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Tyomochkin, 10.05.2006 6:12

Can you tell me places where you can catch wine hawkmoth in Moscow and in neighboring citiesmol.gif? They don't fly everywhere. Besides, I don't mind learning some favorite place of any kind.

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16.05.2006 20:02, Dracus

A similar question for mnemosyne shuffle.gif(and, if possible, the timing of its summer in specific places, and then I'm afraid - is it too late?)

16.05.2006 20:19, Pavel Morozov

to Tyomochin: the wine hawk moth can be caught in almost any landscape where there is ivan tea. The best way is to find caterpillars on a forage plant in the second half of summer, be patient, finish feeding them and bring them out, even in winter.
If you catch-then from the middle of June on mixed grass meadows, vacant lots, somewhere in the country (if any) in a flower garden with such fragrant plants as matiola, petunia, sweet tobacco. Personally, I caught it near a wounded oak tree with fermenting juice leaking out. You can use the bait-braga, etc.

to Dracus: mnemosyne in the Moscow region flies reliably in the Prioksko-Terrasny Nature Reserve and its immediate surroundings. You can't catch anyone on the territory of the reserve without a proper permit, but you can do it outside. If you have a topographic map of the Moscow Region, then look for the Simferopol Highway (which runs between Serpukhov and the reserve) and the Sushka River crossing it in the reserve area. That's where mnemosyne flies. Their density there is low compared to the reserve, but you can make a series for yourself. It has been flying since the end of May.
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17.05.2006 16:13, Helene

if possible, the timing of its summer in specific places, and then I'm afraid-is it too late?)

This year, the hell is going on with the phenophases. One is late, the other is not. Actually, we have a May mnemosyne, so it's better to go - if you get out on time, you can be late.
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18.05.2006 18:00, RippeR

In our country, mnemosyne usually starts to fly slowly from about the first of May. This year, on the 9th, when they are supposed to fly in full, there was still no such thing.. But now it should already be

19.05.2006 11:53, Helene

In our country, mnemosyne usually starts to fly slowly from about the first of May. This year, on the 9th, when they are supposed to fly in full, there was still no such thing.. But they should be here by now

Surprisingly, the timing of summer differs so little... And when do you have a crested plant growing?

19.05.2006 19:39, guest: a

to Dracus
Just don't catch the series please. At this point, there is only one squalid clearing and 10 mnemosyne flies on it every year (well, there may be 5 butterflies on the neighboring one).

20.05.2006 9:23, Pavel Morozov

to Dracus
Just don't catch the series please. At this point, there is only one squalid clearing and 10 mnemosyne flies on it every year (well, there may be 5 butterflies on the neighboring one).


From year to year, mnemosyne is caught at such points. And somehow there they still continue to live-live and reproduce.

20.05.2006 12:59, Dracus

20.05.2006 15:39, guest: Антон

Here, in the Caucasus, mnemosyne flies in May-June, when there are no more crested birds. And in the highlands in July.
By the way, if someone can collect eggs (any subspecies), I would buy or exchange them. Generally. We are interested in eggs of any Parnassius species/subspecies, except P. apollo democratus. You need 200-300 eggs. The same applies to overwintering eggs of Lycaenidae and Saturniidae. In exchange, there are both animals and dry land.
Yours sincerely,
Антон.ruscolanicus@mail.ru

20.05.2006 20:50, andr_mih

to Morozzz
It's good that they continue somehow there. But in order for the population to die out, you don't need to catch all of it. It is enough for the population to fall to a certain critical point (relatively speaking, 100 copies).: I have been at my home regularly for several years. For many years I have been catching our six-legged friends (red cockroaches, that is) with a trap to feed mantises, greenhouses and other grasshoppers, etc.So, for the last 2 years, all my cockroaches have white eyes. Recently, I noticed that there are already short-whiskered individuals with elytra curled up in a ram's horn (mutations known to geneticists). Draw your own conclusions.
So if someone needs a lot of mnemosyne-welcome to Tambov region. There, in the floodplain of the Ilovai River, they are up to ... well, in general, a lot:)
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20.05.2006 21:25, Tyomochkin

And specifically, you can place. I used to live there. I know the area well.
And if it's not a secret - do you live there?

