RES Congress No. 14

I was just watching it today - everything opens up here:

http://www.zin.ru/societies/res/rus/congress.html

and it was worth writing to the site - there is technical support....

A piece for a page of abstracts, which in print will take up a third of an A4 page. I'm sad.

this is money not for the page, but for organizing the event. who will pay for the preparation of the hall, for equipment, for registration, cleaners, coffee breaks, poster stands, participant's set, etc. Why does everyone assume that this will happen by itself? everything will be drawn and delivered by itself? it is necessary to recall people from vacation in the summer and ask them to serve a completely unnecessary conference. Organizing a big event is a huge pain in the ass...

Of course, organizing a conference is a troublesome and thankless task, most often.
True, the same money will have to be paid to those who come and personally see the work of the cleaners recalled from vacation and those who gave half the last thousand for the contribution and can not come.

Only now it's time to apply modern technologies. Why do you need a printed version of theses on paper of questionable quality and with the binding falling apart after the second opening? (I judge by the second part of the theses of the previous congress). It is much easier, cheaper and more convenient to use to make disks with these very theses and distribute them to participants, and for those who could not come - give them the opportunity to download everything from the Internet.

In general, the essence of the congress is certainly not in the theses (who reads them, by and large), but in a meeting of like-minded people, new acquaintances, etc.
See you in St. Petersburg!

In Altai, Barnaul, the RBO congress was held 6 years ago. It was a terrible case. It was not easy to organize everything - excursions, drinking parties, gyms, hotels. This has borne fruit in the form of a huge volume of new connections. But to expect that for these handed over thousands (by the way, 1500 from me, as a non-member of the REO), you can prepare everything - even award unfortunate cleaners (i.e., ZIN does not wash during vacations?!) - utopia. Money for the publication was taken all my life to pay for the publication. Well, on the package-a badge, notebook, pen. For the organization of such an event, there should always be additional funding - an RFBR grant for organizing a conference or something similar.

Well, first of all, everything will not be in Zina. This venerable establishment couldn't handle so many people.
Secondly, there is additional funding, and from various sources. Only, here, it's still not enough. An electronic version of the abstract publication would make the budget much easier. There was an option to hold this congress in Novosibirsk, but they insisted on St. Petersburg, and now they themselves are not happy... After all, most of the people from the organizing committee are very busy people, and you have to invest a lot of time and effort...
I hope everything settles down, including angry letters from various branches due to an excessive contribution.

The distinguished assembly is probably not fully aware of the "ANGRY LETTERS FROM VARIOUS BRANCHES" regarding the XIV Congress of the Russian Entomological Society (ZIN RAS). If I may put it briefly.
1. Many (not "different" Maxims) branches of REO in the Russian Federation legally raised a question before the REO Presidium regarding the price of abstracts in the congress collection, which is 1,000 rubles.
2. Ordinary members of the REO on the ground (who are not able for one reason or another - mainly economic-such as the banal lack of funds at the end of the 2012 field season) have a legitimate question about calculating this amount in a reduction - for participants of the congress who will not be able to physically take part in meetings organized within the walls of the forestry academies near St. Petersburg.
3. Anticipating the "exclamations" regarding the calculation of the costs of organizing the congress in the city of St. Petersburg, whose burden is partially shifted to the shoulders of ordinary provincial participants, I would like to raise the following important question: How do you order us to take the news about the new calculation of the price for ONE issue of the Entomological Review magazine, who does not know this is 4,000 rubles!?? As they already joke in the outback on the ground: - "Probably every issue of the magazine is sewn with gold thread and bound in natural leather"?

I invite the distinguished assembly to read the open letter of the highly respected entomologist L. V. Bolshakov (Tula, Tula Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences) to the Presidium of the Congress of the Russian Entomological Congress (ZIN RAS) dated January 13, 2012.

