RES Congress No. 14

I wrote a long and detailed answer. Then I thought about it and erased it.
What to pour from empty to empty.
Time will judge everyone.
Good luck and creative success to all.
Well at least a little level in entomological success with the guys from Tula

May our assembly forgive me, but I was tempted to throw an old, bearded joke into the discussion:
Two Chukchi sit on the shore of the Arctic Ocean.
One is smoking a pipe and looking thoughtfully at the ocean,
the other is either flipping through or reading a newspaper...
- Something bothers me about Honduras!?
- If you need to scratch less, it won't bother you...

I have great respect for Eversmannia and its editorial board, as well as for all people who make entomological journals. Often, despite many circumstances, mostly at their own expense and spending personal time on it.
But to throw out such statements, saying that "the results are better than those of ZIN and RAN combined", is not even immodest, but generally does not climb into any gates. The right word.
For NA, WOS is now the main criterion. Everything else is just tinsel. Here are a couple of figures regarding the ZIN:
For 2006-2010
Articles - 616.
Average IF-1.62
Number of citations-2403.
This is a bit out of step with Eversmannia's 5 citations in WOS in 7 years. This is not a reproach at all, it's just that they are different weight categories.

I wrote a long and detailed answer. Then I thought about it and erased it.
What to pour from empty to empty.
Time will judge everyone.
Good luck and creative success to all.
Well, at least a little level in entomological success with the guys from Tula

Pathos... How was it in KVN? And Moscow without pathos is Ryazan...

WOS is the same commercial structure as any other information network in the West. Its use by the Russian Academy of Sciences means only one thing: it is beneficial for someone in the Russian Academy of Sciences. Financially. That's all. They will learn how to benefit from ISI - this index will be the "main one". From another source , it will be changed again. The upper classes live by slightly different laws, they basically do not care about "science", where money rules. When will you take off your rose-colored glasses?

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And who will ask about the commercialization and Western nature of WOS? Who is praising or promoting her here? This is simply today's reality, for which they pay money in the Russian Academy of Sciences. They will pay for the RSCI or even some kind of HUINC, we will write there. The quality and content of articles should not depend on this. It's just that these are the rules we live by. Not just in entomology, everywhere. Like them or not, sometimes they need to be fulfilled, otherwise - goodbye.
No rose-colored glasses, just regular ones. I treat entomology like any other profession, this is what I do to earn money. That's all. There are no higher goals and other things. But any work should be done as well as possible, which is what I want everyone to do.

Dear sirs-lovers of distraction and distraction on extraneous topics!
We are talking about EO - the only REO magazine.
EO was not, is not, and will not be included in SCI, since the journal is printed in Cyrillic.
The WOS database is a list of logs that have been included in Zool.Rec at least once. It contains all entomological journals, including electronic ones and even without an ISSN.
More than one article has been written about the dangers of IF and CI for classical entomology (if you are interested, you will find it on the Internet).
RSCI is not an indicator and does not stand up to criticism, but its statistics are sometimes very interesting (remember the beginning of the discussion and compare it with the official editorial reports at the congresses):

ENTOMOLOGICAL REVIEW
Place in the RSCI 2010 rating 883

DISTRIBUTION OF PUBLICATIONS BY ORGANIZATION


Zoological Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences 443

Saint Petersburg State University 50

Severtsov Institute of Ecology and Evolution of the Russian Academy of Sciences 30

All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Plant Protection RAS 28

Lomonosov Moscow State University 19

I. I. Schmalhausen Institute of Zoology of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine 18

Biological Research Institute of Saint Petersburg State University 17

Belarusian State University 15

Institute of Animal Systematics and Ecology SB RAS 13

Institute of Zoology of the National Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Kazakhstan 12




DISTRIBUTION OF PUBLICATIONS BY AUTHOR

ENTOMOLOGICAL REVIEW
St. Petersburg Publishing Company "Nauka" RAS (St. Petersburg)
Medvedev G S 29

