocably tarnished. If you can't manage the Voronezh Region – where can you go in Tajikistan? You will be able to justify yourself to the community only when your material is redefined by specialists and put into scientific circulation in a normal way – and for now there is no demand for it. It remains to live with the reputation of a forger.
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30.03.2012 22:13, swerig

Tell Shaposhnikov so.

And this one got lol.gif

30.03.2012 22:40, Wild Yuri

Thank you for the Rostov link, but if you have any reason to criticize the residents of Rostov, I will read your comments with interest.

Master's opinion on Rostov butterflies: http://savesteppe.org/ru/archives/2805. A well-known field entomologist. He knows the local entomofauna very well. I also fished in the Rostov region. I agree with him on most points.
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30.03.2012 22:45, MisterXus

Filter the bazaar ! I'm not going to be too lazy to come and have a heart-to-heart talk with you about your indecent behavior.

30.03.2012 22:47, MisterXus

And I advise Lavr Bolshakov not to invent fables and not to mention the name of a person who is not with us in the press. You don't use a pretty method.

31.03.2012 1:48, А.Й.Элез

Master's opinion on Rostov butterflies: http://savesteppe.org/ru/archives/2805. A well-known field entomologist. He knows the local entomofauna very well. I also fished in the Rostov region. I agree with him on most points.
OK, thank you, and I mostly agree, but with this, if you need it, it's better to go to a special topic about QC, there is one.
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31.03.2012 9:57, Лавр Большаков

MisterXus
Member
29.03.2012 23: 19 URL #191
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..... I am sure that Oleg Pavlovich Negrobov would gladly subject you to the most severe obstruction, if he had such an opportunity.......
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Yes, he was looking for such an opportunity, there were people from the Voronezh department at both ZMMSU and ZIN with questions - but they were politely explained to them that I did not write a review just like that, but expressed the general opinion of experts, and did it even if "impolitely", but correctly. And in the bottom line-the kindest Oleg Pavlovich did not become an academician. This is your only "achievement".
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31.03.2012 11:19, kvoncstu

Dear colleagues!
Abstracting away from polemics that are not always correct, but are essentially interesting and very important. I come to the opinion that in faunal lists, a table should be given with the species indication in one column, and in the column next to it - the authors of publications and the date with hyperlinks (in the list of references) to files of copies of works. The volume increases dramatically, but this is not so significant for the www. And in the journal publication, you should specify the path to the electronic version (sites, addresses of file-sharing resources), as they do in a number of foreign journals with reference to Complementary Data sources. These publications will remain after us, and we will be judged by our content, not by personal preferences or emotional outbursts.
Burdened, which I hope doesn't get in the way.

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31.03.2012 11:20, Choiskat

Lavra Bolshakov:Do you really think you have a moral right to behave like this?I do not justify your young opponent(but at least he has an excuse-you provoked him to such a harsh response with your rudeness, which you call "somewhat impolite behavior", but you seem to be applying for the role of "master"?)
Who are you, personally?The ultimate truth?Head of the Entomology Department in Penza?Doctor of Science?An academic?
So why did you imagine that you could talk like this about "the kindest Oleg Pavlovich", who was screwed with an academic title?What do you know about this,apart from rumors and gossip?Did you attend a council meeting?
Stop pushing your price tag and dropping guano into the ether. Once again, I am not an expert in entomology,but from a purely human point of view,your behavior exposes you:a boor, an envious person and a squabbler.
There are complaints to your colleagues-solve them in a civilized manner, at conferences, in compliance with professional ethics, and not with the help of this sracha.

31.03.2012 12:05, Choiskat

Not true.Go back to the beginning of this "discussion" - it started with an observer of all departments(we started with Kaluga,finished with Voronezh, and moved on to the personalities of people with whom I personally know, which is why I intervened.).And on Negrobov your Laurel walked on other branches(something personal seems..).And then:he is like some kind of Woland, was present everywhere and knows everything down to the smallest detail(this one says that he was in close contact with Antonova,and your Laurel is peremptory-"only 2 times"..Did Antonova report to the Lavr about her contacts and meetings?). And yet:those whom he shits, do not consider it necessary to enter into a polemic with him(I imagine Negrobov or the most intelligent Kostya Vodyanov would throw poop with him!)-they just don't read all his opuses,and they wouldn't have answered them ..The young man's nerves gave out-and I understand him..I couldn't help myself-what kind of "high style" Scammers, scoundrels,scoundrels. Young is right:sometimes you have to fight for your honor.