"I have no doubt that decisions in the Presidium are made collectively. I also have no doubt that almost all the members of the Presidium are devoted to science and very positive people. Only here are a lot of examples of when the best people, becoming leaders, due to their isolation from real life, economic and financial affairs, were compromised by the actions of the bureaucracy formally subordinate to them.
I would like to see a calculation based on which the cost of 1 collection is estimated quite realistically (300 rubles), but the cost of publishing 1 page in it is as much as 1000 rubles.
I enclose you 2 of the most recent samples of informational letters about holding conferences or recruiting materials for the collection of scientific papers. In one case, you will see the real cost of publishing 1 page (100 rubles), in the other - an example of how a poor provincial institution (Mordovia Reserve), which has neither grants from the Russian Foundation for Basic Research, nor grants from the Russian Academy of Sciences, whose employees receive salaries of about 5 thousand rubles. - organizes business to the benefit of itself and its " clientele". There, 300 rubles are charged not for theses, but for an ARTICLE of any size, and for this money the collection is given to the author.
Please note that the organizers of the conference in subsidized Ulyanovsk do not collect contributions from participants either for "breaks", or for stationery, or for additional payments to staff. If they hold a conference at the expense of a local grant or a grant from the state budget, then these expenses are laid there, and it is simply indecent to arrange such levies from guests (and somewhere it may be fraught).
Finally, I attach the Rules for Authors to the regularly published collection "Eversmannia" edited by me, by the way, the organ of the 2nd (so far) branches of the REO. But at the same time, he does not receive a penny either from REO or from the state budget! But there you will not see any requirements for authors to pay for articles, except for color printing. It is noteworthy that when 2 years ago I applied to several members of the Presidium for financial assistance (symbolic, about 5-10 thousand rubles per room), I was refused under a far-fetched pretext. This clearly shows the duplicity of the Presidium: huge, wasteful spending on local events and the release of publications with vague topics with an indecent abundance of publications by illiterate career applicants, and the refusal of purely symbolic assistance to provincial branches of REO, which make in all respects much better publications.
And I would also like to see "your "(or rather" your " accounting department) calculation of the cost of one issue of the Entomological Review. After the holidays, I will take a calculation for a collection of such a circulation and volume in the printing house and send it to you - I am sure that the cost of one circulation will be about 50 thousand rubles, and the price of one copy of the magazine will be 200-250 rubles. And "Your" device somehow inexplicably inflated its retail price by an order of magnitude! Shame on the entire civilized world - for a magazine in a simple printed version, on plain paper, to ask almost 100 US pupaars! Only magazines on coated paper and with all colored pages cost that much. Or-embroidered with gold threads.
At best, REO simply becomes uncompetitive. But since the Society has long been subsisting on all sorts of subsidies from the state budget and, apparently, expects to continue living on them, no one from the Presidium seems to care. Moreover, steps are being taken to turn REO into a kind of "elite" club, where "settled" nomenclatural workers, officials and the rich rule the ball. REO publications have become a platform for 2 categories of authors: employees of St. Petersburg institutions and nonresident applicants for academic degrees (more than half of them are shameless imitators).
These unhealthy tendencies began long ago, but public anger was tempered by a huge respect for the authority of the State Duma.Moreover, contributions at previous congresses were still at the level or slightly higher than those established in the country. And now we see that the acting President of the REO has become a very good person, but almost " no " entomologist. If he, like me or other provincial people, sponsored (especially as I did, out of personal funds) the best projects of the Society (regardless of their geography) and thereby encouraged the development of entomology in Russia, then he would not be worth it. But he is still going the other way-by further separating the capital's "elite"and the semi-scientific imitation foam that has stuck to it from those who really work and glorify Russian science not for money and career, but for conscience."
L. V. Bolshakov (Tula).

Yes, I agree on many points and even suggested solutions...
For information. At the same time, the International Entomol Festival will be held in Tegu (South Korea). Congress. So, there is a fee for an oral report - $ 700.
Speaking in the language of guys from the outback, they also encrust theses with diamonds in addition to the cover made of genuine leather.

feel, as they say, the difference.

These 700 bakars include accommodation and meals. And this, you will agree, is quite a lot .