Medvedev C G 23

Narchuk E P 21

Tobias B And 18

Yemelyanov A F 17

Zaitsev In F 17

Kuznetsov V And 17

Tobjas B And 17

Korotyaev B A 15

Krivohatsky B A 15

Reznik S I 15

Krivokhatsky V A 14

Sugonyaev E S 14

Tryapitsyn V A 14

Belokobylsky S A 13

Emelyanov A F 13

Kasparyan Dr. 13

Richter In A 13

Balashov Yu S 11

Belokobylsky S A 11

Gnezdilov In M 11

Danzig E M 11

Semyanov V P 11

Vinogradova E B 10

Kasparyan Dr. 10

Krivosheina N. P. 10

Lvovsky A L 10

Semyanov In P 10

Chaika S U 10

Chaika S U 10

Gorokhov A B 9

Zagulyaev A K 9

Zhiltsova L A 8

Kuznetsova In G 8

Lopatina E B 8

Pesenko Yu A 8

Petrova N. A. 8

Anisyutkin L. N. 7

Boiling Water In E 7

Kireychuk A G 7

Lvovsky A L 7

Nabozhenko M V 7

Ovchinnikova O. G. 7

Saulic A X 7

Sinev S U 7

Stekolshchikov A B 7

Glaziers A B 7

Falkovich M And 7

Frolov A B 7

Arzanov Yu G 6

Baryshnikova S V 6

Voinovich N. D. 6

Volkovich T A 6

Efremova Z. A. 6

Zhantiev District 6

Gavrilov And A 5

Golub N. V. 5

Dmitriev D A 5

Zhantyev R D 5

Zaslavsky B A 5

Ivanov V D 5

Kataev B M 5

Lobanov A L 5

Chubareva L A 5

Yunakov N. N. 5

Barkalov A B 4

Belozerov V. N. 4

Belousova E. N. 4

Bochkov A B 4

Vagina N P 4

Grebennikov K A 4

Davidyan G E 4

Eskov E K 4

Karpova S G 4

Katz T S 4

Krasutsky B V 4

Legals A A 4

Radchenko A G 4

Sokolov And V 4

Stekolnikov A A 4

Sukhoruchenko G And 4

Umarova T. Ya 4

Fedorova M V 4

Halin A B 4

Shobanov N. A. 4

Bagachanova A K 3

Bolov A A 3

Brodskaya N. K. 3

Bulyginskaya Metro Station 3

Voinovich N. D. 3

Volkovich M G 3

Gornostaev N. G. 3

Gokhman In E 3

Yegorov L V 3

Zhiltsova L A 3

Zamotaylov A C 3

Zinoviev K B 3

Kluge N. Yu 3

Koval A G 3

Kozlov M A 3

Konstantinov F. V. 3

Krivosheina M G 3

Ler P A 3

Lukhtanov V A 3

Matov A Yu 3

Musolin D L 3

Neimorovets B B 3

Neymorovets B B 3

Podgornaya L And 3

Popov With Ya 3

Stekolnikov A A 3

Tanasiychuk V. N. 3

Fedotova Z. A. 3

Frolov A. N. 3

Halaim A And 3

Tents A B 3

Yankovsky A B 3

Astafurova Yu V 2

Belyakova N. A. 2

Vinokurov N. N. 2

Gapon D A 2

Gilev A B 2

Gildenkov M Y 2

Glukhova In M 2

Grichanov And I 2

Davydova N. G. 2

Dubatolov V V 2

Dubovikov D A 2

Erlykova N. N. 2

Zaitsev A And 2

Zinoviev A G 2

Zolotukhin V. V. 2

Ilina E V 2

Kaplin In G 2

Kerzhner And M 2

Kind T V 2

Kompantseva T V 2

Baskets A And 2

Krasavina L P 2

Kustov St. 2

Lelei A C 2

Maslova O O 2

Matalin A B 2

Medvedev L N 2

Melnitsky C And 2

Moseyko A G 2

Nadein K S 2

Negrobov O. P. 2

Paramonov N. M. 2

Popov A B 2

Popovichev Bg2

Rasnitsyn A. P. 2

Ryazanova G And 2

Sapegina In F 2

Sinitsina E E 2

Solodovnikov A U 2

Stolyarov M V 2

Teslenko In A 2

Filimonova S A 2

Tsurikov M N 2

Cherchesova S K 2

Chumakov M A 2

Shapoval A P 2

Shapoval N. A. 2

Shaposhnikov G X 2

Shilova A And 2

Shokhin And V 2

Abdurakhmanov G M 1

Aibulatov S V 1

Alekseyev A. N. 1

Anikina M A 1

Antonov P V 1

Arinin And Yu 1

Akhmetova L A 1

Basova N. V. 1

Balakhnina And In 1

Bass In M 1

Belevich O E 1

Belousov And A 1

Belskaya E A 1

Benkovsky A O 1

Berim M N 1

Bespyatova L A 1

Bogacheva And A 1

Bolov A P 1

Brinev A E 1

Budaeva And A 1

Vasilenko S V 1

Glushchenko N. P. 1

Golubkov S M 1

Gorodkov K B 1

Grigorieva L A 1

Grinchuk T 1

Grodnitsky Dl 1

Davidyan E M 1

Danilevsky M L 1

Dmitriev D A 1

Dolgin M M 1

Doroshenko T. N. 1

Dubinina E V 1

Dudko District 1

Yemelyanov V A 1

Zakharova E Y 1

Zelentsov N. I. 1

Zinoviev E V 1

Imamgaliyev A. A. 1

Klyueva N. Z. 1

Knysh In G 1

Koval A G 1

Kovalev O V 1

Kozlova E G 1

Kolesnichenko K A 1

Company A In 1

Kryzhanovsky District 1

Kuznetsova T L 1

Kuzmina S A 1

Kuzmina Ya S 1

Kulikov A M 1

Kunkova E V 1

Kupriyanova L A 1

Kurmaeva D K 1

Labina E S 1

Lazarev M A 1

Lapshin D N 1

Lopatin A B 1

Lopatina N. G. 1

Lyanguzov And A 1

Maysov A B 1

Makarov K V 1

Mandelstam M U 1

Medvedev In L 1

Mirzayeva A G 1

Mironov In G 1

Mitrofanov In G 1

Mikhailov Yu E 1

Mishchenko A B 1

Mukha D V 1

Negrobov S O 1

Nesina M V 1

Nikolaeva Z V 1

Ovsyannikova E And 1

Ovchinnikov A. N. 1

Olschwang In H 1

Orlov V N 1

Orlova N. A. 1

Palenko M V 1

Panyukova E V 1

Perkovsky Ee 1

Pestov S V 1

Peterson A M 1

Petrov A In 1

Field battles A B 1

Field A In 1

Polovinkina O A 1

Polukonova N. V. 1

Ponomarenko M G 1

Potapov M B 1

Prosvirov A C 1

Pugachev O. N. 1

Ravkin Yu S 1

Ruchin A B 1

Ryzhova And V 1