31.03.2012 12:10, swerig

. Young is right:sometimes you have to fight for your honor.

Yes, it is not necessary to fight, you need to show that a person is engaged in science. And he is seriously engaged, since he is at the place and at the degree.
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31.03.2012 12:19, Лавр Большаков

Choiskat
today, 12: 20 URL #258
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Lavra Bolshakov:Do you really think you have a moral right to behave like this?I do not justify your young opponent(but at least he has an excuse-you provoked him to such a harsh response with your rudeness, which you call "somewhat impolite behavior", but you seem to be applying for the role of "master"?)
Who are you, personally?The ultimate truth?Head of the Entomology Department in Penza?Doctor of Science?Academician?
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Entomological science - not the army, not the police there is no veneration here; there is veneration for SPECIALISTS, but not for degrees. If necessary, both the doctor and the academician will easily be lowered from the sky to the ground. But a normal doctor of science (and even a good candidate) usually does not get into such situations, and if he is mistaken, then he does not have to be "impolitely" corrected, he will either quickly correct himself, or say thank you for suggesting it. .And for "wild boars" who do not observe scientific ethics and almost openly buy degrees in completely inappropriate places (in this case, at the department where there are no specialists in lepidoptera), we, unlike the department, have a"slingshot".

31.03.2012 12:30, Choiskat

You're completely mad..Accuse people of "buying and selling" an academic degree??Do you have any proof other than your verbiage?And how does entomological science differ from other areas of biological science that no one tells you?and no one is an authority?What can you say to a person with a professorship who has his own school: "you are a thief, a salesman, and your students are crooks?"
Come to your senses,if you are brought to justice-your case is lost..I even began to sympathize with you(megalomania is obvious!).You are lucky that most of the serious people you are so self-consciously reviling here do not read such resources(lack of time, however- " they bake fake dissertations!")-your statements are not just incorrect,they defile honor and dignity.For this all over the civilized world are judged

31.03.2012 12:41, swerig

And he doesn't like Shaposhnikov.

Filter the bazaar !

MisterXus! So tell us the reason for your dislike for Shaposhnikov! Only honestly and with details!
it reeks of dead things a mile away.

It stinks horribly!

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31.03.2012 12:41, Лавр Большаков

Choiskat
today, 13: 05 URL #260
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Did Antonova report to the Lavr about her contacts and meetings?)
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I didn't "report back", but I did share - I was on average once a month in the ZM all the 90s and early 2000s. After all, she was planning a generalizing work on European Russia, and everyone who could helped her. But no one (except for the only Voronezh resident) allowed himself to publish the material she defined without co-authoring with her, but with the co-authorship of the "chief"who does not understand anything about butterflies.
And now I visit the ZM, but less often, once every 1.5 months. All the lists of material that E. M. defined are there, and the archive is intact. For those who are interested, it may be useful for history.
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31.03.2012 12:47, Choiskat

This is your word, against the word of your opponent(Antonova can't testify?).And given your general level of culture(crooks-thieves-swindlers-incompetents!) let me remain of the opinion that this is a muddy business.

31.03.2012 12:59, Choiskat

I hope that you,indeed, so often traveled to the ZM with a "scientific" purpose in terms of" helping " Antonova.Because judging by the degree of your knowledge of a certain kind, you have collected all the near-scientific gossip and rumors...Maybe this was the true purpose of your trips?
And you kick Negrobov even unconsciously(on pokorka!), here even in the last post-"the boss who doesn't know anything about butterflies".Actually, he does have a different range of interests in insects..However:what exactly is THIS wording for?And what does his age have to do with it?Is it just that you don't call him grandpa?
What did he do to you?Did you take a young woman away?

31.03.2012 13:00, Choiskat

In these "archives" will she "share" with you about the bad Voronezh residents and their vile boss?

