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24.12.2012 0:12, Ellionq

The best canned oak products are acorns

25.12.2012 15:48, Пимполина

We continue to hatch, today here is such a beauty came out.
Can you tell me what it's called? The butterfly is very large, with a wingspan of at least 15 centimeters.

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25.12.2012 21:23, МаракуЙА

Argema Mimosa feeds on mimosas, as well as on various types of sumac

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Hmm, can you replace sumac and mimosa with something?Well, for example raspberries,or acacia?

28.12.2012 13:15, Entomon

I don't know what to say to you:- (

30.12.2012 2:03, Сергей Виталиевич

Found such a caterpillar)))) she became a pupa))) How long should it take to hatch??...

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02.01.2013 16:29, vasiliy-feoktistov

Found such a caterpillar)))) she became a pupa))) How long should it take to hatch??...

This is Saturnia pyri (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775): look for information on this butterfly. Somewhere on this forum you can even read in my opinion.

02.01.2013 16:37, vasiliy-feoktistov

We continue to hatch, today here is such a beauty came out.
Can you tell me what it's called? The butterfly is very large, with a wingspan of at least 15 centimeters.

This Papilio rumanzovia Eschscholtz, 1821.
Actually, there are separate branches on the forum for determining representatives of different orders of insects.
In particular on butterflies: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=133596 wink.gif
I recommend using it.

09.01.2013 15:39, vitalbata

I have several Cucullia verbasci pupae. Caterpillars before turning into pupae, around themselves in the ground clung hard rock from sand and other rock. The cocoons became stone. Now cocoons are already standing in a warm room. I wanted to ask how they will come out of this "stone", do not need additional moisture or something else?

09.01.2013 15:46, okoem

I always got out normally, having made a hole. How they manage to do this in such a dense and strong cocoon is amazing!

11.01.2013 17:03, МаракуЙА

The eggs of the butterfly Rothschildia jacobaea appeared .Has anyone ever had one?What kind of care is needed for the caterpillar?Kokov egg care?

17.01.2013 18:55, PhilGri

Dear participants,
is it acceptable to keep Eudia pavonia cocoons in an unheated but airtight attic in winter? The temperature there is higher than outside, but below zero. I think it ranges from zero to minus 10 during the winter. It is unlikely that conditions are milder in natural wintering conditions?

18.01.2013 8:42, okoem

If in natural conditions the cocoons are under snow, then the temperature there probably does not drop to -10. Check the temperature in the attic and see for yourself, it may be safer to put them in the refrigerator...

21.01.2013 1:25, PhilGri

If in natural conditions the cocoons are under snow, then the temperature there probably does not drop to -10. Check the temperature in the attic and see for yourself, it may be safer to put them in the refrigerator...


The thing is, there's no thermometer in the housesmile.gif, but it was better than I thought. At -15 on the street, I put a saucer of water in the attic. I didn't freeze overnight. I think that even if it drops to -5 in the cold, the pupae will survive.

21.01.2013 10:23, lup

I plan to buy several types of birdwings, what to feed?

21.01.2013 17:35, Euchloron

Pupae of pavonias can withstand minus 20-30 degrees without any problems. I kept them in the winter in the open air and above the snow, and they hatched normally. But at a temperature of +10 or so, they can start to develop and get out ahead of time.
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26.01.2013 15:06, Entomon

I plan to buy several types of birdwings, what to feed?

What types exactly?

25.02.2013 12:43, EZer0

Good afternoon!

I have a lilac Hawk Moth pupa. He has been living for the second winter.
The pupa is alive. I held it up to the light in my hands to take a picture, and it started to move, which scared me a lot smile.gif

As an expert, I would like to know if you have any recommendations for content? What do I need to do to make the pupa hatch? What are the necessary conditions for starting the conversion reaction? Do I have a chance to wait for the butterfly?

It now lives inside a large glass jar, in relative partial shade, on the shelf of a wooden cabinet. Maybe it should be exposed to the light in the spring?


The photo is posted on the site Lepidoptera.ru, here:
http://lepidoptera.ru/gallery/20335



Sincerely,
Boris Laryushin
http://lepidoptera.ru/gallery?people=264&perpage=100

25.02.2013 13:16, okoem

What do I need to do to make the pupa hatch? What are the necessary conditions for starting the conversion reaction?

