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25.04.2015 20:16, Alexandr Zhakov

 
And it is in such places that mourning birds, polychromatic birds, peacock's eye, urticaria should be found?

No, in such places there can only be a peacock's eye and a garden polychrome. smile.gif
I'll try to put a dot in your search, or an ellipsis smile.gif
Mourners and Urticaria will not live here permanently, as they need constant snow cover in winter. if it is not present, then these species can only be stray, can create temporary populations for several years and then disappear again for decades.
Polychrome plants live in our country according to food plants, but they have very large fluctuations in their number over the years (life waves) from super rare to mass and then disappear for decades (black and red) and from mass to single (garden). peacock's eye wherever there is nettle, to say that the mass can not be but is constantly present. Admiral and Burdock are very strong migrants, they migrate in large numbers every year, and all our locals are constantly replenished with migrants from the south. therefore, these species have almost no subspecies.
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Who else can I tell you about?
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25.04.2015 20:42, Kharkovbut


Mourners and Urticaria will not live here permanently, as they need constant snow cover in winter.
Where does this data come from?

That is, I agree with the thesis that we have only temporary populations (practice in the Kharkiv region suggests this), but is it really a matter of snow cover (and why)?

For example, in the North. In America, N. antiopa also lives in its southern parts (where there are even more problems with snow cover) and feels good there (I saw smile.gifit myself). But in Europe, for some reason, it is different.

25.04.2015 20:51, Wave Storm

Thank you, Djon. I wonder why they need snow cover, because its absence gives them a signal that they can fly out, come out of hibernation? Can you read about this somewhere?

I used to think about the Admiral and burdock (after reading Akimushkin's book " Animal Life. Insects. Spiders. Pets"), that they are already flying away from us. And it turns out that they also overwinter?

I am interested in Araschnia levana. Wikipedia says that in the Kherson region at least there was a population at the mouth of the Dnieper. What conditions are needed for it?

And another question about Apatura metis. Do they live in places where many willows form a closed canopy, or can they live on willows that are separated from each other at some distance? I just happen to be in places where the willows are sparse, and I haven't seen this butterfly there, so I think that maybe it needs a lot of willows at once?..

25.04.2015 21:16, Alexandr Zhakov

Where does this data come from?

That is, I agree with the thesis that we have only temporary populations (practice in the Kharkiv region suggests this), but is it really a matter of snow cover (and why)?

For example, in the North. In America, N. antiopa also lives in its southern parts (where there are even more problems with snow cover) and feels good there (I saw smile.gifit myself). But in Europe, for some reason, it is different.

I can't say for sure where the information comes from, or from discussions with colleagues or from the literature. But I do not know other reasons, if for mourning, we can say that we do not have natural birch plantations, but at the same time there are large tracts of Dnieper birch, along the sands of the Dnieper, then for mourning, only snow cover, nettles everywhere sea smile.gifin the Crimea, hives are common on yayly, where snow is 200 cm, but on the South Coast and in the steppe only flights.
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25.04.2015 21:19, Alexandr Zhakov

Probably, it is not the snow cover itself that is important, but the winter plus temperatures, when butterflies come out of diapause, and die with repeated cooling.
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25.04.2015 21:23, Alexandr Zhakov

  
I am interested in Araschnia levana. Wikipedia says that in the Kherson region at least there was a population at the mouth of the Dnieper. What conditions are needed for it?

And another question about Apatura metis. Do they live in places where many willows form a closed canopy, or can they live on willows that are separated from each other at some distance? I just happen to be in places where the willows are sparse, and I haven't seen this butterfly there, so I think that maybe it needs a lot of willows at once?..

The mottled moth goes only along the floodplain of the Dnieper River, but it is not often found, it also applies to the mestizo: in the plavnevy forests from mid-May to September, probably two generations. further 5-7 km from the Dnieper did not see and then on the rivers that flow into the Dnieper. It is confined as they say to azonal biotopes smile.gif
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25.04.2015 21:59, AGG

Can I ask you a stupid question? what is so terrible and in what ice age did it happen that the mestizo range became so disjunctive (from western Europe through the Caucasus to Primorye)? as in "kind" I believe in it, but....kormovukha is, places are, but mestizo is not frown.gifwhat do you dream, apatura mestizo?