In general, what is happening is what I have long written here on this forum-entomology is turning into an "elite club", as it was "under the king of peas" - that is, everything returns to normal. Only lords, sirs, peers, and other capitalists will catch butterflies

What kind of elite club is there??!!!:)))) bredddd))))
The essence of the congress is to meet and spend time with benefits for the soul and body. Abstracts... who needs them, I don't know...
How many people from this forum will attend the congress? and how many in the last 4 years (the frequency of congresses) have bought more beetles than this notorious shtukar? I'm sure many times more.
And what if you are not a member of the REO or a member, but you are not published in the EO, so you are no longer a sir, a peer, or even an entomologist?!
I have never been to a conference in my life, and I will never go to it just for the sake of the conference itself and the report at it. Staying and working at the museum is the main goal of all trips, and conferences are no more than an excuse.
EO for 4 pieces is nonsense, well, let them read it themselves (even if the impact is at least the most frail and then there is no). Now, without this magazine, there are enough places to attach your verses.

It is not a question of the congress, but of general trends, which can be summed up in a single sentence:
The state stops funding entomology.

The bottom line is that in the presence of state patronage, there were certain "social elevators", if you _____ you could finish university, prove yourself, get some position and do what you like in favor of the state and for the money of the state.

Now everything has changed - you need a coincidence of two factors, not only desire, but also primary capital. At the same time, however, the university is no longer required - the main thing is that there is money for expeditions, for the purchase of special literature, for the same international congresses and promotion of articles. That's all - wasn't it like this before, under kings and kings ?
And by the way, yes, I think it was then - if "not a member" - then not an entomologist, that is, recognition by society(in the sense of entomological)- this is an important step in personal recognition.

What exactly surprises you?
In order to live, you need to earn money. Just because you love insects doesn't make you special. No one is obliged to support you for this. Work, and if you have enough money for insects - wellkam tu entomoloji. Well, if not, then velkam tu dai of hanger . At all times, professional entomologists who left a mark in entomology were much less than amateurs - the Soviet era does not count, then any Soviet science had to be ahead of the rest of the planet, so entomology was funded at the same level. Now the grandmas are driving, and therefore they are engaged only in the science that can give a normal "exhaust". Molecular taxonomy, let's say, is just a shadow of genetic / molecular engineering.

The message was edited rhopalocera.com - 16.01.2012 15: 41

In order to live, you don't need to earn money.

The Soviet era counts, and not only the Soviet era, but the time of state funding of science in general, which was not only in the SSR, since it was at this time that the main "trace" in entomology was left, what happened before, as well as what will happen after, if everything goes to the right place. this way - it will just be a "hobby".

Entomology is not only collecting beetles and butterflies and arranging them according to the "nomenclature", it is opening up patterns in the insect world, and "rich pinocchins" usually do not prefer to do this, the ratio of biologists / ethologists like Fabre compared to an armada of collectors is a good example

no trolls, and we will not troll you

Advice to yourself is commendable

in sad

Many people probably read about Jean Henri Fabre in ZHZL (by the way, it is written in such poor language that you don't want to read it at all - here is an example of "anyhow") - a poor provincial teacher of mathematics and physics., a large family, constant care for her food (and imagine how much he could do if he had capital)... In general, the study of the" mores " of insects was a pure hobby for him... in his rare free time on a day tour, he left with a "fabre breakfast" (a piece of bread, cheese, water-sometimes he painted it over with wine, as was then customary...). He began to be published only with age, when he accumulated the richest factual material on insect biology... None of the scientists helped him, and as he himself admitted in his old age, he was able to systematize, comprehend and publish his observations only thanks to a good knowledge of mathematics...

It is very sad to watch what is happening in entomology now - high science is so detached from the masses that the gap between them is getting bigger and bigger from year to year, it is sad... In general, REO should unite all insect lovers - both with degrees and without... but, in reality, we do not see this at all... Take for comparison at least the Union of Bird Protection of Russia-which includes almost all ornithologists and a lot of bird lovers... a magazine is published, joint promotions are held, etc... In general, it is pleasant and enviable to watch their work...