- You need to keep it just as you keep it. If it's still alive, then it's all right.
"I don't think there's any way to speed it up.
Be patient. Hawk moth pupae can lie for several years, which is normal.
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25.02.2013 15:46, EZer0

- You need to keep it just as you keep it. If it's still alive, then it's all right.
"I don't think there's any way to speed it up.
Be patient. Hawk moth pupae can lie for several years, which is normal.

Thank you so much for your valuable information. The first year I waited, I thought to hatch and threw it on the shelf, I thought it died and withered. And in the second year I decided to take a picture, imagine my fright!!! Silence in the apartment, I turn on a strong lamp, hold the camera at magnification with one hand, bring it closer to the light, aim the camera, and the pupa moves in my hands. Still creepy! I am not a superstitious person, but now I have a sacred fear of nature, a similar shock described in the story of Edgar A. Poe, "The Sphinx".


Sincerely,
Boris Laryushin
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25.02.2013 21:16, кай-я

07.03.2013 9:07, выдер

Good day to all!

We bought tobacco hawk moth caterpillars for the" scientific work " of a first-grader. They offered everything they could find in winter, and the caterpillars agreed to eat Peking cabbage. Of the 14 pieces, 3 remained, which today went underground. The death of the others is not clear. The evening is relatively cheerful - in the morning they lie without signs of life and become soft. What are we going to do next?
I really want to dig up the ground and look at the cocoon itself, but is it worth it?
what conditions should I create now? At home about 22 gr., I can put the soil with them on the battery. Do I need to moisturize?

07.03.2013 9:30, okoem


The death of the others is not clear. The evening is relatively cheerful - in the morning they lie without signs of life and become soft. What are we going to do next?
I really want to dig up the ground and look at the cocoon itself, but is it worth it?
what conditions should I create now? At home about 22 gr., I can put the soil with them on the battery. Do I need to moisturize?

The death of the rest could have been caused by a lack of ventilation or by eating Peking cabbage.
It is necessary to dig up the soil about a week after instillation, not earlier.
You'll probably fry them on the battery.
I don't know about this particular type of hydration.

07.03.2013 9:52, выдер

Thanks for the reply.
Sorry about the caterpillars. We tried very hard to give them delicious food, even bought them nightshade, which they ignored, although it was indicated. that it seems like they should eat it.
And then what is the best way to deal with them? Put the ground closer/further away from the battery?

09.03.2013 13:44, Euchloron

Caterpillars of this species cannot be grown on cabbage. They always die on it. This crop is generally adapted to artificial food. It is better to grow on it. From plants, they eat tomatoes, peppers, potatoes, dereza, nightshade our local with red berries.
For pupation, they need high humidity, but with limited ventilation, they create it themselves.

10.03.2013 0:26, Jigit

I'm from St. Petersburg, I decided to start breeding butterflies, but I didn't find any ads for the sale of pupae frown.gif...
if anyone knows where you can buy pupae, please tell me plizzzzz....
and one more question... how do pupae survive transportation if ordered from.... Moscow for example.....
ray1@bk.ru

you can view it here http://www.bugdesign.com.ua/?pager=4219

10.03.2013 15:00, МаракуЙА

Who knows how to mate butterflies?Especially interested in how to pair Attacus caesar.
I paired kaligo atreus, and Attacus caesar does not work out not how...

10.03.2013 17:45, выдер

They didn't eat our nightshade.
And we didn't sell artificial food here, so I asked and searched.
Well, next time we'll try to have them in the summer, when there will be potatoes and tomatoes. Well, let's hope that something from those who have gone to the ground will come out.
Thanks!

10.03.2013 18:54, Euchloron

They didn't eat our nightshade.
And we didn't sell artificial food here, so I asked and searched.
Well, next time we'll try to have them in the summer, when there will be potatoes and tomatoes. Well, let's hope that something from those who have gone to the ground will come out.
Thanks!

They don't sell it in stores. But if you need it, I can send it by mail (if you are not in Moscow time). Nightshades are different. They eat some things, but some donfrown.gif't

11.03.2013 19:41, Бабочник

Attacuses are not the easiest butterflies in this business..you don't have to do it once in a while. They often have both males and females refusing to mate within the same genetic line.
Otherwise, everything is as usual...