This post was edited by Tyomochin - 05/21/2006 09: 23

21.05.2006 15:13, Pavel Morozov

to andr_mih: isn't Parnassius apollo there?

21.05.2006 20:55, andr_mih

The place is not far from the pond. I live in the Podolsk district, but I also go there sometimes. Apollo isn't there, and there doesn't seem to be much of a clean-up either. Crested flowers grow everywhere. Personally, I've only seen Parnassius apollo in the Caucasus.

21.05.2006 21:52, Tyomochkin

Do you have any photos of good quality (in the sense of photos of mnemosyne)?!. mol.gif

22.05.2006 17:37, Helene

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Mnemosyncs are Italian, though... But the good smile.gifones are
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22.05.2006 21:01, Pavel Morozov

to Tyomochin: Do you want me to post photos of Mnemosyne from Podserpukhov?

23.05.2006 8:25, Nilson

And no one has photos of Mnemosyne's sphragis?

23.05.2006 16:00, DHL

I have photos of mnemosyne with sphargis, only of our subspecies, P. m. estonicus.
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23.05.2006 16:34, Tyomochkin

to Morozzz: I don't mind

24.05.2006 18:57, Pavel Morozov

I've been asking for a long time: None of the forum participants knows where Parnassius apollo is closer to Moscow than the Vladimir region? (if it's not a secret)
I have repeatedly heard about the Kaluga region, the vicinity of Kozelsk. Something, they say, and in the Ryazan region is.
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25.05.2006 12:05, Helene

Mlin, of course, wanted to quote, not thank... Although how to say: maybe not in vain thanked... For raising the topic, as with the stag beetle smile.gif
Spharischen so: Coordinates apolloniyih points post on Forum truth that not need to. Not a secret from each other, but from the guests who appear here, but do not post (the forum has already risen quite a bit - I have a suspicion that merchants have already begun to take an interest). And lowland apollo populations are one of the few things that it's really not safe to show them.
However, Kozelskaya tochka is the secret of polichinelle. But I won't publish it here either. Moreover, it is difficult to explain in words (it is better to meet in real life and discuss it with the scheme in your hands).

At the same time, it makes sense to do a little cryptozoology. As well as about cervus, there are oral reports about Apollo in the Moscow region. Interestingly, they all belong to the Yegoryevsky district, or rather to a certain area in this area - where there are many xerophytic communities with scum. Maybe the population is sitting somewhere? In principle, females sometimes fly quite far away - maybe people have seen such crazy females ...
You can talk about the details separately.

Yes, once again: if there is or will be some info on Apollo - do not hang on the forum. We will communicate in private (for example, we will assign someone to the thread "responsible for apollo" - and through itsmile.gif)
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25.05.2006 12:55, SVV

You can assign me to be responsible for the cervus, the ATO for the entire existence of my page on "Coleopterologists" I only received one letter. Here, at least more people view the topic and share their thoughts.
By the way, I hope you didn't take me for a merchant?

This post was edited by SVV-25.05.2006 12: 55

25.05.2006 13:25, Helene

By the way, I hope you didn't take me for a merchant?

Why would that be? wink.gif
And with Cervus, "whatever happens" was probably a joke. smile.gif At least I don't see any scientific reason to keep it secret.