Ryss A Y 1

Savitsky In U 1

Seksyaeva S V 1

Selikhovkin A B 1

Sergeev G E 1

Sergeev M G 1

Smirnov In B 1

Sokolov And M 1

Solodovnikov A U 1

Sorokina A. P. 1

Storozhenko St. 1

Trapeznikov And V 1

Tuzovsky P V 1

Vateryga A B 1

Fedorenko D. N. 1

Filippova N. A. 1

Khabazova N. S. 1

Khantemirov R M 1

Hruleva O. A. 1

Humala A E 1

Humala A E 1

Integer E In 1

Chesnokova E G 1

Chirov P A 1

Shaikevich E V 1

Shaikevich E V 1

Shapovalov M And 1

Sharapa T V 1

Shilenkov In G 1

Shcherbakov M V 1

Yakimov A B 1

Yakovlev District 1

Yanovsky In M 1

Yasyukevich V V 1


DISTRIBUTION OF PUBLICATIONS BY NUMBER OF CITATIONS

ENTOMOLOGICAL REVIEW
St. Petersburg Publishing Company "Nauka" of the Russian Academy of Sciences (St. Petersburg)
Number of citations of Articles

Number of citations of Articles
0 637

1 178

2 72

3 59

4 24

5 14

6 19

7 7

8 4

9 5

10 2

11 1

13 2

14 2

17 1

  
We are talking about EO - the only REO magazine.
EO was not, is not, and will not be included in SCI, since the journal is printed in Cyrillic.
The WOS database is a list of logs that have been included in Zool.Rec at least once. It contains all entomological journals, including electronic ones and even without an ISSN.

Absolutely not. ZZ is also printed in Cyrillic, and WOS includes, as well as Ecology and Reports of the Academy of Sciences, for example.
Zool. Rec. and WOS are completely different concepts. Any publication can really get into Zool. record, especially if you yourself sent your book or a file of the magazine you publish by mail. Any article can also be cited in WOS, but only if it is cited in a journal with an IF. However, only logs with an IF are indexed (and therefore included in the WOS).
And EO is not the only REO magazine, there are still Works.

This post was edited by Coelioxys - 03/21/2012 16: 29

Dear Coelioxys, are you confusing Master Journal List and Science Citation Index Expanded? This is an excerpt from the WOS search database:


• ENTOMOLOGICHESKOE OBOZRENIE
Quarterly ISSN: 0367-1445
SANKT-PETERBURGSKAYA IZDATEL SKAYA FIRMA RAN, MENDELEEVSKAYA LINIYA, 1, ST. PETERSBURG, RUSSIA, 00000
Coverage
o Zoological Record
o BIOSIS Previews
•
• DOKLADY AKADEMII NAUK
Biweekly ISSN: 0869-5652
MAIK NAUKA/INTERPERIODICA/SPRINGER, 233 SPRING ST, NEW YORK, USA, NY, 10013-1578
Coverage
o Zoological Record
o BIOSIS Previews

• ZOOLOGICHESKY ZHURNAL
Monthly ISSN: 0044-5134
MEZHDUNARODNAYA KNIGA, 39 DIMITROVA UL., MOSCOW, RUSSIA, 113095
Coverage
o Science Citation Index Expanded
o Current Contents - Agriculture, Biology & Environmental Sciences
o Zoological Record
o BIOSIS Previews

I vaguely remember something about the ZJ, probably someone took care of it in the 3 years when it was translated independently (without Ent. Rev). I didn't find ecology. But this is again about EO!

Dear colleagues, how can we help the EA? Who's going to let us go there?
I asked V. A. Krivokhatsky himself for at least separate issues of EO for the library of the department - but even he (the treasurer of REO) had the opportunity to release to us only very old issues of the Soviet era, which have since "stale"! The post-Soviet EO REO no longer disposes of it!
I recently wrote-if the REO can't fight with the RAS, then leave the EO to the brothers from the RAS, let them sell it for at least 10,000. Well, REO-should revive the "Russian Entomological Review" and publish in the same way as they publish the Works of REO and as Zinovsky's English-language magazine Zoosyst. Rossica. They cost as much as they should for publications of such printing quality and circulation. I get the volumes I need in exchange, and they sell them for no more than 200 rubles., and small-format ones even for 100.
This is because Trudy and Zoosystem are not published by the same "holding" that manages other astronomically expensive periodicals of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
You can probably slightly reduce the number of annual REO Proceedings and send some of the materials to the new journal.
But the editorial board should not be the same as in the EO and the Works of the REO (some honorary members, most of them are elderly, due to employment or physically unable to do this - this is not an editorial board, but an analogue of the Brezhnev politburo), but energetic, and evenly representing the branches of the REO and specialists in various most studied areas.