13.03.2013 6:52, выдер

pasib for the offer. Let's wait for someone to break out or not, and then we'll decide. if something happens, we will take advantage of your offer.

13.03.2013 18:20, выдер

due to the carelessness of Rodney, a jug of earth was dropped today.
1. there are pupae. I.e., the caterpillars not only went into the ground, but also pupated. the pupae are alive.
2. I do not know at what depth they were. Now buried 4-5 cm.
For how long is it necessary?
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15.03.2013 12:50, МаракуЙА

What's going on?!What to do?It is the attacuses that do not spread their wings.At Attacus atlas, the wings did not straighten so much..The female hatched,but the wings were still small...Then Attacus Caesar.Out of 8, 6 hatched and out of 6,only one male had his wings spread out exactly, while all of them were small and remained.
What's the matter?What to do?

15.03.2013 13:00, Bad Den

Humidity is low m. b.

15.03.2013 13:04, Seneka

What's going on?!What to do?It is the attacuses that do not spread their wings.At Attacus atlas, the wings did not straighten so much..The female hatched,but the wings were still small...Then Attacus Caesar.Out of 8, 6 hatched and out of 6,only one male had his wings spread out exactly, while all of them were small and remained.
What's the matter?What to do?
Where is Grena from, from nature or from the farm?

This post was edited by Seneka - 03/15/2013 13: 06

15.03.2013 14:54, МаракуЙА

Where is Grena from, from nature or from the farm?

When I ordered pupae, I was told that they were bred on the farm.

15.03.2013 14:56, МаракуЙА

Humidity is low m. b.

Humidity is normal.I have many species in one insectarium, the humidity is the same.And all but the attacuses hatch normal

15.03.2013 15:47, Seneka

When I ordered pupae, I was told that they were bred on the farm.

Theoretically, in addition to humidity and other climatic factors that differ sharply from the native ones, there may also be genetic reasons.

1) closely related crossing (inbreeding) increases the probability of hidden mutations in the phenotype. I.e., you need to regularly update the number of butterflies on the farm from nature, and this is most likely not done, because there is enough of your own gren.

2) on the farm, from generation to generation, butterflies are bred in a confined space without predators. In such close conditions, defective males have no obstacles to finding females "on foot", otherwise people will help, and there is no risk of being eaten before mating, hence the risk of spreading mutations. For females, finding a mate is not so critical, but the lack of risk of being eaten also affects.

This post was edited by Seneka - 03/15/2013 15: 50

15.03.2013 16:58, МаракуЙА

Theoretically, in addition to humidity and other climatic factors that differ sharply from the native ones, there may also be genetic reasons.

1) closely related crossing (inbreeding) increases the probability of hidden mutations in the phenotype. I.e., you need to regularly update the number of butterflies on the farm from nature, and this is most likely not done, because there is enough of your own gren.

2) on the farm, from generation to generation, butterflies are bred in a confined space without predators. In such close conditions, defective males have no obstacles to finding females "on foot", otherwise people will help, and there is no risk of being eaten before mating, hence the risk of spreading mutations. For females, finding a mate is not so critical, but the lack of risk of being eaten also affects.

It turns out nothing can be done?

15.03.2013 17:20, Seneka

It turns out nothing can be done?

Get material from different places and mix, strictly, males from one place, females from another. Keep a log of the Male-Place1 X Female-Place2 variants and try not to repeat yourself in future generations. And to speed up the recovery process, it is desirable to exclude defective individuals from breeding, although not necessarily. After 1-2 generations, the mutations will go into a heterozygous state, and everything should return to normal.

Or a little easier. Each time Place 2 is crossed, it can be the same point or area, but it must be a wild population. At least 1-2 new individuals for each generation.

This post was edited by Seneka - 03/15/2013 17: 45

15.03.2013 17:44, МаракуЙА

Get material from different places and mix, strictly, males from one place, females from another. Keep a log of the Male-Place1 X Female-Place2 variants and try not to repeat yourself in future generations. And to speed up the recovery process, it is desirable to exclude defective individuals from breeding, although not necessarily. After 1-2 generations, the mutations will go into a heterozygous state, and everything should return to normal.

Thank you.I have all the gren from Caesar attacuses obtained from undrawn butterflies (as I wrote, I only had one male killed).I hope something happens.
There may be a chance that this is a non-brood. eggs?

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