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13.10.2012 19:49, Andrey Ponomarev

Gennadich, you brought out l.quercus, didn't you? tell me, what is the size of the caterpillars at the last age?
I think mine are suspiciously small. mid-6th age, and only 4cm long. confused.gif

4 cm is something too small for the caterpillars of this butterfly.
The caterpillar length of the male bred by me at the last age was about 6-6. 5 cm.
So I think you can't do without diapause.

13.10.2012 21:34, Hierophis

There was a question about the content of tobacco hawkmoth Manduca sexta.


Do we have such hawkmoth in nature? Not yet?? Skkoro will be! )))))

Probably the point of using embryos in a large amount of protein and necessary trace elements, which may be more strongly dispersed there.

I haven't heard about such food yet, well, if it is popular -
" wait on potatoes and tomatoes in your garden, soon!"))))))

13.10.2012 21:42, Mistes

Unfortunately, our native bindweed hawk moth is not so easy to find. Some tongues fly. And there is no point in releasing tobacco into the wild. smile.gif Terrarium animals are always hungry. smile.gif Besides, environmental sabotage is a familiar term.

By the way, they already sell them in Moscow...

13.10.2012 21:50, Hierophis

Well, it is obvious that sooner or later this will happen, and the butterflies will be released, or rather they may even already fall, just a certain number of such cases should accumulate, and some time should pass. And there is still not a fact that it will take root, although, judging by its natural range, it should at least live up to 50 latitudes in our country smile.gif
A bindweed may not breed so well and eat just about anything.

In general, an interesting idea, although I personally have enough marbles, if I bred these hawkmoth then for observations. To maintain the culture, you need to mess around with pupation and mating, sorting, this is more difficult than breeding zophobos, probably as laborious as breeding crickets.

14.10.2012 2:00, headshotboy

14.10.2012 13:36, Hierophis

Well, as a fodder crop for "business purposes" or large vivariums is quite suitable! There are many advantages, the caterpillars look very nutritious in my opinion( although it's better to ask the opinion of eublefar or agamasmile.gif) with zofobos, you can't compare it for sure in terms of nutritional value, even if they lose to straight-winged ones.

And for me personally, it would just be interesting to try to breed on artificial feed, but as a permanent option, I would hardly plant it.. and released it!!! )))))))))

After all, they breed the same firefly for food.

14.10.2012 14:03, Mistes

In principle, wheat germ can be perfectly replaced with spruce sawdust, and milk protein-crushed lime, which, in figs, is the difference - still white powder, cheap and angry. Linseed oil is replaced with used automobile glue, casein - casein stationery glue, a set of vitamins - ascorbic acid. It turns out a super mixture that can be used in a variety of ways - for example, just throw it out, is also not bad, ny? tongue.gif  shuffle.gif

The main question is-and, sopsno, what the hell is fooling around with the butterfly culture?
Who are you going to feed with these particular caterpillars?



I don't want to sound rude on a new resource for me, but if I were a moderator, you wouldn't be jumping around with such posts for a long time. I asked a specific question and expected to get a specific answer from competent people.
If you haven't met these animals in the culture and haven't seen what kind of animals they are and how they are eaten, I can't call this my problem. In terms of nutrition, hawk moth caterpillars are superior to locusts, at least not inferior to them. And definitely superior to zofobus. There is much less fuss with them. Approximately at the level of crickets, even less.

14.10.2012 14:35, headshotboy

Well, as a fodder crop for "business purposes" or large vivariums is quite suitable!

That's the point.
It's just that locusts always remain locusts - you can sell them at any stage, on the contrary, they usually keep the larvae; but the overgrown caterpillar will go into the pupa and then into the imago, which no one really needs.

14.10.2012 15:59, Hierophis

Mistes, yes, everything happens on this resource, and even more northerly it got very cold, the insects hid, the school year began, everyone is angry, then they will still be more aggressive)))))))))))

If you already have caterpillars and / or eggs, tell us what they are in and how they are kept. smile.gif
There are several topics on the content of butterflies as a culture, including even swallowtails, apollo and other sailboats, the main goal there is to get collectible specimens.

headshotboy, I have ognevki themselves divorced in a pack of cereals, and in such quantities that it's just creepy, in theory, they have enough conditions similar to the conditions for breeding small flour khrushchak - that is, a container that is very spacious and covered with a grid on top, and a pull-out tray in which a layer of dry grain is poured. That's it, that's the whole cycle. They do not need water at all, apparently, like flour crushers-they develop in complete dryness due to the metabolically obtained water.

