V. Savchuk in trouble

As a free person of a free country, no one can forbid me to take any substances, especially if they expand the consciousness, but for some reason I (for example) limit myself to alcohol in reasonable (hopefully) doses. And yet I'm not a member of the EP. What am I doing wrong?

The state prohibits you from taking mind-expanding substances other than those that it officially controls the distribution of.

The problem is that every state is made up of people. Some of them are abusing their official position - and they're making a lot of money, you bitches, on these bans!

And you do everything like this. I'm an alcoholic myself. A person needs some kind of dope for relaxation. But compare your remark with my previous recipient.

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 13.11.2011 21: 35

Everything is right. If I, a fool, at least do not forbid myself to stab and smoke, then I, a fool, will stop and smoke very quickly. And who will work? Who will feed my children that I have bred? The state? Fine, let it feed. Only here communism and its construction were abolished in 1991, and under capitalism, feeding at the expense of the state is provided within very narrow limits.

This post was edited by Bad Den - 13.11.2011 21: 45

Everything is right. If I, a fool, at least do not forbid myself to stab and smoke, then I, a fool, will stop and smoke very quickly. And who will work? Who will feed my children that I have bred? The state? Fine, let it feed. Only here communism and its construction were abolished in 1991, and under capitalism, feeding at the expense of the state is provided within very narrow limits.

Can't you think about yourself? Don't you have an instinct for self-preservation?
Or are you afraid for the people? So he will break through. Gondony those still )))

But here I have phenazepam lying around in the sugar bowl for several years (my great-grandmother was dying of cancer) - but somehow it didn't occur to me to try it until now...

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 13.11.2011 21: 53

"mind-expanding substances"

Hehe, expanding consciousness ))) Consciousness is expanded by books, communication and observation of nature And "substances" are nothing more than mental masturbation

It is strange that everyone compares and ranks drugs such as heroin and LSD, but no one compares and ranks drugs such as heroin, alcohol and tobacco.

How does it not compare? In my opinion, a little higher was a diagram-a graph with a bunch of different "substances". And alcohol and tobacco are there and occupy a "worthy" place

It is strange that everyone compares and ranks drugs such as heroin and LSD, but no one compares and ranks drugs such as heroin, alcohol and tobacco.

Andriukher, have you read the topic carefully?
Was the computer turned on?

You're also a member of United Russia, aren't you? Or happy birthday 1985 is still called" Our"?

I am a naive idealist anarchist

Well...

Thank you all, guys!

The topic seems to have started with a question about what happened with Okoem and the opportunity to help him in some way. But I feel that it will end with the question of Madhyamaka's influence on the development of Tibet in the 3rd century ad

Need a sign next to hang out "SARCASM"?
I don't like the EP, and what does it change? Gives you the right not to comply with the laws?
At this point in time, I do not support the policies of any of the parties. None of them is currently able to change anything for the better (if at all the authorities can change anything in the system). Just my subjective opinion

And the fact that only a naive scientist could fall for such a trick when arriving in another city and not having any malicious intentions-I think this is understandable. Real dealers are not so simple.

Well, the fact that only a "naive scientist" is an exaggeration, to put it mildly. And hucksters from those who are not so simple come across, if you set a goal and work in detail. It's like fishing - a real fisherman bites any fish, you just need to know its habits and be able to catch (and want to, of course).

Can't you think about yourself? Don't you have an instinct for self-preservation?
Or are you afraid for the people? So he will break through. Gondony those still )))

I have. But children (and many adults) are not always able to really assess the risks.

I note that no one here spoke about" pricking". Heroin is even worse than alcohol. As for legalization, compare our life with Holland. It seems to me that there is no drug mafia there, and if there is, its influence is quite insignificant than in those countries where there is a strict ban on drugs. For example, Thailand-for selling the death penalty, which is why the mafia has a very strong influence. And you can buy drugs there, as friends of friends said - almost everywhere. Also on the example of prostitution - and it is forbidden there by law!
And it's also all about the state's trust in its citizens - if you hold the people for stupid cattle, a gray mass that is unable to take responsibility and make decisions, including on what to accept and what not to accept, then the people will be stupid cattle. And if the state gives the right to choose and make decisions to the people, then the mentality is not Russian)).

Then why don't all the other countries in enlightened and liberal Europe legalize drugs in any way? What's the mentality there?

But still, I advise you to clarify the situation about the sale of drugs in different countries personally, not according to the stories of your friends and acquaintances.

By the way, about the "freedom" you are a little overreacted))

What's wrong? You now freely express your opinion on the topic of drugs - and no one restricts you.