Dear Lavr,
Your proposal to revive the Russkoe Entomologicheskoe Obozrenie is impossible, as the EO is the legal successor of Russkoe Obozrenie. It is more realistic to raise the question before the congress about transforming the Works of REO into a periodical with a completely new editorial board (now the editorial board is formed for each issue).
Relations between editors and publishers are obscured in many journals. I don't want to fantasize, but when the circulation and cost of the EA are equal to those of Ent. Rev (i.e., approximately $ 10/1000), it will cease to make a profit and the publisher will return the EA to the ZIN or REO. So far, all parties are satisfied with the situation (including authors who receive royalties).
Unfortunately, so far the situation with Trudy is the same as with EO - these are Zinovsky Trudy. both publications declare themselves peer-reviewed, but I wonder who among those present wrote or saw those reviews? For comparison, our editorial board (Bulletin of Plant Protection) discusses each issue for 2-3 hours, and negative reviews are read out at almost every meeting. And here is an extract from the RSCI for proof (after 2006, Works are not sent to the RSCI):

DISTRIBUTION OF PUBLICATIONS BY ORGANIZATION

PROCEEDINGS OF THE RUSSIAN ENTOMOLOGICAL SOCIETY
Russian Entomological Society (Saint Petersburg)
# Name of the organization of Articles

1 / Zoological Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences / 35
2 / All-Russian Research Institute for Plant Protection of the Russian Academy of Agricultural Sciences/9
3/Faculty of Biology of Moscow State University/7
4/I. I. Schmalhausen Institute of Zoology of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine/7
5/Biology and Soil Institute of the Far Eastern Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences/4
6/Kuban State Agrarian University/2
7/Novosibirsk State University state University / 2
8 / Paleontological Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences/2
9/Saint Petersburg State University/2
10/Belarusian State University/1

И.Я.

In this case, it is really worth proposing to make the Proceedings of REO a periodical with a permanent editorial board and the main printed organ of the Society. Now the editorial board does not have to be in the same city and meet, it is possible to exchange information by e-mail, and the deployment of members in different cities does not significantly delay the work.
But whether the "upper classes" will want to do this - according to the current Charter of the REO, the decision can be made by the congress, but it is clear who will be in the majority there. Employees of the Russian Academy of Sciences are in such a position that they need to write to a limited number of publications, and they are burdened with public work, they are already (as they said above) "howling" even from editing 1-page theses - what can we say about full-fledged articles? Here you can expect rather unwillingness to change something.

Dear Coelioxys, are you confusing Master Journal List and Science Citation Index Expanded?

Of course, WOS meant primarily ISI, because we were talking about indexed journals and the number of citations.

Of course, WOS meant primarily ISI, because we were talking about indexed journals and the number of citations.

This is a different matter. By the way, the confusion of SC and DB was first arranged by the Higher Attestation Commission: "inclusion of current issues or translated versions of publications in a foreign language in one of the citation systems (bibliographic databases) Web of Science, Scopus, Web of Knowledge, Astrophysics, PubMed, Mathematics, Chemical Abstracts, Springer, Agris". And the RFBR rewritten it even more sharply: "3.10.1.3. Of them included in the citation systems (Web of science, Scopus, Web of Knowledge, Astrophysics, PubMed, Mathematics, Chemical Abstracts, Springer, Agris, GeoRef)".
With this wording, all our and non-our journals are "included", because they are quoted in the database. In fact, only the Russian Journal of Ecology is indexed from "nashi". Zool.zhurn. indexed only in 1997-1999, when it was independently translated. But he received the honorary title of indexed forever.

The discussion about the acute problems of REO and EA has faded, so let's say goodbye. Summary of this topic (which I started with on page 3) I sent it to the Presidium at res@zin.ru. I hope someone will find it useful. All success and good luck!
И.Я.

And on the Internet about RAS there are such funny pictures

Oh, how I missed such pictures, exactly, the set is coming from the very heart of ylita. Soon the academician will go harsh, and serious, try to object - he will build a couple of floors of mat, show a fist - and that's it, the opponent is blown away, in, this is science!

Well, REO-should revive the "Russian Entomological Review" and publish in the same way as they publish the Works of REO and as Zinovsky's English-language magazine Zoosyst. Rossica.

About the "magazine" - you're in vain. Zoosystematica is a very decent magazine that accepts only high-quality articles, and it is highly ranked in the world. This can be judged at least by the volume of the exchange list-journals that the ZIN library receives in exchange for ZR. Recently there was a story: Insecta Mundi stopped sending paper versions in exchange and send all disks with pdf. It was decided: what is it, and they only need to send a CD. So they assembled the editorial board, which decided to print an extra copy of their magazine specifically for the exchange for the paper version of ZR. Now ZR is printed not on a risograph, as it once was, but in a printing house (in the same place as ZIN's Works), with the possibility of color photos and with mandatory review. So this is not a "journal", but a full-fledged international taxonomic journal. By the way, the vast majority of articles published in it are entomological.

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I apologize if you misunderstood. A small magazine is affectionate, considering its compact format. I know it's a good one, but I only wish there were a few butterflies there

I know it's a good one, but it's a pity there aren't many butterflies there...

