RES Congress No. 14

Dear Lavr, your (and probably my) proposals are not for voting at the Congress. All that can be done is to write it down in the Decision of the Congress:
Instruct the CA and the Presidium to publish (including on the REO website) the main REO documents and revise the REO Charter, taking into account the proposals of the REO members.
Most likely, no one will implement this decision.

Musolin:

Igor, you're on the REO Board, aren't you? Why wasn't it brought up at the Council? Of course, the draft Charter should be discussed, but only the EdRo can accept it from scratch. But even 3 days before the congress, this is not done... And I think only the congress accepts the Charter. Have you discussed this with Belokobylsky, Krivokhatsky, and the President's office?

Why won't anyone? Here you are as a member of the Council, for example. Or who should??

I am not a member of the Council (unlike Lavr), and I am not privy to the secrets of the Madrid court. The members of the presidium from the VISR seem to be satisfied with everything as it is. I don't go to ZINA often, and I don't want to drink tea. In addition, I do not see any crime in an open, rather than behind-the-scenes discussion of acute problems (for example, here, and since the spring).

Musolin:

well, what does this have to do with secrets or crime? It's just that you can easily get information from these people, both by phone and by email. You can also get a valid Charter and find out how to change it. The project could be sent to all visitors - the same newsletter was made inform.messages. The Council does not read this forum. It would make sense not only to discuss it with us, but also with the Council, the Secretary.

I do not know the procedure, but let's try to get you elected to the Council. And then you will take on the task of revising the Charter (if necessary).

Grichanov
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I am not a member of the Council (unlike Lavr), and I am not privy to the secrets of the Madrid court.
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Alas, I am infinitely far from the Council - I am just the chairman of the regional branch of 11 people. I tried together with a number of colleagues in the winter to write something on this part in a more "high style" and publish it - but the field season has come, everyone has no time, including me, and since the CIA has learned that the congress is still going to raise annual contributions to 200 rubles. - some colleagues were completely disappointed in this members of the Presidium and promised to leave the ranks of REO. Thus, it is likely that the society may soon turn into a gang of employees of the capital's RANOVO institutions, which will be briefly joined by applicants for academic degrees who want to publish in the VAK EO.

is 200 rubles really a lot? It's not about the amount, of course. I'm in St. Petersburg now. I won't go to the plenary session, although there are 2 interesting reports. But I'll listen to the butterflies with pleasure. It was in the role of a free listener, because he did not write theses. I've already seen some of my colleagues from St. Petersburg, Saratov, and Saransk. Which I'm glad of.
Of course, there are a lot of problems in REO, ranging from clumsy EO, to garbage on the desktops of many of its members, but this is not a reason not to meet. And the congress is a good opportunity to discuss many issues, see our comrades-in-arms, and outline ways of new research. Although in general, conferences are archaic. With the Internet and open sources of information, they are becoming less and less justified in terms of costs for arrival, accommodation, etc
. but this is my opinion, no more than

In fact, I will also be going there soon, but of course not to attend a conference/congress, but to work in the ZIN. Yes, 200 rubles., in the absence of any return-this is for the majority of "village" members of the REO, not insect dealers and not "doctor of biological sciences-professors" - a lot.

is 200 rubles really a lot? It's not about the amount, of course. I'm in St. Petersburg now. I won't go to the plenary session, although there are 2 interesting reports. But I'll listen to the butterflies with pleasure. It was in the role of a free listener, because he did not write theses. I've already seen some of my colleagues from St. Petersburg, Saratov, and Saransk. Which I'm glad of.
Of course, there are a lot of problems in REO, ranging from clumsy EO, to garbage on the desktops of many of its members, but this is not a reason not to meet. And the congress is a good opportunity to discuss many issues, see our comrades-in-arms, and outline ways of new research. Although in general, conferences are archaic. In the presence of the Internet and open sources of information, they are becoming less and less justified in terms of the costs of arrival, accommodation, etc.

Roman, who exactly did you meet from Saratov? Anikina?

The congress has begun. It began with rain - and according to the Russian folk legend, rain at the beginning of the journey is good

Unfortunately, in the Nauka hotel, where I stayed, there is only Internet on the 1st floor - it is quite difficult to come down here every time to post or read something. Those who did not go to the plenary session - in vain. It was worth listening to Lukhtanov, Rasnitsyn, Abdurakhmanov and Knyazev. Other reports were also interesting, but I just don't know their topics, so I couldn't rate them.