Although, although... If we are talking about a specific faunal find (the same cervus in the Moscow region), then there is a reason to keep it secret, because it draws on publication. Well, you just need to take care of your beloved (see the topic about liars and scoundrels wink.gif)

This post was edited by Helene - 05/25/2006 13: 30

25.05.2006 13:39, SVV

Well, the publication, perhaps, you can write about " Clarification to the area...", or something like thatwink.gif, I suggest jointly navayat forces forumchan smile.gif
Five more messages backed up with copies and the article is ready smile.gif

This post was edited by SVV-25.05.2006 13: 40

25.05.2006 13:51, Nilson

Helene [Spharischen so: Coordinates apolloniyih points post on Forum truth that not need to.]

Really! You should not tell us about such points. In a private conversation, pliz. Especially about appolons - the product is quoted, and there are really quite a lot of commercial offices. Many times more than I imagined, say, a month ago.

25.05.2006 14:36, Bad Den

for example, let's assign someone-thread "responsible for apollo" - and through it smile.gif)

I suggest you, Helene, and appoint as such (or such confused.gif) smile.gif

This post was edited by Bad Den - 05/25/2006 14: 38

25.05.2006 14:46, Helene

I suggest you, Helene, and appoint as such (or such confused.gif) smile.gif

Yes I don't mind smile.gif
And why such a failure of gender identification? wink.gif

25.05.2006 14:53, Bad Den

Yes I don't mind smile.gif
And why such a failure of gender identification? wink.gif

Well, plumb is kind of like him. And Helene - so that's her. There is no glass to understand, so there are doubts smile.gif

25.05.2006 16:27, Pavel Morozov

About Yegoryevsky district for a long time there are suspicions. Some sort of White-mash or something. Moreover, the forests there burned well. I accept Helene's offer with understanding.
I raise both hands to make Helene responsible for Apollo! beer.gif

25.05.2006 16:39, Dracus

"That's what they decided..."
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25.05.2006 16:41, Pavel Morozov

And what a flight Apollo has.
Эх!

02.06.2006 23:47, taler

Absolutely agree with Helene!There is no need to advertise "fish" places umnik.gifPersonally, I always try to get away from such a topic.People are different.Especially when it comes to endangered species.I call for humanism!!!

04.06.2006 17:51, Pavel Morozov

By the way, about mnemosyne.
Summer in the Moscow region in full swing began.
This weekend caught.

06.06.2006 12:38, lepidopterolog

I also went to the P. mnemosyne summer point near the PTZ on Sunday. They fly in a fairly large number (I met 12 individuals in an hour), all fresh, apparently, flew out recently.

26.06.2006 11:13, Solarway

Friends, this weekend I was fishing in Solnechnogorsk district in a meadow near the forest, the area is somewhere 100m*100m, a lot of pigeons, haylofts, thick-headed birds, etc. But I didn't meet any more or less large butterflies: 2 times saw urticaria, but because of the breakdown of the net could not catch, did not see the peacock's eye, burdock, etc. Maybe not caught there, in the wrong r-not, maybe you need to look along the banks of rivers? Tell me, experienced? You can answer in PM, because I see there is a threat from commercial offices.

26.06.2006 13:29, RippeR

In my opinion, it's still too early for peacock evil eyes, burdocks.. Naskolko I remember, at us they, together with admirals will take off in the beginning-the middle of July. Although I recently caught an odd admiral, I never saw him again. On the roads in the middle of clearings, near the forest, a lot of latonia and angloptera fly, especially if there is mud there.

26.06.2006 14:14, Solarway

2RippeR
So I was fishing, basically, in that place, just not in the season yet? wink.gif I had such an idea, I did.

26.06.2006 18:47, DHL

This year I caught our second subspecies, P. m. estonica. 17.06 years old was quite active, almost all females with sphragis. Small report here....

26.06.2006 19:42, sealor

RippeR, you mean early? Many inahis stay from spring to the end of June, I've seen 240606 inahis, but it looks like it was already new. The same goes for thistles, we had them and have them all year round, another thing is that there are very few of them this year, which cannot be said about inachis. Now thistles, inachis and other nymphalids, as well as satyrs, which are at least a little floral, mostly spin on the flowers of bruise and lip-flowers with thistles.

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