- probably the authors of descriptions of new taxa of lepidoptera believe that this publication is unworthy of their new models...

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I apologize if you misunderstood. A small magazine is affectionate, considering its compact format. I know it's a good one, but it's just a pity there aren't many butterflies there

The format of ZR is the same as that of EO, even slightly larger. Yes, there are relatively few articles on butterflies; for example, in the next issue there will be 2 such articles.

The format of ZR is the same as that of EO, even slightly larger. Yes, there are relatively few articles on butterflies; for example, in the next issue there will be 2 such articles.

Dear Tentator, it seems that you are close to the ZR editorial team. Enlighten the current situation with the magazine (although this is not on the topic). And then I have in my head the last conversation (without witnesses) with the respected late editor, that there are only a dozen subscribers (his friends), and even fifty copies were printed for the bible.exchange rate.

And what do you mean by the expressions "a full-fledged international taxonomic journal", "it is highly ranked in the world", which is not included in either ISI or Scopus and which mainly publishes ZIN employees - members of the editorial board. RSCI (radish) gives out these details and puts the magazine on 800 some place in its rating (Zool. zh., for example, on 90 some).

I gave up on this magazine after my note on page 2. the new edition lasted a year or a year and a half, changed the title of the article, the name of the new type, tried to put my co-author of the article as a co-author of the type, and even seriously changed the collection label (put the date and collector, which were not there), I don't count other small things. I barely missed the last two points.

Thank God, now there is a place to publish without such problems.

This post was edited by Grichanov - 05.04.2012 15: 34

Enlighten the current situation with the magazine

I will be happy to clarify the situation. Now the circulation of ZR is 150 copies. All foreign subscriptions are organized through the publishing company "Nauka/Interperiodika", Russian - via "Book by mail". Full-text versions of ZR articles will soon be available on the ZIN website. It is not only ZIN employees who are published in ZR (and especially not only members of the editorial board). For example, the last issue had 17 articles, not counting the obituary. Of these, 8 were non-ZIN employees; 4 articles were written by foreign authors.

Articles that are easily reviewed and edited are published within six months. "Problematic" articles have to be postponed until all controversial issues are resolved and the text is improved in accordance with the requirements of reviewers or the editor. I don't know anything about the situation with your article. Apparently, you sent it to the magazine when it was going through a bad time after I. M. Kerzhner's death; in fact, there were only two, sometimes three, "breakout" editors working at that time. And you can almost certainly say that at that time your article got to an editor who was very far from entomology. Now the situation has changed: the number of section editors has increased significantly, and almost every large group of animals has its own section editor.

Unfortunately, authors often send manuscripts of articles written in English that are not very good or even very bad, often new species names do not agree grammatically with generic names or suggest names that are not very successful with the so-called Latin grammar. In the latter case, the editor can recommend a more appropriate word or its form, and, judging by my experience, most authors agree with this. Grammatical matching in the binomial is a requirement of the ICZN. Of course, I don't want to say that all these shortcomings were in your case-I just don't know. But changing the authorship of the title and even more so the label by the editor (where would he get the information for this?) -"that's strange to hear. But even so, all ZR editors are quite reasonable and unambiguous people who are able to listen to facts and reasonable arguments.

As for the ISI, Scopus, and RSCI, I think you understand that everything related to these things is not very objective and, by and large, is of little importance for the main goals of the journal, which are: to publish the authors ' articles in good quality and make them as accessible to readers as possible. Here you write that the ZR is on the 90th place in the RSCI rating, but some articles that are published in it would never be published in the ZR due to their illiteracy. For example, recently I was shown a nomenclature article from the ZJ that needed to be translated for the English version of the magazine. So the authors apparently don't even know that there is a Code in the world, and the translator had to insert a lengthy note explaining the nomenclature problem considered in the article.

This post was edited by Tentator-05.04.2012 20: 26

The program of the XIV Congress of REO appeared on the REO website:
http://www.zin.ru/conferences/cres14/program.pdf

Will the abstracts themselves be sent or uploaded? It's very unpleasant, REO doesn't even send articles published in Entomological Review, I recently discovered that a translated article was published in Entomological review, and I don't even have a Russian version, they don't respond to requests to send at least a scan of the title page, and here they were translated for 1000 rubles, will there also be ignoring, because there are links to grants, for which to report

adults are all people, so why mix everything in a heap?

they will send it out (although I feel sorry for the people who will drag these books to the post office). try to ask your colleagues to pick up your package for you at check-in.

spread - I think that after the congress, yes, they will.

REO and Ent.A survey is different. REO currently does not have access to the PDF of articles. Science prints, but it doesn't give any PDF files or prints. REO is struggling, but so far. I bought my own on the site http://elibrary.ru/defaultx.asp

Sorry, but who will scan for you? There is a vicious circle here: few subscribers, an expensive magazine, no one has it...

