Third International Congress of the Forum

I fully support you!
We need to get ready and gather people to plan.
2-3 days will be just enough to hang out, change clothes, and walk around the fields fishing. Also, if one person can't do it on one day, they can do it on another.. (let's hope)
The time is better to assume August-it is easier to go on vacation and the hunting season is almost over )

You can also view the option with some village, if any, with empty houses, so that you can negotiate with the residents at a normal price to stay..

It's a good idea. I like the time of July or, better, August. Technical issues, as it is not sad, will have to be solved by our hospitable Muscovites....

Very good idea! If I hit the right time , I'll be happy to join you! But I still have no idea when I'm going to go to Russia here...

So, Muscovites still only read, and nonresidents speak out with might and main.Well, I'm going to go out on Pavel (Morozzz).

Yes, most likely the time of the event is August.RippeR прав

Great idea. I missed the first two exits, I won't miss this one for sure

I will be happy to support you and, for my part, I am ready to take on some of the organizational issues. I will see Morozzz on Tuesday and will definitely raise this issue! In general, the idea is also remarkable because, unlike bursas in Europe, our conventions initially have an exclusively non-commercial, friendly-party orientation, and this feature, in my opinion, distinguishes them favorably, and I am sure that this form of communication will attract more and more guests to us, including from far away! And about August-absolutely right! At the end of the season, there are always more topics for communication! In general, I propose to hold the Catocala sport fishing championship (with orientation on the terrain) within the framework of the congress
It also seems to me that it is necessary to hold an event in nature, for 2 days or more. I can offer you a place in district D.Nikiforovo and Zibrovo, near the border of the PTZ. There I have a house in the ribbon oak grove. We may not fit everything, but all the city amenities will be close by. There is a place to put up tents. There are amazing landscapes all around. The place is well-known and iconic for most Moscow entomologists.

I can offer you a place in district D.Nikiforovo and Zibrovo, near the border of the PTZ. There I have a house in the ribbon oak grove.

Will a car with a low landing pass there?

This post was edited by Bad Den-12/14/2008 01: 56

Entoterra:
if the house is near the PTZ, then I am ready to live in a tent for the sake of a good congress )

I will be happy to support you and, for my part, I am ready to take on some of the organizational issues. I will see Morozzz on Tuesday and will definitely raise this issue! In general, the idea is also remarkable because, unlike bursas in Europe, our conventions initially have an exclusively non-commercial, friendly-party orientation, and this feature, in my opinion, distinguishes them favorably, and I am sure that this form of communication will attract more and more guests to us, including from far away! And about August-absolutely right! At the end of the season, there are always more topics for communication! In general, I propose to hold the Catocala sport fishing championship (with orientation on the terrain) within the framework of the congress
It also seems to me that it is necessary to hold an event in nature, for 2 days or more. I can offer you a place in district D.Nikiforovo and Zibrovo, near the border of the PTZ. There I have a house in the ribbon oak grove. We may not fit everything, but all the city amenities will be close by. There is a place to put up tents. There are amazing landscapes all around. The place is well-known and iconic for most Moscow entomologists.

Thank you so much!!!
The house is great,but people are expected to be more than 20 people, or even more than 30.There may be people from abroad(not Russian-speaking), and put them in tents....Yes, and there will be ladies.It was not without reason that I raised the idea of a recreation center, not a boarding house,not a sanatorium,not with the private sector.
Further, the event is still held not in the living room, but in the club (those are available at the bases).It is advisable to find a base 40 km away. a zone from Moscow that would be close.Here you would look at such a database there
"In general, I propose to hold the Catocala sport fishing championship (with orientation on the terrain) within the framework of the congress"- great event.Let's think about the prizes.
Well," The place is famous and iconic for most Moscow entomologists. " and not only Moscow-this is the apartment Morozzz'a
I am very grateful to you and hope for your help

Will a car with a low landing pass there?

Any car can pass by.

Unfortunately, I think that finding a base 40 km from Moscow for such money, which will satisfy everyone, is unlikely to work. (The price is based on the Soviet period opposite Nikiforovo, across the Oka River, with amenities on the street 1300 rubles per day..., no well, there are suites, of course..., and this is 110 km from Moscow..., and food, drinks?) After all, many forum members are still learning how to deal with this? The scholarship isn't enough for anything. They will politely refuse and get a congress of established entomologists and amateurs with a well-established financial situation, and this is not right, in my opinion. And then, go there 1 hour from Moscow by car, and as far as I know, there are cars. It's not a problem to find 6-7 cars, that's for sure. You can also take a bus directly from Moscow to Serpukhov, or to Nikiforovo. Well, there are such tents now... and many others.
We need to look for a mutually beneficial solution for everyone, so I encourage you to develop the topic actively! Maybe someone has familiar homeowners or something similar, with whom you can negotiate!
Unfortunately, the Moscow region is a very "aggressive" region and everything here has long been "stolen before us" and put on a super-commercial basis!