In such a capacity, even a couple of crosses can be started - you will get a very good ecosystem with a very long period of isolation wink.gif

14.10.2012 16:25, Mistes

No, I don't have any eggs or caterpillars yet. I don't see much point in getting animals without specifying the problem points and preparing the cages. I'll be in Moscow in a month or two, and it's quite possible I'll get it - then I'll write about the results.

There are no locusts in Krasnodar yet either. I'll probably try them later or in parallel with the hawk moth. For her, the main problem is heating and a sufficient amount of feed. If it is also possible to plant it on the IPS, then the problems with breeding will become much less.

I have information about the maintenance and breeding of sailboats and heliconids, but I don't have a corresponding goal. smile.gif For the soul, I still have enough terrariums and cockroaches, but for the food of both those and other butterflies - it's a pity. smile.gif

15.10.2012 6:22, Svetlana1973

when the bedstraw hawk moth hatches
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I had a B/w 9 months after pupation (August), i.e. in June of the following year.

15.10.2012 14:51, headshotboy

For locusts, another problem is the size of the cage, it needs a lot of space. Especially for adults.

15.10.2012 21:50, Mistes

It is described in the literature as 40x40x60 per 100 adults. Or 200-300 juveniles.

15.10.2012 23:34, headshotboy

Well, in principle, yes-almost a liter of volume per imago, but, IMHO, much depends on ventilation. If the cage is netted, and the ventilation in the room is active, you can do less (a little!), but if it is solid and in the room, then it is better to have more.

Crickets can be planted three to four times denser, especially with intensive cultivation and good ventilation. Plus, the cricket is basically a "two - dimensional" creature, it doesn't need a high cage, you can put trays in a rack - this doesn't work with locusts, you need volume.

16.10.2012 13:32, Cartman86

Please tell me, light is required when removing a butterfly from its pupa. Terr stands with pupae in klodovke

17.10.2012 18:07, Anax chernobila

Good day to all! I found a caterpillar of a grass cocoonworm 3 days ago. She refuses to eat forage plants, and behaves sluggishly.. I understood that she was going to spend the winter. Can you tell me how to arrange it for wintering?

18.10.2012 19:28, Guest

I say right away, I'm not very well versed in entomology and biology in general because I'm 15 years old and we don't have biology for the second year =(
In the summer, I put a swallowtail caterpillar, already thick and large, in a converted box. She soon successfully became a pupa, but first, it took three weeks to wait until the imago appeared (is this normal?) and the chitin of the wings and antennae was damaged, twisted and in holes, so it hardened.
A similar problem occurred with the filly after molting, in another box.
In nature, such an outrage did not occur
In the box there was enough space to slip off, the pupa was not damaged.

19.10.2012 6:22, Anax chernobila

Humidity is not enough (for a filly). It should be sprayed a little with a spray gun before and during molting... As for the butterflies - I also had this, the main thing is to provide suitable conditions for the pupating caterpillar: do not touch it with your hands, do not drop it, so that nothing disturbs it.. And pupating just at the bottom of the box is not desirable, you need leaves... And in nature, such specimens are immediately eaten by someone..

19.10.2012 13:38, Guest

The swallowtail was pupating by hanging itself from the side of the box. Thank you so much for the information!

20.10.2012 6:57, Helen0210

Please tell me, light is required when removing a butterfly from its pupa. Terr stands with the pupae in the cloakroom

Optional. But it may fall into diapause. I had it like this 1 time with a Swallowtail.

22.10.2012 10:57, Cartman86

Optional. But it may fall into diapause. I had it like this 1 time with a Swallowtail.


I meant after the refrigerator. rolleyes.gif

22.10.2012 22:16, Hierophis

And I had a misfortune, I grew a caterpillar of a milkweed hawk moth, and put the pupa in a terrarium with Phryne for a while, then I thought about moving it to winter quarters, but I used to keep pupae for a month, and no one hatched, and yesterday I look - Phryne finishes the butterfly frown.gifHatched without lying down for a week!

07.11.2012 20:33, Kitty-13

Please tell me if the pupae of hawk moth should move for the winter in the refrigerator? The wine glass had been in the room for a month, then in the refrigerator for a month, but now it was moving more than when it was warm. The bedstraw, on the contrary, barely moves compared to a warm room.