I'll post photos and video reports from Helsinki-at least the Internet is normal there .

Hello everyone from St. Petersburg!

Gaudeamus igitur,
Juvenes dum sumus!
Post jucundam juventutem,
Post molestam senectutem
Nos habebit humus!

Today I was at the butterfly section, my wife at the beetle section. everything is interesting. We had a very good conversation - apart from the Zinovites, there were Anikin, Korb, Shovkun, Knyazev, Koshkin, Klepikov, Tatarinov, Kulakova and others..... it's all good.
I bought 2 interesting books-Lukhtanovs ' essays on catching butterflies and a book about collecting insects, published in KMK-press

It's a pity that the Molbiolovskys don't have any identification marks - I've been able to figure out very few of them so far. wouldn't hesitate to stop and get acquainted...

The congress is over for me, and I'm moving on.
it was very interesting. video report - I'll start posting it tomorrow.

.. Yes, it's a pity I didn't take part in the next REO congress for the first time. More precisely, FOR the FIRST TIME he did not publish his theses/articles in the collection of the congress. It is very inconvenient to go to St. Petersburg at this time... both for work and for everyday problems...
I would very much like to read the decisions taken at this REO congress. Are there any coordination decisions made on it?? Or everything remains as it was again... It's not about 200 re. they want to collect koi from entomologists on the ground - the point is in the SPECIFIC WORK of the REO with entomologists and their sympathizers on the ground! And then they ask me - and what exactly do our contributions go to??? At least some ezhigodnik/the report would come out on REO or something (paper!!! so that it could be shown to people!) ... I am already silent about the magazine EO-which has become the privilege of the "bohaty and successful" at the price per issue (I would like to look at a rich Russian entomologist-a member of the REO, of course)... Unfortunately, it is becoming more and more difficult to maintain "life" in the regional offices of REO on the ground. Only enthusiasts remain in our ranks and it is simply unrealistic to demand any feats in the name of science from them in our mercantile time... For some reason, in Russia, entomologists are remembered only if-for example, locusts have devoured agricultural crops, or caterpillars have eaten the grain crop, or the forest is bare without foliage... At least REO would open its own site (with a forum)... At least the news would be the latest...

PS Yes, and what did the REO badge do - I couldn't even buy it from falerists... What is difficult is to make a symbolism... theriologists have a badge, for example, and the "rent" is much more modest...

This post was edited by Penzyak - 01.09.2012 10: 10

I start posting my video notes. Indiscriminately, in a row.

August 27, 2012. Plenary session of the Congress. Opening of the 14th REO Congress

http://youtu.be/bOP7hLATavU

August 27, 2012 Plenary session of the Congress. Report on the Company's financial activities.


http://youtu.be/s8LRbixcUws

August 27. Plenary session of the Congress. Presentation of candidates for honorary members of the Society

http://youtu.be/dCtpSORV7RU

They say that the video was deleted.

Report on the activities of REO for the period from 2007 to 2012.

http://youtu.be/XgSBBdn8If0

They say that the video was deleted.

I deleted the non-working link. I'll try to cut it into pieces.

... Are there any coordination decisions made on it?? Or everything remains as it was again... It's not about 200 re. they want to collect koi from entomologists on the ground - the point is in the SPECIFIC WORK of the REO with entomologists and their sympathizers on the ground! And then they ask me - and what exactly do our contributions go to??? At least some ezhigodnik/the report would come out on REO or something (paper!!! so that it could be shown to people!) ... I am already silent about the magazine EO-which has become the privilege of the "bohaty and successful" at the price per issue (I would like to look at a rich Russian entomologist-a member of the REO, of course)... Unfortunately, it is becoming more and more difficult to maintain "life" in the regional offices of REO on the ground. Only enthusiasts remain in our ranks and it is simply unrealistic to demand any feats in the name of science from them in our mercantile time... For some reason, in Russia, entomologists are remembered only if-for example, locusts have devoured agricultural crops, or caterpillars have eaten the grain crop, or the forest is bare without foliage... At least REO would open its own site (with a forum)... At least the news would be the latest...

PS Yes, and what did the REO badge do - I couldn't even buy it from falerists... What is difficult is to make a symbolism... theriologists have a badge, for example, and the "rent" is much more modest...

did I understand correctly that you want someone to work for the Society, print, and bring all this to you for thanks? That is, so that everything was and there was nothing for it?. Yeah. Interesting. And put me in there...