I must inform you that getting drunk in this case can be much faster and more effective than smoking a cigarette(I agree about the injection).

That's what I'm talking about, too - we should first put an end to alcoholism, and then develop drug addiction among the masses.

By the way, Garricos, do you have children?

This post was edited by Bad Den - 11/14/2011 19: 38

In the Czech Republic, some drugs are legalized, but only for their own use. In particular, you can grow up to three or five cannabis plants, have a few ecstasy pills, some cocaine, or (even) some heroin. I don't remember the exact numbers.
It's just that our mentality has not grown up to Europe, and we have a good half of the population (of which there are already a few). And for the same reasons that he still suffers from alcoholism (mostly, people simply have nothing to do with themselves).

In the Czech Republic, some drugs are legalized, but only for their own use. In particular, you can grow up to three or five cannabis plants, have a few ecstasy pills, some cocaine, or (even) some heroin. I don't remember the exact numbers.
It's just that our mentality has not grown up to Europe, and we have a good half of the population (of which there are already a few). And for the same reasons that he still suffers from alcoholism (mostly, people simply have nothing to do with themselves).

This is not quite true, or rather not at all true about the Czech Republic.

Not legalized, and possession of less than..., leads not to imprisonment but to a fine. "possession of less than
15 grams of marijuana, 1.5 grams of heroin, 1 gram of cocaine and 4 tablets of ecstasy, for example, can result in a fine of 15,000 Czech crowns ($830)"
The authorities say this is not an easing of pressure they just don't have enough people to really fight it right now.

And as a result, such an "oversight" in the Czech Republic has the highest percentage among young people who have tried drugs, that is, this is a bad result, very bad, and not an indicator of how to do it.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/czech-r.../marijuana-laws

This post was edited by amara - 11/15/2011 10: 31

With all due respect to your work, but people are still not fish, everyone has their own destiny, which often breaks down due to, so to speak, "production costs". It is better to catch butterflies, beetles, or fish). Well, or at least release a small thing - let him live!

God help you, I didn't think to draw a parallel between humans and fish. It was about professionalism, special skills, the ability and desire to apply them in practice. Undoubtedly, small things can and should be released. Only the motives for releasing small things on fishing trips and in law enforcement are completely different. When fishing, small things are released, as a rule, to live, grow, reproduce (and then get hooked again-when it grows up). And when suppressing illegal activities, the motives are completely different. Here, the released "trifle" should not grow and multiply (not in the physiological sense, of course), it is advisable to release it only if you are sure that its release will not harm others and yourself. Sometimes a person who has entered "on a slippery slope", enough fright from the first detention, to once and for all abandon all nonsense. And to bring him to the appointment of a punishment (especially severe) is useless - it can only harm, embitter him and finally spoil both his fate and the nature of his future relationships with society, and most importantly - the consequences of these relationships for other people. And there are opportunities to minimize the consequences of a conflict with the law of such a "small fish". After all, in most cases it is not the law that is bad, but its interpretation and application. According to part 2 of Article 14 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, an action that formally contains signs of an act provided for in the Criminal Code, but does not pose a public danger due to its insignificance, is not a crime. The category is estimated, but, you will agree, there is a real opportunity for its application in practice, including in relation to "cactus growers" and others like them.
As for the " dealers "(it is clear who we are talking about in the context of the topic under consideration) and the possibility of getting them hooked by inviting them to another city with "goods", I would like to note that the vast majority (if not every one) of criminal cases in the field of countering the spread of drugs and other powerful substances are initiated solely for results of operational search activities. Everyone can get acquainted with their list and procedure by reading the Federal Law "On Operational Search Activities". http://www.consultant.ru/online/base/?req=...ase=LAW;n=90744

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 11/15/2011 12: 46

Dan, don't talk about a free Europe. In some countries, you can freely carry doses for personal use. I was told by friends like about the Czech Republic when they went there. There was even a story that someone dropped a bag of something at night, there were cops nearby who shone their headlights to help find and return the bag. Such things. We are very misinformed.

Oh, they beat me to it )

Dan, don't talk about a free Europe. In some countries, you can freely carry doses for personal use. I was told by friends like about the Czech Republic when they went there. There was even a story that someone dropped a bag of something at night, there were cops nearby who shone their headlights to help find and return the bag. Such things. We are very misinformed.

That they are misinformed is for sure. At the same time, we continue to draw information from the OBS agency (one woman said). In some countries, in some kingdom, in some state... People who use drugs and other dope and sympathize with them, as a rule, like to tell such stories, which, however, they themselves begin to believe. But in reality everything is somewhat different:

This is not quite true, or rather not at all true about the Czech Republic.

