Places and times of butterfly flying

All the nymphalids that have already flown away from us since last year, as they should be. And the new generation has not yet appeared. The admiral that I caught was brand new, if it was last year's, then it was all battered.

People!!!Tell me what you can catch in August in the Middle Urals.Diurnal butterfly species,as well as their biotopes, are of interest.Please skip the Latin names.And then I absolutely do not have any material on this topic

Swallowtails flew out: the day before yesterday I caught one at the dacha. It is rather strange - there the second generation is usually observed no earlier than mid-August, and this one, in addition, was still very flyby. In the PTZ and in Moscow have not yet been observed, but, apparently, due to bad weather. So keep that in mind, colleagues.

Strange. And I always came across them in the Moscow region from the middle of July.

Hello!
I have been searching for Apollo on Latvian territory for several years now. The last instances were found here 100 years ago. I must say that someone does not deal with this issue very much, and this leaves the theoretical possibility of the existence of undiscovered
populations in some saline glades. The main thing that bothers me is a few oral accounts of eyewitnesses, which sound quite reliable.Moreover, when examining the places indicated by them, I even found several bundles of S. telephum nearby.
And so, in search of auxiliary information, I wandered into this forum.
I will be very attentive if you send me some questions about the real observations of the Russian Apollo. Here are a few questions::
1) How far from the breeding ground can adult butterflies fly?
2) What area is usually occupied by such glades with Apollo?
3) What does a stable population look like in nature?(visually - how many butterflies are in the clearing; how many individuals are needed for a stable population?)
4) What quantity of S. telephum is usually found in population areas? (is it enough for several bunches, or should the entire clearing be evenly filled?)
5) In the literature there is a mention of S. acre. How realistic is this combination, and have you ever used such biotopes with acre and apollo?

to K_M
I will tell you about the P. apollo station on the example of the Vladimir region. The local station consists of extensive pine forests with S. album, which, although it does not cover the soil evenly, sticks out in places along the edge of the forest, where the grass is lower, etc.
Butterflies stick to their stations and do not fly far away. The station can occupy no more than one hectare. Moreover, in the nearest places with suitable conditions and a forage plant, there may not be a butterfly.
For a stable population, of course, you need a lot of individuals. As is known, the butterfly was reintroduced in the Prioksko-Terrasny nature reserve. The population took root, but gradually died out.
In the conditions of the Vladimir region, in the worst years, you can observe up to a dozen butterflies in the field of view, in the best - up to fifty.

Maybe not quite in the subject, since we are talking, apparently, about lowland populations...
In Kabardino-Balkaria, this year I met appolons locally somewhere at an altitude of over 2000 m in alpika. The territory, according to my observations, is really small - no more than 1 ha. There are usually about three or four butterflies in the field of view.

Thanks for the info! I'll keep that in mind.
Looking for Apollo in Latvia is certainly a delusional idea, but it's just somehow strange that there are points scattered around this region in the area and there are no points in the center. Somehow illogical. There must be some non-visible populations.

Such a survey - a friend caught a fathead morpheus, then what about the egg-shaped circles on the underside of the lower wings, in the Moscow region, how rare and interesting is it, what are the areas?

Such a survey - a friend caught a fathead morpheus, then what about the egg-shaped circles on the underside of the lower wings, in the Moscow region, how rare and interesting is it, what are the areas?

In general, it is listed in the Red Book of the Moscow region, occurs locally, but where there is-there is quite common. In principle, it is not a problem to meet it in June-the month of wet meadows in the forest zone. In the south of the Moscow region, in the forest-steppe, it is already less frequent.

The thick-headed Heteropterus morpheus is quite common in the Moscow region, but its summer season is shorter than that of other thick-headed birds. It is found from the end of June to the end of July in meadows, swamps. This season I have several times observed clusters of this species in an oligotrophic swamp on wet sphagnum and peat, among other thick-headed birds and pigeons.

Comrades! Can you tell me the approximate dates of the summer of aglia tau in the MO this year, as well as places where its available catch is possible (in very moderate quantities, of course? And another question: is it possible to find females during the day?

April - May, but I think if it goes on like this, you can look at the end of this March. Serpukhov district most of all, Ramenskiy district, once found a male wing in Kuzminsky Park, a little deeper if you go into it.

What about specific points in Ramenskoye district? Still, there are a lot of forests there. And another question: what are her favorite biotopes?

A few years ago, I found a wing on a dirt road in a dacha cooperative near the village. Aksenovo (Ramenskiy district). I didn't see him again. The most" favorite " biotopes of this species are birch trees, which fly to the MO in April-May.

From the north. On both sides of the Kazanskaya railway (the segment between the 41st km platf. and Donino), a power transmission line runs at a distance of about 0.5-1.0 km. I saw males there. In general, the view in the area where only not found. There are very dense populations in the Serpukhov district in the vicinity of the village. Luzhki, and in the vicinity of platf. Skorotovo of the Zvenigorod branch of the Belorusskaya railway, and in other places. Only the females need to be looked out for, and the males have to run around.