And who will do for thank you?

Come on, you write it like this: I will create a magazine, a website with a forum, send out badges to you, and attract sponsors. That would be constructive. Take something on yourself. Why do we all only know how to demand?

and by points:
- published on paper-Works of REO (send, print), Readings of Kholodkovsky. Contributions are mainly spent on them and mailing lists. By the way, there are not enough contributions for this either (not to mention the EA, which also publishes reports).

- the high cost of EO is due to the scanty circulation (200 copies). Find a print shop that will print it for 10 rubles. (Science is the cheapest in St. Petersburg).

- now they sold 4 types of badges (this congress and rare ones).

did I understand correctly that you want someone to work for the Society, print, and bring all this to you for thanks? That is, so that everything was and there was nothing for it?. Yeah. Interesting. And put me in there...

And who will do for thank you?

Come on, you write it like this: I will create a magazine, a website with a forum, send out badges to you, and attract sponsors. That would be constructive. Take something on yourself. Why do we all only know how to demand?

and by points:
- published on paper-Works of REO (send, print), Readings of Kholodkovsky. Contributions are mainly spent on them and mailing lists. By the way, there are not enough contributions for this either (not to mention the EA, which also publishes reports).

- the high cost of EO is due to the scanty circulation (200 copies). Find a print shop that will print it for 10 rubles. (Science is the cheapest in St. Petersburg).

- now they sold 4 types of badges (this congress and rare ones).

For a print run of 100 copies. "Eversmannia" costs an average of 300 rubles per issue. If it is made with the EO volume , it will cost 400 rubles. And this is much cheaper than EO .

The problem is not to find it cheaper, but that in Science it is free for Society-listen to the corresponding video.

August 27, 2012 Discussion of membership fees.

http://youtu.be/3xT4jMb-1p0

August 27, 2012 Plenary session. Presentation of diplomas to Honorary members of the Society.

http://youtu.be/7KOP8XJeRlY

For a print run of 100 copies. "Eversmannia" costs an average of 300 rubles per issue. If it is made with the EO volume , it will cost 400 rubles. And this is much cheaper than EO .

The problem is not to find it cheaper, but that in Science it is free for Society - listen to the corresponding video.

I didn't understand what you meant... i.e. if you find it for a fee, it will be cheaper?

I don't need to listen to the video, I was there and saw the estimate that I specifically requested from the publishing house B. A. Korotyaev.

And Eversmania is also published in English (among other journals of the Russian Academy of Sciences, not REO, by the way), it is distributed abroad and its authors receive royalties?

Maybe it makes sense to consider everything in a complex? Or come and have a constructive discussion with those who do w-l and are aware of it?

I didn't understand what you meant... i.e. if you find it for a fee, it will be cheaper?

I don't need to listen to the video, I was there and saw the estimate that I specifically requested from the publishing house B. A. Korotyaev.

And Eversmania is also published in English (among other journals of the Russian Academy of Sciences, not REO, by the way), it is distributed abroad and its authors receive royalties?

Maybe it makes sense to consider everything in a complex? Or come and have a constructive discussion with those who do w-l and are aware of it?

So I was there...
Eversmannia is widespread abroad. Just like in EO, Eversmannia does not receive any fees. Only those whose articles are then published in the United States receive royalties in the EO.

I tried to discuss this at the Congress. Once I was quickly directed in the direction of " you are still young and stupid." So I decided it was all useless. They will still follow the path of least resistance.

And the example of Eversmannia was given only to show what can be done cheaper.

August 27, 2012 Plenary session. REO Council elections.

http://youtu.be/ZaJ74xLdmbM

So I was there...
Eversmannia is widespread abroad. Just like in EO, Eversmannia does not receive any fees. Only those whose articles are then published in the United States receive royalties in the EO.

I tried to discuss this at the Congress. Once I was quickly directed in the direction of " you are still young and stupid." So I decided it was all useless. They will still follow the path of least resistance.

And the example of Eversmannia was given only to show what can be done cheaper.

- you can look at the translated version of the magazine (I meant, of course, this, and not the fact that the editorial board sends n copies by mail).

- I receive royalties from all authors of EO, because all articles have been translated for a long time (+ entomol articles from Zool zh-la) (you just need to go to Moscow Time for them, which is strained, I agree).

- I have not seen a normal discussion and raising of this issue.