That's about what I wanted to say when I spoke about "elitism".
That is, it seems that in entomology, science is not the main thing. Why, yes, because interaction with amateurs is important for science, because amateurs can collect as much material as no expedition can collect. And improving the skills of amateurs will have a positive impact on the quality of the material. These are all elementary things, but at the top of the campaign, it's not necessary to do anything, they only think about where to get money. On the one hand, a scientist, like an artist, should be slightly hungry , but this is only to make the thirst for science even stronger, merging with the thirst for food ))))

  
Take for comparison at least the Union of Bird Protection of Russia-which includes almost all ornithologists and a lot of bird lovers... a magazine is published, joint promotions are held, etc... In general, it is pleasant and enviable to watch their work...

Believe me, the Union for the Protection of Birds of Russia is no less elitist, and there are not a few pitfalls. I know this firsthand.
The magazine ("World of Birds") has been published very rarely in recent years. Here are the shares - yes. Just actions (bird watching, etc.) and reduce the level of elitism, as it seems to me.

this is a completely unconstructive and frivolous conversation.

It's not true about Korea. This is just the registration fee. Accommodation and food separately (maybe there will be lunch boxes, but I doubt it).

It is also not true that 1000 rubles at the congress is for 1 page of theses. This is the registration fee for participation - 6 days of participation. There is no "remote participation" item in the Email, because this is nonsense. Either you come with a report, or you don't participate. Almost no one ever reads 2 volumes of theses. Who are you kidding? Your superiors? colleagues? If I don't find $ 700 for a congress in Korea, I get upset, but I don't ask the organizers to print me for $ 10, because I DON't PARTICIPATE IN THE CONGRESS ANYWAY. I understand that it is necessary to report and write about testing in the abstract, but this is a HOAX. There are magazines available for publication, both large and small. Abstracts are so that you can keep something about what you've listened to, or about a real report, on your hands. Not an imitation of participation.

And because of this vicious practice of registering for 100 rubles and not coming, it is very difficult to organize something. Have you thought about the organizers? After all, it will not be clear until August how many people will actually come! How many places to keep in the dorm (i.e., not to let students there before September 1), how much to keep in hotels? What kind of influx should the university buffet prepare for? and who will pay if 500 people wait and 50 come? how many people can buy dishes for coffee breaks, how many classrooms for sections, projectors, how many programs and theses can be printed.

About the cleaners. Both ZIN and universities clean up in the summer. But, believe me, there is a difference, there are 50 people in the building all day. or 550. And this means that employees should be recalled from vacation and toilet paper purchased, etc., because students will survive, and it is inconvenient in front of guests.

Who wrote about funding sources? write down which ones! Please tell the REO Presidium. I promise to pass it on. They will write an application for an RFBR grant, but teach us how to use them to buy something useful, this is a wild hemorrhoid-despite the fact that REO is not an institute. In order for REO to print anything, you have to pay almost out of pocket. Do each of you pay your dues regularly? Who wants to help as a sponsor?

Ent Review is a separate issue. This publication is not REO, but Akad. Sciences'. Very expensive, I agree. And what can be the price if the print run is 200 copies? Isn't anyone ashamed that the main magazine has such a circulation? I am ashamed. Let's all write it out and then the price of the volume will be lower... Or we will do as in many societies in the world-let w-l is included in the annual fee.... Only it will not be 100 then. Are you ready? Let's discuss this again at the congress.

So the Zinovites took upon themselves not only the ENORMOUS, thankless task of organizing the congress, but also the editing and proofreading of the ED. And this is all done instead of the work that they would like to do.

it is clear that entomology is "in its purest form": taxonomy, morphology-neither on the fih nedo our state, about faunistics finally silent. RFBR throws through xxx if there are no garters and no rollback. and when the shovel steered butt. so what about this flood???

There are people here who understand this more than I do, so I have a question for them. I'm a member of the reo, I pay dues, etc...what's next? Where? to whom? for what? I can't print, take part in conferences, and so on. I pay the forest academy cleaners? or Zinovsky? I received a skoschukha in xxx rubles/page in theses-super! why should I be so happy?

ps as far as I remember correctly, according to Federal Law No. 82 "on public organizations", I can withdraw from this REO upon a written application in a free form. I studied for 20 years on "my own" and without "crusts" and then there will be enough enthusiasm. the main thing is to be human. and this "fuss" infuriates and awakens vomiting reflux

This post was edited by AGG - 17.01.2012 19: 41

So why is this REO in general and a trip to chasnost? Why do they go to the congress to get drunk or still listen to the report and chat?