Not legalized, and possession of less than..., leads not to imprisonment but to a fine. "possession of less than
15 grams of marijuana, 1.5 grams of heroin, 1 gram of cocaine and 4 tablets of ecstasy, for example, can result in a fine of 15,000 Czech crowns ($830)"
The authorities say this is not an easing of pressure they just don't have enough people to really fight it right now.

And as a result, such an "oversight" in the Czech Republic has the highest percentage among young people who have tried drugs, that is, this is a bad result, very bad, and not an indicator of how to do it.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/czech-r.../marijuana-laws

Let's finish it on me, otherwise we'll move on from drugs to nuclear Iran, fucking Palestine, accepted in the UN, etc. etc. 4 PAGES ON "PROBLEMS WITH SAVCHUK"!!!Just sniff, prick (who needs it), or drink (until the flies in your head-ent. forum! ) for a successful outcome. And he will be!
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And to pray is best

Let's finish it on me, otherwise we'll move on from drugs to nuclear Iran, fucking Palestine, accepted in the UN, etc. etc. 4 PAGES ON "PROBLEMS WITH SAVCHUK"!!!Just sniff, prick (who needs it), or drink (until the flies in your head-ent. forum! ) for a successful outcome. And he will be!
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Or fucking Israel..

I've been patient for a long time, I can't take it anymore

Hey, guys, are you all right? A person who has taken a cursory look at this topic will probably get the impression that a certain V. Savchuk is a drug dealer, and, perhaps, a terrorist and tae de. And forum members (some) this activity is approved.

Above was a very sensible post (alas, it was drowned in chatter) with a call to pre-evaluate all your actions from the point of view of whether it will harm okoem. Actually, in conversations on the forum, this should also be attributed....

A huge request to the moderator: "clean up" the topic. If it takes a long time to clean , it is better to remove it. Probably, the theme creator (Entale) can also do all this. Thank you.

Or fucking Israel..

Scarites, ay-I-I-I-y! It smacks of anti-Semitism!.

I'm sorry. Not an anti-Semite.

A huge request to the moderator: "clean up" the topic. If it takes a long time to clean , it is better to remove it. Probably, the theme creator (Entale) can also do all this. Thank you.

I can't clean up the theme or delete it. This is now for the moderator. It would be necessary to clean it, but I don't know how to delete it, maybe Okoem will write something about it?

News is expected next week. Unsubscribe.

I'm sorry. Not an anti-Semite.

And I'm generally a Baltic German, I'll be worse than a Jew.

That is, I will not, and therefore. (Great Russian language!)

That is, I will not, and therefore.

That is, then, there is?

The criminal case was initiated absolutely illegally . Everything is as simple as cotton underpants: there is such a thing as a crime. And only if it is present in the actions of a person, it can be found guilty of committing a crime. And this composition consists of the subject (a sane individual who has reached the age from which criminal liability begins), the subjective side (the internal mental attitude of the person who committed the crime to the socially dangerous act and its consequences, the motivating motives, the goals that he wanted to achieve by violating the criminal law, etc.), the object (protected by criminal law public relations, the benefits and interests to which the socially dangerous act is directed and to which harm is caused or a real threat of harm is created) and the objective side (action or omission, consequences and causal relationship between the former and the latter). Without going into details, it is necessary to recognize that 3 signs are obvious: the subject (Vladimir is a man in the full prime of life, and according to his mental health will give 100 points ahead to law enforcement officers from Nikolaev), the object (the health of the population, of course, may suffer from the spread of narcotic, strong substances), the objective side (cacti containing prohibited substances, indeed, sales - who can argue). That's just a mistake came out from zealous Nikolaev pseudo-fighters with drug dealers ! The subjective side in this case is not in sight! Vladimir, what, had the goal to distribute a powerful substance? Pipes! Leave me alone, foes: he is a cactus collector, and sold cacti exclusively as CACTI, as an object of cultivation with an aesthetic, scientific (yes, whatever!)purpose. third parties, but not as an item containing prohibited strong substances! On the subjective side, the sale of drugs and strong substances is a crime committed with DIRECT INTENT, i.e. the subject must distribute them precisely realizing that he is distributing a strong (narcotic) substance for the purpose of its consumption by the recipient as such, and must also be aware of the onset of socially dangerous consequences of his actions and want them to occur. Where is our esteemed Vladimir's intent? No-ti!
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There is no subjective side to Vladimir's actions, and, consequently, there is no corpus delicti. This should be clear to any lawyer, as 2x2=4 (law is the most accurate of the humanities). Unless the authorities in Ukraine have gone mad (which in theory, unfortunately, can be allowed )

Yesterday I was in Nikolaev at a court session to consider the lawyer's complaint: to cancel the opening of a criminal case due to insufficient grounds. The court decided that since I am a biologist and have been growing cacti for several years, it means that I studied literature, communicated with colleagues, etc., so I could not help but know that these cacti contain narcotic substances. Accordingly, the conclusion: deliberate distribution of narcotic plants (the species belonging to which, by the way, has not yet been officially established). Thus, the lawyer's request to cancel the opening of the criminal case was rejected.