25.04.2015 22:00, Hierophis

Wave Storm, the place is beautiful smile.gifI have seen polychromatic, urticaria, peacock eyes in similar places.
And today we already had buckets of egg yolks flying around wink.gif

A dubious idea about the snow cover, well, about warming, we have a lot of butterflies that overwinter imagos, and for some reason do not die out )) Uglokrylnitsy, peacock eyes all sorts, it's okay, let them climb out when it's already quite warm, although it's not a fact, I sometimes see the first nymphalids in February. But, for example, the same lemongrass plants at Waveshtorm, he has a lot of them there, and by the way, where they live, the warming is more interesting than our local ones, but here I saw only one lemongrass.
Well, about the hawthorns, too, why aren't they here? But there is a waveshorm there? Hawthorns generally winter as pupae smile.gif
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25.04.2015 22:16, Wave Storm

Hierophis, we have also seen yellowheads today, alfacariensis a few and 1 crocea.
Limonnits valom-well, I would say that the one valom is Pontius aedus. At least they'll be everywhere soon. A lemongrass is much smaller, and they fly only in the swamps and gullies.

Hawthorns do not overwinter as a pupa, but as a caterpillar. Today, by the way, I saw some caterpillars. In early May, they spread out to pupate. And already in the middle of May I saw butterflies.

25.04.2015 22:31, Hierophis

And exactly, I remembered, they still, caterpillars, like wintering kubla weave.
And the Pontians have been flying almost since February)
Hawthorn need here urgently! Hawthorn without hawthorns vsearvno that the sea-without water smile.gif

What about the plants? We already have the Bush's bird beds blooming! The pigeons haven't been seen yet..

25.04.2015 22:38, Wave Storm

25.04.2015 22:52, Hierophis

What do you mean, show me a photo?

Here:



Well, the pictures are cool, you can't say anything, but I meant- "here they would be" in the physical sense, toset, so that we also have them, the pictures are oknechno good, but I want them to live with us smile.gif

After all, I remember that even in school time, even in the second half of the 90s, it seemed to be full of hawthorns, and then once - and they were gone.. Same thing with the unpaired silkworm. It is still there, but it is so rare that there is no mourning there.. And before the masonry was on each wall, and krasotelov odorous under each stone three pieces sat))

25.04.2015 22:55, vasiliy-feoktistov

God save you from this infection frown.gifA real scourge for all living things lol.gif
Eats everything, not just hawthorn (((And other butterflies on its background, sometimes unnoticed at all...
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25.04.2015 23:02, Wave Storm

25.04.2015 23:06, Wave Storm

vasiliy-feoktistov, and we somehow do not observe it either in gardens or in dachas. It is in the beams.

25.04.2015 23:08, Hierophis

I have not seen any unpaired silkworm clutches in N. Kakhovka and Balki. But where I met them, and many of them, was in the forest along the Tsyurupinsky Bridge. There is an artificial poplar forest on the sands, there are also aspens and willows.


Well, if I remember correctly, we also saw these masonry structures in the Oleshkovsky psekas, and I often saw them there. But a lot is when the trees are covered with them just so that it seems that they, the trees, are wrapped in glass wool smile.gif

And the hawthorn butterfly is very beautiful, so it can not be enough smile.gifAnd it does not fly all year round, in any case, hawthorns are needed)

25.04.2015 23:25, vasiliy-feoktistov

vasiliy-feoktistov, and we somehow do not observe it either in gardens or in dachas. It is in the beams.

So it hasn't reached smile.gifus yet everywhere....

12.05.2015 1:40, Kitty-13

Dear entomologists, Someone, reveal the secret of the endromis habitat in the Yarosladsky direction of the Moscow region mol.gifThree years of searching through local groves in vain. I really want to finally find the elusive female frown.gif

12.05.2015 9:02, swerig

Dear entomologists, Someone, reveal the secret of the endromis habitat in the Yarosladsky direction of the Moscow region mol.gifThree years of searching through local groves in vain. I really want to finally find the elusive female frown.gif

And they don't fly to the light?
In my opinion, they are everywhere where there are birches. We flew this year from April 17, the last one I saw on the screen on May 2. Females, of course, fly to the screen several times less, but they still happen.

12.05.2015 10:43, Kitty-13

And they don't fly to the light?
In my opinion, they are everywhere where there are birches. We flew this year from April 17, the last one I saw on the screen on May 2. Females, of course, fly to the screen several times less, but they still happen.


No, only males arrived, and only in the country. Put in the grove-one May bug wall.gif

12.05.2015 10:51, Alexander73

No, only males arrived, and only in the country. Put in the grove-one May bug wall.gif


Don't despair! Females fly to the light, much less often than males, but they fly. This year, on the night from April 30 to May 1, 4 males and one female arrived (Domodedovo district). I do not think that the Paveletsky direction is in any way superior to Yaroslavl and others. Good luck!

12.05.2015 13:53, swerig

No, only males arrived, and only in the country.