I understand that the essence of society is in some benefits for its member, well, in responsibilities.
Responsibilities - pay dues, show thematic activity.
And the benefits are to receive a regular journal, be able to publish the results of your work there, and be accredited when visiting protected areas for work.
Plus, the most important thing is state subsidies, does REO not receive any subsidies? In theory, membership fees and the cost of the magazine should be formal for participants, because in compensation for this, they centrally print their works there.
Is this true or not?

I think the REO website has a charter. In the department-naavernoe, too.

What are the subsidies??? What are you talking about?

Get a thank you log? Sorry, not the USSR anymore... And who will pay for it? A little naive... There is an opportunity to publish high - quality works. This is the first time I've heard about accreditation...

I must also say thanks to ZIN, which allows REO to somehow function in it. Does not charge for rent, etc. The fin report will be presented at the congress. commissions, they will tell you everything down to a penny.

I am interested in the following question: will it be possible to issue a pass to the ZINA library for the period that the REO congress will last? This is the true treasure trove (not counting, of course, working with the collection fund) for the entomologist.

This post was edited by Morfey - 17.01.2012 20: 23

I have already visited the REO page once to find out about it, I don't remember when - I didn't find anything there, I just looked at it

http://www.zin.ru/societies/res/index.html

also there is nothing.

As for the ability to publish high-quality works, you can always publish high-quality works everywhere.
In general, it is strange - you need to say thank you, it allows you to somehow fonktionirovat.. they wrote as if everything is sad and about to break there.

Ask for a pass when registering. We usually went to a meeting and made out a list in advance.

The website contains the Secretary's contacts. Write, I think, everything will be answered.

I think the REO website has a charter. In the department-naavernoe, too.

What are the subsidies??? What are you talking about?

Get a thank you log? Sorry, not the USSR anymore... And who will pay for it? A little naive... There is an opportunity to publish high - quality works. This is the first time I've heard about accreditation...

I must also say thanks to ZIN, which allows REO to somehow function in it. Does not charge for rent, etc. The fin report will be presented at the congress. I hope they'll tell you every penny of it.

Soon everyone will be "printed" on the Internet, then the EA in figs will not be needed, like most magazines.

You can read more about Korea here http://www.ice2012.org/ As I said-700, this is only for the fee.
At any conference (and even more so at the REO Congress), where you need to send money six months in advance, there will be a lot of people who sent money, but could not come. And no one will return anything to you (and in the same Korea they will return it, before a certain period of time). But the point is not that 1000 rubles is not money for a contribution, at the present time.
I would like to hear the opinion of Mr. Musolin, as one of the organizers of this event, regarding the replacement of the printed version of abstracts with an electronic one. After all, this is a concrete proposal, and not a concussion of the air that a thousand is a lot, but for three hundred I would still go.

I immediately wrote down this proposal for myself and will voice it at the Presidium on January 27 (I am not a member of the presidium, but yes, I had to join the organization). I am in favor, but I believe that many will be against, because in the old-fashioned way they like to put a little book on the shelf... At some events, a choice is given - this option or another. But as I have already written, printing abstracts is only part of the cost of organizing the event.

At a minimum, I believe that the PDF should then be available to everyone. I always advocate for this. It seems to me that this resistance will not grow (as pdf files of conf. materials on fundsare available now. problems of entomology and Reading OA Kataeva on forest entomology).

Reflections at the front entrance of the secretary of the Penza branch of REO...

Dmitry, I carefully read your posts and showed them to a number of zoologists of our department (including doctors of biological sciences, professors mainly theriologists) in order not to be biased/ interested. Everyone (independently) has formed the opinion that the REO wants to shift part of the financial burden on ordinary members /participants of the congress...

