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03.11.2010 17:12, bora

I mean, defending the obvious means firing a cannon at sparrows. and whether there was a failure-I will not undertake to judge in this case, since there is no actual material in the article.

But what about your saying that " I am a proponent of an integrated approach, it is the only true one. you need to take into account ALL the accumulated information "
Stanislav, you always contradict yourself, and then try to get out of it.
And what kind of factual material do you need, sequences? You won't be able to use this data in this way, because you've never worked with it, but you're drawing far-reaching conclusions.

This post was edited by bora-03.11.2010 17: 15

03.11.2010 17:17, rhopalocera.com

Here you also need to understand that any level higher than the specific one (and that's a stretch) has nothing to do with reality. All these categories are made up by man for his own convenience.

Molecular science-it is not for pseudoscience of taxonomy, it is for identifying phylogenetic relationships.

I don't even know what to say. where are the bonfires on which you will burn us, heretical taxonomists, adherents of pseudoscience?

03.11.2010 17:23, rhopalocera.com

But what about your saying that " I am a proponent of an integrated approach, it is the only true one. you need to take into account ALL the accumulated information "
Stanislav, you always contradict yourself, and then try to get out of it.
And what kind of factual material do you need, sequences? You won't be able to use this data in this way, because you've never worked with it, but you're drawing far-reaching conclusions.

how does the former compare to the latter?

03.11.2010 17:28, Vlad Proklov

I don't even know what to say. where are the bonfires on which you will burn us, heretical taxonomists, adherents of pseudoscience?

And why? I am for pluralism!

03.11.2010 17:29, bora

The conversation becomes pointless.

03.11.2010 17:48, rhopalocera.com

2 kotbegemot

for all your pluralism, the label of pseudoscience has been slapped down without a doubt

2 bora

it was pointless. molecular biology studies the structure of biological molecules, not the phylogeny of organisms

03.11.2010 18:04, bora

it was pointless. molecular biology studies the structure of biological molecules, not the phylogeny of organisms

And the conversation was not about molecular biology, but about molecular phylogeny.
What is your habit of constantly twisting things?

03.11.2010 18:26, rhopalocera.com

I'm not distorting it. no one determined the subject of the conversation. and there is no such term as "molecular phylogeny". there is a term "phylogeny".

03.11.2010 18:29, bora

You're twisting again.

03.11.2010 18:32, Alexandr Zhakov

The discussion is very interesting, but very far removed from the "Catch Reports"

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03.11.2010 18:33, rhopalocera.com

You're twisting again.

let's be specific.

03.11.2010 18:37, bora

let's be specific.

there is no such term as "molecular phylogeny". there is a term "phylogeny".

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%...%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0

03.11.2010 18:42, rhopalocera.com

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%...%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0

"phylogenetics" and "phylogeny". are the terms the same or not?

03.11.2010 18:43, bora

Can you read text? There will also be molecular phylogeny.

03.11.2010 18:49, rhopalocera.com

I'm not talking about the text. I'm talking about terms. what are we even talking about?

03.11.2010 22:20, Victor Titov

what are we even talking about?

That's not the

point!!! Don't talk about WHAT, but WHERE

!!! Read the sign: "FISHING REPORTS"!!!! You don't have Bolivar on you!!!

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 03.11.2010 22: 21

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23.12.2010 5:32, Konung

Yesterday, a female cocoonworm Phyllodesma japonicum emerged from its cocoon!

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16.02.2011 23:28, Yakovlev

a few photos from a crazy 10-day trip with the Japanese in August 2009. As soon as you connect with the Japanese, you get into their rhythm and go crazy. But the places are good. So I decided to show you.
here is Altai, and the Buguzun pass between Tuva and Altai, where, according to tradition, we drink charming yamazaki whiskey from Suntory factories. On this trip, I caught a new species and genus Pandoriana pandora for Siberia.

Pictures:

Buguzun_pass.JPG — (664.64к)

Chulyshman.JPG — (703.32к)

Katun.JPG — (672.79к)

Ulagan.JPG — (583.87к)

P1010042.JPG — (673.12к)

P1010044.JPG — (683.6к)

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18.02.2011 2:16, Wild Yuri

Roma, and this pandora... not from the butterfly salute? In Ukraine, there is a company that catches various spectacular butterflies in nature and supplies them with trains and planes throughout the CIS. The most hit object they have is just pandora! I think it may be in Anadyr...

18.02.2011 2:27, Wild Yuri

Sorry, I didn't see the label. Salute of Ukrainian butterflies in Kosh-Agach district... it would be too cool.

However, I'm not withdrawing the comment. So that the next such capture, especially near large cities, to respond more carefully...

18.02.2011 6:50, Yakovlev

Pandora was collected in August 2009 in various parts of Kurai by Barkalov and myself. I caught 1 male and 2 females, but I don't know how many Barkals there are. These are the first finds of the species in Russian Siberia. Pandora is an active migrant, a powerful flyer. They are quite common in Western Kazakhstan, for example in the Azutau region (Markakol Lake). From there, it's not so far to the Russian Altai. But the real findings are the first. It wasn't there before. This photo and information managed to get into our ledger in Altai.