What's the problem? There are 2 (or more w-lov). Who likes what. The Company does not spend on the publication of EO those contributions that can be obtained (with great difficulty) from the branches. Of course, you can improve your work. Who wants to take it?

You don't have any heated discussions or debates there, just like at the CPSU congress - no objections?"no objection." do you all agree?-everyone agrees, thank you all?-thank you all! )))

And there is nothing about insects.

You don't have any heated discussions or debates there, just like at the CPSU congress - no objections?"no objection." do you all agree?-everyone agrees, thank you all?-thank you all! )))

And there's nothing about insects.

prematurely you are so. I just got started

- you can look at the translated version of the magazine (I meant, of course, this, and not the fact that the editorial board sends n copies by mail).

- I receive royalties from all authors of EO, because all articles have been translated for a long time (+ entomol articles from Zool zh-la) (you just need to go to Moscow Time for them, which is strained, I agree).

- I have not seen a normal discussion and raising of this issue.

What's the problem? There are 2 (or more w-lov). Who likes what. The Company does not spend on the publication of EO those contributions that can be obtained (with great difficulty) from the branches. Of course, you can improve your work. Who wants to take it?

"I'm happy for them. it is a pity that mere mortals will never be the authors of EO.

- similarly.

"I could help a lot of people. create and maintain a website(s), create and process databases, and design publications. but who needs it? )

"don't make it up... all the authors of EO are mere mortals. Write a strong article and you will have every chance to publish it there (or in a better magazine).

- if you can help many people, why wasn't it suggested during the congress week? it would be easier to discuss all this there! It so happened that the REO center is located in Zina. Everyone also addresses criticism there. You should also offer help there...

"don't make it up... all the authors of EO are mere mortals. Write a strong article and you will have every chance to publish it there (or in a better magazine).

- if you can help many people, why wasn't it suggested during the congress week? it would be easier to discuss all this there! It so happened that the REO center is located in Zina. Everyone also addresses criticism there. You should also offer help there...

we are inhabiting the different realities... i guess
I'm always ready to help. you just need to apply.

August 27, 2012 Plenary session. Report

Lukhtanov V. A., Kuznetsova V. G., Shapoval N. A., Anokhin B. A. Hybridogenic
speciation in insects: analysis of molecular and cytogenetic data.

Not uploaded at the request of the author. Information from the report has not yet been published.

Don't talk about reality. The main issue is the quality of the article.

Everyone is waiting for someone to do it, come, ask, invite, send, take. If this is your Society, take the initiative!

Don't talk about reality. The main issue is the quality of the article.

Everyone is waiting for someone to do it, come, ask, invite, send, take. If this is your Society, take the initiative!

Quality is not the main issue. In EO, there is such nonsense printed that neither in a fairy tale to say, nor with a pen to describe. Like the recent one about Red Book species. So the quality has nothing to do with it .

An initiative... I tried it. Let's see what this gives.

You don't have any heated discussions or debates there, just like at the CPSU congress - no objections?"no objection." do you all agree?-everyone agrees, thank you all?-thank you all! )))

And there's nothing about insects.

So after all, all party members-what to discuss something..
For some reason,I thought that REO was the Russian Entomological Society.Well, when it's Russian, then where are we,the Tatars?..Nationalism!

Stas, let's already show the banquet, maybe it will be more fun there.

So after all, all party members-what to discuss something..
For some reason,I thought that REO was the Russian Entomological Society.Well, when it's Russian, then where are we,the Tatars?..Nationalism!

it was very painful to accept... I was at that meeting...sometime in the 1990s. As far as I remember, the point (idiocy) is that not everyone can use the word "Russian" ("All-Russian") in their names. Either a registration permit is required, or a fee is charged. I don't know how it is now...

Stas, let's already show the banquet, maybe it will be more fun there.

REO has always been the Russian Entomological Society.

And I didn't film the banquet. It was not before

it was very painful to accept... I was at that meeting...sometime in the 1990s. As far as I remember, the point (idiocy) is that not everyone can use the word "Russian" ("All-Russian") in their names. Either a registration permit is required, or a fee is charged. I don't know how it is now...

It was Russian even before the revolution. And at the same time it remained multinational. There is nothing offensive in this name if people have brains in their heads, and not kyu.

it's not that simple. there is a difference between Russian and Russian (in Russian). I would prefer the Russian one a thousand times over. And that was the general consensus. But the measure was forced. I.e. there was no other possibility.