Naturally, we understand the current prices for everything in Moscow and St. Petersburg. And compare, for example, the Penza School of Soil Zoology (September 2011), where for a week of living in the most comfortable Penza "pioneer camp" in the forests near Penza, with meals, breaks, a banquet and theses from an ordinary participant and a doctor of biological sciences, the organizers took 500 re from the nose. (about 100 people arrived). It would just be indecent... Naturally, the organizers "dug the earth with a horn" as without it...

I was extremely surprised (I had never heard of this before) What if I pay that infamous 1,000 re? If I don't come, it will be a "simulated participation" and there is no "remote participation"in the program... that is, so to speak, I fly the yak ta "plywood over the city of Paris"... I want to exclaim like a Cat Sparrow - "However"!?

To demand that every member of the REO engage in science, sorry, is completely absurd and profane. For example, let's look at the lists of the St. Petersburg Department of REO and see how many scientific papers/publications they have issued for the mountain over the past year, for example, 2011. I think I am not even SURE that "near scientific ballast" will be much more than in our provincial Penza (where I know almost everyone who is engaged in and is fond of entomology). And if you are familiar with the laws of physics, then you probably know that ships (and REO that lives according to "its own physical laws"?) Sorry, they don't swim without "ballast". And if we alienate the people from us, then why do we need REO at all? You will learn/know professionals even from articles - scientific work, sorry, and without any societies there.

It would be naive to assume that the vast majority of amateurs are faunalists and ecologists, who will read or write works on, say, the physiology or behavior of insects. And what, sorry, they will read about in the EA for 4,000 re.?
It is well known that articles in the editorial portfolio of the EA are 2-3 years old, faunistics are not welcome there, etc. In general, a purely SCIENTIFIC journal is interesting only at the tip of the scientific "iceberg". And how many cases are known with the first descriptions of new insect species that have lain in "plump science-intensive" journals for years and have become synonymous after foreign publications of these taxa, for example, the same fins in lepidopterology. Or am I telling a lie?

It was mentioned here that under Tsar Batyushka there were only professionals in the society-it is quite possible (I was not familiar with them sorry), BUT it is well known that they also had the same problems as we have. Remember, for example, Krulikovsky - after a bitter experience of working with our clumsy scientific publications, he spat on everything and began to publish the first descriptions of new taxa in foreign journals. He was "scolded" by Russian professors, saying that it was NOT PATRIOTIC!!! To which he rightly replied that he was not used to working for nothing and wasting his own and other people's time in vain.

The Penza branch of REO will be 10 years old this year, it brings together both amateurs and professionals in the field of entomology not only in Penza, but also in Saransk, Tambov, and Saratov (the Rezants have just disappeared somewhere...). We regularly provide contributions and reports... But, when I am asked at REO meetings what EXACTLY is the work or "help" of REO, even if not to ordinary "nets", but at least to REO departments !?? I answer that we are given the Works of REO for the library of the department, we can get together and write articles to publish our issue of the department in the works of REO, we are advised by ZINA entomologists and that's all... It is natural that there is a main backbone in the field that pulls all the activities of the department and it is simply utopia to require all members of the department to engage in science... Unfortunately, we are published not in the EO in which we "break through" as they say "does not shine", but in " Eversmannia "(Bolshakov et al.), "CAB" (Arzanov, Stradomsky et al.), "Entomological and Parasitological studies in the Volga region" (Anikin), etc.

You understand, we are not 1000 re. it's a pity (as here one madame said "You guys have spread demagogy here - that a real man can't earn money"!??). Yes, and we have always (believe me) had enough of real "macho" people. The point is completely different and if it does not understand (and does he want to understand it?) the Presidium of the REO is something else, as we understand it... You are surprised that the circulation of the Entomological Review is 200 copies, so who is to blame for this - well, we are not ordinary "entomoluhi" sorry...
And if the REO is not able to understand and comprehend all this, then this gap will not go anywhere and will only increase every year both in breadth and depth... it's sad to see and realize all this...