All articles are translated during the year. On the site of Science, you need to find the address of the Ent rev page and there is an address where you can request a PDF transfer. It is sent to the author for free. But it's easier to download from Springer's website: http://www.springerlink.com/content/0013-8738/ - - ask someone who has access (in this case, can I download it and send it to your email address)

No one will come from our REO department, and no one will pay for their vacation or business trip. On the website of Science, we are sent to the editorial office of the EO and even given the address where we send the manuscripts. You posted here a file from the conference on entomology at St. Petersburg State University last year, please post here a file of abstracts from the REO congress (maybe it already exists?)

about Science and Ent Review everything I knew, I wrote to you.

English translation-tell me which article I will personally download and send you.

About theses - I can't post it myself - I don't have a file or permission. I would advise you to write after the congress (now everything is in a wild pen - the congress is in the next few days) to the Organizing Committee's email address and ask them to post it on the REO website. I think it will be done this way.

DRAFT supplement to the Charter of REO
Council of Elders of the Society

General provisions on the Council of Elders

5.18.1. In order to preserve the traditions and heritage of the Company, the continuity of generations and resolve disputes between members and branches of the Company, a Council of Elders of the Company is established in the structure of the Company's bodies.

5.18.2. The Council of Elders may include Honorary Members of the Society, as well as members of the Central Council who have reached the age of 65 and have participated in the Company's activities for at least 30 (thirty) years. Ex Officio members of the Council of Elders include the Honorary President and Vice-President in accordance with the direction of activity.

5.18.3. The Board of Elders of the Company is headed by the Chairman of the Board – the Honorary President of the Company, who is elected by the Congress from among the outstanding members of the Company who have held senior positions in the Company for many years at the suggestion of the Board of Elders.

5.18.4. The Honorary President is a member of the Presidium of the Central Council and the Council of Elders, has the right to convene them in an extraordinary manner and organize electronic voting.

Competence of the Council of Elders

5.19. The Council of Elders is responsible for resolving the following issues::

- settlement of disputes between members and branches of the Company;

- determination of the procedure for using the Company's libraries, archives, museums, collections and laboratories;

- sending proposals for the publication of scientific, pedagogical and other works in the Society's publications;

- proposal of candidates to the Company's commissions and councils;

- resolving other issues within its competence.

Decision-making by the Council of Elders

5.20.1. Meetings of the Board of Elders of the Company are conducted by the Chairman of the Board of Elders of the Company in full-time or in absentia (electronic) form.

5.20.2. The Board of Elders of the Company has the right to resolve issues referred to its competence, if there is a quorum – at least half of the members participate in voting (in person or electronically).

5.10.3. Decisions of the Board of Elders of the Company are adopted by open voting by a simple majority of votes. Participation in electronic voting is confirmed by a personal digital signature or other reliable method.

5.20.4. Meetings of the Company's Council of Elders are recorded in minutes.

I am Musolin:

and why create structures? There's a tip. Does it include incompetent people?

The second word should not be capitalized - this is not MMM.

"Ex officio members of the Council of Elders include the Honorary President (is there one? Or do I also need to prescribe it? Can one position of Chairman of the Ss be enough? Why produce two at once, knowing that it will be one person anyway?) and Vice-president in accordance with the direction of activity (the latter is unclear).

5.18.4. The Honorary President is a member of the Presidium of the Central Council and the Council of Elders( do not repeat it!), has the right to call them in an extraordinary manner and organize electronic voting.

5.19. The Council of Elders is responsible for resolving the following issues::

- determination of the procedure for using the Company's libraries, archives, museums, collections and laboratories;
----------------- and this is not spelled out in the current Charter? And what kind of museums, collections, and laboratories does the Society have???

- resolving other issues within its competence.
---- and where are the competencies registered?

5.20.3 . - what quorum is meant?

--"I don't think it's necessary at all. There is a Council and a Presidium. We choose decent people there ourselves, don't we? If we don't trust them to resolve disputes and determine how the library works, then why do we need them? And the Ss will be better. Whose decision will be higher - the Council, the Presidium, the Ss?

No need to invent unnecessary, unnecessary, stillborn....

Dmitry, I think you wrote this in the heat of the moment. This proposal is almost a copy of what is in the Charter of the Russian Geographical Society (geo) and probably other companies. In my opinion, this is the only way to rejuvenate the new Presidium and make it truly working, not honorary. If this is not done, the REO will continue to die.

DRAFT supplement to the Charter of REO
Council of Elders of the Society

And why? Do you lack bureaucracy and commissions/charters/instructions in your life?

Grichanov
today, 17: 46 URL #186

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DRAFT supplement to the Charter of REO
Council of Elders of the Society
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Dear Igor Yakovlevich, You suggest, in my opinion, a strong complication of the structure of the REO management (which ON a VOLUNTARY BASIS and let me remind you, "howls" from this load), inappropriate substitution of the names of governing bodies, and also suggest resolving situations that simply do not happen. For example:
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General provisions on the Council of Elders