Please tell me who knows if tau is found in the Kiev region, and if so, tell me in what places and when.
Thank you in advance

Maxim, write to aurelian@inbox.ru

for K_M
Penza. Normal Apollos do not fly further than their own clearing, but prodigal ones can also be found 10 km away (exceptions) In our region, meet on the railway, a glade of 20 kilometers...where the beginning is, where the end is-it is not clear. There are 2 - 3 butterflies in the field of view. Ochitok is evenly scattered across the clearing. Here is the case of the caustic cleaner that interests me most...

We have the most mnemosyne region and still polyxene...

Dear forumchane! Does anyone know the exact habitat of Oeneis jutta in the Batkovsky swamp near Moscow? The same question about polyxene in Solotcha, Ryazan region

according to O. jutta, I think Helene will tell you. only it has not appeared on the forum for a long time.
About Aglia tau: In the Moscow region, it is found almost everywhere in greater or lesser numbers, where there is a mixed forest.
Terms of summer - from the beginning of flowering of the forest rank (a plant of the legume family with purple and blue flowers). I saw a male today.

I wrote to Helene, but I still haven't received an answer. Does anyone know about polyxene?

I wrote to Helene, but I still haven't received an answer. Does anyone know about polyxene?

70 km east will suit? A goal?

I wrote to Helene, but I still haven't received an answer. Does anyone know about polyxene?

Isn't it a little late for Tau?" This year there was no time to do anything, but in previous years, the beginning of summer in the near Moscow region (Zheleznodorozhny) coincided with the opening of leaves on a lime tree in the forest. Although, of course, the whole year some curve in the weather...

Summer tau in the Moscow region is quite stretched. And in the first days of May already comes across, and in June-you look - another male will flash, or a female will appear in the light.

70 km east will suit? A goal?

Oh, but don't share?

I wouldn't mind either... well, the goal is to catch a couple for the collection.

Oh, but don't share?

vicgrr Sent yesterday, 22: 50
I wouldn't mind either... well, the goal is to catch a couple for the collection.
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People, let's knock it out... There you can do it in a day, because there are no obstacles for fishing. I caught three of them and stopped with difficulty, and in general, this year it's already late - the summer started last week (see "Fishing Reports"), the weather is hot, and butterflies are getting frayed every day... Another thing is that the station found there is probably not the only one. In this case, it is easier to find others collectively, but then the area must be specified with an accuracy of 10 km. It is difficult to get there without a car, 250 km from Moscow + "roads" in the Oka floodplain.

  
People, let's knock it out... There you can do it in a day, because there are no obstacles for fishing.

To mikee: And you, Mikee, plan to collect caterpillars of the Ryazan polyxena for breeding ?

To mikee: And you, Mikee, plan to collect caterpillars of the Ryazan polyxena for breeding ?

No. I only go there on weekends, and not every weekend, and I'm not going to grow kirkazon in Moscow

vicgrr Sent yesterday, 22: 50
I wouldn't mind either... well, the goal is to catch a couple for the collection.
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People, let's knock it out... There you can do it in a day, because there are no obstacles for fishing. I caught three of them and stopped with difficulty, and in general, this year it's already late - the summer started last week (see "Fishing Reports"), the weather is hot, and butterflies are getting frayed every day... Another thing is that the station found there is probably not the only one. In this case, it is easier to find others collectively, but then the area must be specified with an accuracy of 10 km. It is difficult to get there without a car, 250 km from Moscow + "roads" in the Oka floodplain.

It has long been known that entomological collections do not cause much harm to the population. After all, experiments have been repeatedly conducted in Europe. More than one person goes to the Red Lighthouse for Apollo every year, and the caterpillars are also collected. Nothing - they fly. The same goes for mnemosyne in the PTZ: There are glades where butterflies almost fly everywhere.

It has long been known that entomological collections do not cause much harm to the population. After all, experiments have been repeatedly conducted in Europe. More than one person goes to the Red Lighthouse for Apollo every year, and the caterpillars are also collected. Nothing - they fly. The same goes for mnemosyne in the PTZ: There are glades where butterflies almost always fly.