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Join us....

Yesterday I was in Nikolaev at a court session to consider the lawyer's complaint: to cancel the opening of a criminal case due to insufficient grounds. The court decided that since I am a biologist and have been growing cacti for several years, it means that I studied literature, communicated with colleagues, etc., so I could not help but know that these cacti contain narcotic substances. Accordingly, the conclusion: deliberate distribution of narcotic plants (the species belonging to which, by the way, has not yet been officially established). Thus, the lawyer's request to cancel the opening of the criminal case was rejected.

Madhouse!!! Theater of the absurd!!! Legal arbitrariness !!! Selling plants containing narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances is a deliberate crime!!! And the prosecution must prove the presence of intent in the actions of the guilty party! An accusation cannot be based on assumptions or assumptions - only on reliably established evidence! What does it mean if a biologist grows cacti-it means that he studied the literature, communicated with colleagues, could not help but know that cacti contain some substances?! A clear logical error in reasoning is generalization based on incomplete information: one biologist has studied the literature on cacti and knows what substances they contain , which means that all other biologists have such knowledge. This conclusion could only be made by people who have nothing to do with law. And formal logic, by the way, is studied in the first year of law schools... How many biologists (and not the most recent ones, at least according to public opinion) who do not have such knowledge? "I couldn't help but know.".. You first prove that you knew! And then, if the type of cacti you "sold" is not even established, then their expert research has not been carried out? Duc, how do we know that they actually contain this gre?..new mescaline?! "Buyers", agreeing with you, asked you to sell exactly such cacti, from which you can "go crazy", they informed you that they were buying them for this purpose? Well, unless it is so, and these negotiations of yours are recorded (recorded)... But I would like to believe that when selling these unfortunate cacti, you were not aware of which specific ones are needed by "buyers", and (most importantly!) - for what purpose they want to buy them from you.
Vladimir, hold on! This is a form of arbitrariness and lawlessness. I am a realist: I do not think that the "noble noise" raised by the forum members, brought to the attention of Ukrainian pseudo-lawmakers, will be of any use to you other than moral support. But if you need any help, please let us know. You know best.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 22.11.2011 19: 20

Dmitrich, judging by what you write-v is more of a utopian or idealist

Cacti were purchased exactly as cacti, for the collection. In addition, the cactus itself is not a drug, and also, according to our own law, this part of it is

Щодо препаратів, що містять малі кількості наркотичних
засобів, психотропних речовин, включених до таблиць II і III
Переліку ( 770-2000-п ), та (або) прекурсорів, включених до
таблиці IV Переліку ( 770-2000-п ), і тому ризику зловживання ними
немає або він незначний, і з яких зазначені засоби чи речовини не
можна вилучити легкодоступними способами в кількості, за якої
можливе зловживання, можуть вилучатися із сфери дії деяких заходів
контролю. Заходи контролю за обігом зазначених препаратів та
порядок їх застосування встановлюються Кабінетом Міністрів
України ( 589-2009-п ). Гранично допустима кількість наркотичних
засобів, психотропних речовин і прекурсорів, що міститься в
препаратах ( 1203-2007-п ), встановлюється Кабінетом Міністрів
України за поданням спеціально уповноваженого органу виконавчої
влади у сфері охорони здоров'я.

no cacti can be banned because they are not sources of narcotic substances, as they contain only trace amounts of narcotic substances. However, this plant was "stupidly" entered there, simply because it was among the recommended ones in some kind of drug convention. It turns out that even in the United States, the cultivation of these cacti is prohibited only in the state of California, and then with reservations(there are exceptions for those who profess an official religion). Trade in mescaline is prohibited everywhere, but it is a ready-made drug, in certain quantities that we have not even officially established yet, although they are already established in Russia(copied from the USA).

But you forget what country you probably live in, and that this country is not very different from yours yet. In some cases, no formal logic or laws work as they should.

Can I come visit and clean the judge's face?