5.18.1. In order to preserve the traditions and heritage of the Company, the continuity of generations and resolve disputes between members and branches of the Company, a Council of Elders of the Company is established in the structure of the Company's bodies.
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In life, there are disputes between individual members - let them be resolved by friends, colleagues, managers, and finally departments. Not to go to St. Petersburg to argue - then it's better to bring the dispute to the Supreme Court, his word is more weighty. But where have you seen disputes between BRANCHES? What should they share???
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5.18.2. The Council of Elders may include Honorary members of the Society members of the Central Board who have reached the age of 65 and have been involved in the Company's activities for at least 30 (thirty) years.
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We have already been through this - the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, headed by the General Secretary, Marshal of the Soviets. union (and proochaya, other, other...) L. I. Brezhnev. A in Min. It was a "paradise group" of Marshals of the same age. The results of their rule and, in particular, the management of troops-are known.
Yes, at least half of these "honorary members" need to go on a well-deserved vacation without severance pay - and you want a "paradise group"for them. Yes, and 90% of them do not need it, on a voluntary basis, ask any of them.
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Competence of the Council of Elders:
- determination of the procedure for using the Company's libraries, archives, museums, collections and laboratories;
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Museums, collections and laboratories, and perhaps archives-not in the Society, but in the ZIN - and so far, God knows, no one has encountered any obstacles to their work there. There is also the REO library, which is more difficult to work with, since there are no staff - but is there much there that is not available in the ZIN library, in laboratories, or personally from specialists? If you really need something , I think V. A. Krivokhatsky will help even without a "certain order".
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–sending proposals for the publication of scientific, pedagogical and other works in the Society's publications;
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Yes, they will send other Moscow "honorary members " - the" works "of plagiarists and fraudsters, whom they nominate in the degree "for beautiful eyes" - I have repeatedly published about this, see the Eversmannia website.
There are editorial boards for this - they need to be updated, I already "swore"in the winter. And the collections themselves should be reviewed and organized.
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5.20.3. Decisions of the Society's Council of Elders...
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I agree that we have the "Presidium" (VEO and then REO) by analogy with the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. And the "Council of Elders" is completely unfashionable - as if a return, at best, to the pre-feudal era of military democracy (for example, those who crushed the Roman Empire). Although then there was probably more democracy than in "democratic" Athens, and even more so now in any country of oligarchic capitalism-depending on which tribal leader, what are the elders, priests and military leaders...

Only it seemed to me that there was a discrepancy here?

it seems to me that everything is logical - 65 years old-get out of the Presidium, go to the Elders, if they accept, and someone younger will take his place

Musolin writes again:

"no, not in a rush. I don't see the need for another structure. not to mention the fact that the Charter should be registered, i.e. everything should be clear there. Why do we need both the Council and the Presidium now? If you think that the leadership should be young (which is quite logical), then speak before the elections at the congress and say so. But I don't see any need to change the charter and create new structures. By the way, it is not at all obvious from the proposed text that older people will be removed from the Council and the Presidium to this Ss... The council should be balanced and workable, not honorable... Also an honor to me...

Dear colleagues! It is a pity that there were opponents and I have to explain myself.
1. The purpose of the new structure is to separate those who want to be registered from those who want to work in the Council and the Presidium. I would like to look at the opponents who have lived to 80-100 years, would you like to lose the title of a member of the Council or the Presidium?
2. It is useless to speak at the congress: Mark Stolyarov spoke on this topic at the last congress, but nothing has changed in 5 years. Bureaucratic regulations can only be dealt with in the same way.
3. It is impossible to increase the number of "managers" indefinitely against the background of a reduction in the number of entomologists. So soon all entomologists will be in the Council, and all St. Petersburg entomologists - in the Presidium.
4. You can edit and shorten the draft extension. The main thing is not to throw the idea in the trash.

Musolin:

- You add structure.
- it is not at all clear how the rejuvenation or reduction of the Council and the Presidium takes place.
- it is clear that no one from other cities will come to any special meetings. Remote voting with just one phrase is not accepted. Then you need to make a detailed Statement about it.

I don't have a Charter on my hands. The Council is fully elected at the congress? That's why we need to speak before the elections. I wasn't in the past. If you didn't listen, maybe he spoke unconvincingly?

Musolin:

- You add structure.
- it is not at all clear how the rejuvenation or reduction of the Council and the Presidium takes place.
- it is clear that no one from other cities will come to any special meetings. Remote voting with just one phrase is not accepted. Then you need to make a detailed Statement about it.

This (and more) is the current work of the new (WORKING) Presidium, i.e. the creation of regulations on voting, elections, councils, the Presidium, etc.

Musolin:

I don't have a Charter on my hands. The Council is fully elected at the congress? That's why we need to speak before the elections. I wasn't in the past. If you didn't listen, maybe he spoke unconvincingly?

We consider the Charter of the early 1990s, available on the Internet, to be valid. Other documents (if they exist) are not available.
If you are interested in technical details, then the procedure can be as follows: The Congress on the 1st day accepts an amendment to the Charter. The elected Council at the 1st meeting forms the Council of Elders and a much reduced working Presidium (on the principle of 1 member - 1 function). These bodies independently choose the Honorary President and the President, who are approved by the Congress at the last plenary session by open voting.
This probably does not contradict the current Charter, although it can only be confirmed by members of the Presidium who are not present at this forum.

Musolin:

I totally disagree! The President is elected not by the Council, but by the Congress. And the Presidium is not an apparatus. It needs to be discussed and decided.

I don't understand why, if there is a Council and a Presidium according to the charter, you can't choose a normal council at the congress.