Last night I watched a documentary about our most famous hockey super series with Canadian professionals in the 70s. It was nice to remember the past (sorry for the pun, but I couldn't help but draw a parallel between AMATEURS and PROFESSIONALS - I hope you understand me) how they played - what a heat of passion and emotions!!! My wife was at the table writing some regular report on her work... looking at the floor with my eyes on the TV and my husband screaming sometimes (I was involved in sports as a child and, alas, had to give up hockey - my nose was seriously broken), I couldn't stand it and exclaimed: "Well, we COULD play before! Why NOT now" !?? What could I say to her?.. THAT WE PLAYED FOR AN IDEA (skill) and Canadians for MONEY (showmen damn)…

This post was edited by Penzyak - 19.01.2012 10: 55

> there is an opinion that the REO wants to put some of the financial burden on ordinary members /participants of the congress ...
-- and, excuse me, who should pay for our Congress?! ZIN? Yes, an application for a grant from the Russian Foundation for Basic Research will be submitted, but this will be decided in the SUMMER. And if they don't? And you think that the RFBR grant can be used to pay for coffee breaks and someone else's work? You are very much mistaken. If, SUDDENLY, it turns out that there is money left, it will be spent on food and other expenses, and everything will be reported at the congress. No one is trying to make money on contributions. If you have any ideas where to get money for the congress, PLEASE write to the REO.

> I was extremely surprised (I've never heard of this before) What if I pay that infamous 1,000 re? If I don't come, then it will be an "imitation of participation" and there is no "remote participation" in the program...
- I am extremely surprised by your surprise. 1. Where in inform.the email is written about the remote control. participation? 2. A conference is when there is a report, it is listened to, questions are asked, the speaker answers, there is a discussion. how can I do it if you don't show up?! A poster presentation is also not quite a report, but at least you can read it and ask questions to the author standing next to you. But remotely... Can you tell me why?" Remotely - this is an article, this is an online forum. But 1 page. without a report, without a reaction - why?

I don't really understand how REO should help. I haven't read the charter, to be honest, but I don't have any expectations. If the Board had a certain staff, structure, it would be possible to demand something. And so I do not och. understand. As far as I know, they maintain a library, publish something, actively edit the Ent Review, and hold events (under ZINA, of course).

> We are published, alas, not in the EA in which we "break through" as they say "does not shine"
- why? The question is in the obstacles or the quality of articles?

> You are surprised that the circulation of the Entomological Review is 200 copies, so who is to blame for this - well, we are not ordinary "entomoluhi" sorry...
-"wait, who is it?"?

I won't write about hockey. I don't have time to watch TV.... Including because I have to spend a lot of time apart from work on organizing conferences and editing. By the way, all-for thank you.

I have been writing out EO since the 9th grade of school. Then its circulation was about 1000 copies. Many of my friends and I stopped subscribing after a sharp (phenomenal) rise in the price of the magazine I don't remember in what year. I am ready to buy an EO magazine for 1000 rubles a year (now the Eurasian magazine costs 800 rubles, which is published in an order of magnitude better printed version). If it cost 1000 rubles a year, I am sure that its circulation would be at least 1500 now (with a massive increase in interest in entomology among the population). After all, when I subscribed to this magazine as a schoolboy , I didn't need it for work . In principle, 1000 rubles for a contribution is ridiculous, there is nothing very terrible here.
EO circulation is not a problem for entomologists from all over Russia.
My advice is to find the cheapest printing house in St. Petersburg and publish a magazine there. Its prime cost will be 800-900 rubles for 4 issues with a circulation of 300-400 copies. Interestingly, someone called the printing houses of St. Petersburg to find the most profitable option?
In general, there is no point in arguing too much. Participation in the congress is voluntary. No one is pulling anyone. As well as participation in the ranks of REO. Or the ranks of other societies. Our publications and our interest in the subject make us entomologists.
Hello everyone from Kansk, where I am on a business trip. -39. It's cold!

That's about what I suggested about the magazine... NAUKA bogodelnya Publishing house is still the same... But I do not know the subtleties of relations between SCIENCE, the Russian Academy of Sciences, REO, ZIN, and the office that translates and sells EO abroad. This is what we should discuss at the congress.