Wait and wait and wait. (in the summer season). And you will be happy

12.05.2015 16:12, Dantist

How many years I have been fishing, but I have never met a mourner either in the steppe zone in Yenakiyevo or in the forest park zone of Kharkiv. frown.gif

21.03.2015 in Zhytomyr region, Korostensky district, a colleague caught a mourner. Wintered, hardly at the end of March stray. If possible,we can go there in July and look for them.

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15.05.2015 15:44, Бабистр

Good afternoon! Tell me, has anyone caught a pavonia this year? The reports are silent, their attempts were also unsuccessful... frown.gif

19.05.2015 16:19, usya04

21.03.2015 in Zhytomyr region, Korostensky district, a colleague caught a mourner. Wintered, hardly at the end of March stray. If possible,we can go there in July and look for them.


I don't know how it is now, but they used to fly on the Spartacus.

03.07.2015 14:51, vafdog

How and where, and when is it better to look for the fan - winged Alucitidae??
They never got caught at all, never flew into the light...

03.07.2015 15:26, okoem

How and where, and when is it better to look for the fan - winged Alucitidae??
They never got caught at all, never flew into the light...

Fan-wings belong to the group of butterflies that do not fly well or do not fly at all to the light. You need to look for fan wings in the evening or at dusk (if the weather is overcast, they can fly during the day). That is, come to their intended habitats in the evening and observe what is flying. In flight, they resemble small moths. But, be patient and persevere - most likely, it will not be easy to find them.
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03.07.2015 15:58, barko

Fan wings come in the light of a UV lamp. 7. V. 2015 Hungary
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03.07.2015 16:40, vafdog

Fan-wings belong to the group of butterflies that do not fly well or do not fly at all to the light. You need to look for fan wings in the evening or at dusk (if the weather is overcast, they can fly during the day). That is, come to their intended habitats in the evening and observe what is flying. In flight, they resemble small moths. But, be patient and persevere - most likely, it will not be easy to find them.

Thank you.
So you can expect to find them in any biotopes?

03.07.2015 18:18, okoem

So you can expect to find them in any biotopes?

You need to know what species live in your area or theoretically can live. And what biotopes (+forage plants) they inhabit. Represent the dates of their release. And purposefully go looking in the right places at the right time.
You can, of course, look for them and just hoping for luck, but then the chances are low.
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08.07.2015 23:39, Nick444444

The question arose: Is it really possible to find Lymantria monacha and Sphinx pinastri in a pine forest (near the village of Vasishcheva, Kharkiv region) during the day? And in what quantity (without headboards)?
Thank you in advance?

08.07.2015 23:49, Nick444444

Please tell us more about the mourning women. smile.gif

I still haven't told you where we have mourning girls smile.gif
I read somewhere that mourning women prefer large rivers, and that the Seversky Donets has a population, but where is unknown confused.gif. Search for wink.gif.

09.07.2015 10:34, Гена

The question arose: Is it really possible to find Lymantria monacha and Sphinx pinastri in a pine forest (near the village of Vasishcheva, Kharkiv region) during the day? And in what quantity (without headboards)?
Thank you in advance?


I have it right near my house (Slavuta, Khmelnitsky region). pine forest, we often walk there as a family, just yesterday I found a female nun on the path, but she was most likely scared out of a tree by a strong wind, last year I saw a male once-he was sitting on a tree, and flew away when trying to approach. I have never met a pine tree during the day, both of these species are quite common in the surrounding area.
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09.07.2015 11:00, Alexandr Zhakov

How and where, and when is it better to look for the fan - winged Alucitidae??
They never got caught at all, never flew into the light...

I was repeatedly flown to the light, at different points, and not in single copies. True one species of Alucita grammodactyla.
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09.07.2015 13:32, barko

Once again, the fanwing was trapped.

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10.07.2015 18:35, Nick444444

The question arose: Is it really possible to find Lymantria monacha and Sphinx pinastri in a pine forest (near the village of Vasishcheva, Kharkiv region) during the day? And in what quantity (without headboards)?
Thank you in advance?

I wonder if anyone else has any advice on this? smile.gif

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10.07.2015 20:48, Hierophis

The simplest advice is to go looking))) I recently found marble crushers and giant ant lions in a pine forest, if you walk a lot and for a long time you will find everything)
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12.07.2015 15:52, Alexander73

Good day to all! Who can tell you if Lymantria dispar females are born?

12.07.2015 16:05, Vlad Proklov

Good day to all! Who can tell you if Lymantria dispar females are born?

Flying.
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12.07.2015 16:06, Igar

Good day to all! Who can tell you if Lymantria dispar females are born?

They're flying. Last season I had more females than males.
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