Dmitry, well, study at least the available Charter:
http://www.rhopalocera.com/ustav_res.pdf
and trust the person who hasn't missed a single convention in the last 30 years.

Grichanov
today, 13: 00 URL #196
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We consider the Charter of the early 1990s, available on the Internet, to be valid. Other documents (if they exist) are not available.
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I have in paper form the Charter issued in 1998. Personally, I am satisfied with the structure of the management. It doesn't make sense to change their names. Draft amendments to the Charter have already been posted on this forum (in winter-I don't remember, on this topic, or maybe on the one where they discussed salaries - there is no time to look for it and I don't want to ).
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If you are interested in technical details, then the procedure can be as follows: The Congress on the 1st day accepts an amendment to the Charter. The elected Council at the 1st meeting forms the Council of Elders and a much reduced working Presidium (on the principle of 1 member - 1 function). These bodies independently choose the Honorary President and the President, who are approved by the Congress at the last plenary session by open voting.
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This is a dialogue between the blind and the deaf.
They explain to you clearly that your suggestions are completely meaningless, and you are all about your own. But what to guess - you are in St. Petersburg, come and make these proposals - and then tell us what will come of it.
I will tell you, without leaving the Tula-Kaluga forests, that B. A. Korotyaev will be elected President. Everything there has long been decided without you and me, the agenda has been developed, the disposition is painted, no one will produce any additional useless structures, and no one is going to sit in them (what do they have nothing else to do?).

However, I found my own suggestions and calculations, and made my reasoning a little easier. I repeat, we do not need the" council of veterans"! Now let them not support much,. but they don't interfere with your work, either, or these "honorable" ones, like your priests, will start commanding you in a matter of hours...

Amendments, additions, and issues to the Charter.
First of all, it is necessary that the Charter be available on the Internet not only on the websites of some branches, but above all on the website of the Central Council.
1. According to Chapters 3 and 4.1
), it is not at all clear what "collective membership"is. The main thing is-what kind of contribution, CONTRIBUTIONS and by what principle do they make, how do they vote? Today in the institution one director - one policy, tomorrow another-will say, why do I need REO? Today there are entomologists there, tomorrow there are none - and who will work? If it is not possible to formulate this precisely and prescribe it in the Charter, then "collective" membership should also be canceled. We have territorial branches, so you can use the term "collective member" and "branch" synonymously. Moreover, large institutions with a single "entomological management" can act as discrete departments, and within one subject of the Russian Federation, due to competitive relations and other specifics, 2 or more local departments can be organized.
2) Add new Articles:
- - - Members of the REO who sponsor scientific publications, the entomological component of which is presented and edited by members of the Society, are exempt from paying annual membership fees.
3) Develop regulations on the printing bodies of the REO CA and REO branches, where official documents are published, among other things. Now the CA is, as it seems, an "Entomological Review", but there is information that it does not belong to the REO or does not fully belong. Members of the REO are published there on an incomprehensible principle, the editorial board works ...it doesn't matter...and it also skips children's articles (the clearest example: Insects of the CC RF in the N-sk republic). About pricing for EO - "a great mystery...". As a result, the Company does not actually have its own central body. Perhaps it is easier to leave the EO to the person who now owns it (even if he sells it for 2 or 4 thousand rubles), and revive his original "Russian Entomological Review"?
There are regional publications in some places, but they are not supported by the CA: it is necessary to specify in the Charter the obligation to support them, at least to the detriment of such Works of the ZIN or REO, which crumble after flipping through.
2. According to Chapter 5
, Article 5.1 ." The highest body of REO is the Congress of the Company" (!).
1) This is not very correct, because the congress meets once every 5 years. In fact, such a body is the Central Council headed by the Presidium. (Analogy: The highest body of the CPSU was not actually the CPSU Congress, but the Central Committee headed by the Politburo, which, if my memory serves me correctly, was elected by the Congress with the same frequency.)
2) But it should be said that the Central Executive Committee and other bodies are elected by the Congress for such and such a term; the most important organizational decisions are made by the Congress.
3) Specify the mandatory composition of delegates to the congress and the norm of representation from branches (for example, 1 delegate from 10 people). After all, all REO members cannot physically come to the congress, they cannot physically "interactively" vote, but they can elect delegates in their branches and give them their instructions. The right to vote at the congress should not be granted to all members sitting in the hall, but to delegates of branches in accordance with the norm of representation.
4) Prescribe a voting mechanism for those branches that (primarily due to the lack of special funding) cannot send delegates to the congress.
But now it turns out not very democratic: the congress in St. Petersburg-pass decisions that seem right to a large local group, in Moscow-similarly. And it is unrealistic to hold congresses in neutral territories. As A RESULT, THE DECISIONS OF THE CONGRESS ADOPTED IN THE TERRITORIES DOMINATED BY CROWDED BRANCHES HAVE NO LEGITIMACY.
3. According to Chapter 7. Specify that the general financial report of the REO CA should be published in the printed body of the Company (for now - "Entomological Review"), posted on the CA website and brought to the attention of the chairmen of all branches. Let people see where their contributions are going.
4. According to Chapter 8. It is not true that (Article 8.1) "branches of REO...are legal entities". Many, if not all, departments do not have such "faces". But- " maybe...".