This very "long known" thing is ambiguously perceived even on this forum (see Bioethics in Entomology). In particular,in this case we are talking about a local small population. In justification, I give an exact description of the station: in the immediate vicinity of the Oka River on the flood meadow there is a riverbed rampart with a total length of less than 500 m, but with breaks, separated from the river by a strip of bushes. There is a system of water - filled lakes between the rampart and the coastal forest. All this is annually flooded during the spring flood. I can't say for sure whether the shaft itself is flooded or not, because driving there in high water is simply impossible, and you can't see it from a distance. Along the crest of the rampart is a strip of woody and shrubby vegetation: wild rose, willow, aspen, individual oaks, sometimes even pine. Everything else is a typical water meadow. Kirkazon grows in shaded areas under the crowns of trees, local spots. The caterpillars of polyxena, as they should be, are on kirkazon. At the same time, it was possible to find no more than 5-6 pieces, no more than one on one plant of kirkazon. In the heat, they hide on the underside of the leaf. This year for the first time caught years of imago. In total, I saw no more than 20 pieces, taking into account possible repetitions. Butterflies are not at all inclined to move outside the growing areas of kirkazon, i.e. they fly locally around this place. You can see them perfectly, right from the car, because everything is open. You do not need to run after them, because they do not fly far and often land. All this beauty is saved only by the fact that the place for fishing is not very successful and the arrival is only from one side through the floodplain meadows between the lakes. In wet weather, an SUV is highly desirable. Cattle are not grazed, sometimes hay is mowed, but not on the rampart, but in the meadow. They collect meadow strawberries. All this is not affected by kirkazon. But this year I found a local fall, either the fire was not extinguished, or something else. Total: there is simply nowhere for butterflies to escape and move to. I could catch all the specimens I saw in the 2 hours I was there. Caterpillars and pupae can sometimes die from fallen grass. Question: can such a population be destroyed by fishing? IMHO, easy
By external signs, other stations may exist along the coastal forest (from the Oka River beyond the water meadow and lakes). But all hands, or rather, wheels, do not reach there In the village itself there is a plot with kirkazon, but I haven't met polixenu yet...
PS. I'll be in the area this weekend. I leave tonight or early in the morning, I can't take anyone on board, because we just can't cross paths (I live in the Moscow region). If someone has the desire and opportunity to come, call mob. 762.18.56. Tomorrow-at 8-909-664. 96. 18. You need to go to the village. Gus-Zhelezny on the Yegoryevsky highway.
Sincerely, Mikhail.

Mikhail, have you seen any polyxene populations in the Moscow region? Have you seen podaliriy? Just in case, write in PM. I'd really appreciate it. Information is needed not for fishing, but for compiling the Red Book of the Moscow region. I deal with beetles myself.

Why is everyone so drawn to the already known places to catch? Is it too weak to search for new populations?

I personally have a hard time going to places where you don't know what you're going to find.

Not brands, tea, we collect...

Why is everyone so drawn to the already known places to catch? Is it too weak to search for new populations?

I personally have a hard time going to places where you don't know what you're going to find.

Not brands, tea, we collect...

I totally agree. After all, due to the fact that someone always goes to a single place to be sure, you know, and there is an opinion that some kind of species in the territory of some region flies on some one clearing for two things per season. And no one knows that for a kilometer from this "wonderful glade" rare flying herds. A perfect example is the well-worn Red Lighthouse.

That's what surprises me. Unfortunately, for many colleagues, the fact of having a certain view in the box prevails over the desire to search in a new place. Everyone asks where? and they go there. And the fact that around the desired point on the map of the region is full of no less productive white spots, no one often suspects.

Morozz, Omar, Kotbegemot, I personally agree with you. For me, the search process itself is more interesting. It is desirable, of course, that the result is achieved Only, but, unfortunately, there are various obstacles on this right path.. For 200-300 km, not everyone can go for a variety of reasons. Both material and vital. Moreover, fans usually have only two days off for this, and the spaces of our country are huge and diverse. At the same time, we, amateurs and professionals, are far from being as numerous as in Western Europe, for example. So it turns out that the finds, most often, are either random (I think that someone just went to Krasny Mayak for mushrooms at the time of the Apollo summer), or the result of a good knowledge of a particular area (around their dacha, for example). A purposeful search for habitats of some rare species requires professional and, often, many years of work. Therefore, please do not judge strictly those who just want to see (and catch with their own hands) how Polyxena-Apollo-Mnemosyne flies. Moreover, it becomes more difficult every year. You see, then the person himself will be able to find a new place, since the description is one thing, but to see for himself how and where the kirkazon-crested stonecrop grows, другое.
РЅ. Of all those who expressed a desire to learn the habitat of the Ryazan polyxena, only Vicgrr came. Fishing report-tomorrow.

I saw how the stonecrop grows in the Meadows near the PTZ. And Apollo hasn't been there for 35 years.
It's a shame.

I saw how the stonecrop grows in the Meadows near the PTZ. And Apollo hasn't been there for 35 years.
It's a shame.

And I ran over the weekend in the glade, where last year I caught submarines, I thought I would find caterpillars. So even the cleaning agent was hardly found in the minimum amount, and it still barely gets out, since everything is already burned to the crunch. But, at the polyxene station, kirkazon grew from sprouts to almost full size in a week and bloomed. But Polyxena was still flying.

This post was edited by mikee-05/28/2007 21: 11

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