I'm not sure I can make it, but I'd like to.
I think that the best option will be really in tents.

I feel tin in the summer wakes up!

I support the idea for the congress in August!

[Well, "The place is famous and iconic for most Moscow entomologists." and not only Moscow-this is Morozzz's apartment
I am very grateful to you and hope for your help

Yes, what's true is true! And let's go to Frozz's first, and then we'll all go to nature. I can tell you for sure that he is incredibly hospitable, and his wonderful wife cooks so that ... just comments are unnecessary! Here's a surprise Morozzz-super!

My wife and I are happy to welcome the forum participants.
FROM PARTICIPANTS-A DRINK!!!
The place, however, will not be enough, well, nothing, it will be more fun!

As an option, my haza. Old-timers like Ripper and Dorcadion know. Now a two-room apartment, but not on Rublyovka - sad life circumstances.

As an option, my haza. Old-timers like Ripper and Dorcadion know. Now a two-room apartment, but not on Rublyovka - sad life circumstances.

"We will also be satisfied with a one-room apartment in Vykhino, there would be a place to gather!"

AlexEvs " I think that the best option will be really in tents. "
Morozzz" Place, however, will not be enough, well, nothing, it will be more fun!"
omar" As an option, my haza. Old-timers like Ripper and Dorcadion know. Now a two-room apartment, but not on Rublyovka - sad life circumstances."
Bad Den" will suit us and odnushka in Vykhino, there would be a place to gather!"

Aaaaaaa!!!!They screwed up the idea in the bud-yyyyyyy!!!!

And why, in fact, Moscow?

Other options are not considered at all?

And why, in fact, Moscow?

Other options are not considered at all?

It just so happens that most of them live in Moscow:
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=190868

This post was edited by Bad Den-12/15/2008 10: 08

Come on... I think there are places that are both more interesting and cheaper... and I can't agree that most of them live in Moscow... It's just that most of those present at the conventions live in Moscow... But I think it would be worth considering other options. (But I will also try to come to Moscow!!!)

This post was edited by Michail_M - 12/15/2008 10: 12

Come on... I think there are places that are both more interesting and cheaper... and I can't agree that most of them live in Moscow... It's just that most of those present at the conventions live in Moscow... But I think it would be worth considering other options. (But I will also try to come to Moscow!!!)

Still, it's more convenient in Moscow. And the people there are very hospitable...

This post was edited by alex 2611-12/15/2008 13: 08

Come on... I think there are places that are both more interesting and cheaper... and I can't agree that most of them live in Moscow... It's just that most of those present at the conventions live in Moscow... But I think it would be worth considering other options. (But I will also try to come to Moscow!!!)

See reference

I, too, still have a smouldering hope that over time, people will get tired of meeting in Moscow and each time the meeting place will change. Maybe even on the DV someday will bring. I really want to...

If the DV does not bring about the congress, then maybe we will come to catch, and then we will get together ))

Apartments are certainly not the same.. (

Really need some kind of base.. i.e. something where you can accommodate a lot of people who can simultaneously be in the same room, chat and change..

About Moscow-yes, this is the most convenient way to find Moscow most easily )
On the other hand, Moscow is the most expensive, and it is easier for Muscovites to go somewhere not far away than for everyone to go to Moscow, although this is not entirely true ))
On the other hand , if not in Moscow, then where.. don't know
And on the other hand - if not in Moscow, then in the Caucasus or in Kazakhstan or in the Carpathians (the latter is generally super, since there are a lot of not expensive bases and a lot of space for good fishing - you can make at least a week's vacation)

And why don't everyone stay in tents, in a field on some "neutral" territory (so as not to offend those who do not live in Moscow), interesting from an entomological point of view? It will be possible to combine communication with fishing. Just think about the dot.

And why don't everyone stay in tents, in a field on some "neutral" territory (so as not to offend those who do not live in Moscow), interesting from an entomological point of view? It will be possible to combine communication with fishing. Just think about the dot.

Nora?

And why don't everyone stay in tents, in a field on some "neutral" territory (so as not to offend those who do not live in Moscow), interesting from an entomological point of view? It will be possible to combine communication with fishing. Just think about the dot.

Because not all people can move tents.I can't imagine telling my friends from Germany and Belgium to come to the congress and live in tents in the field.In addition to the guests, my wife will not want such field conditions.And if it's raining,then it's out altogether.The idea of tents will immediately cut off a good percentage of participants.
As for our student youth, throwing away 150-200 rubles a month should be enough for the base.
Yesterday I looked at several databases on the Internet.So there was for 1350 rubles a day with 4 meals a day and a bunch of all sorts of gadgets.In short, quite fashionable.I'm sure it's much cheaper.I was told that it is quite possible to find it for 500 rubles a day without food with a summer kitchen.From gadgets, for those who wish, you can take a Russian bathhouse.