My emotions at the capture of pandora were quite strong... I was very stunned. This is an incredible beast for our places.

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18.02.2011 17:40, taler

Yes, pandora is a cool beast.Strong and fast.In Israel, for some reason, it is considered disappeared and protected,but there is quite a lot of it from the beginning of May to the end of June.
I haven't seen it in Altai.But I was surprised by a single find of burdock.Very shallow.

18.02.2011 23:37, Wild Yuri

Terribly torn (at the" end " of the wings) burdock caught last summer in Ust-Ner, Yakutia. The surprise was almost like arcticus...

18.02.2011 23:37, Papaver

And what surprised you?

19.02.2011 1:24, Wild Yuri

For several seasons in the Magadan region and Yakutia - the first! I've never heard of anyone else catching it.

19.02.2011 1:48, Papaver

Aaaa... In Northern Siberia, this is not uncommon in the Arctic.

19.02.2011 12:50, STIGMA

interestingly, but last season I also met a couple of burdocks in the Verkhoyansk area, I was also very surprised

20.02.2011 11:51, Yakovlev

By the way, dear colleagues - the banal admiral began to come across relatively regularly about 5 years ago in the Altai Territory. A friend calls me and says I caught an admiral today. I say - well, cool... In the morning I went to the store - I see the admiral sitting on the asphalt. And since then, they have started to get caught every year. Changes in the fauna are happening right before our eyes.

11.04.2011 17:10, Garricos

I was fishing at my dacha last night. It flew well, despite the fact that: 1) It's a little early for Siberia 2) In the garden snowdrifts knee-deep and 3) the temperature is about +6. The flight time was somewhere from 22 to 1 o'clock. To be honest, I didn't expect it myself and for the first time I saw a butterfly crawling on a snowdrift

, but it was far away on a white background-no one could dive into the grass and bushes-there was snow all around

This post was edited by Garricos - 11.04.2011 17: 14

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12.04.2011 7:11, Konung

Opening of the season in Siberia!

It's warm in the afternoon, around +15, and there's still snow in the woods, but it's already melted in the clearings. You can only move around in rubber boots, there is water everywhere... Overwintering nymphalids (N. antiopa, N. xanthomelas, P. c-album) are abundant, and A. parthenias springbirds flew out, which willingly visited odorous baits in view of the fact that sap flow in the birches had not yet begun. Although the bait, I think, will still be tastier for them )) I found a bear caterpillar in the snow (probably fuliginosa, although I have hopes for aulica). At night, A. flavicornis, C. vaccinii, X. vetusta, O. fragariae (these and the previous species only for bait), several species of Depressaridae, and 2 species of Acleris flew.

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12.04.2011 7:20, Vlad Proklov

Opening of the season in Siberia!

Is it still 2010 in Siberia?

12.04.2011 9:14, Konung

Is it still 2010 in Siberia?

oops! last year's action in Photoshop ))

12.04.2011 11:43, Garricos

In addition to my previous post:
My recent catch, day and night
picture: 10______2011.JPG

And a question to Konung - you seem to have similar views in the photo, help plz with the definition

of What is interesting, especially the larger ones that you have similar in the second photo from the bottom.

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12.04.2011 16:06, Vlad Proklov

Oops! last year's action in photoshop ))

By the way, here is a good, good article about these inscriptions:
http://www.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/sections/169/

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12.04.2011 16:50, Konung

In addition to my previous post:
And a question to Konung - you seem to have similar views in the photo, help plz with the definition of What is interesting, especially the larger ones that you have similar in the second photo from the bottom.

Yes, everything is simple here: two of the largest, similar to sticks - Xylena vetusta, next to the scoop with white dots on the wings-Eupsillia transversa, on top of a row of small brown scoops-Conistra vaccinii.

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12.04.2011 16:52, Konung

By the way, here is a good, good article about these inscriptions:

thank you, yeah ))

14.04.2011 16:13, Andrey Ponomarev

Oops! last year's action in photoshop ))

Svyatoslav and what do you prepare baits from?

14.04.2011 19:09, AGG

Svyatoslav - can I answer for you ? http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=232159&st=100#

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14.04.2011 23:15, barko

Opening of the season in Siberia! ... X. vetusta...

In Hungary, X. vetusta has become a rarity. I've only seen one in a few years. But X. exoleta is found in many places. They say about 30 years ago it was the other way around, vetusta was more common.

15.04.2011 5:13, Konung

In Hungary, X. vetusta has become a rarity. I've only seen one in a few years. But X. exoleta is found in many places. They say about 30 years ago it was the other way around, vetusta was more common.

As far as I understand, this situation is not only in Hungary. A. Matov says that it is also not often found in the European part of Russia. We are now quite common, but the exolet is much rarer and only in the south. By the way, in the neighboring Pavlodar region, on the contrary, the exolet is common, and in my opinion, the vetusta has not even been caught yet...

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