Here, citizens wrote about the "threat" of REO becoming an elite society. In my deep conviction, it is precisely elitism that he lacks right now! Not one that is determined by the members ' ability to pay, of course. But such that only real experts, specialists or amateurs who correspond to specialists in terms of their qualification level are accepted into the Society. And not any "foam", as Mr. Bolshakov figuratively put it. And this" foam " in the REO is now oh so much: they accept anyone in any case - if only there were two guarantors. And most importantly, why all this? To get together in a big cahal every 3 years or so? And what's the use of that? High-level specialists are interested in communicating with each other, and not with the "foam", and the latter does not give a damn about specialists: just to be registered at the All-Russian (and it would be better, of course, at an international congress somewhere in Ukraine).

If we talk about the elitism that prevailed "under the kings-kings" and in which, if you are recognized by Society, then you are an entomologist, and if you are not , then you are just a philistine with ambitions, then such elitism is extremely useful and necessary! It is an engine of personal growth for both amateurs and future specialists. How's it going now? You write a couple of bad faunal articles and you're an entomologist, and you don't give a damn if anyone needs them, if you use them for science, or if you complicate the situation with them. Specialists don't even show such scribbles-they don't give a damn about them either. You're an entomologist anyway: you belong to the Society. And on this basis, self-deception arises: once you are recognized by the scientific community (here are the crusts in your pocket!), it seems that everything is in order, everything is as it should be-research is at a normal level, articles are literate, etc. And no growth. But if REO only accepted those who were worthy of what it was like at the dawn of Society, it would be a very important incentive for many to become really high-level specialists in their field.

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With hockey in general comparison is inappropriate. Sports have long passed from amateur to professional, because the age of an athlete is very short, and any high-performance sport is no longer a health group, but a test for the body, which almost always leads to irreparable consequences. Our hockey players, who played in the national team in those years, were not poor people at all, cars and apartments were issued to them regularly, and because of foreign trips they brought a lot of deficits on their daily currency allowances. But those others who did not get into the national team for various reasons were content with little. And then all the collections and especially the rest after the end of their career faced very big problems in life and everyday life. Because no one needed them anymore, and they were only good at one thing - playing hockey, and it was too late to learn anything else, and somehow they didn't really work out. Of course, there were exceptions, but for the most part this is exactly the case.
Now any high-level athlete first of all thinks about how to ensure a comfortable old age, and only then about the IDEA and SKILL. Of course, if there is no skill, no one will offer you a high contract, but the concepts of patriotism in sports are no longer as relevant as before (however, as well as in society as a whole).
Here you can hear claims that professionals (i.e. scientists from the Russian Academy of Sciences) snatched up all the RFBR grants and others did not get anything. So you would at least read the names (not to mention applications and reports) of supported projects, how much competition there is, and how strong the position of the application must be in order to get this money, which, as Mr. Musolin correctly noted, will not buy everything you need to complete the project. Of course, there is a certain system of "own" applications there, too, but the rest also gets it, if there is something for it.
I agree that today REO does not do much for its branches, but the branches, in turn, also do not particularly help REO (except for contributions). The next Congress is just the place to raise all these issues, discuss them all together, propose solutions and approve urgent reforms. Sending out angry emails alone is not enough, you need to talk directly to the interested people. So let the branch chairmen (or their surrogates) express their wishes and complaints at the Congress. If this is done by all (at least most) departments, the presidium will have to listen to this and make effective decisions.

I don't agree with elitism. The Society is designed to unite professionals and amateurs. The role of both is huge. And symbiosis, when it turns out, is invaluable! In many countries, this is exactly the case. There are a lot of naturalists and nature lovers in the UK who do a lot of systematic work, for example, constantly collecting data on the distribution of species. This is done over the years, collected, and analyzed (for example, for bedbugs). And now it is possible to talk about the change of habitats in a reasoned manner. The articles also provide links to large academies. works, and small messages from such amateurs. No professional would cover this.

And someone wrote that you can't get into the EA. Were there any attempts to send articles there?