31.03.2012 13:17, Choiskat

I don't see the connection..after all,it was announced that Antonova "shared" something with Lavr?Like a bad Voronezh colleague did something wrong?Something about co-authorship?Are you sure about this?What was it that offended her to such an extent that she "shared" with a Penza" normal " amateur who does not recognize anyone's authority?
In general, I put an end to it.I'm tired of it.
Dear entomolgi!Respect each other..in the name of their science.At least.

31.03.2012 13:42, Choiskat

The question is not in Dubrovsky.And not even in the degree of competence of the entire Voronezh Department of entomology(read my first post)
And in the level of discussion on the part of Mr. Bolshakov.
Again, I resent the tone in which he allows himself to judge everything..Labels that he puts on his colleagues.
And his accusations (assumptions) are simply beyond the pale.

31.03.2012 13:57, Лавр Большаков

Choiskat
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The question is not in Dubrovsky.And not even in the degree of competence of the entire Voronezh Department of entomology(read my first post)
And in the level of discussion on the part of Mr. Bolshakov.
Again, I resent the tone in which he allows himself to judge everything..Labels that he puts on his colleagues.
And his accusations (assumptions) are simply beyond the pale.
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Dear friend, don't take it personally.
I do not "talk" to my colleagues in this way, but to those who join our industry for selfish purposes and at the same time do it very, very clumsily. Academic degrees have long been a marketable commodity, as have butterflies and other natural curiosities. For God's sake, buy and sell dissertations, but do it within the framework of ethics: do not plagiarize, do not steal information from those who share it, do not lie too much, or confuse the tracks so that no one understands anything. And when the lies go through the roof - what kind of "respect" is there-the dissertation council does not withdraw its conclusion, you have to open your eyes.

31.03.2012 16:22, Юстус

I live on a simple schedule: 8-00-wake up, from 9-00 to 17-00-work "for money"

I understand that the comical-looking "attacks" of "amateurs" on "professionals" will continue indefinitely.
In the course went "like, arguments": "rise - at 8.00; work "for money" - from 9.00". However, the intrigue remains-it remains unknown: when-brushing your teeth, breakfast, "poop", etc. (tactfully silent about "sex")?

This post was edited by Justus - 31.03.2012 16: 26

31.03.2012 16:27, Choiskat

I agree with Justus..
And,indeed, what are Bolshakov's colleagues with Negrobov and his students??Does the former even have a biology degree?

31.03.2012 16:53, Юстус

do you also need a schedule for washing my underpants?

I meant (in the" good " sense of these phrases) that the time of your "getting up", as well as the time of "going to bed", is superfluous here. Do you think anyone is interested in this?
Having eyes read it: "this" is not an argument. What's your underwear got to do with it?
Although it's also funny: washing your underwear "on schedule"...

31.03.2012 17:17, swerig

I understand that the comical-looking "attacks" of "amateurs" on "professionals" will continue indefinitely.
In the course went "like, arguments": "rise - at 8.00; work "for money" - from 9.00".

Another professional came in. Hush! Learn Korean Boeings and don't talk.
They were tortured by empty professionals.

This post was edited by swerig - 31.03.2012 17: 17

31.03.2012 17:30, swerig

And,indeed, what are Bolshakov's colleagues with Negrobov and his students??Does the former even have a biology degree?

Please explain why a person far from entomology goes to bursa in Prague and Paris! Or is this a special event for everyone at VSU

This post was edited by swerig - 03/31/2012 17: 38

31.03.2012 18:05, Bad Den

And he doesn't like Shaposhnikov. And I even know why.
Give such a person a machine gun in his hands - he will shoot the fuck out of all his "competitors" without hesitation. Loot for this generation of Russian citizens is more important than all the other values put together.

Stas, the automatic machine is illegal smile.gif
As far as I know, Mr. Dubrovsky offered to go to Tajikistan as part of a soy group with a small condition - all caught butterflies of A1 quality are left to him. Otherwise, the person is handed over to local law enforcement/customs authorities.
"Business is war" (Japanese proverb)


to swerig: Dim, thank you for reminding smile.gifme - an interesting publication about the Korean Boeing (a lot of letters are outlined): http://kob.su/content/sakhalinskii-intsidi...-mishiel-chitat
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