I agree with Thaler about tents (many may disagree...) but at the expense of other places... Maybe you should look in the neighboring regions (Kursk, Orel, Vladimir)? After all, it should be cheaper there, and Muscovites can get out not far... Are there any nature reserves there (so that someone has friends from the staff there)? We have, for example, the management of such organizations goes to meet such events, because there is always an opportunity for someone from specialists to check the collections, etc....
To the account of the Thaler's application for postponing 150 rubles per month for students... There's not enough money for that... this is his year to save for a hotel, and travel... For example, a ticket from Zaporozhye to Moscow currently costs about 1200 rubles (reserved seat), and this is not the limit... Here the student really needs to save up 300 rubles a month... and in connection with the crisis, they will also delay stependia... here the question is not unambiguous. We need to look for options.
I really liked it on the basis of the Voronezh University in Vinivitinovo... Maybe by the way you can find something like this... What kind of biological station...

to Michail_M: Venivitinovo is a good idea. We had a practice there last summer (botanical and entomological). The conditions there are quite tolerable, 3-bed wooden houses, there are also stone ones (of course, no one settled us students there). True, the amenities are on the street... There is a paid shower and a sauna. Feed, 3 times a day In a few steps from the camp-the clear river Usmanka. The base is 5 km from Voronezh, surrounded by a pine forest. There are not many insects in the vicinity of the station, but you can travel around the region (for example, it will not be too problematic to go to Divnogorye). In my opinion, it is more interesting to arrange an entomosezd in such a place than in a banal hackneyed Moscow region (or, even more so, in Moscow) ...

I read the topic and an idea was born.Since I am the director of a boarding school in the city of Kolchugino, Vladimir region, my proposal is as follows: somewhere in early August, as usual, there will be a school acceptance, but after this event I can invite everyone to visit, the boarding school is not a hotel, rooms are not separate (you will have to live in groups), but people will be accepted 40-50 is quite possible, accommodation is free!!!, you can arrange with the cook, since there is a dining room, but you will have to pay for food , and you will also have to pay for the cook's services. Excursions around the city can be organized, although in August you will not catch anything particularly interesting in our area. Getting from Moscow is not a problem, there are buses that I can meet too lazy in Aleksandrov, which Muscovites and arriving people will reach by train from Yaroslavsky railway station. The thought is sent, so to speak - think.

So, gradually came and sensible suggestions.But still, we need to get closer to Moscow.There will be nonresidents,it will not be easy for them to get their bearings in Moscow,and they will also go to a small town.But still-Thank you!!!Time is running out, offers are coming in,and the easiest thing to do is to choose

I think ssacad's suggestion is very sensible:
1. Alexandrov is not far from Moscow, it is not difficult to get there. Even non-Muscovites can easily find Yaroslavsky railway station.
2. No problems with arrival and departure, because the director himself invites you.
Anyone can come and go whenever they need and are comfortable. (which is usually not the case in other places. Arrival and departure at strictly defined times. If you're an hour late, pay for another day.)
3. I think the price of the trip plays an important role (for many). Here it is minimal!!! Accommodation is free, and the price of food is cheaper in any way than in Moscow.
4. Living in a building is not in a tent. In August, the weather is not always warm and sunny.
In a word , the offer is worth thinking about.

Seryoga! I'll sign for your offer with both hands, and the fact that we're all drinking in Ivanovo, we should also come to you on a return visit. I've been going for years.

I apologize for the flood: Deeply respected Papis, I am waiting for you at any time, in any condition and mood, only while I hear from everyone that we will come, but in fact.......! I hope that there will be more signatories to my proposal,but in August we will host a very serious event with all the ensuing consequences,whether it's a joke to say an International Congress, I will not refuse to help with the organization, since products and various events (including contests) must be purchased and planned in advance so that everything goes well.

I fully support the idea of Kolchugin!!! Yaroslavl residents won't even have to go to Moscow!!! And we'll meet the entomologists of the surrounding area!

I support Kolchugino in August, as well as the idea of Entoterra near the PTZ-in early JUNE (when there is something to catch). Why not hold two congresses, some will not be able to in August, some-in June. Someone is normal(romance) in a tent, and someone (bourgeois) needs rooms with amenities, people are different. If an even more interesting offer arrives in August, then even better. I'm not sure about August myself, I'm going to visit my friends in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, near Kansk, but this is still a pitchfork on the water... But in general, the idea of an on-site 3-day training camp is super!