27.11.2012 14:03, Wild Yuri

On wintering in the refrigerator, pupae usually do not move, because it is cold, "life freezes". In the warmth of more vigorous. Pupae with the formed butterfly are motionless.
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08.12.2012 12:12, МаракуЙА

Tell us more about keeping and breeding butterflies: Attacus Atlas,Saturnia Mimosa and Rumyantsev's Sailboat.
Help!Not where I did not find anything about their maintenance and breeding.What to feed their caterpillars,how to breed them and what should be the conditions for their breeding.
How to incubate their eggs and how to incubate their cocoons (pupae)??? confused.gif

15.12.2012 1:14, Entomon

Butterflies do not have eggs, but eggs))) Tropical eggs need to be incubated in a humid environment, avoiding condensation on the eggs, which will cause mold to appear on them. In saturnias and sailboats, eggs are incubated for at least 7 days. If nothing happened after a month, then the clutch was not fertilized, or simply died and can be discarded
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"Nursery" of Pear Saturnia (brood cage, below you can see eggs laid on paper)
As for the tracks:
Atlases eat: lilac, mulberry. Argema Mimosa feeds on mimosas, as well as on various types of sumac, and as for the Sailboat Rumyantsev, here the matter is more complicated - it feeds on citrus leaves and nothing else. For Saturn caterpillars, too high humidity is not needed (70%-75%), for sailboats the same thing, the main thing is to monitor the humidity and monitor the formation of condensation on the walls of the cage and leaves, the cage should be ventilated, if the caterpillar eats a leaf with a drop of water, it can die, and the small caterpillar will drown altogether. Well, as for the pupae, in my opinion, they are easy to incubate, the main thing: high humidity(90% -95%) and temperature (preferably 35°C, but you can also lower it, within 20°C)and a place in the incubator so that the butterfly can fully spread its wings.

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The swallowtail spreads its wings.

This post was edited by Entomon - 12/15/2012 01: 21

17.12.2012 19:41, Entomon

Can I preserve sumac for Argema mimosae?

17.12.2012 19:41, Entomon

Can I collect forage plants in the cemetery?

17.12.2012 23:37, headshotboy

Can I collect forage plants in the cemetery?

You can, but you need to keep in mind that you can get zombie butterflies cool.gif umnik.gif shuffle.gif

17.12.2012 23:59, Hierophis

When you tear up plants for food in "cultural places"- there is always a chance to run into sprayed ones, this is very unlikely, but it really happens. Here already-lucky or not)

18.12.2012 0:08, headshotboy

This is, in general, not so unlikely - and not necessarily processed. It is enough for the tops to pull out of the soil any rubbish that is there - from an industrial zone or a highway.

18.12.2012 0:18, Hierophis

I think all these stories about toxic industrial zones and highways are not very relevant. Otherwise there would be no animals near the roads at smile.gifall

18.12.2012 3:17, headshotboy

In my opinion, all these stories about toxic industrial zones and highways are not very relevant. Otherwise, there would be no animals near the roads at all smile.gif

This, as usual, is strictly "your way" - apparently, your experience is just enough for such generalizations. In addition to the Colorado potato beetle and the winter scooper, there are also a certain number of diverse living creatures that are not so resistant to anthropogenic impact.

Try using similar material to raise, for example, the same parnassus-and see what happens.

There are some specific differences in the sensitivity of different life forms to different chemical agents.

18.12.2012 19:58, Hierophis

An anthropic impact?? Brrr smile.gifThis is again about winter chtoli, anthropic this in sense not tropics, yes, not tropics, - 10 today was smile.gif

But about all sorts of myths about the tracks, I did not try to raise parnassus, unas are not lying on the roadswink.gif, but if a busy highway crosses the virgin steppe-there at the edge, if the route is already old, and the ruderal flora is gone, absolutely the same smaoe as everywhere. So if there is any influence, it is during the period when the ruderal flora colonizes the disturbed area along the highway.

20.12.2012 15:31, Пимполина

Tell me, a butterfly should be fed immediately after leaving the pupae? Or should I wait?

Hatched like this, but could not spread one wing wall.gif IMAG1647.jpg

20.12.2012 16:23, Entomon

The cemetery was abandoned about 20 years ago, Everything was overgrown with weeds, including sumac. I'm wondering if the plants accumulate cadaveric poison.



Whether you can or can't feed the animal with "canned food"

20.12.2012 16:49, Entomon

You can feed the next day after hatching, with a 10% solution of honey in water, unfolding the proboscis with a needle, gently holding the base of the wings.


Can I find out where you got the pupa from?

This post was edited by Entomon - 12/20/2012 16: 50

20.12.2012 17:35, Пимполина

Doll from Moscow, flew to Novosibirsk in the pocket of my grandmother ))
Do you know what kind of butterfly it is?

20.12.2012 18:57, Hierophis

Cadaverous yaddd is a myth smile.gif
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21.12.2012 2:54, Entomon

Doll from Moscow, flew to Novosibirsk in the pocket of my grandmother ))
Do you know what kind of butterfly it is?

Graphium agamemnon.

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